Jim Schwartz-Jim Harbaugh Incident: Breaking It Down Zapruder Film Style
by David Fucillo on Oct 17, 2011 6:00 AM PDT
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PrintLast night on Twitter I said that I was just about over the whole Jim Schwartz-Jim Harbaugh post-game confrontation. Before we put a bow on it though, I wanted to take one last look at it and sort of break down the film. Due to the movements of everybody involved, pictures are not particularly useful in determining what was said. I'd simply recommend checking out NFL.com's video of the incident as you read along.
After the game, Jim Schwartz said he was cursed at and shoved and that is what set him off. Accordingly, I took a look at the video right around the handshake. Just before the handshake, Harbaugh pulls his shirt out from his pants. This is something he has done every week as a way of saying the work is now done. There was some mention of Blake Costanzo motioning for him to do it a couple weeks ago, I believe against the Eagles.
He pulls the shirt out from the pants and looks close to chest-bump Alex Boone and then hops over to shake hands with Schwartz. Right before he shakes Schwartz's hand he appears to yell something. I ran that back in slow motion and as best I can tell, all he says is "Yeeeeaaaaa!!!!" You would be able to tell if he had said F--- Yeeeaaaa!!! or any other two syllable curse. I just didn't see it. I did see Jim Schwartz drop an f-bomb, but that's the only swearing I heard before they moved closer to the tunnel.
At the end of the day, this really should be something everyone can get past and move ahead to the coming games. Coach Harbaugh acknowledged that he was too revved up and shook his hand too hard. He compared it to his handshakes with Blake Costanzo, and maybe Coach just sort of blacked out for a minute thinking it was another 49ers player.
Jim Schwartz's own reaction was also over the top as he tried to chase down Harbaugh and get in his face to mix it up. Thankfully 49ers PR guru Bob Lange got in between them and then got some help from officials and players. The best part of this was that the players managed to not take swings at each other. Although, it's possible they viewed it as comically as Anthony Davis appears to in this picture.
Although this is something that could join Crown Them! and Playoffs?! in the pantheon of future beer commercials, I really don't think it should be too huge a deal moving forward. I would argue the two coaches appear to have somewhat similar personalities on the field. Maybe they are not identical, but the fiery emotion is there for both of them.
I do think there is a certain amount of professionalism and decorum that should be shown, but I also think sports is as much about emotions as anything else. You have to be able to control your emotions (see Singletary, Mike), but letting it out after a tough win is not the end of the world.
Naturally this has some folks talking a bit of smack about Harbaugh, but in reality I think that too is overblown. It may rub other coaches the wrong way, but this game isn't about making friends. There are certain ways to handle yourself, but I also think if a rookie coach gets crapped on because of things like this, people need to loosen up.
Of course, if the 49ers and Lions were to meet in the playoffs, the storylines would be set. It would take Week 1's "What's Your Deal?!" Bowl to an unheard of level. Wall-to-wall Harbaugh/Schwartz coverage!
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It's all BS
and doesn’t make that victory any less sweet!
How cool is it to have a coach that brings this kind of fire
without the caveman’s perspective. I hope there is a second act in the playoffs. This incident, while irresponsible and juvenile, is ultimately good for the game. The NFL has for too long been without this kind of personal rivalry. He did it in college, and now he is rubbing the opposition the wrong way in the pros. The team must absolutely love him, and the way they have reacted to his guidance and teaching is reminiscent of another era of 49ers football and another coach who came to us from Stanford.
Come on, Alex, please be good this year..
Follow @JesseReed78
I think it was Tom Jackson who said
That coach lost a bit if credibility when asking players to control their emotions when on the field as he couldn’t control his afterwards. Tom Jackson says some ridiculous things at times but he may have a small point.
In the end, this whole ordeal is a whole lot about nothing, but I do hope that this was a one time deal for coach. After the fine he might get, I’m thinking yes.
by Mityt on Oct 17, 2011 6:29 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I disagree
First of all, unless the fine is $100K it will hardly dent his bank account.
Secondly, the troops love the guy to death. If anything this will cement the bond even more. Would it be better if it had never happened? Definitely. But I just don’t see Coach losing any respect or authority after this unfortunate but frankly humorous rumble.
Justin Smith is something else. 100% Effort! 100% Class!
"I was just running toward the ball," Smith said. "The guys in front of him were making him slow up a little bit. I just went for the ball and, luckily, it was there."
why does he lose credibility?
That’s Harbaugh being Harbaugh. His players know this, and the way they stepped in front of him when they headed towards the tunnel shows how much this team loves, and respects him.
This is nothing new to his players, and I’m sure Harbaugh gives a rats a@# about what other people outside of his team think about him. At least he isn’t Rex freaking Ryan
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
by EcERyda69 on Oct 17, 2011 7:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Tom Jackson
was talking about Schwartz… how he went after Harbaugh
Tom Jackson also mentioned...
…that when he played, coaches were not expected to shake hands after games.
