49ers Vs. Browns: Will Frank Gore Get His 110 Yards?
by James Brady on Oct 28, 2011 8:01 AM PDT
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PrintIf you guys hadn't heard, Frank Gore is just 110 yards away from moving into second place on the 49ers all-time rushing list, at which point he'll pass Roger Craig and be within reach of Joe Perry at number one. We've been talking about it a lot, but what do you think are the actual chances of Gore getting 110 yards against the Cleveland Browns on Sunday?
Surely, barring injury, he'll be able to get it by season's end. If he doesn't, then I really fear for the 49ers first-place lead in the NFC West. Still though, what about this Sunday's game? What's the gameplan for San Francisco? Fortunately for Gore, providing he cares about the record, he's likely going to get plenty of carries. Even if he doesn't care about the record, really, Gore isn't happy unless Gore is fed.
And again - he should be fed. The Browns don't have a great rushing defense, and they have a strong passing defense. Joe Haden can be expected to lockdown any of the 49ers receivers, and Alex Smith hasn't really been throwing for big yardage anyway. Cleveland is currently allowing 119.5 rushing yards per game, which put them at 20th in the league in that regard. They've given up big games to Darren McFadden, Chris Johnson, Daniel Thomas and Cedric Benson this season.
So, what do you say? Does Gore get the yardage against the Browns?
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YES.
Purely for the fact that I will be at the game and I want to see it happen!!
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Gore
in the two times I’ve got to see Gore, he’s always rewarded me with big games. Sure, both came against the Lions, but that still counts! I hope he can do the same for you against the Browns. I’m feeling worried though, see something around the lines of 79 yards rushing (but with 2, count ’em 2 TDs).
by Andrew Davidson on Oct 28, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Good chance it happens
But I think it depends on how the OLine plays. If Goodwin is good to go and we get a performance from them like we have been getting in the run up to bye week you have to think that Frank has another good day.
I see him doing it.
Gore will have two 30yard plus runs helping him to around 140yards rushing, and a 9ers win
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What's going on with Goodwin?
First reported on Wednesday that he had a concussion, he’s limited in practice yesterday… I hope he’s back 100% on Sunday. I’d hate to see Snyder in at Center and Chilo at G again…
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you mean the ones that wanted him cut for RoJo for some reason
still perplexing.
by whistlingmountain on Oct 28, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
There may have been some overlap with the same people who wanted to bench Gore for Hunter after 2 games.
I still want to
We give Frank the credit for the big runs but the blunt truth is that we finally started opening holes that you could drive a family sedan through. Frank is unable to create for himself and is very poor at breaking tackles. He can lay a hit to finish off the run but he still goes down. And when he has nobody to beat — he’s easily run down from behind.
He’s slow, plodding, goes down easily, and only breaks a big run when the line blows a hole all the way into the secondary.
It’s no coincidence that our rushing game took off when we benched Chilo. We still haven’t seen much Hunter behind this line but behind the old one Hunter was able to break tackles and make something from nothing. I can’t wait to see what he could do with 25 carries behind our upgraded line.
Frank Gore is 5th in the NFC in rushing yards, and yards/carry
I mean, you are right that the offensive line play has improved, but I would argue that it’s still not exactly Nate Newton, Larry Allen, and Erik Williams opening those holes for him. You still have to be pretty good to put up numbers like that given where we’re at with the offense (which has been pretty underwhelming in a lot of ways).
What E-train said
Ougadas, I will agree with you that he’s lost a step, but in the NFL, even with a good line, you can’t suck and put up those sort of numbers.
He still breaks tackles (although we didn’t see it much the first game or two), and though he lacks top-end speed, the fact that he gets pulled down before reaching the end zone doesn’t take away from the fact that he picked up 30 or 40 yards on the run.
He’s in the twilight of a great and under-rated career, but he ain’t done yet.
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by lottwasgangsta on Oct 28, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
You do know that he almost lost his job, right?
And he only was returning kicks in week one due to an injury. They didn’t consider him their starting kick returner for a bit there, but then he broke a bunch of big ones.
Just saying that preseason speculation that he might be gone was warranted. There were definitely some haters that didn’t make sense, though. I personally was very dissatisfied with his work in 2010, but I wasn’t ready to demote him yet, either.
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by James Brady on Oct 28, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Give the man his due
I wasn’t specifically trying to single you out, James. I happen to have been a big supporter of his this pre-season when everyone else wanted to cut him for Lance Long, RoJo, or Ziggy. I took a lot of flack for that, and a lot of posters on here strongly disagreed with me.
But to be clear, I wasn’t talking about the coaching staff. We obviously have no control over what they do, or what decisions they make. Yes, they obviously know far more about football then you or I, but it doesn’t mean that they are incapable of making a bad decision. I think it’s pretty obvious now that it would have been a huge mistake to cut or demote Ted Ginn as our kicker returner.
Also, I don’t quite understand why you were dissatisfied with Ted Ginn last year, unless you are purely talking about his work as a WR (which I can obviously understand). I think he showed a lot on punt returns last year, and the second to last game against the Rams sticks out in my mind as one of his best performances.
