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2011, Where They Stand: San Francisco 49ers (Part I)

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After a triumphant outing against the Detroit Lions, the 5-1 San Francisco 49ers are on a 4-game win streak and entering their bye week. At this point, I think it's safe to say that we have a pretty good idea of what the 49ers are bringing on Sundays. In this two-part piece, I'd like to discuss what we've seen from the Niners and what we can expect to see --- both good and bad.

The way this turnaround has come about seems to begin and end with the coaching, so it feels right to start there. Looking at the 2010 49ers and the 2011 49ers, it appears that Jim Harbaugh has all but turned water into wine. His ability to gameplan for his opponents, the way he conducts practice, the philosophical aspect, and most notably, his hands on approach with the players has all been top notch.

Along with coach Harbaugh, the staff he assembled has been embraced by the players and has produced results much earlier than expected. In all three phases of the game; offense, defense and special teams, have been efficient units that together contributed to the 5 wins in 6 games. It's been the collective team effort that has San Francisco as a top 5 team in the league. The contributions have been coming from all over:

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Alex Smith

Let's talk statistics. Six games into the season, and quarterback Alex Smith has thrown 8 touchdowns and only 2 interceptions, earning him a 95.2 quarterback rating. Smith has been moving the chains for San Francisco and shown us that he can win 5 out of 6 games, including a 3-0 road record against tough opponents (CIN, PHI and DET).

He may not be evoking eye-popping numbers in yards but Smith has signficantly less attempts than the passing leaders ahead of him. He's put together performances in the clutch against tough teams on the road like his 21-point comeback at Philadelphia or the last ditch effort that went for a touchdown to Delanie Walker to finish Detroit at Ford Field. Harbaugh believes in him. The team believes in him. And the fans may be starting to turn as well.

The Draft Class

At this point in the season, the 49ers seemed to have assembled the most productive, already contributing draft class this year. On both sides of the ball, multiple players have stepped up to help this team form it's new identity and most importantly, help win games. On the offensive side of the ball, it's been runningback Kendall Hunter and fullback Bruce Miller who have earned roles and taken advantage of their opportunities.

Hunter has seemingly made workhorse back Frank Gore a more effective runner by keeping him fresh and being the perfect compliment to his running style. Meanwhile, Miller has stepped up in the absence of Moran Norris as a bruising fullback who is also versatile enough to provide a checkdown for Alex Smith.

It almost goes without saying that on the defensive side of the ball, first round choice and Defensive Rookie of the Year candidate Aldon Smith has been wreaking havoc in the oppositions backfield. Sitting at 5th in the NFL with 5.5 sacks on the season, Smith could hit double digits by mid-December. Smith is not alone either; rookie cornerback Chris Culliver has made some noise already this season, recording his first career interception against Tampa Bay when asked to step up due to injuries.

The Front Seven

The performance of the 49ers front seven this year has been the best I have seen in years. The play by them has been absolutely phenomenal, with a different guy stepping up every week. The managements decision to part ways with Takeo Spikes, Aubrayo Franklin, Nate Clements and Manny Lawson hasn't been harmful whatsoever. In fact, their departure has allowed for other breakout players to take centerstage.

NaVorro Bowman, Ray McDonald and Isaac Sopoaga have most notably stepped up in their new roles on the team. Bowman is looking like Patrick Willis Jr. and McDonald has been an absolute treat to watch at left defensive end. Ahmad Brooks has been contributing left and right, proving he should have been the starter all along. And let's not forget about Justin Smith, who at age 32, is playing at perhaps the highest level of his career.

Patrick Willis has been performing at the same All Pro level we have seen him perform at year in and year out since his rookie season. The only difference this year is the system; they play to a system and have the personnel to ensure that the weight doesn't always fall on Willis' shoulders. As a result, the front seven as a whole has combined for 17 sacks in six games this season.

Come back tomorrow for Part 2 of "2011, Where They Stand" as I continue to breakdown where the 49ers are in the NFL today, and where they might be headed.

 

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good analysis

i would even list the emerging secondary and probably the leagues best spec teams but that may in part 2? the front seven in my opinion is the difference in wins and losses this yr. strong upfront and linebackers all over the feild shutting down the run and finally sacking the qb

by mikec49 on Oct 19, 2011 9:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Indeed

our front 7 have been SO good; I think part of that is that Willis has made the leap from being “good in coverage for a LB” to being just flat-out good in coverage. This gives our pass rush an extra beat to get there, shuts down the dump-off pass, and Brooks is starting to emerge as the guy we wanted him to be.

And, while Willis is my favorite Niner (and almost indisputably the most talented), he may not even be playing at the highest level among the front 7 right now- Justin Smith has been beyond-hyperbole good so far.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Question...

Is it possible for bloggers and fans to now believe that SF is not a fluke, but the real deal? I am flat out excited about every aspect of the team and their play!

by Hesperia9er on Oct 19, 2011 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

The Heard (ESPN) just made the comment that SF is a 'QB' away from winning the SB...

As much hatred as I have spewed for a number of years about Alex Smith…yes, i am eating crow…the above statement is 100% incorrect.

by Hesperia9er on Oct 19, 2011 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Alex Smith is a Pro Bowl caliber QB

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by MichaelClutchtree on Oct 19, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

a QB away from winning the SB??

Is that a knock on Alex? If it is, why? He’s part of the reason we’re 5-1.

What else does he have to do to prove he’s a legit NFL QB? Granted, Alex hasn’t eclipsed the +300 yd. passing game this season (sooner or later he will), but the way he’s managed games thus far kinda proves he doesn’t necessarily have to…

And if we did win the SB w/Alex, what would they say then?

by Doni S on Oct 19, 2011 9:54 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

They would say it was Dilferesque

because fantasy owners are not starting Smith.

by mcwagner on Oct 19, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

but they do start Grossman~Beck

…even Freeman who we knocked into the next universe. So be it, I guess. They don’t trust him as far as ‘fantasy football’ goes, but Alex is finally managing to win games…the really tough 1’s included.

We’re more of a run oriented team anyway, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing

by Doni S on Oct 19, 2011 1:37 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

it depends on they won the super bowl

Did they win in spite of him or because of him, did the level of competition drop?

I mean a couple of mediocre QBs won super bowls with the Ravens and Bucs, but everyone recognized that. Even 49er fans. The level of play in the NFL was lower at that point, several weak teams won the super bowl ( Brady wasn’t Brady yet when they won their first ).

Now.. getting through some of these teams, even if it’s only 3 games, even if 2 of them are at home.. seems daunting to win 3 in a row against the hottest best teams in the NFL with the spotty offense the 49ers have.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't it put egg on some faces

If we went to the Super Bowl and Alex hung 450 and 3TD up in a dominating win.