I'M SICK OF THE "EXPERTS" FINDING FAULT W/NINERS
who cares what TJ has to say about this? he’s wrong. and he doesn’t know what he’s talking about because he hasn’t paid attention to what’s going on here. everyone picked this team and alex smith to finish last. they all thought detroit was going to smoke us. suh was going to sack alex into the hospital, stafford to megabomb for multiple tds, best was going to run for 120, etc etc etc. instead, our guys beat the lions into submission in the trenches, turned stafford into the “old alex,” and did everything they wanted to do, which just happened to be everything “the experts” said we couldn’t do.
does ANYONE really believe harbaugh will have a problem getting through to his players because of this? does anyone NOT believe harbaugh just gained several steps on the ladder of respect with his players because of this incident? schwartz is a pansy who got punked in the game and then got his feelings hurt after, and then acted like a crybaby bully. he’s lucky davis saved his butt because he was out of line more than harbaugh for escalating the incident.
eh, much ado about nothing. eat crow, tj. we couldn’t care less what you think.
by dallasthedog on Oct 17, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I heard TJ's pregame breakdown
On ESPN radio and he clearly hadn’t done his research on the 9ers. If you’re going to be an “expert” you shouldn’t be talking about several nonexistent int’s he reported Alex to have thrown. That’s not all he got wrong but it highlights his lack of credibility.
by redgolddynasty on Oct 17, 2011 9:43 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm all Shakespear About This
Tempest in a Teapot and Much Ado About Nothing
Yep he shook his hand too hard and yep he admitted it. I think the slap on the back then jostling around him and yelling (what looks like to me to be) “F yeah!” is what set Schwartz off. To your point Jesse, I’m sure the Niners players love him for it, and I’m sure the Lions players love Schwartz for his over-reaction. All in all it was two fiery guys caught up on the emotion of the moment. Big deal, so what. I wanna pull my shirt out too!
The Yorks made a great move to bring harbaugh in.
It’s great to have a contending team once again. GO NINERS!!!
by silverflame49 on Oct 17, 2011 6:32 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
yorks
good point it starts from the top and us niner fans have been very critical of the yorks becuase times have been so tough for us. they havent made all the right moves and are part to blame for past mistakes and losing seasons. all that being said they got it right this time hiring harbaugh and baalke has been a good architect building the roster. im just saying they havent been perfect in the past but we wouldnt be this good without them acquiring the talent in the first place. we have alot 3rd rnd plus guys really contributing and that comes with good drafting. this all makes me really excited about our future and from now on when our fo makes decisions either in the draft trading or free agency plans i intend to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Jed has made two big decisions so far...
One was not so good…giving Singletary the HC job plus personnel authority.
The other was brilliant…retaining Baalke/hiring Harbaugh.
by AptosNinerFan on Oct 17, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Doubt Jed was thinking that far ahead
But 1 definitely led to 2. If Singletary hadn’t imploded, we probably would not have been in the market for Harbaugh.
So Sweet
Well, we’ve finally gotten the ears and eyes of the media. And this couldn’t be more delicious:
“Oh, the Niners are back, but this isn’t that old classy, genteel organization of Bill Walsh and Joe Montana and Jerry Rice – gentlemen one and all. This is a nasty, physical, rumbling group that from Day 1 took on the personality of its fiery, unapologetic coach.”
Oh yeah dudes. And it’s not like they’re going to dial it back any from here on.
Go Niners!
Justin Smith is something else. 100% Effort! 100% Class!
"I was just running toward the ball," Smith said. "The guys in front of him were making him slow up a little bit. I just went for the ball and, luckily, it was there."
Not sure which media organisation that quote came from but seriously, the media can make anything seem like anything.
I’m part of the UK national media so maybe I’m jaded by it but I can’t help but feel that line is nonsense.
Alex Smith is infinitely more “genteel” than Montana was (can you imagine Smith calling an opposing defender a motherf***** as Joe did back in the day to a Cowboys player; think it was Too Tall Jones).
Was Ronnie Lott genteel? Fred Dean? Hacksaw Reynolds? Walsh himself was a former boxer who had extra marital affairs and is said by his sons to not having played a very active part in their upbringing. Harbaugh could be presented as fiery, sure, or a family man who speaks lovingly of the secure childhood he and his brother had (see background of ‘Who has it better than us?’)
It’s good that the 49ers are being recognised, but that feels like the usual national media ignorance. And as a devotee of that era, I slightly resent the patronising description of Walsh’s team as “genteel”.
by LondonNiner on Oct 17, 2011 9:47 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Perception is reality
When national fans/media looked at Walsh and the 49ers they saw “The Genius”, silver hair, glasses, mild mannered, “West Coast”, etc.
When they look at Harbaugh and the 49ers they see Intensity, physicality, insanity(?) dare I say a “Mid West” approach.
Obviously, these are caricatures and can’t fully represent an entire organization but I do think the identity has changed around the 49ers to some extent and I think that’s a good thing. Maybe we can finally let the “glory years” live in the past where they belong and quit waiting for the second coming of Bill.
by AptosNinerFan on Oct 17, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I agree with that sentiment – if Harbaugh can make everyone stop talking about the old glory years and start talking about the current glory years, I’ll drink to that. I’ll drink genteel Bill Walsh latte or fiery Jim Harbaugh whisky; I don’t mind which :)
by LondonNiner on Oct 17, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It was common among the national media back then
to consider the 49ers offense as more finesse than physical. They were pictured as wine sipping, latte drinking wusses that would rather not get dirty. Not only was Walsh cool and calculating on the sidelines, but the team was from San Francisco, the land of yuppies and tree huggers and gay people, which only fed the meme.
