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49ers Vs. Giants: G-Chat With Big Blue View

Normally each week I try and put together a five question exchange with an opposing team's blogger to get a better idea of what exactly their team brings to the table. This week, in chatting with Ed Valentine of Big Blue View, he came up with a fun suggestion. Instead of simply exchanging five questions, he suggested using g-chat (via gmail for those without gmail) to discuss the game. This would allow for a bit better exchange of thoughts and follow-up questions depending on where the discussion ranged.

Ed will likely have his half of the discussion posted at Big Blue View today as well. Additionally, don't forget to swing by the FanPost I set up over at BBV for some Q&A between the two sites.

We discussed a wide range of topics in preparation for the game. We discussed everything from their impressive pass rush to the importance of Eli Manning in the Giants offense. And of course, given the importance of the 49ers coaching staff, I find it necessary to inquire about the opposition's coach. The 49ers have benefited from great coaching, so that always remains a key matchup to watch. Head after the jump to view the conversation. I cleaned up parts of it, but once in a while you may see some lower case letters as is often the case with instant message conversations.

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Fooch: The defense seemed to do good work for three strong quarters against the Patriots. What is the primary strength of the Giants defense?

Edward: Pass rush. You have Jason Pierre-Paul, Osi Umenyiora and Justin Tuck, plus Mathias Kiwanuka playing linebacker, and quality defensive tackles. The Giants have been burned for some long runs, but they seem to be getting better with their run defense, too.

The Giants had Tom Brady cringing on Sunday and ducking when there weren't even guys there to hit him, so they got into his head a bit.

Fooch: Yea, I noticed Brady looking rather flustered against that pass rush  Thank goodness Alex Smith has improved in holding onto the ball while being driven into the ground.

Edward: Some things never change. No matter how much good he does there are still people who don't believe in Eli Manning.

Fooch: They seem to be in somewhat similar situations in that regard. Smith is in a position where if the 49ers were to somehow win the Super Bowl this year, some folks would still voice complaints about Smith  Although it's not exactly parallel, Smith is kind of in a similar position to Trent Dilfer when he was starting for that Super Bowl-winning Ravens squad. I think Smith is better at this point, but it's built around the dominant defense

Edward: Well, Eli has a ring and for the past three years people have still looked at him and said he isn't good enough. Right now there is only one quarterback in the league playing better, in my mind, and that's Aaron Rodgers. I'm not saying Eli is better than Brady or Brees, because he's not. But the guy has engineered five game-winning fourth-quarter drives this year, has a fourth quarter QB rating of 120+, I think, and he's been phenomenal. No quarterback is perfect, but it's hard to play much better than Manning has so far.

The Giants live and die with Manning. The running game has been sporadic, he audibles about 40 percent of the plays at the line. This is his offense, plain and simple.

Fooch: Was his three interception performance against the Seahawks just one of those ugly performances that happen from time to time?

Edward: Yeah ... one bad throw, one tipped ball when Cruz slipped and one end of game 'we're losing and the game is almost so I'm just gonna chuck it in there and try to make a play' kind of throws. I think he has thrown less than five 'bad' balls all season.  The really off-target head scratchers or the ones where you go 'what was he thinking?'

Fooch: How do Giants fans view the game?

Edward: We have come to understand that this is a flawed team that hasn't run the ball as consistently as a Tom Coughlin team usually does, one that gives up too many big plays and one that doesn't look pretty. But we have also come to understand that there is no quit in this team, that there are a number of playmaking weapons on both sides of the ball and that they can beat any team in the league when they don't beat themselves. The 49ers are no exception. Of course, the Giants are also capable of occasionally laying an egg.

Fooch: Tom Coughlin has been around the Giants for quite some time now. There were some moments where it seemed like things were on the verge of falling apart, but he helped turn them into Super Bowl champs and has done great work there. What does he bring to the table?

Edward: The perception of Coughlin is so funny. There is constantly this belief that he doesn't relate to the players, that his job is on the line, that he is getting too old .. all you needed to do is watch the New England game and the video of the way the players treated him in the locker room after the game to see that that is a bunch of nonsense.

The biggest thing Coughlin brings is really that he now has a track record of success, he believes in what he does and he believes in his players. Throughout the massive number of injuries and free agent defections his message never changed -- and that was that we have good players, the next guy up just has to do the job and if we stop beating ourselves (which was the biggest problem) a year ago we have a very good football team. It's his consistency and his focus, I think.