Not saying it’s likely. But it would put a whole flock of crow on some very big plates.

by Ougadas on Oct 19, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think there is a 0% chance of that happening

If the 49ers went on a playoff run, the games would be similar to the ones we’ve already seen

maybe 240 yards passing, around 150+ rushing, few bad turnovers, really good special teams play, maybe a couple turnovers in the other direction, NO INJURIES!

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree

I am fine seeing our defense continue to hurt people. We’re racking up quite the tally so far…

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I meant no injuries for the 49ers

the 49ers are hurting the other team on both sides of the ball, with legal hits, one of the few teams in the NFL that does so ( Ravens being another, that TG game might result in some injured players, but at least they’ll have 9 days before next game )

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know what you meant

It’s what’s known as a “joke”. :)

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think for Alex Smith to get to the level they (ESPN or NFLnetwork) want.. he would have to be a dominating factor

Drew Brees, Brady, Manning and even Rogers have been playing in one system most or all of their careers. They know who, what, where, when and how for every part of the offense. It takes time to get that comfortable . You take any of these QBs and put them into a new system and they will have problems.

Smith is good this year.. Next year ( if they resign him), he will be more comfortable and will do better. The same for each upcoming year.

So, he will just have to win multiple SuperBowls to get the respect. And, I think we owe it to him, to allow him to win those SBs. :-)

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Oct 19, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

That

And all the offseason attention he brought upon himself. Dude is an excellent QB, but a total creep. and possibly a rapist.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think they ignored him

they were talking him up as a rookie when the Steelers were going 15-1 or whatever in spite of his poor play.

The realities of Roethlisbergers on-the-field play is that he’s not a cerebral QB, he is probably the best playground QB of all time.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Favre

didn’t know what a nickel package was until his 3rd year in and drove Holmgren insane.

by mcwagner on Oct 19, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

another good QB when the play break down

however, on the playground I think he’d still throw interceptions, and he’d give a lot of black eyes from throwing it way too hard!

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thinkin" you meant , when they resign him ... Extend the Man ...!!

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by Edggy on Oct 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really........... 0%?

haven’t we learned by now to not make such absolute statements? I remember people saying there was 0% chance Smith could take a team to the playoffs too.

by sactownbull on Oct 19, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would

Don’t think it’ll happen, but it would be fantastic. Then, lots of people would have to go on tv the next morning to explain how they got it so wrong.

It’s unlikely. Likely, though, is both Willis and J. Smith getting some DPOY votes.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree

But the SB is getting ahead of ourselves. In the meantime, I want to see them win a couple more games because of Alex. Don’t know if that’s feasible, but I have hopes for him continuing to grow/improve under Harbaugh.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

As long as they stay on pace for a bye

Then I think it’s perfectly reasonable to talk about the playoffs and what they can do in them.

I don’t believe in superstitions and I think the crap that the 49ers have been through the last 4 years will keep them from looking ahead.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not superstition

It’s a young team, and they haven’t experienced much success together prior to this season.

As a result, it’s important that they not let it go to their heads or distract them. Harbaugh has said as much.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I meant from a fans perspective

I reiterated that I don’t think it’s a problem for the 49ers themselves. They have a fresh new coach and they just went through a really really terrible 4 years in which most of them experienced some level of hype that resulted in them getting ahead of themselves. I don’t see it as a remote possibility this year.

2012 might be a different story, particularly since they are currently “getting away” with not having an off-season. Might encourage them to not care about the off-season.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

i agree

most long time fans are well aware of the team’s history, and how surprising this turnaround is. for myself, I’m increasingly optimistic about a playoff run, while at the same realistic about how long the season is, how injuries can impact things profoundly, and how the ball can make some strange bounces. but that said, I have no problem saying I think they’re going to make the post season. that’s not a jinx, that’s just correctly observing the current situation.

by mwright84 on Oct 19, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fooch posted the article on that this morning

Unless we start tanking, the Seahawks start thrashing EVERYONE, and Brandon Lloyd catches 2,000 yards worth of passes from Bradford…Football Outsiders puts us at a 99% shot of making it.

In the meantime, the team should focus on improving, so that when they get there, they’re not just happy to be there, but want to show the rest of the NFL what they’re made of.

That said, I DO look for the rest of the NFC West to suck a little less moving forward. It would be hard to get worse.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Should note that football outsiders odds for the 49ers

are a little off right now because they thrashed the Bucs. It has thrown a wrench in some of the percentages. It’s why the 49ers are #2 in their rating system and the Bucs are down among 1 win teams with a 4-2 record.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

bucs

why take away from that game? that game happened. we stomped a good football team. it was no fluke

by mikec49 on Oct 19, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

statistically

it was pretty flukey, but right now it is 1/6 of their games.

Just like after the 49ers had 2 special teams TDs in the first game it’s helped them be the #1 special teams team, but over the course of 16 games instead of 6 it’ll come down.

Just like their ratings will come down as they play weaker teams and, likely, play them close as the 49ers don’t really have a team set up to win easy.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I bet you

We will destroy the Browns after the bye and at home

by mcwagner on Oct 19, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

define destroy, and what are the odds

if this is straight 1-1 odds, then I’ll take that bet!

49ers best chance of blowouts from here on out are the Cardinals and Rams at home, but even those.. I’d say the 49ers need at least 1 defensive or special teams TD in order to blow a team out ( win by more than 14 )

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

point

i see your point and im not trying to start an argument but i think people take to much away from the tampa game. why should it be written off or “flukey”. they played great in all facets of the game and thoroughly beat a good football team. thats apart of our season something to build from, part of the momentum.

by mikec49 on Oct 19, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was a great game

I’m not trying to take away from it, just to put it in perspective in regards to mathematical equations being used to project playoff odds.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

point

yea i know i dont disagree im just saying overall the general feeling from the media and some of our fans gives me the vibe that it was some kind of fluke game or that it was just tampa blowing it and not showing up. i think we just whipped that a

by mikec49 on Oct 19, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's easy

He needs to prove he can beat the elite NFL QB’s. The guys you have to beat on the way to the Super Bowl are Brees, Rodgers and then Roethlisberger, P Manning or Brady.

Those guys have won all the Super Bowls over the last ten years, with the one non-elite winner being Eli Manning. Who’s pretty good too.

So it’s fair to say that although Smith is playing well he has a lot to prove before being called a Super Bowl level QB.

by hammystyle on Oct 19, 2011 10:34 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Eli is much better than most give him credit for.

His issues are that he can’t get out of his own way at times. IE, he needs to be slowed down and not sped up.

The last 2 non top level QBs to win it, won it in the 4-5 year span where the NFL was down.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree with that

I assume you mean that all the INT’s are a result of him speeding it up?

I feel like Eli and Schaub are the two good quarterbacks in the league who go somewhat unappreciated.