The media needs a good story to make money, and if it sees one catching on, it runs with it. And in a business like that, what people want to hear is usually more valuable than the messy truth. Just because you’re jaded doesn’t mean you’re wrong :)
Agree all round. Remember the game in Chicago when a bunch of wine drinkers and quiche eaters could never win in Bear weather? Truth is, some players on the 49ers team that day would have felt the cold, others would not. Some on the Chicago team would have felt the weather, others would not. Guess what? Not all of the players on the 49ers team come from San Francisco! They have all seen snow before! But that was the story then.
And the story now is that we’re “fiery”. I know how it goes, and it’s OK. I just get all prickly whenever I see a perceived slight against that 80s team. And maybe now I’m starting to get as prickly and defensive about THIS great 49er team – a little early for that, but hey, I’m 5-1 ;)
media
yea but we got it in the wrong way. no one is talking about how good we played or our incredible season they are all focused on the melee after the game thus far. i know harbaugh probably isnt sorry about the scrap but hes definately not feeling good about stealing the thunder and taking attention and props away from his guys.
Monday..
The handchake is the big story of the day. Later in the next two weeks the media will start to move away from that and begin to break down film and start giving there “expert analysist” on the 49ers and why they are 5-1. The team will be talked about soon.
While Harbaugh was over-exuberant, Shwartz way over-reacted
I think reading this from ESPN’s NFC North blogger gives really good perspective from someone who covers Shwartz. I think Harbaugh is getting most of the “blame” from the highlights for this, but I think what Shwartz did was far worse!
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/32752/jim-schwartzs-passion-approaches-lunacy
by djs9989 on Oct 17, 2011 7:12 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
To the contrary...
…most commentary I saw last might said Schwartz was more out of line for chasing Harbaugh.
This is why handshakes are stupid...
Teams should just go their seperate ways after a game. If you want to stick around and catch up with someone after the game on mid-field that’s fine, but it shouldn’t be expected.
I think it starts in Little League when we make the children shake each other’s hand after each game and sat, “Good Game.” That’s stupid too. If you win the game you should be allowed to celebrate with your teammates immediately (especially if you kept your emotions in check all game), not forced to go through some awkward ritual where you’re forced to lie to the team you just thumped.
And if you lost you should be allowed to Charlie Brown it back to the locker room, not forced to stand there and have 50 guys condescendingly tell you that you played a good game when you know damn well that you didn’t.
I like the Handshake
especially at the little league level, where you teach sportsmanship and class.
I have been a Harbaugh for years as a coach but assumed that he would step up from his sophmoric antics as our 49er coach.
You only do that with a team mate, collegue or someone who knows you well and even then you would hesitate to give them warning about whats coming.
He threw a hard,fast roundhouse hand slap at a coach that he had just beaten, with no warning or hesitation and then slapped him hard on the back and walked away with no words other that “fuck yeah” or whatever.
That is an aggressive expression of domination “with a smile”….he knew exactly what he was doing….he represents our team and fan base folks… Schwartz showed his act as a rookie coach as well with his kiddie reaction. I have friends around the country calling me to giving congrads on the game for their long suffering 49ers fan friend(after years of friendly 49er jokes) along with a question about that coach who acted “like a Dick” after the game.
Man, he took the shine off that victory!
by Only In Fairfax on Oct 17, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
lol this is what happens when you read too much into it
im glad you went into Harbaughs mind and found out that it was an “aggressive expression of domination”, its uncanny how you know Harbaughs intent, are you a psychic?
Sabean's_Folly:(on why we watch Giants baseball)
"Just accept the fact that you are a masochist, like most of us here."
by DudeDontTazeMe on Oct 17, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
If you are right then it was just a "out of control" low class move.
Somehow I imagined that he learned better in middle school how to treat others/sportsmanship/empathy. I believe he is successfull for his ability to be in control ..not the lack of. He is a smart ,in control adult…give him a little credit. For some reason he was pissed off at Schwartz and got his revenge but forgot about the cameras.
by Only In Fairfax on Oct 17, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I said this further down but...
Harbaugh only does this to the people that ask for it (Carroll and Schwartz). Is he right for doing it? Probably not.
You didn’t see him do this to Raheem Morris or Andy Reid did you?
by AptosNinerFan on Oct 17, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly
i think Harbaugh didnt like it when the lions coach made fun of him when he threw the red flag.
Coach Harbaugh is the truth!!
Also remembering an incident
Back in March where Schwartz said Harbaugh had no chance at all if the lockout went into the summer…
Might have been rubbing that back a bit as well…
I am still a big fan of his coaching ability but hopes he controls his ego in the future. Its not so hard to show your emotions a show respect for a loosing coach at the same time. At least Schwarts looked even worse..ha!
by Only In Fairfax on Oct 17, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Control his ego
I thought he might tone it down a little after making the transition from Stanford to the NFL, but after yesterday I’m not sure. If this incident had happened at Stanford it would have made a little noise but what Jim probably should take away from this is that when it happens at the NFL level it becomes a huge story and can be somewhat of a distraction.
by AptosNinerFan on Oct 17, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Ego?
It was a huge come from behind victory over an unbeaten team. I’m glad he was that excited. It’s got nothing to do with ego.
Besides every head coach in the league has an ego. You can’t be a head coach without having an ego.