By the way, if you haven't seen that video it's here ... http://www.giants.com/media-vault/videos/Giants-celebrate-comeback-win-vs-Patriots/cb25b0ec-10de-444f-8a7d-a041c5e7e096

Fooch: If you could take one player off the 49ers roster and put him in your lineup, who would it be?

Edward: The guy I would take from the 49ers is, at first glance, obvious ... I would jump at the chance to put Patrick Willis in a Giants uniform. The Giants could use an impact linebacker, although Kiwanuka and Michael Boley have been terrific this year. Jake Ballard has been surprisingly good at tight end, but I wouldn't mind an accomplished guy like Vernon Davis, either.

Fooch: Tell us a few players we should watch for who we might not know much about.

Edward: Let's start with Ballard. This is a guy who was an undrafted free agent was was on the practice squad last year. He got the job this year after Kevin Boss left for Oakland because there wasn't anybody else. Boss caught 35 balls a year ago, and Ballard already has 23 w/an average of 17.2 yards per catch. The guy is 6-foot-6, 275!

Cruz, of course, is not really under the radar anymore. Will Beatty is in his first year starting at left tackle, and has been very good. Defensively, second-year guy Linval Joseph and veterans Chris Canty and Rocky Bernard have been very good at the tackles.

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Random thought but I could see this happening

I think Harbaugh is just crazy/cocky/confident enough to do this. I think that he hears all this talk about how Alex still isnt good hes just a game manager. Then all of the sudden. Against some team this year. He lets Alex go crazy. Get 350+ yards and a few TDs, everyone is excited and thinks they finally opened it up and what not, but then the following game Alex throws for 150 and a TD and he brings him right back in. But i could totally see Harbaugh having that.. Everyone stfu game. Just a thought

by Collin B on Nov 10, 2011 9:26 AM PST reply actions  

i think once the playoffs are clinched and there are only 4-5 games left

we will see it. however, im hoping kaep gets to play a lot in the last 2 games. i want to see what he can do

by craziness@analltimehigh on Nov 10, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

We'll be in too tight of a race with Green Bay for home field advantage to have that happen, I think.

I doubt either team will clinch til week 16 at the earliest, and it will probably be decided on the last day. And if we lose to the Giants this week, we may be fighting for the bye. Either way, we’ll probly be on the cusp of some seeding arrangement and will still be playing to win. I doubt we’ll see Kapernick this season aside from a couple gimmick plays and the end of blowouts.

by Rhombus on Nov 10, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Depends on where GB is at the time

I think if there is a strong chance of getting the #1 seed (or losing #2 seed), no one is resting week 16 or 17. But if Harbaugh thinks its out of reach, I think he starts resting players like preseason. Don’t sit them all together. Get them in, keep them in rhythm, get them out.

by agchee on Nov 10, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

you play hard for the 1 or the 2... the bye is big.

Other than that, you get your home game against a wildcard and move on. It really will just depend on how things play out.

by Sigelvictory on Nov 10, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I agree

This next game is huge IMO. If we continue to play well, the Giants are the only real threat to taking the #2 seed. They win, they have the tie breaker. But I think that if we’re +1 game up on all teams and we can’t catch GB, we start limiting players by week 15 or 16.

by agchee on Nov 10, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Realistically, I think the 2 seed is the highest we go

We are a good team, and we can sew up a division title with any combination of 3 more wins, or 3 losses by any of the other West teams.

Other than that, I’m just happy we are playing in the playoffs, even if it’s on wild card weekend. I suspect we will get the 2 spot, because the Giants have been too inconsistent, the Saints and Falcons have too hard a schedule, and the Lions just don’t quite look like the real deal after getting beaten a couple time.

Surprise team possible: The Bears. But, I doubt it.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Nov 10, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah...

everyone is sleeping on the Bears… they are better than advertised

by Sigelvictory on Nov 10, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Hybernating?

sorry

"It's tough. Everyone's geared up for the run and they hit you with that."
--Linebacker D'Qwell Jackson on 49ers throwing a pass to Isaac Sopoaga late in the game to pick up a crucial first down.