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by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yea I mean

Eli on 3rd and goal from the 4, will feel like he HAS to score a TD no matter what the game situation is. It results in utter stupidity. Guys like Palmer and Cutler are the same way. Except I think Eli is basically elite or just below elite at every other aspect of the game.

This as opposed to a player like Smith, who will take absolutely 0 risks, and often settles for too many easy passes when it was far more beneficial to take a little risk with more at leas some reward behind them.

Alex needs to move from 2nd gear up to 3rd or 4th in those. Eli needs to lower from 5th to 3rd or 4th.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, P Manning or Brady

Wouldn’t play against Alex Smith. They would play against Willis, Bowman, Aldon, Justin, McDonald, Goldson, Culliver,etc… The way the 9er’s focus is on improving, there is every possibility of them being a SB caliber team by the time that opportunity arises. I would not bet against them.

When's the last time a 3-4 had two inside guys who played all three downs?

by whatsURdeal on Oct 19, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're missing the point

There’s a pretty simple trend that great QB’s win super bowls. The reason is that even the best defenses can’t stop great passers every game. The best comp is Eli, because even the most glowing assessment of Alex would not put him in the class of those QB’s.

No one though Eli could beat Romo and Favre on the road, and then Tom Brady in the super bowl. But he played at a high level in all those games while their D and running game dominated. No one will think Alex can do it either until he does.

Thats what analysts mean when they say the 49ers are a QB away from the Super Bowl.

by hammystyle on Oct 19, 2011 12:28 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Funny.....

A. Smith didnt have a super high Rodgers-Brady-Breesesque performance in the TB game…although you couldnt tell that from the score…hehe

by Hesperia9er on Oct 19, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

he actually did

by rate and efficiency, not by counting. He racked up great stats in the first 1/3rd of the game, then they just ran the ball.

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by zenbitz on Oct 19, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats a good thing

Alex Smith will keep proving the doubters wrong. as long as his team and us real 9ER fans are supporting him and rooting for him, he will keep playing really well for us.

Coach Harbaugh is the truth!!

by chris z on Oct 19, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Every QB has the opportunity to be a Pro Bowl QB, they just have to play like it....

Alex Smith is playing like that this year………

Also, I would like to point out that Smith has a 95 QB rating and an 8 – 2 TD to INT ratio and that was against the hardest part of the schedule…….Playing 2 games against the Cardinals and the Rams….Smith should have some good games there.

The hardest game left on the schedule is at the Ravens…..The Harbaugh Bowl will be tough.

They do play Pitt, but that is at home and Smith plays better at home….(see Tampa Bay 48-3)

by ericalancanty on Oct 19, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

ALEX SMITH IS NOT A PRO BOWL QB

 I know I’m jumping into a shark tank with this, but I don’t think he’s got nearly the abilities of some other QBs in this league.

Has he made great decisions this year? Yes. Has he played game winning football? Yes. Can the Niners go to a SB with Alex? Yes.

I disagree with the Pro Bowl statement because I think Pro Bowl QBs are wow! QBs. Vick is a Pro Bowl QB, Flacco, Ryan, Stafford…..those guys throw ropes, they throw on the run, they chuck the ball down field…way down field. Alex does not. What makes Alex a more viable starter is that he plays within his game (at least this year, he has)- he’s better off just making the small passes that this scheme is predicated on. Alex is not capable of making the kind of plays that go outside of the framework of his offense. It’s why FF playing, ESPN watching, Non-Niner fans don’t think he’s all that great….because he’s not hilight material. He won’t win any fantasy pools. He won’t be on the cover of any EA products any time soon.

We’ve been in this discussion w/ the Lions fans. And we want to lump Al into the elite category if we can….am I right? And the truth is, we can. Alex has made the plays, this year, when they’re needed. It’s why Brady is so damn good. He can make the plays when the team needs it. Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Rothls….these are the guys that have the crazy abilities + the killer instinct that seems to thrive under pressure. They’re elite because they have both. Giant gonads and freakish abilities.

Alex sits in his own little niche. Giant gonads and limited skillset. Lets face it…he has horrible accuracy. Alex occasionally throws a beautiful pass, but it takes 15 ducks worth of failed attempts to get there. He still hasn’t learned to use his legs. How often do you see him move the pocket? Does he throw receivers open? Hell no.

Alex has been through a lot in his career. His character has been tested. He’s been amazing through it all. A level head, good leadership. He’s winning games off the field. And now he’s winning on the field. And his character will be tested as this team tries to continue its winning ways. I think it’s the perfect preparation for a super bowl run. But a trip to hawaii….I just don’t see it

by t p on Oct 19, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

i disagree, I'm not saying Smith is Montana or Young.......

But Montana and Young lived off the short ball. It was their system and then they threw downfield when the D got soft. Montana was never known to have a cannon of an arm…….a good arm, but Flacco would put his arm to shame……..Montana would make Flacco look like a child when it came to playing the game.

This is Smith’s 6th game in this system, and every week they let him do more and more.
Why do I hear people say that he has the weakest arm in the NFL….it just isn’t true, I’ve seen Smith throw some deep balls.

The only thing Smith has against him at this point is public perception….they just wouldn’t vote him in…even if he deserved it.

by ericalancanty on Oct 19, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

well the perception doesn't help him

but you don’t get anointed a pro bowler in my book without at least a whole SEASONS’ worth of pro-bowl play.

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by zenbitz on Oct 19, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah yes

This too.

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by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, if he sucks the rest of the season....no Pro Bowl, maybe no team

But if he continues to play like he has, I could see a Pro Bowl and a new contract.

Smith has always had the tools to be a great QB, just never the confidence in himself, I see that changing. I hope it continues.

by ericalancanty on Oct 19, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alex Smith ain't makin' the pro bowl, whether he deserves it or not ( he doesn't )

it’s weighted like
30% TD minus Ints
30% Passing Yards
30% Past Performance/Popularity
10% Team Success

Rogers, Brees and then the QB of the NFC East winner Eli/Romo/Vick

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

you could have used better examples

because montana and young won superbowls before becoming elite QBs. They also had abilities that aided their games….great feet, the ability to lead their receivers into wide open field, throw with touch and with zest. They threw some wildly effective screen passes. such a seemingly simple play that alex just can’t seem to figure out.

You’re right. Alex is 6 games deep, and so far, so good. He’s got a long way to go. At this rate, he could be the complete QB by season’s end. But he’s got to get over a lot of QB hurdles before he gets there.

by t p on Oct 19, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

 Joe Montana 1981 16 games 13-3-0 record 311 com 488 att 63.7% 3565 yards 19 TD 12 INT 222.8 YPG 88.4 QB Rating 6.2 yards att.

