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Match-Up To Watch: 49ers Aldon Smith vs. Browns Joe Thomas

The San Francisco 49ers (5-1) are coming off their bye week, preparing to face the 3-3 Cleveland Browns in week 8 at Candlestick Park. From a broad perspective, the match-ups in this game seem overwhelmingly in favor of the 49ers, but there is one contest I am particularly interested in watching.

49ers rookie outside linebacker Aldon Smith will be facing off against All-Pro tackle, and arguably the best offensive lineman in the game, Joe Thomas. At 6'6, 312-pounds, Thomas has been the anchor that has held that Cleveland offensive line together. Whether it is in the run game or in pass protection, Thomas has been in a league of his own.

Meanwhile, in the Bay Area, a rookie has been making waves for a much improved 49ers defense. Smith, another freakish specimen at 6'5, 258-pounds, is off to an impressive start, winning back-to-back NFL Pepsi Rookie of the Week honors before the bye week and leading the Niners in sacks with 5 1/2.

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Niners defensive coordinator Vic Fangio has had Smith in multiple positions in the front seven, but more often than not, he is getting his reps on the right side -- parallel with where Thomas will be. Now while Fangio will likely move Smith around to get him free rushes at Colt McCoy, it will be interesting to see how he does against a true pro in Thomas.

Smith has a better supporting cast than Thomas; I think one of the keys to victory Sunday will be the 49ers dominating in the trenches. The play from Ray McDonald, Isaac Sopoaga, Ricky Jean-Francios and Justin Smith has been tremendous this season, and easily a major reason to the rookie's fast start.

Smith has a plethora of pass rush moves that seem to come in all different combinations. When he faces Thomas, Smith is going to need to learn real quick what works and what doesn't. There are a lot of factors that dictate Thomas having the edge in this match: experience, size and strength. But Smith may have some moves that Thomas may not be ready for; the youngster should look to use his balance, wingspan and speed to make up for what he lacks.

What we've seen from the first round pick thus far is that he has a knack for getting in the oppositions backfield. I doubt Smith is thinking about the names of the players in his way, and instead just focuses on creating havoc. It's still very early in his NFL career, but how he plays against Thomas and the Browns Sunday will be a great measurement to see where he's at.

Smith has heated up as the season progressed and the coaches began putting him in situations where he could succeed immediately. It will great to see if he can be a consistent contributor week to week, and how he performs coming off a bye.

 

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If I were Fangio...

I would line up A Smith at LDE in the nickel for this game. Don’t want to break his confidence by letting him get manhandled all day. Joe Thomas along with Jake Long are the best LT’s in the game. They don’t give up sacks and dominate in the run game. I would let Justin Smith deal with Thomas.

Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).

by crumpedup15 on Oct 27, 2011 7:47 AM PDT reply actions  

actually

I wouldnt mind seeing Aldon lined up against Thomas, what better way to find out how good you are or what you need to work on, than by lining up against Thomas.

by sundaysfinest on Oct 27, 2011 7:56 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I'd advise Fangio to keep doing what he's doing with Aldon.

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by grantmp on Oct 27, 2011 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

In order to be the best you have to play the best...

Aldon needs to go up against Thomas. Plain and simple. This will be a great barometer of where he’s at but more importantly, a learning experience.

by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Oct 27, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exacty

If we want Aldon to become the next great pass rusher he needs to go up against the best and Thomas is one of the best if not the best.

I believe in excellence. I believe in Alex Smith.

by 9er4Life on Oct 27, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

That’s actually one of my concerns for the back half of our season: We won’t be playing many teams that will make it to the play-offs so may not be as sharp when that first play-off game comes around.

by McTee on Oct 27, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by jbrown63 on Oct 27, 2011 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah yes, hide him like a little, weak child

That should really pump up his confidence.

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by marcello on Oct 27, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Strategy

That’s what it’s called. Line him up all over the place and see where he can be effective. If it’s LDE, or RDE, or LOLB, or ROLB, then that’s where you use him.

by madmatt on Oct 27, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lining him up in different places is different from hiding him

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by marcello on Oct 27, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd stick with what Fangio's been doing.

I want to see him go up with one of the best tackles in the league. If he has a successful game, then that will boost his confidence. If he doesn’t, then it will make him work even harder to get to to the level he, and everyone else, wants him to be at.

Besides, Justin Smith will be against their guard most of the game.

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by mikeinsp on Oct 27, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Figure it's going to be a big game for Brooks and McDonald

Let Joe Thomas and Alex Mack try to contain Sopoaga and the Smiths. The other side of their Oline is clearly the weak link. I expect both Brooks and McDonald to register at least a sack each.

by reedkrase on Oct 27, 2011 7:57 AM PDT reply actions  

stay away from Joe Thomas...

I’d be really interested to see what moves Aldon has that Joe Thomas “might not be ready for.” that sounds pretty optimistic.