The Dallas Cowboys are the NFL's greatest underachievers.

by Pat Willie on Nov 10, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

funny

I actually thought that as I was typing… lol

by Sigelvictory on Nov 10, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

In terms of bad puns

Because the Niners practice facility is close to Hewlett Packard (HP), and because their defense is finally good, I suggest a new nickname for our defense as a unit: Hit Parade!

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Nov 13, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't apologize

It was pretty brilliant.

That’s the thing with puns- you have to go all in; unlike farting in an elevator, it’s a form of offending other people that you don’t say “sorry” for.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Nov 13, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't believe this will happen until the playoffs.

Why give anything away? Whatever team we play in the playoffs won’t see it coming and they’ll get torched. Then, when we play GB in the NFC title game, they will have to account for a offense that can do anything it wants and the best D in the league.

by madmatt on Nov 10, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Eh

I get what you mean, but i DO think they want to try to practice these things in real game situations before the playoffs, to see how it works. The converse to your argument is that doing so would make other teams have to do a lot more work in preparing for us, thereby reducing their ability to focus on a couple key things we do well.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Nov 10, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Can we stop this?

This passing game simply laying in the weeds argument is ridiculous. Sure, they can pass the ball like crazy now but need it and don’t feel like doing it. Couldn’t be further from reality.

by bignerd on Nov 10, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Not to bash the Giants fans

I really like them and I think the ones I’ve interacted with have an excellent sense of humor.

But it seems like they are under the false impression that the Giants can be compared to the 49ers. Whats that about?

I don’t see it. We are a run team, thay are a pass team. We are a run defense, they are a sack happy defense. We are having the best season in years, they have the exact same Win-Loss recored they had last year at this point.

I don’t like it and I don’t agree with it. The Giant’s are nothing like us, and this game isn’t going to be close. I can’t say one team or other is guaranteed to win, but whoever wins will win by alot. The 49ers.

shouldn’t be compared to the Giants. This team is coming from a whole different place.

"It's tough. Everyone's geared up for the run and they hit you with that."
--Linebacker D'Qwell Jackson on 49ers throwing a pass to Isaac Sopoaga late in the game to pick up a crucial first down.

The Dallas Cowboys are the NFL's greatest underachievers.

by Pat Willie on Nov 10, 2011 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

I somewhat agree but...

I worry about their passing game. In past weeks, the Giants know they haven’t been running the ball well and have still found a way to win games by putting it on Eli and airing it out. One of the reasons we’ve been so good on defense is because we stop the run and make them one dimensional. But that won’t be the case this time. This might be one of those cases where if the secondary struggles, we’ll be playing from behind all game. Lets hope they all step up.

by agchee on Nov 10, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree

It’s strength against strength: They have a good pass offense, we have a great defense. They have an exceptional defensive line, we have a strong running game.

The Niners have looked flat since coming off the bye- either they get fired up and win big this Sunday, or they get the ass kicking they need to right the ship.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Nov 10, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

they have and exceptional D line in the way

that detroit and philly do… they are pass rushers that struggle with the run. As far as their passing attack goes, it worries me… but last week has to be taken with a grain of salt… The Pats pass D is horrific…

by Sigelvictory on Nov 10, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

the run problems have come at the second level, not so much the first

just FYI.

So backs either get 3 yards or 15.

Plus, the scheme against our mostly pass first opponents has been protecting more deep with a safety in another zip code. You may see less of that this week.

Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me

by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST

by AJ_in_VA on Nov 10, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I hear ya...

the same really applies… it is more about linebacker than the D lines in all the examples I gave… but I stand by my point. Your D line excels in the pass rush… the run, not so much. I would agree, there isn’t much point to your safeties being 30 yards off the line in this game. You guys will try to take the run away just like everyone else does.

by Sigelvictory on Nov 10, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

If I may Pat

the 49ers and Giants have two diffrent styles, but the reason they are alike is because they both like to win ugly gritty games.

by Late for Dinner on Nov 10, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I've seen a lot of ugly games over the past few years

And the 49ers haven’t won most of them. I don’t think the comparison stands. The 49ers are pound and ground. That’s why it stays close, they run the clock out on the opposition.

They could have blown the Browns and the Skins away, they just kept it conservative because they don’t need to prove anything. I actually believe that.

I also don’t think this game even approaches ugly and gritty. I think a lot of points are going on the board and it’s going to be clearly lop-sided.