Schwartz told Harbaugh before the season started
that he would not win anything this year, that there was no way he could come in with such short time and make the 49ers matter. I can’t imagine how good it felt for Harbaugh and his team to come in to Schwartz house and PROVE him wrong.
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
lions
i saw the whole game how smug and cocky the lions were every little play they made. it comes from the coach and how smug he is. i was glad to rub it in their faces a lil bit after the game. they did all the talking leading up to the game and we sat quietly and let our play do the talking. im not at all disapointed in harbaugh. watch the tape he had no bad intentions. he was celebrating with his guys and then schwartz came out of no where and harbaugh was still jacked about celebrating with his guys and was a lil over zealous with the handshake. GET OVER IT. schwartz was literally pouting in his press conference
Are we serious right now?
He shook his hand too hard and slapped him on the back? And people are talking about fines and class? This is ridiculous!!!!!
by Frisco_Kid on Oct 17, 2011 1:08 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
or..
or maybe he was just really excited and extreamly pumped up about the win was about to do a chest bump with a 49ers player and then turned around and there was Shwartz. Like Harbuagh said, maybe it realy was just the heat of the moment, why does there have to be some hidden logic behind what happened?
To be fair
Harbaugh is pretty darn calculating. It would not surprise me if he was prepared for that moment (maybe had been preparing since before the season started???). However, it was nothing to cry in the press about. It is now a great story line for the end of the season. Maybe we can relive it in the playoffs and this time Harbaugh can just refuse to shake his hand and claim it was fear that Schwartz would get hurt or something…
I think his prescription might be off.
With 20/20 you’d see Harbaugh at WORST shook his hand too hard. And I didn’t see “F YEA” I saw WOOOOOOOOO!
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 17, 2011 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Harbaugh channeling his inner Rick Flair
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 17, 2011 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
i see nothing wrong with what he did.
they are grown men. the lions coach likes to rub it in as well. lions coach got a taste of his own medicine.
Coach Harbaugh is the truth!!
Detroit blog
sure is butthurt over there. Seems every niner fan is ‘bandwagon’ and has ‘never been to a home game’
Schwartz must post on that blog.
Eh, they are just trying to find more ways to resent the Niners by hating the fans. We know it’s not true. Just some good ol’ post-game hating.
Some fans, yes, are jumping on the bandwagon maybe. You could also argue that, maybe those fans are finding something new and irresistible about this team. Maybe they see a spark that hasn’t been there before. Maybe they are seeing “something special brewing here”. And maybe also, the Niners are drawing in new fans who are just starting to notice how good a team they are, and how good they can be. How good they WILL be.
Detroit has some passionate fans. They have something finally to get excited about too, and it’s awesome to see them fired up. Can’t fault them for that.
Win or lose, at the end of the day I'm just happy to see the Niners play well... Okay, winning is good. I prefer winning.
"Yeah, I do get emotional. It fires me up. It fires me up a lot. I'm not going to apologize for that. If that offends you or anybody else, then so be it."
Fixed it for you
Just some good ol’ post-game post-loss hating.
Today's Justin Smith :: Yesterday's Bryant Young
by OffensiveInterference on Oct 17, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Personally,
I don’t see any niners hate over there. Its mostly ref hate and disappointment at how our team performed. There’s always pre and post game trash talk, that happens, but to lump a whole fanbase together seems uncalled for. Bandwagon fans happen, especially when two teams like ours get good. Still, alot of the hate both ways seems to come from the die hard fans. Its ok to be fired up for our respective teams, but much like this hand shake shenanigans, its best to tone it down and be respectful when you’re in the oppositions face. Alot of the escalation in my opinion comes from simple reactions to mundane stimuli. I place no blame on either coach but at the same time, this is not what I want to see in my coach. Win or lose, you’re fired up, I get it, but can you not contain yourselves 5 seconds for a simple handshake/good game? I expect more out of coaches. Sadly, I even expect more out of fans. Regardless, without placeing blame, I’m severely disappointed at what it amounted to and received way too much attention from the media.
Oh well, good luck on the rest of the season.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Are the Lions fans in any kind of position to talk about bandwagoneers?
by I'm your PTBNL on Oct 17, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I would also like to add
that i called it a couple weeks ago. i said that when Detroit loses its first game, it will lose three in a row. I stand by it. That should shut up those fans. To be honest i think the bears may make the playoffs and Detroit may not even get in. You are my witness.
You get some credit for that
However, while I DO think they will look a little more mortal from here on out, I still think they nab a wild card spot, with the Packers taking the division crown.
The Bears aren’t bad, they just aren’t especially good, and Mike Martz should be prosecuted for attempting to have Jay Cutler beaten to death.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Oct 17, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Its a conspiracy
All you ever hear about is how great Mike Tice is, but you never see it on Sundays. That line sucks, plain and simple. They aspire to have Chilo on the team.
I disagree with your prediction
as it would involve us losing to the Broncos after a bye week. That’s a long shot, although admittedly not impossible.
That should shut up those fans
Yeah, its pretty stupid that we got excited going 5-0. What were we thinking? C’mon man.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
shooot im a Niner fan
AND a bandwagon Lions fan.
Never really understood why people resented bandwagon fans of any team, if anything its just more revenue for the team.