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by dutra on Oct 27, 2011 8:17 AM PDT via iPhone app reply actions  

lol

I believe he learned that one from his high-school coach, inspector gadget.

by reedkrase on Oct 27, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: "Justin Smith eats your QB alive"

Death by Smith! Teams get to pick which one it shall be.

Let Aldon do what he’s been doing; Thomas is a phenomenal talent, but give him a taste, see what he does, and also remind him that there is still a long ways to go to be the best, even though he’s started off really well!

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by lottwasgangsta on Oct 27, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm interested to see Aldon against Thomas 1-on-1

Thomas is the best in the game, but don’t we want to know if we have one of the best in the game also? If Smith can get past Thomas and into the backfield to force some rushed throws even, I’d say that’s a win for a rookie with a lot of room to develop still. Looking at it from that perspective, in two more years we could realistically believe that Thomas will need help to stop Smith from getting after the QB.

None of that matters though because Thomas is going to have to choose which Smith to block, Justin or Aldon. Something tells me it’s going to be Aldon and Justin is going to blowing passed their LG all day long.

by 9thevolution on Oct 27, 2011 8:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Looking forward to seeing this matchup.....

this will be an honest to goodness true test for just how good Aldon or any of our 9ers who go against Thomas are.

by BigMar on Oct 27, 2011 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Joe Thomas who? send in the clowns...ALL DAY LONG!!!

Even after the score is 63 points for SF…killer instinct is Aldon Smith…Let me ‘be unleashed’
Aldon Smith WILL get in and handle his bizz….unless of course the coaching decides to flip sides for him….

by Hesperia9er on Oct 27, 2011 9:41 AM PDT reply actions  

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by The Licensed Optimist on Oct 27, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve read that Aldon only plays in the nickel and dime packages. Do you think that will change this week? The Browns rarely go 3 wide, usually opting for double TE’s in obvious passing situations. This would seem to leave little opportunity for Aldon to even see the field. Is this a concern?

by TKilbane on Oct 27, 2011 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

He's still our best pass rusher...

He’ll be on the field in nickel situations and 3rd downs. Only time he wouldn’t be on the field outside of base defense is if we’re in a really long 3rd down and only rushing 3.

by 9thevolution on Oct 27, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

The 49ers use a lot of Nickle.

I think because Willis and Bowman are so great at stopping the run, the 49ers can use a Nickle defense more often than most other teams. That should get Aldon on the field quite a lot (more than 50% of defensive snaps i think).

by zacksf on Oct 27, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think at this point the 49ers are using Nickle significanltly more than “base”..

Since it is a passing league, that works to our advantage.

by zacksf on Oct 27, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

It depends on whether Haralson is healthy to start.

If not, I wouldn’t expect a whole lot of Aldon in our base.

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by mikeinsp on Oct 27, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he is, I wouldn't expect a lot of Aldon in the base.
If not

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by mikeinsp on Oct 27, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Aldon will be on the field 50% of snaps even if (when) Haralson is completely healthy. He may take a few of those on Ahmad’s side.

by zacksf on Oct 27, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the more interesting matchup

Is Joe Thomas versus Justin Smith on base downs.

by Ougadas on Oct 27, 2011 1:16 PM PDT reply actions  

True.

That will be very interesting.

by zacksf on Oct 27, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen Justin getting doubled all season long and I doubt that will change for this game, even with Thomas. When Aldon gets on the field it will be interesting because you can’t double them both.

by madmatt on Oct 27, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correct me if I am wrong here,

but I don’t think that Aldon Smith and Sopoaga are on the field at the same time. Aldon plays almost exclusively in the nickle, with a front four of Brooks, McDonald, J. Smith and A. Smith.

Perhaps for a few snaps against Detroit, but not often. I do agree that the intensity and high level of play of McD and J Smith have helped A Smith a lot!

Regarding where Aldon plays this week, moving him around is probably a good idea. DeMarcus Ware is moved a lot. If Aldon lines up on the left, then probably Parys or Ahmad would be on the right, opposite Thomas. I suppose other psyche type formations where he is neither left or right are possible, though I don’t know what SF has used those much this year.

by zacksf on Oct 27, 2011 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

From what I’ve seen of Aldon, he violently slaps OL’s hands out of the way and then speeds by them or bull rushes them. I’m curious to see what Thomas will do to counter this, and then what Aldon will do to counter what Thomas does. I hope Aldon has been studying his butt off all week.

Does anyone know how Thomas has done against guys in his division like Suggs, and Harrison, or maybe even Ware (if they’ve ever faced one another)? I guess I should ask DBN.

by madmatt on Oct 27, 2011 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Base vs nickle

Has anyone charted, game by game, on what percent of 1st downs the defense is in base vs nickle?

(2nd and 3rd as well?)

by zacksf on Oct 27, 2011 3:09 PM PDT reply actions  

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