Worst teams of the NFL after week 4: Who's in the hunt for Luck?
After Chad Henne's season-ending injury on Sunday, there's been a bit of discussion as to what team could fill the role of "worst in the league." I wanted to share my own thoughts on the subject, and I'd like to hear what you have to say. Here goes:
1. Kansas City Chiefs (1-3)
I'm sorry, but a close win at home against the Vikings does not put you out of last place. The Chiefs already face one of the hardest schedules in the NFL, and injuries to key players Jamaal Charles, Eric Berry and Tony Moeaki have left them toothless. Todd Haley's inability to effectively coach, combined with the Chiefs' general suckitude, makes me think that this team still leads the race.
2. Miami Dolphins (0-4)
The Dolphins are in a tough division. No longer can they rely on the Bills to provide a much-needed ego boost for a struggling team.The recent loss of Chad Henne, along with a haphazard array of mediocre and misused running backs, makes the Dolphins a zero-dimensional offense, and analyzing their offensive production may result in a "divide by zero" error. Their defense isn't terrible, but isn't the kind of unit that can carry a team and keep a low scoring game close. Their week 9 game against the Chiefs may end up being the deciding factor in who gets Andrew Luck.
3. Minnesota Vikings (0-4)
For what it's worth, I think the Vikings are a much better team than they let on. Everyone seems to be under-performing, from McNabb to Percy Harvin to Adrian Peterson. But a loss to the Kansas City Chiefs puts you in the bottom 5 by default, and the Vikings can't seem to hold onto a game to save their lives. I fully expect them to turn in at least a few wins by the end of the season, but for now, they rest at #3.
4. St Louis Rams (0-4):
This team is almost a guaranteed 0-7 to start out the season, with their next 3 games @GB, @DAL and vs NO. They next have road trips to AZ and CLE, in which they *may* get their first win, but I wouldn't bet on it. Fast forward through 4 divisional games in a row, including a game at Candlestick, then they get the joy of trying to find offensive production against the Steelers and the Bengals. Finish that out with a loss against the division champion 49ers (unless we've already clinched a bye, which I doubt) and the Rams get to drag themselves into the offseason with 4 wins, if they're lucky. Someone in the NFL office hates St Louis.
5. Jacksonville Jaguars (1-3)
Throwing away David Garrard for Luke McCown and Blaine Gabbert was like throwing out your old oak furniture and buying something from IKEA. Sure, it's old and heavy, but it's still serviceable, and loading your new closet with all the garbage you own is going to break it. Gabbert sports the 2nd-worst completion percentage of all starting quarterbacks at 47.8% and, like the Dolphins, their defense isn't going to win any games. Here's a bonus question: name one guy on the Jaguars defense.
Honorable Mention: Indianapolis Colts (0-4)
I didn't include the Colts in the bottom five because of their better-than-awful performances against the Steelers and Bucs. While Curtis Painter won't do you any favors, I think the Colts defense can hold some games close enough to pull of some upset wins. Hopefully Kerry Collins will be back soon, and the Colts can try to rise out of the ashes and become a team that at least gives Peyton Manning some small thing to cheer about.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Colts, Seattle
I think Indy and Seattle are the favorites. Yes both played opponents close this past week, but I don’t have much faith in either outlasting many opponents this year. My early prediction at the quarter point for the top pick in the draft:
1. Indianapolis Colts
2. Seattle Seahawks
3. Miami Dolphins
4. Kansas City Chiefs
5. St. Louis Rams
And I think Denver is a dark-horse.
Manning will most likely be back this year.
They will wind up with 5-6 wins in my opinion.
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Manning
They’re already setting up to put him on IR. Earlier today (or maybe yesterday) He said he wants to try and get back, but would understand if Colts need the roster spot. I think they IR him before too long.
by David Fucillo on Oct 6, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Colts got the # 1 pick that makes the # 2 pick better as I don't think the Colts would draft Luck.
That is unless they don’t have faith in Manning playing more than a couple more years.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
doubt it
look at rodgers in gb when Favre was in his prime
Come on, Alex, please be good this year..
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How could they not draft Luck if they had the #1 pick? The chance to get a high profile QB out of the draft when you have an aging QB coming off an injury would be perfect. Manning still has a couple of years left on him, I believe. Imagine having Luck waiting to take over for Manning after having a couple of years learning the offense with him as a mentor. It’s not like they would be paying an outragous salary for Luck to sit on the bench either since the rookie salary went into effect. The only way that doesn’t happen is if Manning has a say in it.
"When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story." - Barney Stinson
Not to mention using Manning as trade bait...
What struggling team wouldn’t give up the farm to bring even an aged Manning to their squad?
Wake up call for the Colts
If Luck interests them at all I think they take him. Peyton is no spring chicken and that injury he’s got is trouble.