These are the number for Montana in his 1st SB season, the 3rd season in the WCO

Alex Smith is on pace to repeat these number this year. His 1st in the WCO, I will not count his rookie year….it was bad.

by ericalancanty on Oct 19, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

all stats are inflated these days

it’s easier to pass and thus teams pass more often.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

makes you think

how hard that was for Marino to pass 5k! I know a lot of yards were put up on weak teams but still. Dan was the man.

by mcwagner on Oct 19, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

until

he ran into the 49er defense in the Super Bowl!!

I have no idea who our future is.

by SoDak9er on Oct 19, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He was great, but he could never just play high percentage football

he loved the big play ball a bit too much, very much like Elway for much of his career, and Favre for his entire career.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like Smith

And I wish him well. I also think he looks good/better this season, and can still improve.

That said, I think your assessment is fairly accurate. We don’t NEED him to be a Pro Bowler at the moment- we just need him to be solid, smart, and occasionally clutch.

The one place where I might disagree with you is that he IS starting to throw receivers open a bit better. Not a lot yet, but it’s there in glimmers this season, where it hasn’t really been before. Except for VD, but he’s so hard to bring down, it’s debatable who the credit for their 2009 season together goes to.

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by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

ESPN

Do I need to turn them down if they ever approached me?

by David Fucillo on Oct 19, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Depends

If your job is to follow Tim Tebow, I would turn it down

by mcwagner on Oct 19, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oops ...

… or a Fucillo away … :)

by LondonNiner on Oct 19, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

depending on the level of QB obviously

I think there’s basically 3 tiers of productive QBs in the NFL and Alex is on the 3rd tier

I think they max out as an average offense with a 3rd tier QB, max out as around the 7-12th offense with a 2nd tier QB.

who else is hoping Oliver Luck steers Andrew to the 49ers? throws log on fire

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Total biased statement from ESPN. As usual. Alex Smith did bring the Niners back from their 23-3 halftime deficit at Philidelphia with 2 clutch touchdown passes and Frank Gore giving the final killshot. So this year, Smith hasn’t totally lost a game for us or made numerous bozo mistakes. Besides for that Cowboys game, but that was the 2nd game of the season and the team has much improved from then to now.

by sj_sharkie12boy on Oct 19, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

they are biased of course

as are you, and I, and everyone

but yes, their two most talent deprived positions right now are QB and OT. If you gave them a QB who could make 5 or 6 more plays a game, they’d be much much better.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

True!

They are at least 4-5 regular season wins and 2-3 play off wins from even PLAYING in the SB.

Is Alex Smith a playoff-winning calibre QB? In the Trent Dilfer sense – absolutely. The defense and special teams have been playing well enough to win with a Game Manager…. and Smith-vs-Detroit was not even a good game manager (2 turnovers).

If Smith plays more like he did vs. Tampa Bay than the rest of the season – then yeah, he’s a good QB. But mostly he’s average.

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by zenbitz on Oct 19, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

qb

i think alex is playing well but that doesnt mean i wouldnt look to upgrade the position this offseason. i would still look into extending smith but if theres a franchise guy in the draft id try and get him

by mikec49 on Oct 19, 2011 9:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

I always thought the real problem was the HC/OC situation, but a franchise-type QB would have been able to overcome that, and I’m pretty sure Alex isn’t that, although we’ll see where he stands at the end of the year as he grows more comfortable in this system.

I think we already have our future in Kap, he put together some nice throws when he came in at the end of the TB game. Hopefully this turns into a Brees/Rivers situation where you can’t go wrong with either guy.

by znk916 on Oct 19, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am going to see what Harbaugh does

He will have this entire year to see what he has in CK, working with him in practice and a few mop up games. If he is happy with him then he will not trade up for a QB. If he is not happy – he will being looking. I am willing to see what Harbaugh thinks after this season.

by Beamer1960 on Oct 19, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

CK hasn't missed a pass yet

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Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.

by manraj7 on Oct 19, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get all the Kap love.

Like yes, but love… I’m not there. I think eventually he could be a Vick type QB, great runner who can zing it, but I believe his development arc is longer than some are presuming. Unless he gets hurt, Alex is going to start and finish most games this year. Kap will grow a lot in the off-season, but I don’t think there’s anyway he’s ready before the ‘13 season. That’s why I’m so happy about ASmith’s development so far (see post below). The perfect scenario is two or three years of ASmith running the team, and a nice hand-off to Kap after that. I hate when promising QBs get their psyches (and sometimes their knees…) wrecked by being thrown in too soon.

by mwright84 on Oct 19, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

people will jump on whomever hte 49ers have that isn't tested yet

so that’s understandable

it’s hard to “love” a 2nd round QB who hasn’t played yet, as a player anyway.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

The backup QB

is usually one of the most popular men in town, warranted or unwarranted.

That is, unless, your team has one of the few bona fide stars at the position. SF does not, although he’s certainly playing his best ball so far this season…

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by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I trust Harbaugh

and I trust he’s not sold on Kap yet, either. He’s a work in progress. hope he gets there.

by mwright84 on Oct 19, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

it was really discouraging to see Kaep look so out of it in the pre-season

then see a guy like Mallet look good, and then ultimately Dalton look pretty good for a rookie in regular season action.

I think unlike most people, I liked most of the QBs in the draft. The only guy I didn’t like was Locker, and I put ponder slightly below the other 3. I’m happy they have Kaepernick, but I just wonder if he isn’t 2 more years away while Mallet or Dalton are basically ready to play right now.

Patriots will probably try to swing Hoyer for a mid rounder in the off-season. Don’t like him though.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dalton and newton looked lost in preseason

Colt McCoy looked like next big thing. Don’t overthink it.

by hammystyle on Oct 19, 2011 12:37 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Remember last year? Perfect example!

Everyone was screaming for David Carr… Yeah… How’d that work out?

We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

by Echo6.JH on Oct 19, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

Intelligent football fans weren’t

by Virginia9er on Oct 19, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone who followed the situation knew better

We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

by Echo6.JH on Oct 24, 2011 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

We won't see C.K start for the Niner's full time for years ...!!

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by Edggy on Oct 19, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

hush

no one asked for details

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Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.

by manraj7 on Oct 19, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

This time last year

we were dancing in the streets because of our first win in a close game against the Raiders. Amazing, huh? We had collectively turned on Sing and wondering if tanking for Luck was the next step.

by mcwagner on Oct 19, 2011 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

We could trade up for him but we won’t have much bargaining power as we’ll only hold the 32nd pick.

by LondonNiner on Oct 19, 2011 10:16 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions   1 recs

We don't need Luck

1) He’s gonna be good, but I don’t think he’s going to be Peyton Manning/TB good.
2) I like your optimism with the 32nd pick.
3) We got the more important person from Stanford’s 2010 football squad.
4) I’m curious to see who ends up with the rights to him, and to see what they do- I’d argue if you could trade him for a king’s ransom in picks, that might be the better move. What if it’s the Colts?