Sabean's_Folly:(on why we watch Giants baseball)
"Just accept the fact that you are a masochist, like most of us here."
by DudeDontTazeMe on Oct 17, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Reasons to Resent Bandwagon fans
1) Mostly ill-informed
2) Mostly loud
3) Mostly drown out real conversation because they are ill-informed and loud
4) Drop the team like they have never heard of them after they begin to lose … this after spending x amount of time talking trash to everyone else about their team.
Becoming a new fan because you recognize a team during a hot streak is alright, cause the new fan sticks with their team once it’s bad again along with the old fans. Bandwagon fans are awful. I vividly recall all those Cowboys jackets that began to show up in the early 90’s, later became Packer jackets now I believe are wearing Patriots jackets. All they did was bump their gums and spew idiocy to everyone else.
Unfortunately many bandwagon fans
Stay fans and stay uninformed and loud. See the “WE WANT CARR” crowd.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 17, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
haven't they had problems with game black outs for not selling out the stadium before
by San_Hezzy_Playa on Oct 17, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Alot of teams have.
It doesn’t mean the fanbase is particularly fickle
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
"never been to a home game"
That is very ignorant and a ironic statement to come from a (detriot) team that has empty stadiums and the niners are always on TV and do not get blacked out even in their 2 win seasons. True, there are a couple of thousand tickets that were bought by the TV companies to stop a blackout or two, but that was in a 10 year span on consistently bad teams.
Yeah...
And fans who are well documented for wearing paper bags over their heads during down years.
Perfect example, I have been going to the same bar every week for the games because I’m in New Jersey. During terrible beatings like the Packers game last year, I was still there proudly wearing my jersey. Yesterday, for the first time in 2+ seasons, there were Lions fans present. It happens for every team, they smell a decent season and the fans start to come out of the woodwork.
by 9thevolution on Oct 17, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't live in Cal anymore
But I drive 5 hours each way once a year to watch the 9ers play the Rams at the EJ Dome. I’ve lived all over the country and know exactly 2 Lions fans. Just saying.
by redgolddynasty on Oct 17, 2011 9:47 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
i live an in LA
i wish i had the money to go to every home game. but i cant. but i did get the NFL ticket to watch all the games. my brothers and i love the 9ERS as much as anyone here. i watch every game on tv or the sports bars.
Coach Harbaugh is the truth!!
That is an ignorant statement.
It doesn’t matter who made the comment. I do however fail to see how all detroit fans and the team are responsible for one ignorant comment. Yes, the Lions have had blackouts, not sure how that makes the never been to a home game comment any more or less ignorant unless that guy was solely responsible for all the unsold tickets.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
eh....
both coaches have a little bit of lunatic in them. I think both would dunk on their own kid on a Nerf hoop and the rub it in their face. In retrospect, would you expect anything different from these two. Awesomeness.
Don't put handcuffs on Jim Harbaugh emotions, please!
Coach is entitled to be excited AFTER the game and show his emotions AFTER the game.
Heck….the 9ers just defeated an un-defeated team….let coach and our 9ers let loose.
BUT NO THERES A CERTAIN PROTOCOL IN THE NFL AND HE SMACKED ME ON THE BACK AND BLAHBLAHBLAH
I cant say id feel the same if Schwartz did this, but honestly the game was over, it looked like Harbaugh didnt think anything of it, while Schwartz was a ticking time bomb
Sabean's_Folly:(on why we watch Giants baseball)
"Just accept the fact that you are a masochist, like most of us here."
by DudeDontTazeMe on Oct 17, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Its not like
Harbaugh ran over, did Schwartz’s “fist pump” and yelled we got your zero b***h! Although that’s what i was yelling at the time. All in all i can see both sides, it was a VERY emotional game for everyone involved. Schwartz had just been out coached by Harbaugh. Out played by the Niners and watched his team roll over and play dead on their last two drives. A ball boy could of said good game coach and that may of set him off. Just so happened that Harbaugh’s exuberance did it. Harbaugh did nothing on purpose and Schwartz over reacted in the heat of it. Now i am done kicking a dead Lion oops i mean horse.
can't rec on my mobile
But would if I could
by redgolddynasty on Oct 17, 2011 9:49 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I love how nuts Harbaugh is.
He has been a shot in the arm for this team. And I dearly hate being called a bandwagon fan. Yeah, I don’t live in SF, I’ve never been to Candlestick, but I grew up in Oregon watching this team. And I couldn’t get enough of them. Even during the dark years where we absolutely sucked, I knew one day we would get it turned in the right direction and we have.
Blazers fan since '91
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"B.Roy, he play like Brandon Roy. That's it." - Nicolas Batum
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by rise_stand_resist on Oct 17, 2011 8:36 AM PDT reply actions
bandwagon fans
it’s nobody’s place to tell someone what kind of fan they are. if you like something, you like it.
by t p on Oct 17, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
t p
your words are wise.
Sabean's_Folly:(on why we watch Giants baseball)
"Just accept the fact that you are a masochist, like most of us here."
by DudeDontTazeMe on Oct 17, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, I live in West Virginia. LoL
Like you, doesn’t matter. I’ve been a Niners fan as long as I can remember, and will be til the day I die, through thick and thin.