Justin Smith is something else. 100% Effort! 100% Class!
"I was just running toward the ball," Smith said. "The guys in front of him were making him slow up a little bit. I just went for the ball and, luckily, it was there."
Manning is that franchise.
Whatever he says goes. If he thinks he can go this year, and wants to, it will happen.
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I get that
I’m just saying, the fact that he’s referencing a willingness to go on IR if needed sets it up in my mind.
by David Fucillo on Oct 6, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotta agree about the Colts be number one (without Manning)
Their defense has great defensive ends, but that’s about it. They function best with a good lead (that is usually provided by Manning), so if they have to defend the run, they’re screwed.
by sanfranfanmdk on Oct 6, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
The reason I didn't include Seattle on this list is their performance against Atlanta, which underscores their home field advantage and showed a bit of upside.
The team has a decent defense and a bad offense, but I think that they’ll pull out 2-3 wins in the NFCW and will steal 2-3 games at home against teams outside the division.
I would not be surprised if the Colts get the top pick, but I think they’ll need to be blown out by someone besides the Texans on the road to be considered the #1 pick.
Anyone picking 1-15.
There’s no guarantee he will go No. 1 overall
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Unless
a team has just drafted a QB high in the 1st round, Luck will go #1
Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).
People make the same mistake of this exact comment EVERY single year
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If Luck (or Jones, or another QB) is the “sure-thing” #1, I think a team with a QB picking #1 gets a godfather offer and deals the pick.
by David Fucillo on Oct 6, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering how weak Stanfords schedule is this year he'll probably go #1
They play 1 ranked team the entire season. He’ll probably play like dog scheisse against Oregon but everybody will just write it off.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 7, 2011 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions
You mean exactly like last year?
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Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
Not to mention one of the best OL in college
Martin is a top 10 pick and his G is another first rounder
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
You keep saying that
and I know that you are much more informed than I am about the college game, but I think you are wrong in this case. I’ve watched Landry Jones and I’m not sure he will be successful at the next level. Who else do you think will be worth the #1 pick?
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What don't you like about Landry Jones?
I don’t think he’ll go above Luck, but I do think he’s a good consolation prize.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Drew thinks that Jones is better than Luck
but I don’t see that. I’m not saying he’ll be a bust. I just haven’t seen anything from him that makes me think he’ll be a brilliant pro qb.
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Ah.
I assumed you meant bust when I read the line about “not sure he will be successful” etc…
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
More accurate, better polished, and much, much, MUCH better deep ball
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Jones throws a better ball than Luck IMO
Luck floats his passes where as Jones have a Stafford like quality to them.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 7, 2011 3:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, what am I missing?
He has a sick Oline or what?
by SanFranciscoKnights on Oct 6, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I think its too soon
Anything can happen. He could sit down for an interview and tell them he posts cat pictures on the internet. Remember the Bush Bowl when we lost to the rights of Reggie Bush to the Texans? All I know is that teams will take more risks in the draft with QBs because of the rookie cap.
the salary was a risk
All I know is that teams will take more risks in the draft with QBs because of the rookie cap.
but the 1st round pick is still just as valuable. Draft picks are precious commodities in the NFL, no matter how much you pay them.
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Dolphins should be #1.
Their new starting QB is Matt Moore. First it was Cam Newton for the Panthers, now he’s gonna get Luck for Miami. He may not be a good QB, but dammit he’s good at getting replaced.
As for your bonus question…
name one guy on the Jaguars defense.
Tyson Alualu is the only one I can think of off the top of my head.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Oct 6, 2011 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Tyson Alualu is the only one that I could think of as well.
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Dobbs is some kind of Young/Smith/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
Yeah, I only thought of Alualu because I remember the pick being really surprising at the time.
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Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?
Dobbs is some kind of Young/Smith/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
Rashean Mathis
not sure if he still plays for them or not
As long as it's not the Hawks
I’m good. Anyone but a division rival.
Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).
Kirk Morrison and Alualu only names I can think of.
name one guy on the Jaguars defense.
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My picks
1 – Miami
2 – St. Louis
3 – Indy
4 – Seattle/KC
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I really think the Colts are in a worse position than 2 weeks ago
They tried to pull together for an emotional victory in prime time games and fell short. I foresee some bad losses now.
by whistlingmountain on Oct 6, 2011 5:39 PM PDT reply actions
Dunno about the Vikings picking Luck.
They just drafted Ponder pretty high
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that kind of thinking
is the reason why there was no backup plan for our own quarterback situation since 2005. Get the best player you can.
Yeah but he was drafted last year.
He has yet to play a meaningful down and they’re already thinking about drafting another QB? I’m not saying Christian Ponder is the next great thing, c’mon do you really think a pro organization would draft a player 12th overall and not even give him a shot? I say if they are in a position to draft Luck, the most likely scenario for them would be to trade that pick away. Teams WILL trade up to get Luck. No doubt about that.