"It's tough. Everyone's geared up for the run and they hit you with that."
--Linebacker D'Qwell Jackson on 49ers throwing a pass to Isaac Sopoaga late in the game to pick up a crucial first down.

The Dallas Cowboys are the NFL's greatest underachievers.

by Pat Willie on Nov 10, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd go with this

And I see ^ you disagree, but they all seem ugly to me.

Whatever floats the boat though

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22

by Willgfass on Nov 10, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

As a fan..

the close games give me grey hairs, but I believe they are great for the team. Gives them the confidence that they can actually win the close ones instead of giving the games away like they have the last few years.
Its kind of a fine line though, you don’t want to keep testing fate.

Probably the same way with you guys and all of the 4th quarter comebacks that you have suffered through this year:-)

by Dukeston1 on Nov 10, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Who you calling arrogant?

"It's tough. Everyone's geared up for the run and they hit you with that."
--Linebacker D'Qwell Jackson on 49ers throwing a pass to Isaac Sopoaga late in the game to pick up a crucial first down.

The Dallas Cowboys are the NFL's greatest underachievers.

by Pat Willie on Nov 10, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Rocky Bernard is far from unknown to Niner fans

He was the Seahawk who pile-drove Alex Smith into the ground-jacking up his-shoulder-ending a promising start to the 2007 season.

by jns8049ers on Nov 10, 2011 10:18 AM PST reply actions  

I remember all to well...

but the silver lining is right here in front of us… we could still be an average team with Nolan at the helm if all that stuff doesnt go down.

by Sigelvictory on Nov 10, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

The Giants are a solid team -- the best the Niners have faced so far

At this point, both the teams know who they are (even if he Nines O hasn’t reached potential and operating with a subset of the playbook). But exactly where are they? An excellent mid-season GPS game.

by Mood_Indigo on Nov 10, 2011 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

solid, yes

but I’m not sure they are the best we have played… Don’t forget the Lions… and the one that everyone overlooked at the time: Cincinnati… they are lightyears better than anyone gave them credit for. We were upset that we had trouble with them at the time, because we as fans bought into the media saying they would be a bad team… as usual, the media knows a lot less than most educated fans do.

by Sigelvictory on Nov 10, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

The Giants are among the best that we've played, but I agree that we can't call them the best just yet.

They are not a consistent team. That’s the main knock I have against them: their last 4 wins have been by 4 points or less, two of them against NE and BUF, and the other two against AZ and MIA. It seems to me they definitely play to the level of their opponent, especially considering their two losses came against Seattle and Washington.

I can’t get a read on these guys. Sometimes they play a great game and gut it out, other times they don’t, and more often than not they come out flat. Honestly, I don’t see them as that great of a team, although beating the Patriots on the road is not an easy task. They have a chance to win this game, but that’s about it. A chance, much less than 50%. If they can keep it close, they’ve got a shot, but I see the Niners winning this one pretty comfortably.

by Rhombus on Nov 10, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

The Redskins game

I think can be explained pretty well.

It was early in the season and we were hit with tons of injuries and lots of turnover on offense.

The defensive injuries made Fewell think he could only use zone with little to no pressure. The Redskins were able to take advantage of the off coverage on offense, with grossman hitting tons of slants and other short yardage stuff. The redskins were one of the few teams we actually played well against the run, keeping hightower to less than 4 ypc.

As for the offense, it didn’t truly hit it’s stride until the second half of the second game. The offensive line was much different than the year before and didn’t have the benefit of lots of practice (Snee played center for a lot of the training camp before Baas could practice with the team). In addition, we weren’t sure in what we had with receiving wise after Nicks and Manningham, before Cruz and Ballard emerged.

The seahawks game is another thing, but we were on tipped ball into the air from driving for the win there

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22

by Willgfass on Nov 10, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Gooooood question exchange, Fooch

I love this G-chat exchange. You guys got a chance to really have a back-and-forth on the topics, it was really excellent.

Win or lose, at the end of the day I'm just happy to see the Niners play well... Okay, winning is good. I prefer winning.
"Yeah, I do get emotional. It fires me up. It fires me up a lot. I'm not going to apologize for that. If that offends you or anybody else, then so be it."

by El Dorado on Nov 10, 2011 2:23 PM PST reply actions  

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