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
Right there with you
Been a fan about as far back as my memory goes…
I don’t think any of us that participate in this community needs to explain ourselves to anyone my friend.
by Virginia9er on Oct 17, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting snippet on yahoo:
Jim Schwartz, Head Coach, Detroit Lions. Dial it down a notch, Coach. What are you going to do, fight another head coach right there on the field after a game? Because you didn’t like the way he shook your hand? I used to be that way, too — in little league, when we lost and they made us shake hands with the other team. You’re the same guy who’s openly taunting Dez Bryant, and running out after field goals, pumping your fist and screaming naughty words, and you just won’t stand for it when some other coach breaches NFL coaching etiquette? Don’t get me wrong, Coach, I love what you’ve done, and the energetic tough-guy approach works for you. But you don’t have a copyright on it.
Honestly, i didn’t know anything about Jim S before this game. He sounds a lot like Harb in personality. But, I gotta say….he didn’t handle the situation well at all. He had a chance to be the better man and blew it. And while it’s hard to watch Harbaugh act like a kid and blow off the handshake – it’s Schwarz who has some real PR damage to fix after all.
disaster^^^^
how not to use the blockquotes, by t p
Anybody else watching ESPN this morning?
Is that our Niners getting lathered with praise? Can it be?
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
Yes it is, but that's Freddie Soft leading the news coverage..
Blazers fan since '91
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"B.Roy, he play like Brandon Roy. That's it." - Nicolas Batum
"We're family. We're family because of this stupid, stinkin' team." - Dave
by rise_stand_resist on Oct 17, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
check this out guys
go to about 8 min into the interview to what john harbaugh has to say about it
by Gustav Thelen Dow on Oct 17, 2011 8:45 AM PDT reply actions
john harbaugh quote :
"Jim won [the game], right? Someone went after Jim?" his brother John, the Baltimore Ravens’ head coach, asked Sunday (via Baltimore Sun) with a smile. "Let’s put it this way: I’ve been in fights with Jim before, too. I won some early when we were in our childhood career. Then it got slanted the other way for a while. We’ve got one coming up on Thanksgiving night, don’t we?"
by Gustav Thelen Dow on Oct 17, 2011 8:46 AM PDT reply actions
lol i was just thinking about how the handshake after this game will be like
what if they start wrestling or something
Sabean's_Folly:(on why we watch Giants baseball)
"Just accept the fact that you are a masochist, like most of us here."
by DudeDontTazeMe on Oct 17, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I think this is mostly just a big misunderstanding
Harbaugh was fired up. His team had just won a huge game. He’s a fiery guy and he was amped. He’s jumping around like, well, an idiot and untucking his shirt (although on the video, it looks like he’s about to strip it off!). He’s chest-bumping and high-fiving his players. And then he encounters Schwatrz. Harbaugh gives him a handshake that has a little too much high-five in it, then he slaps him on the back. That one had a little bit too much mustard on it too.
Harbaugh then moves on with his celebration, screaming “Fuck yeah!” Schwartz obviously thinks this expletive is directed at him. Harbaugh runs towards the tunnel, Schwartz chases him down to give him some beef.
Do both coaches look like idiots? Yeah, I think so. Harbaugh needs to learn to celebrate with class, especially in public and especially when meeting the opposing head coach. The jumping up and down and chest-bumping is silly and doesn’t look good. The too-strong handshake and slap on the back were excessive. When I saw it initially I thought “What a di*k move!”
BUT, Schwartz made himself look like an idiot by chasing down Harbaugh. Schwartz overreacted, just like Harbaugh overreacted to the win. I really don’t think Harbaugh was conciously trying to show Schwartz or the Lions up. I think he just couldn’t contain himself. But he has to control himself when he’s shaking the opposing coach’s hand. You ask your players to control their emotions “in the moment”. You should practice what you preach.
This
Never said what Harbaugh did was right, but Schwartz clearly showed two wrongs don’t make a right.
Both coaches probably already forgot about it. The media, unfortunately….not so much.
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
Again, not taking up for Harbaugh
but it blows my mind how a lot of people act like a fiery, competitive, emotional attitude is awful to have. I LOVE how Harbaugh is, and can honestly say at this point, I don’t think there is ANY other coach I’d rather have roaming our sidelines.
That guy could care less how he’s perceived. He has 53 guys whose opinion he cares about, and they wear red jerseys. GOD, this season is a trip. LoL
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
Agree
I personally think Harbaugh’s celebration was excessive. But I can forgive that. He is who he is and I’d rather have an emotional coach than an automaton. It’s a big part of the reason they’re where they are now.
But he has to get a grip when he’s encountering the opposing coach. Dial it down a bit and give him a firm handshake and then, yes, run off the field like a winner. The high-five handshake and slap on the back were too much.
And let’s not even talk about Anthony Davis’ tweets. Ugh!
Think Harbaugh will look back and say lesson learned
I love that he’s emotional and not afraid to show it. I don’t think he’s going to change that. But I think he’ll be more formal now (and less treating the opposing coach like one of his players) when it comes to the handshake after the games.
Win or lose, at the end of the day I'm just happy to see the Niners play well... Okay, winning is good. I prefer winning.
"Yeah, I do get emotional. It fires me up. It fires me up a lot. I'm not going to apologize for that. If that offends you or anybody else, then so be it."
Phooey
So what if Harbaugh celebrated and shook his hand too hard. To me it looked like he didn’t know what was going on, he was just walking away and continued to walk away after Schwartz ran up on him. Not Harbaugh’s fault Schwartz’s team gave up at the end of the game.