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by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

colts

if pm came back healthy and they had multiple first rnd picks to upgrade the oline and defense that team could be very scary. they would have to pay their vets aswell. i think they should of traded one of them imo mathis of wayne…… wayne would of looked goood in red and gold

by mikec49 on Oct 19, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I keep thinking about the same, just how bad it was last year

That I went into the season knowing it was just going to go really bad really quickly and then every worst fear coming true, including winning meaningless games in the middle of the season.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

As a long time Alex agnostic, I am now officially declaring myself a supporter.

The Heard says the "niners are a “QB away from a Super Bowl”, and my response is, “Ok, and Alex Smith is a step away from being that QB”. The point is, he’s still growing. I don’t think we’ve seen it all from him yet. He’s had barely two months working with Harbaugh, and already the change is pretty amazing – fewer mistakes (his TD to INT ratio, his management of the WCO, etc), better footwork, better pocket presence, better location on his passes (especially the out route). There are two and a half months left in the season, maybe three given how the team is playing, and he’s being coached up every week by Hardballs. So while people are talking about Alex and evaluating him as if he’s a finished product, and what you see if what you’ll get… I think that’s really missing the whole picture. He’s not the QB today he’s going to be in December, not under Harbaugh and Chryst. And as I posted elsewhere, I expected him to regress here and there across the season, and then excel, and that’s still what I expect. If Detroit was a regression, I’m willing to bet here that we’ll see a huge step forward against Cleveland. While the rest of the team is flying home for a deserved bye week break… Alex was out throwing to the rooks yesterday, under Harbaugh’s supervision. He has a fire in him this year, and he knows he finally has a coach and a system that will allow him to show what he can do. He’s been called a bust for six years, and now, with FA coming up for him at the end of the season, he has a chance to elevate his reputation, and his paycheck, exponentially. I’ve never been an Alex lover or hater, but I’m definitely moving to the “like” side of the fence – I especially admire his toughness – and I have a very strong feeling we’re only seeing the beginning of the transformation. Just as Harbaugh opened up his offense the past few weeks (even while claiming he wasn’t, love that man), watch him open up Alex across the second half of the season. We aint seen nothin’ yet…

by mwright84 on Oct 19, 2011 10:12 AM PDT reply actions  

it's hard for me to ignore the portions of his game that he just completely lacks

we’re seeing about the maximum production they can get out of him, and the offense is pretty poor.

I respect the man. As a player, the 49ers need to move to the next level whenever possible ( always a daunting task, finding a franchise QB )

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

but do we know for certain he lacks that part of his game?

in other words, is it possible there is still more of his game to emerge? That was sort of the point of my post – I now believe there is more to Alex than we’ve seen – just as Harbaugh and his staff have elevated other players’ game on the roster (Walker, ADavis, Brooks, McDonald, e.g.), I believe they are still working on hm. Why do we assume we’ve seen the most we’re going to see out of Alex? Isn’t it possible he still has room to grow? You might be right, and his upside is simply limited and what we see is what we’ll get, but I now believe there is more “there” there, and Harbaugh isn’t done developing him.

by mwright84 on Oct 19, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

yea, because the parts of his game that he lacks are general

they’re not scheme based. he doesn’t have the arm to make the more difficult throws, he doesn’t have the accuracy/anticipation to make deep throws consistently, doesn’t have great pocket presence.

Can he make improvements across his game? Yes, can he ever be great in those areas? I don’t think so. I think the 49ers can get more out of him, and it would help if they got better pass blocking, and if they get a little higher play out of their WRs.

Because I don’t think that there are any complete teams in the NFL this year, those improvements could put them in position to beat top teams, but as a long-term plan, they need a better QB.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can agree with most of that

but I’m not convinced Alex can’t be a top ten QB. I think if he isn’t there by the end of the year under Harbaugh’s tutelage, I’ll agree with you. And if he does reveal himself to be as limited as you say, then the question is, do they draft/acquire another QB, or start the move to Kap? No way to know at this point in the season. I think we can agree that yes, they need better QB play to go deep in the post season – for me the question is how to get that better QB play – an improved Alex, Kap, or someone …. out there.

by mwright84 on Oct 19, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

always play the best man

If we can get a better LB than Patrick Willis, I would like him. Its just what are you willing to give up for them. Let the best man win.

by mcwagner on Oct 19, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

"a better LB than Patrick Willis"

Such a thing does not exist sir!

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by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I get your point

but that doesn’t make sense to me. I get what you’re saying, but you don’t draft in the early rounds to improve a position that doesn’t need improving. And right now, QB isn’t the issue for us that may need addressing. I think the secondary and maybe OLine will get looked at before QB.

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by Blank x2 on Oct 19, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

does any1 think

Alex’s #‘s would be that much different IF we had Morgan & Braylon for the rest of the season? We’re getting Braylon back soon, but Morgan is done for the year, unfortunate as that is.

I would think so…not having Morgan and Braylon against Detroit did have some adverse affects on the quality of Alex’s play…but he was clutch in the end despite that.

I think there’s still upside in Alex that we haven’t seen yet…in the WCO anyway. Maybe not pro-bowl caliber this year…but I see potential. I couldn’t say that w/Nolan or Singletary. Of course, neither of them had a clue what an offensive scheme looked like. Harbs does and I’m willing to give Alex the benefit of the doubt in this system

by Doni S on Oct 19, 2011 2:06 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

oh I think Alex can be a top 10 QB as well

but only because I have downgraded QBs across the league this year. It’s turning out that there’s just stat inflation. It’s still very clear who the QBs are that can make defenses pay for getting out of position, or pay for bringing in 3rd string corners and safeties.

There was another discussion a few days ago, and I see no reason why Alex can not be a 2nd tier QB. 2nd tier QBs might make 1 run in the playoffs. They might make 1 or 2 pro-bowls. But they do not bring consistency. They do not elevate the team, they merely must prevent the team from going astray.

Flacco, Ryan, Fitzpatrick 2nd tier QBs

Then there are 2nd tier QBs who have the potential to be top tier, if they could only be consistent. Cutler, Rivers, Eli. Heck even Brees is playing more like a 2nd tier QB following their super bowl win.

Only 2 true top tier QBs in the league this year. Brady and Rogers. Roethlisberger might get an asterisk as the 3rd, guy just finds a way to consistently make big plays.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously I hate the argument that he can't make the more difficult throws

when he’s demonstrated very clearly this year that he has and he’s done it consistently.

I might buy your argument about pocket presence if the fans weren’t so contradictory on what they want from him. “He leaves the pocket too soon!” “No, he stays in too long and takes a sack!” “Leaves too early!” “Stays too long!” Early! Long! Early! Long!