Hasn't dropped a punt in a niners uniform...
Name the last punt returner we had that can lay claim to that…
No drops + good return average =
Single me out? I wasn’t really implying that, considering I like Ginn a lot.
My dissatisfaction toward Ginn last year was the fact that he constantly ran out of bounds on returns, something you can look up if you’d like. I’m not really arguing or anything, just pointing out that it would have been perfectly OK with being dissatisfied with Ginn, because the coaching staff was. He’s been really, really good this year and I think it’s equally irresponsible to use hindsight on people that doubted him.
Though I fully agree with you that several people were just haters and way out of line.
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They look bombed out and depleted. Frank the Tank will be bulldozin’ fools on Sunday
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by TryAndCatchVD on Oct 28, 2011 9:03 AM PDT via iPhone app reply actions 2 recs
I'm more interested in what the balance of carries will be
Gore should be 100% healthy by now, will they keep splitting carries evenly? ( I hope so, I think everyone benefited from it )
Also, are we going to see a lot of targets to VD after having so few against Detroit?
Will we see any over the top attempts?
The 49er offense is still mostly a mystery.
by whistlingmountain on Oct 28, 2011 9:16 AM PDT reply actions
there's no way that is the case
anything be held back right now ( and I do think things are being held back ) is because the offense has not been able to run it well enough in practice or because it’s a trick play.
Harbaugh is still trying to figure out how and where he can push the offense without it snapping and costing them games. Pretty soon he’ll have to start doing it either way. The offense has to improve, a lot, if they want to make a run in the playoffs. Can the offensive line get to a place where they can block well enough to preserve slow developing plays, can the receivers get open down field, can Alex hit them.
by whistlingmountain on Oct 28, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree..
We’ve shown flashes of being able to get down the field in a hurry, but most of the time our offense is… just very efficient but underwhelming.
I’m jealous of other teams like the Packers or Patriots. I would love to see Alex Smith with the ability to air it out to his WRs a little more often in combination with what we already have with our 2 TE sets, etc.,
I'm starting to dislike people referring to the offense as efficient
without the qualifier that it means that they are efficient when it comes to scoring points per yard.
They’re certainly not efficient when it comes to getting yards per play, or points per possession. They take advantage of short fields and seem to score once they get a drive going. I’d argue their results in that respect are way above the mean and will come back down to Earth. They need to get so much more consistent across the board on offense.
And yea, it’s hard not to be envious of those offenses. To some degree I wonder how much it is the QBs, how much it is the consistent long-term system filled with specific types of players that just fit in really well. I think the Pats would suffer greatly if Welker went down, but I don’t think there is any one player that would cause great concern for the Packers. Both Brady and Rogers are also great at being able to use their linemen to their advantage even when those linemen are getting beat in one direction or the other.
For the 49ers, and a lot of the poor offense teams, it generally seems that if just 1 lineman gets beat, the play is done. For the good offensive teams, they find a way to still get positive yards, if not find a way to get out of the pocket and create a big play out of it.
by whistlingmountain on Oct 28, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the key for those offenses
Is that they’ve found a handful of plays that they run really really well, and they go back to them again and again and again.
What makes it work is that they have also developed the constraint plays that match up with their bread and butter plays that can make a defense pay for keying on their bread and butter. The Patriots are the first team that comes to mind here, and the Colts back when they were running the stretch play.
yeah...
For the 49ers, and a lot of the poor offense teams, it generally seems that if just 1 lineman gets beat, the play is done.
I think that’s a combination of poor offensive line play AND the QB not getting the ball out of his hands quick enough. You look at Aaron Rodgers and it’s 3 steps LAUNCH. I think Alex has gotten better at releasing the ball this year, but it still seems to break down far too often (as you eluded).
It's Brady
Pats offense is nothing like 2005, which was nothing like 2007 which is nothing like today. To be honest about it, the Patriots are currently running Harbaugh’s pass offense at Stanford; two great TE’s and slot received.
sharing the load
I agree about Gore and Hunter. As much as the offensive line and a new FB have helped Gore out, the addition of Hunter has been more imporant.
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by CheekyMonkey on Oct 28, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
he will be closer too...
…210
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I think Gore will at least get close to his magic number...
Assuming that we don’t jump out to a huge lead and preserve Gore’s health.
That's a very interesting point
We do face kind of a dilemma. Ideally, you’d like to run a lot with a big lead. But Gore’s potential for injury complicates the decision. Good thing we’ve got Hunter, too.
How many does J.Perry _really_ have?
I was looking at the list of the all-time rushing leaders, and it looked like F.Gore was going to pass J.Perry with a 1,000 yard season…
but then, I found something that showed missing stats from J.Perry’s first 2 seasons!
Can anyone provide some input? were rushing yards not yet official? were those yards from the first two seasons not actually rushing yards? please help!
by Nicholas Cannelora on Oct 28, 2011 10:11 AM PDT reply actions
Those first 2 years were before the 49ers joined the NFL
by djs9989 on Oct 28, 2011 10:30 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
The 49ers first season of competition was in 1946, as a founding member of the old
All America Football Conference. The conference folded after it’s 4th season, 1949, but three of the most successful AAFC members, including our beloved 49ers (the Cleveland Browns and the Baltimore Colts were the other two), were brought in to the NFL for the 1950 season.