Besides… I got $100 bucks on Harbaugh winning that fist fight.
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they’re bigger than everybody else, and that’s what makes them the biggest guys on the field." ~ John Madden
by 49erfannm on Oct 17, 2011 8:58 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Harbaugh had much more
self-constraint then I did after the game. I would hate to see the NFL’s fine if they had seen me behaving the way i was.
Cant link from phone
But cards site had commented link to story about schwartz saying harbs had no chance at success this year in coaches meeting before season
by mrg80 on Oct 17, 2011 9:24 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I read this too and thought it was interesting
especially the part about Harbaugh “biting his lip”.
by AptosNinerFan on Oct 17, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah I linked that in the fanshots last night
kind of explains a lot
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
Here is the Bottom Line: Our players & Our Fan's Love Harbaugh...
Coach has this team and us fan’s believing, playing awesome, winning ball and… having FUN doing it!
I totally enjoy seeing Harbaughs open excitement, and more importantly our players excitement.
We have not seen this out of coaches, players (fans) for decades.
It is not just the excitement
It is the excitement backed up by the relentless pursuit of success and truly “getting better every day”. Those things combined are contageous. Pete Carrol was excited. Josh McDaniels was excited. Schwartz is excited all the time too… We love Harbaugh because he demonstrates every day that his passion is more than just fluff on the top. He understands what kind of committment it takes to be a winner. He also seems to have skill at evaluating talent and surrounding himself with capable guys.
Actually, it all started earlier in the game....
when schwartz yelled at harbaugh from across the sideline when he challenged the pettigrew touchdown after the review. schwartz can clearly be seen saying " LEARN THE RULES, HARBAUGH!"……….that’s probably what set it off afterwards.I’m sure Harbaugh doesn’t forget insults like that too easily…
I don't think this was an accident
I don’t think Harbaugh does anything on accident. The two big “incidents” he’s had with opposing coaches have been with Pete Carroll and Jim Schwartz, two of the biggest “rah rah”, fist pumping, over the top coaches out there. The cameras clearly caught Schwartz yelling at Harbaugh to “learn the rules” when the 49ers challanged the TD in the first half. Harbaugh watches the tape and he see this guy running up and down the sidelines every game, just like Carroll, and he gave him a little taste of his own medicine. It doesn’t help that Harbaugh is clearly insane as well.
I tend to agree
As media savvy as he is I don’t think that the fast hand shake and chest bump were accidental, and I’m fine with that.
Yep
I’m fine with it too. People saying that Harbaugh was simply wrapped in the emotion of a big win are underestimating his intelligence.
by AptosNinerFan on Oct 17, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
eh, there was a
beat down in Motown! If you were ’what’s your deal 2.0’, wouldn’t you be chasing coach Harbs too?
by Doni S on Oct 17, 2011 9:54 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
It shall now be referred to as...
“The Handshake”.
by AptosNinerFan on Oct 17, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Is "The Handshake" the first sign of the Harbacolypse
Any ideas on the next sign?
Jim Harbaugh is KING
Hey everybody I want you guys to look at this it’s pretty interesting. If it’s true the Schwartz is such a jackass.
I believe in excellence. I believe in Alex Smith.
SORRY
Here is the link http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Harbaugh-Schwartz-and-the-first-quarter-play-th?urn=nfl-wp9711
I believe in excellence. I believe in Alex Smith.
this and the jab he made before kickoff
about the Niners decision to defer the kickoff.
He said something along the lines of, “i think san fran knows what their up against, THEY JUST DEFERRED THE KICK LOL.” Then he goes on to give the reporter a sly little douche grin.
1. Harbaugh does this alot(defer the kick) , and its a testament to our defense.
2. Remarks like this, and the taunting of Harbaugh for that challenge, running up and down yelling at our sideline to “learn the rules” is as classless as all hell, Swchartz is a idiot and a douche but i must say he does have a pretty ugly face.
Sabean's_Folly:(on why we watch Giants baseball)
"Just accept the fact that you are a masochist, like most of us here."
by DudeDontTazeMe on Oct 17, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
This actually helps
Keeps the media attention/focus all on coach and let’s the team fly under the radar. Of course, this is only for the casual fans. True NFL fans and pundits should be put on notice the Niners are back!
Thought that Schwartz comments pre-game were classless, “Oh hey look they deferred to kick-off to us because they didn’t want to see our defense,” and then his whole reaction to JH’s 15yd penalty on the unreviewable play and just Schwartz whole smug demeanor throughout the game. LOVED everything about this game.
I also noticed the same thing. I think that Schwartz was pissed and believed he heard something when he did not. Funny how Schwartz reacted when a) they got calls all game long! b) something fishy was up w/ the playclock! and c) they got turnovers and still got smacked at home! Nice Run Defense Schwartz!
Thank you Jimmy Harbaugh for exposing Schwartz and his team.
GO NINERS
by 49er Faithful925 on Oct 17, 2011 11:38 AM PDT reply actions
Hell of a game yesterday
I was at Ford Field yesterday and am a big Lions fan and unlike the above mentioned bandwogners I have been there for the Lions since the early 90’s. I knew going into the game that it would be a tough one but I have a new respect for your defence and I know you guys gave your offenseive MVP to Gore but your MVP of the game was Andy Lee. You dont realize how valuable a punter is until you play against a great one. There was no room for returns as he kept the ball high and angled to the side for pursuit of your gunners. Without his abilities the field position battle would not have been in your favor as much as it was. Damn I never thought I would say that about a punter!!