Quite frankly it’s ridiculous and unless you can come up with a.) examples of him missing the the difficult throws (and what you mean by that exactly), b.) examples of him not having arm strength for deep throws (and what you mean by that), and c.) what you mean by “pocket presence” (and examples to support that) I’ll ignore this criticism and every other criticism of him.

I can remember getting ripped apart at the beginning of the season for daring to suggest that Gore might have lost a step but at least I backed that up with specific examples. I’ve yet to see any of Alex Smith’s detractors do the same.

by smileyman on Oct 19, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

We have 6 years of tape

He has no quick release dart throw, so his throws are completely powerless unless he has time to set his feet and throw with that full scoop throwing motion he does. He can’t make accurate dig throws, they rarely even try them because of it. He struggles mightily to throw balls over the linebackers and under the safeties without sailing them high because he lacks the touch.

and for the record I am NOT an Alex hater, this is just how it is.

Pocket presence is many things. He’s always been too cavalier with the ball when linemen are getting close to him, partly because he brings the ball too low in general. He’s never able to feel that level that defensive ends can get around the tackles just by speed, this hurts the most against wide 9 defenses like Philly and Detroit. Where you’d see a guy like Rogers immediately step up and escape to the side of the rusher. Alex sits expecting his tackle to make the block. If he had pro-bowl tackles it’d be one thing, but he never has.

Quite frankly
ridiculous
I’ll ignore this criticism and every other criticism of him.

This isn’t high school. If you want to ignore my posts, go forth. I think we can discuss like adults. I don’t feel the need to put 10 examples in every post about Alex, much of it has been discussed hundreds of times. I’m only reiterating it now because there’s a growing wave of over-indulgence in this idea that he has been playing like a top 5 QB, when he simply hasn’t.

Many of his same flaws are still there. His biggest improvements have been that he hasn’t been forcing balls as often, and Harbaugh has given him a dozen short passing plays to go along with a few new clever running plays.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's a dig throw?

I played a lot of football growing up (including a very bad stint at QB before I was more appropriately labeled an outside linebacker…) and i have no idea what a dig throw is. I’ve heard it referenced before, though, so would love to know.

And you know, I still thinking you’re closing the book on Alex too quickly. You’re making really interesting, insightful observations, I just don’t believe that these weaknesses you’re identifying – e.g. no touch, can’t drop balls in between the LBs and safeties (a must against the cover 2), ball handling – are permanent. I’ve seen him make the touch throw well – I’ve seen him zip the ball on a slant with great velocity – I’ve seen him feel a rush and step up – I’ve seen him do all the things you’re saying he can’t do (again, except a dig throw – I don’t know what that is so I can’t say he’s done it), I just haven’t seen him do it consistently. Before this season I can say I almost never saw him throw the back shoulder/out route with any skill – now, go figure, he’s throwing that one well. So that tells me he’s capable of doing these things you’re saying he can’t, he just needs to prove it he can do most of the time. So again I’m back to a wait and see…. with a growing belief that under Harbaugh’s tutelage, he’ll grow into a QB who does all those things so consistently, we come to expect it. It’ll be fun to check back in with each other, if we remember, at the end of the season to see how this all turns out.

by mwright84 on Oct 19, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven't closed the book on him, I think he can be a 2nd tier QB

but he’s not yet, and even if he was teams should always have their eye out for a tier 1 guy.

Anyway, dig route is like a long hook. Usually down the side line. It’s generally a read route based on corner position. Best thrown with a lot of velocity on the back shoulder.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

agree, that is his toughest throw. he tends to sail it.

but he throws the slant and the seam with great confidence, and for the first time this year, he’s throwing the out pretty well too.

by mwright84 on Oct 19, 2011 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

be careful with your verbiage

A “dig route” can apparently have many route meanings if anyone uses what your calling it. Played a WR in college and we used the term dig or 2 level dig as what was essentially a 10-12 yard in route with the 2 level being two cuts a slant to an in as opposed to the one cut dig. The difference in the use of the 2 sometimes depends on a 3 step or 5 step drop because the 2 level takes a little longer to develop, and sometimes offenses use it to set up a TE post or streak route because you tend to pull the coverage…the goal is to find the soft spot behind the linebackers who you should be faster than anyhow, if he runs with the TE it’s really wide open if he doesnt and the safety picks up the TE then it sets you up with a lead blocker as you cut upfield after the catch… so Im not saying your wrong Im just saying these are some of the language things people hear about from one system to the next

by Justin Heim on Oct 19, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is tough

And, by all accounts, a very decent human being.

Like you, and most of the fanbase, I’ve struggled for years over the fact that, whatever he is, he’s not likely to ever be exceptional.

However, with the exception of the Detroit game (and everyone is allowed a bad game), he’s improved a lot this season. Particularly once he REALLY knows the offense, the rest of the team does too, and he has VD, Crabs, Edwards, and DW to throw to, I think we might see him move into the tier of “above average” quarterbacks, say, top dozen in the league.

That, combined with the rest of what we got, is enough for me until CK7 is ready to go. In the meantime, I am happy for Alex, AND happy for the team.

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by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

paragraphs are our friends

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by MichaelClutchtree on Oct 19, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alex had a poor game

but a good season. The injuries to two top receivers has obviously hurt. Had hopes for the Az St. kid but he hasn’t shown up yet.
Passing game should improve as season advances. Just stay away from those high middle passes.

by oldfoggy on Oct 19, 2011 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

cheap shot but...

the injured receivers were 9 feet tall?

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by zenbitz on Oct 19, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a cheap shot

but a reasonable point.

Crabtree should have a conversation with Alex where he says “you see me standing here in front of you? That’s how tall I am. I don’t get magically taller when we take the field.”

It was nice to see some chemistry between those two in Detroit.

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by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

i honestly think that

it’s because crabtree is his fail safe. therefore he throws it up where he can fight for it… a lot may be route adjustments and miscommunication, especially on the overthrows

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by Joshpreet on Oct 19, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is such an important point/observation

why does he tend to sail them to Crabtree, but not to his other receivers? What is that? I keep waiting for someone to ask Harbaugh or Alex himself that in a presser…

by mwright84 on Oct 19, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mon. interview with Grant Cohn

Q: You were throwing high early on, what was going on there?

ALEX SMITH: I think a couple of them… there were a few, for different reasons. A couple, yeah, I think just missed balls.
I think a couple all of a sudden, that type of game, where… I was determined at some points I wasn’t going to take a sack. I wasn’t going to take an unnecessary sack.
So me getting rid of the ball and over a receiver, near a receiver and an incompletion is better than taking a sack and risking something like that.
But no question a couple of them for sure, just missed throws. Have to be more accurate. A couple of times.