Joe Perry played 14 seasons for the 49ers, the first two in the old All-America Conference, the next 11 in the NFL. He then played two seasons with the Baltimore Colts before finishing his career with one more season in SF. His 49ers rushing record of 8,689 is the total of all of his 14 seasons in San Francisco, but his career total of 9,723 adds on the 1,034 yards he gained as a Colt. However, Perry gained 7,344 NFL yards as a 49er, if one excludes his 1,345 gained in his two 49er seasons in the AAFC.
For those feeling that the season and career yardage totals may be a bit low for a hall of famer, an NFL season consisted of only 12 games for most of Perry’s career. 750 yards in a 12 game season extrapolates to 1,000 yards in a 16 game season (the NFL schedules didn’t expand to 14 games until 1961, Perry’s 1st season in Baltimore when his career already on the wane)
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
definitely
49ers will run, run, run the ball.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 28, 2011 10:21 AM PDT reply actions
depending on Goodwin's health
yes, Frank will break Craig’s record. Cleveland isn’t great against the run, but we may have some trouble if Snyder is @ center and Chilo subs in @ RG
by Doni S on Oct 28, 2011 10:30 AM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
Somehow I think Cleveland keys on the run...
And we go with more passes like we did against Detroit. I’m probably the only one here, but I don’t think he gets it this week.
It won't matter if they do
It’s not like we’ve really been fooling anybody. We keep doing the same things…well. And Cleveland’s inability to stop the run isn’t going to improve much if any against us from the looks of it.
John Clayton just tweeted that it doesnt look like Payton Hillis is going to play on Sunday
That is huge, if the Browns want to win the game they have to control the ball and if their best back isnt on the field it is going to be tough to get any traction which means that their defense is going to be on the field for more than the 17 minutes they were during the Seattle game. The Niners should be able to control the time of possession so Frank & Kendall will be able to get alot of carries.
I could definitely see Frank approaching those numbers
gore's going to have a long day
i think alex smith will throw for 250+yds
final score is 49ERS-24 BROWNS-13
You think we give up 13 points?
The Seahags only gave up 6, so I wouldn’t be surprised if we blanked them.
by 9thevolution on Oct 28, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Any given Sunday and all
But you are right — they haven’t faced a defense playing to our level yet this year.
Yes
Normally I think he’d be close, but with the record right there and Roger Craig in the house to see it at a home game. Harbs will keep Gore in a bit more to polish it off.
Yes
I also think Crabtree, despite Joe Haden, will light it up, because I think the San Francisco defense is going to absolutely maul McCoy and cause multiple turnovers (thus, giving the 49ers offense more chances to score). McCoy has been hit 38 times this season and Pat Shurmur might take the safe route and go with max-protect by using Alex Smith and Benjamin Watson as tight ends and sending out only two receivers on patterns, most likely Greg Little and Joshua Cribbs. So, then, what will Cleveland’s offense consist of? Hillis likely isn’t going to play. Not to mention that their O-line is riddled with injuries. I don’t see them breaking 60 yards rushing, so if McCoy is going to air out like he has been all season against an elite defense, the likes of which Cleveland hasn’t seen yet, I think San Francisco’s defense may outscore their offense. Or, they will give the offense so many opportunities due to forcing Cleveland turnovers (I’d guess 3-4), that the Niner offense will be glistening.
by Liquid Pantyhose on Oct 28, 2011 12:00 PM PDT reply actions
This sounds about right....
but I really don’t think the Niners run the ball much. Perfect opportunity to work on improving the passing game in a live situation.
by 9thevolution on Oct 28, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll take Haden in match up over Crabtree
Haden and his always squat underneath coverage is perfect against Crabtrees ins, outs and hooks with no deep threat patterns.
Hunter
Crabs is likely to be covered by Haden all day. Braylon is probably going to see limited snaps, so if Haden is on Crabs, Hunter has a big day with a few nice runs and some good catches out of the backfield.
by 9thevolution on Oct 28, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Check out this article
It’s an interview with urban meyer about alex smith and he just goes into detail on what kind of person alex is and how he felt in certain situations throughout his career. Really well done.
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/10/urban-meyer-talks-alex-smith-harbaugh-and-the-qbs-recent-success.html
by MNY49 on Oct 28, 2011 1:43 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
It's likely
Cleveland has lost games against
Cincinnati, Tennessee, and Oakland
Each of those games had a 100+ yard rusher
except Oakland, which McFadden had 91.
They won games against Indy, Miami, and Seattle
Each of those games had no 100+ rusher
with Miami (as a team) 138yds. Miami
lost by 1, and well, because they’re Miami.
And, seeing that Gore is a better RB than
most of those teams have, it is likely
he will get his 110 or more.
I’ll take the Under.
I think Cleveland will overload to stop the run and force Smith to beat them. I think he can beat them, but I don’t see another big rushing game for us
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