Hopefully the whole postgame mess gets forgotten about soon as I think both coaches could have handled and should have handled the situation a bit differently.
All that being said good luck with the rest of your season and who knows we might be making a flight to San Fran for a playoff game! I did read somewhere up this page that someone feels that the Bears have a better chance at making the playoffs then the Lions do and that my friend is a little odd. Either way its your opinion and your entitled to it but I wouldn’t be putting any money on it!!
They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!
Oh trust me we realize
Everyone loves Andy Lee, he is just always so consistent. He gets a game ball every week, it is just understood ;).
by Virginia9er on Oct 17, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
thx
Good luck the rest of the way. Despite the past weeks bad blood, most of us are puliing for the lions to get out of the cellar.
by mrg80 on Oct 17, 2011 12:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
bad blood...
hard fought game and emotional and the media is doing a great job of making this a bigger deal then it really is. I have always been a pseudo supporter of the 49ers. They have a great history and a lot of great players have worn that uniform. I have a lot of respect for your team and as I said above your D was awesome yesterday. Its actually quite disappointing to lose a game when the other team has as many passing yards as they do penalty yards but whatevs. You guys won it and deserved it.
Hopefully we will see you guys again in the playoffs and then out at candlestick next season! Good luck the rest of the way,
They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!
Andy Lee has been the team's MVP for a long time
two of the best punters in the league are in the Bay Area (Shane Lechler being the other)
good news
Thanks to your Andy Lee comment, I might just leave NN to you in my will.
by David Fucillo on Oct 17, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
give respect when its due and again I cant believe I am talking about a punter but hes that good.
They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!
classy
thanks and good luck to you guys in the rest of your season and fwiw I think you guys have a much better shot at the playoffs then Chicago
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
Well said
I’m constantly surprised at how troll free this site is.
Congrats on a great win Niners. Thanks for making the NFC West relevant (so far).
Harbaugh let the moment get the best of him….which is fine…. until you go shake the hand of the opposing coach. Act like you’ve been there before. Sincere handshake with the obligatory ‘good game’ and move on. No need to slap him on the back like he’s your son that you are trying to give encouragement to.
Schwartz
Can’t read the name Schwartz without thinking about Space Balls…
Back in 1997
Jim Harbaugh tracked down and punched Jim Kelly who called him out back then when he was a QB.
Harbaugh tried to punch him in the face and missed and hit in in the head and cracked a bone in his hand. Good thing that Jim Schwartz didn’t get more in Harbs face or he might have decked him.
http://articles.latimes.com/1997/oct/28/sports/sp-47658
“Jim and I settled it, and came to an understanding,” said Harbaugh, while obviously claiming a TKO. “I consider this something personal between Jim Kelly and I.” And now millions of football fans across the country.
nice. shawtz got scared. you can see harbaugh mouthing get out of my face and shcawtz backing away. lol
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Oct 17, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
so what we take from this
Is that Harbaugh doesn’t like other guys who are named Jim.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 17, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I have absolutely no problems with what Jim Harbaugh did
whether it was accidental or intentional on his part it doesn’t matter. Schwartz had been insulting Harbaugh and the 49ers all week long and especially during the game. Factor in the comments that Schwartz made about Harbaugh not being able to get it done this season and there’s every reason in the world for Harbaugh to rub it in a little.
I actually think it was intentional on his part. I’m thinking about the interview where Harbaugh was somewhat passive/agressive in accepting the blame. “It’s all on me. I guess I shook his hand too hard.” That’s essentially saying “I’m sorry you’re such a wimp.” and a way to get a dig in at Schwartz without really seeming to.
I think the handshake fits in to the same kind of category. It’s a “How do you like me now?” moment.
You got it.
Notice how Harbaugh didn’t do this to Andy Reid after a big win in Philly or to Raheem Morris after the ass whoopin in SF?
by AptosNinerFan on Oct 17, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
I REFUSE TO APOLOGIZE FOR OUR HEAD COACHING BEING FIRED UP AFTER A WIN.
This is the most juvenile dribble I have EVER heard following a game. You’re going to say he doesn’t have class, should be fined, etc etc for a HAND SHAKE AND SLAP ON THE BACK? These our grown men, playing the most terrifying, physical sport in the world, and you going to cry about how he shook hands???
To take any focus away from the incredible game we played should be a crime.
Who's got it better than us?! NOBODY!!!
I also believe that Jim has absolutely NO harmful intentions when he congratulated Swartz.
He seems to take some shots at him in the post-game conference, but after everything Swartz had done it was completely warranted.
Both coaches were fired up and emotional, they both stood up for their teams. Lets forget this happened and appreciate the phenomenal game we had bestowed upon us
Who's got it better than us?! NOBODY!!!
I think Harbaugh just got a little too excited
He got a little too aggressive with the handshake, that’s all. I don’t know if he cussed at Schwartz or not – if he did, that was too far. But I think Schwartz just went too far. I think everybody’s just blowing this whole thing completely out of proportion.
"I for one welcome our new computer overlords." - Ken Jennings, after losing to a computer on Jeopardy, 2/16/11
It looks like Schwartz was the one that fired off the first "obscenity"
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