Q: Were you not setting your feet?

ALEX SMITH: Yeah, you know what? I think for sure, to answer it, yeah. I think when I’m decisive with my feet and eyes, as I look back at the film, I’m throwing accurate balls. The couple of times when my eyes and feet aren’t as decisive and my feet aren’t as good, that’s when you see more inaccuracy, no question.

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by whatsURdeal on Oct 19, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know it's only 6 games in

but the past decade really had been pretty awful to be a 49ers fan. They were almost a constant disappointment and every season I kept coming back for more.

So yeah, we’re not even halfway through the season yet, but it’s starting to all feel worth it.

I’m proud of this team, damn proud. It’s been a long time since I’ve felt that way.

And although the time leading up to this was really shitty, I’m glad I stuck with them because it makes it all the more enjoyable.

GO NINERS!

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by PNK on Oct 19, 2011 10:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Smith had a POOR game...I keep hearing that..........a 60 rating, lowest of the year.

But I remember a TD pass that Walker dropped that Smith made a great throw on. I also remember a long pass on the right sideline that hit Crabs in both hands….the ball went just inches over the defender and Crabs short armed it and let it go by…..

Those two passes are the difference between a 60 rating and an 80 rating.

Smith came through in the CLUTCH, and this wasn’t the first time this year.

by ericalancanty on Oct 19, 2011 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

There was also the potential TD pass to the right of Ginn that Ginn stumbled and couldn't catch.

Smith could have had three more TDs in this game

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by Eastbayjim on Oct 19, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

very little stumble though, Smith led him too far in

With 1v1 coverage and corner turned, could afford a little more risk knowing Ginn would have the first play on the ball.

Also that Walker TD pass is a good microcosm of Alex. Just enough ability to extend the play, but then throws a poor ball. Walker should have caught it, but an accurate QB that can whip that thing into Walker’s chest makes it so much less likely to be dropped.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

The throw to Ginn was perfect

He was throwing him open, to a spot only Ginn could get to, if he doesn’t stumble it is an easy 6, watch the tape.

by Virginia9er on Oct 19, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

Maybe the one of the best throws me made all day, maybe the best, and it was incomplete.

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by Blank x2 on Oct 19, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've watched it a bunch of times

even if he didn’t stumble he wasn’t going to catch it

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's the deal on QBs--

Bradford had 321 yards last week
Stafford had 293 yds last week.
Romo had 317 yds last week.
Brees had 381 yds last week

THEY ALL LOST.

A Smith had 125 yds
Rothlisberger had 200 yds.
Sanchez had 201 yds.
Vick had 237 yds.

THEY ALL WON.

Don’t live by the fantasy football stats. The Win/Loss column is all that matters.

I have no idea who our future is.

by SoDak9er on Oct 19, 2011 11:21 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

interesting

maybe a reverse trend in the NFL of reducing passing yards. Perhaps the game is evolving to ball control and TOP

by mcwagner on Oct 19, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

it takes 20+ solid starters/contributers to play a ball control offense and solid enough defense

only takes 1 play making QB, some generic WRs and a line that understands the scheme to pass the crap out of the ball. The Packers can win games consistently in which the defense absolutely sucks and they can’t run to save their lives.

The Patriots defense and running games have gotten progressively worse the last 3 years ( and wasn’t particularly good when they went UNDEFEATED ).

The Colts have had a bad running game and defense for a decade.

These are some of the most successful teams of the past 5 years! Ball control is always better, but it takes so much more than what it takes to have a great passing offense to consistently win 10+ games and maybe make a run in the playoffs.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would argue

that a top tier playmaking QB is harder to get than 24 quality players that understand their assignments. The years before that needed a top-notch defense, the years before that needed a good run game. The trends are always changing and it is best to get a jump on the next one.

by mcwagner on Oct 19, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is defintiely harder to find a top tier QB

that being said, it’s much easier to find a 2nd tier play making QB and just hope that he gets hot on a playoff run.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you see Peyton against the Jets in the Playoffs?

The Jets just ran it down their throats and kept Peyton off the field and made it an easy victory. Ball control and turnover ratio is always key. That is why the Patriots have lost in the playoffs without a good defense.

by huston345 on Oct 19, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Passing yards are sexy....nobody talks about D...

So let the Romos and Brees’ throw for three football fields….and let the well balanced teams throw for 125-225 yards…with a W in the W-L Column

by Hesperia9er on Oct 19, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Teams will play to their strength

I think it’s pretty well defined that if you have a good run game, it’s better to run than pass. Running produces more consistent plays, less turnovers, results in less injuries, shortens the game, and gives your defense more rest.

200-250 yards will always be good enough in game where the offense can control the clock and the defense doesn’t suck.

It just so happens that in the modern NFL, if the defense does suck or have a bad game, and the running game doesn’t function, big play QBs can make up for it ( some more consistently than others ) to win games they should have lost. Looking back at the playoffs the last few years, you can pick plenty of such games out in the playoffs that have often resulted in the best regular season/all-around team going home early.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

to summarize, the best NFL strategy is to play ball control football and great defense

and have a play-making QB behind center just in-case you need it.

Patriots of the 00s, Cowboys of the 90s, 49ers of the 80s and 90s, Steelers of the 70s. It’s the model for dynasties.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Playmaking QB is underselling it.

Great defense, ball control offense and first ballot HOF QB is the way to a dynasty.

by hammystyle on Oct 19, 2011 12:48 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Steeler fans who "suffered" through the 90's

would like a word with you on that.

n.b. I put suffered in quotes because on the one hand, they won a TON of games. On the other hand, they kept losing crushing ones in January.

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by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

a word with me on what?

that it isn’t the best long-term strategy?

They didn’t have a play-making QB behind center, they had Neil O’Donnel.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

passing

reminds me of the cards in their playoff runs

by mikec49 on Oct 19, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

yup, the quick fix in the NFL is to take advantage of the passing rules

it’s the correct play to go from being terrible to good.

Long-term if you’ve drafted well and payed efficiently, you can have a solid team all around and stay good even when the schedule gets hard, when players get hurt, and when another team snipes your free agents.

To make runs in the playoffs though.. man, I still think you need that big play QB in the wings.

by whistlingmountain on Oct 19, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

eh now

give Special Teams some love too…we aren’t 5-1 w/out them…

by Doni S on Oct 19, 2011 2:13 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

yes

total passing (well, rushing too) yards is misleading. Like the RBI of football stats. But there are other stats that indicate how well a QB played

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by zenbitz on Oct 19, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your stats are meaningless

You cherry picked stats to make a point. Extrapolate those QB’s over 16 games and tell me which QB stat-wise wins more games. The 300 yard average QB’s or the 200 and below QB’s.