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Oct 6, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Luck is exponentially better than Ponder
They’d take offers, but in the end they’d take Luck.
by whistlingmountain on Oct 7, 2011 4:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes it was, but this is the NFL.
I mean teams stuck with Jamarcus Russell and Aaron Maybin for goodness sake. Hell even Alex Smith is STILL 49er! (I love Alex btw.) Organizations don’t just admit they made a mistake. They’ll hold players as long as possible and just pray they work out. I just don’t see the Vikings admitting they were wrong and picking another QB.
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 6, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
They made a foolish mistake
One they will rectify ASAP. Ponder was a 10th round talent
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 7, 2011 3:14 AM PDT up reply actions
The "Luck" race
Personally, I don’t expect Luck to be a guaranteed first overall(some of the teams who will be in the running for first overall, will also be teams that drafted QBs in the first round this year. And most GMs would rather not draft a QB in the first round 2 years in a row, as it would show incompetence). As far as which team will end up drafting Luck:
1. Miami (with Henne out, and the general overall suck-itude, they would not skip on the opportunity if they get it)
2. Colts (They could view Luck as their QBOTF, Manning at most has probably 4 good years left. Imagine a GB Farve/Rogers type plan)
3. Chiefs (Cassel has under preformed, and will likely be approaching a period in his contract where the Chiefs FO could cut him loose with minimal financial impact)
4. SeaGulls (TJ, the answer? Nah, he’s under a 2yr contract, Carrol was always planning on drafting their franchise QB in the 2012 draft, and if the Gulls are in the top 7 picks(which they will be) then expect them to at least try and make a move for Luck)
As a geologist, I talk to rocks. And they talk back, and they are telling me, "This year the San Fransisco 49ers are going to be some Gneiss Schist!"
I think many teams would be willing to trade up for Luck if a team like St Louis got #1 overall.
The offers the team would get, assuming Luck is still as popular as he is now, would probably outweigh any non-quarterback they would otherwise get. I would guess that Luck is drafted as #1 no matter what team gets the worst spot in the league.
Good point
I guess I should have clarified, that the 4 teams in my list, I expect to have picks in the top 8 and are the most likely to try and make a move in order to acquire Luck. The list isn’t supposed to infer they will start off with the first overall picks.
That being said, whichever team does end up with the first overall will be in for a treat, even if they don’t need a QB. There should be a few more teams than the 4 that i listed, who will also have fairly high draft picks and will try and trade up. Ultimately, next years draft has the potential to have crazy trades/deals going on in attempts to acquire Luck.
As a geologist, I talk to rocks. And they talk back, and they are telling me, "This year the San Fransisco 49ers are going to be some Gneiss Schist!"
Miami Dolphins are in trouble
1Miami
2Kansas city
3St Loius
4Minnesota
5Seattle
Poor Miami
1. Miami
2. Kansas City
3. Minnesota
4. Seattle
5. St Louis/Indy
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I'm sure someone has said this above....
but why are we still considering Luck to be the #1 guy? I’d be willing to bet, come April, someone else’s name will be called first; namely Jones or Barkley.
If Vikings have the #1 pick, Fraisier will be long gone
And thus there will be no reason to hang on to Ponder. I think Miami has a the best shot given that they suck at home, they’re bad on the road now too, lost their QB, their coach has been too undermined, and more. But I imagine the Vikings take Luck in a heartbeat and dump Ponder on the curb if they get the #1 pick.
Next year's QB draft class looks quite intriguing
(off the top of my head)
Andrew Luck
Landry Jones
Matt Barkley (maybe)
Aaron Murray (might come out, but probably not)
Kellen Moore
Nick Foles
Kirk Cousins
Case Keenum
Ryan Tannehill
Robert Griffin (maybe)
Yup seems about right.
Pretty sure Griffin isn’t going to declare. If he waits a year, he’ll be a top 5 pick.
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 7, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Grifffin has already graduated
I don’t know why he would come back.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Oct 9, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I still think last years QB class was very good
just lacked the premiere #1 pick
This coming draft is being overrated because it does have the #1. I’d have taken Newton, Dalton, Kaepernick and Mallet over any of the other QBs in this coming draft though.
by whistlingmountain on Oct 8, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Clearly in hindsight it may not have lacked the #1 pick
Newton has somehow exceeded the hype.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Oct 9, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
he was a boom bust prospect, so not a premiere #1 pick like a Luck
or to a lesser degree, Bradford
by whistlingmountain on Oct 9, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
And I disagree with the draft classes
I’d take Griffin, Luck, and Jones over last year’s QB class going into the draft.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Oct 9, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions

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