Like it or not, QB’s matter, a lot. The probability of a team with a elite QB winning the SB is far higher than a team with an average QB.

by cyph on Oct 19, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Drew Brees threw for 5,000 yards

and missed the playoffs. QB play is the best way to garuntee success. But how do we measure that? I can argue that if you have all of those passing yards it is because you are behind and need to cover the field quicker. Clutch play, limiting turnovers, and the ability to get those yards when needed will help better. There is no stat to really show us that besides the ol’ eyeball test.

by mcwagner on Oct 19, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is no gurantee in life

But a QB needs to be able to drive 80 yards down the field to score with 1:30 left. That situation is almost guaranteed to happen in the playoffs. The Brady’s and Rodgers will put up points, no matter how good your defense is. Overthrowing receivers will not going to do it.

by cyph on Oct 19, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good read.. I would only add these thoughts.

What I have seen to date is the ability of the team to produce a COMPLETE GAME. That is to say we can point to:

  • the improved play of Alex Smith, Frank Gore, and other veterans
    *the significant contribution from this years draft class.
  • We can point to the much improved performance of the offense (especially the line),
    *improved defense (especially the pass rush)

However each of these areas of the game has made an impact but is the combination of these improvements that have created the team we see today.. As examples you see that Smiths improvements can be traced to the improved pass protection on the front line, but can also be attributed to the improved running game, because without a run game the passing game will soon stall due to coverage and pass rush by opposition defense… likewise the running attack is dependent on improved run blocking, and the viable passing game forcing the opposition defense to plan for and expect both. As noted the special teams are making their contribution felt because they can account for field position (good for us based on punt and kick returns and bad for opponents due to Lee’s punting and great coverage,
So as is often stated this is a team game that makes hitting on cylinders a must to produce a winning edge the team that we see today…

by WC-Ninerhead on Oct 19, 2011 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Alex Smith....

Yes – he is much improved this year (thank you Harbaugh).
Yes – I think he will continue to improve over time, specifically with his accuracy, mobility and leading receivers to open area…..for the longest time (and multiple offenses) he hasnt really had a chance to excel. Albeit, his numbers arent like the big names to date. But he is part of a winning team. In fact, during a huge road win (Detroit), he threw the winning TD on a 4th and Goal with little time left.
No – I would never compare Smith to the likes of Montana or Young. But HE is developing into a ‘Smith’!

by Hesperia9er on Oct 19, 2011 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I like this

Soon, being “a Smith” on the 49ers will be synonymous with being a consumate badass who makes opposing players crap themselves. Even Willis or Brooks could be “a Smith”!

The slang starts here. Use it the next time you are watching football with friends.

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by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Special teams are special

Ginn is a pro bowler, Andy Lee is a pro bowler, Akers is a pro bowler, and everyone else is playing great. They have a huge impact on why we are doing so well.

by mcwagner on Oct 19, 2011 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Great point

I would like a really good way to measure just how much having good field position due to Ginn’s returns and our punter ThunderLeg has affected our ability to control other aspects of the game. Having a nasty defense that it is hard to run against also helps.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Oct 19, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's not forget ...

That we have yet to see the full offensive play book. These first six weeks, we have seen an offense with training wheels and now we are going to BEGIN to see the big boy west coast offense.

by Leoniner on Oct 19, 2011 1:07 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

+1

I think we forget that Harbaugh’s just getting started. The team has improved significantly each week. And I suspect they will continue to do so. You could say except for offense the Detroit game, but they were playing in impossible circumstances and clearly had some bad luck.
The Cleveland game will a good barometer of how far up they’re going. If they handle Cleveland like Tampa, I’d say look out.

by hoosgow on Oct 19, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alex Smith

Alex has taken way to much flack for the 49ers woes over the years. When your a bad team your a bad team and that is exactly what the Niners were. The coaches were new every year the systems were different every year. Our secondary was horrible our o-line never protected any QB that was back there. I like Alex n always have and I believe that the difference this year is that the o-line is much better our secondary is much better our coaches are much better therefore Alex is better because the team as a whole is better. That’s the reason we get to the playoffs that’s the reason we may have a chance to play in a SB. I could care if he ever makes a pro bowl as long we continue to win that’s the stat that matters!

by sanfransuperfan on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Nice ...!!

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by Edggy on Oct 19, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alex Smith

Is making good reads and making the throws that the coaches have asked him to make in the scheme they are playing. The complexity of the throws are as hard as the plays have made them to be. I will be the first to say that at the start of the season I was a die-hard Kaepernick supporter. Mostly because I was putting the blame on Alex as a QB for all the hardships in San Francisco and not the coaches. I think that Alex has made some very good throws this year and he has even done a better job with his foot-work and escaping sacks. He could easily have 3 or 4 more strip-sacks, but he has done a really good job taking care of the ball. Everyone keeps mentioning the high pass to Crabtree, but you can’t blame him entirely. The only receiver that he hasn’t been able to get on track with thus far is Crabtree because of his injury. So far I think Alex is doing exactly what is necessary for this team. If the O-line would stop putting him in such poor situations with false-starts and holding penalties that are putting us in 3rd and long situations we would see even better numbers coming from him. Thus far in the season there have been quite a few drops which are also hurting his numbers. The way this offense and defense are built through field position and clock management Alex hasn’t been forced to put up huge numbers. There have been times (like the Eagles game) where he has shown that he is able to do so. He is coming through clutch and not letting some mistakes get him down. I am really sick of hearing this and that about the deep ball, his long release and throws he can’t make when every QB coach that has worked with him says he has all the mechanics to be a GREAT QB. I will take their word about throws he can and can’t make before I take any of yours. All in all I got much more than I was assuming with Alex and it has been a pleasant surprise. It has been great to see the Niners playing the way that they are and if we can take care of more of the stupid mistakes on offense with penalties and dropped balls we will see a much more explosive offense. The QB is going to make mistakes no matter what. No matter how good he is. Right now Alex is making less than some of the “Elite QB’s” People need to wake up and give him some props.

by huston345 on Oct 19, 2011 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

2011

score for clev game stats say 28-17 niners also did for gb if we played them now and and
sf 32 gb 27.
alex stll needs to improve, lots of dropped passes but 11-19 tb and 17 of 32 det is too low. either improve or throw to receivers that can catch “the ball”. backfield or te’s, still looking for more to fb (wco). question, does harbaugh know something about going from coast to coast that others don’t?
unbelievable , thank you harbaugh ,jim that is.

by libra45 on Oct 19, 2011 10:16 PM PDT reply actions  

300+ passing yards

throw the ball 50 times and get 300+ yards. walsh said something like, throw the ball more than 30 times and you probably lost the game.

by libra45 on Oct 19, 2011 10:54 PM PDT reply actions  

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