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49ers Vs. Giants: Return Of The Rivalry?

Back in the '80s and early '90s, even as the 49ers were dealing with the Dallas Cowboys on an annual basis, the team also had a strong rivalry with the New York Giants. The teams played five times in the playoffs from 1982 to 1994, with a sixth epic wild card matchup in 2003. As the 49ers begin to return to relevance in the NFL, many of these former rivals return to front and center in the NFL.

Two players that were key parts of that rivalry were Joe Montana and Ronnie Lott. The 49ers are having their team Hall of Fame induction ceremony this week and old players have had a chance to chat about the 49ers rivalry with the Giants and also the state of the current 49ers. Thanks to Drew for pointing out this article in which Lott and Montana talk about the improvement of the current 49ers. You can also catch some video at 49ers.com.

Naturally, Ronnie Lott is a fan of big-hitting Dashon Goldson, but more importantly he loves the tough physical brand of football the 49ers play. And there is no doubt this is an incredibly physical football team:

"What's amazing to me is not just the consistent football, but now you're seeing tough football. You're seeing aggressive football. You're also seeing that determination of understanding, when you do make a tackle; you're not allowing someone to get that extra yard."

"People are fighting for inches. When you see people fighting for inches, it tells you the mentality of what this team's all about. I follow it. And not only do I follow it since I've left, I follow it because you know they have a purpose right now. And that purpose is pretty good."

The 49ers of 2011 are sort of a throwback team in that regard. Where you see many teams going to more spread out passing attacks, the 49ers continue to build around the power rushing game. They are not the only team that relies on their rushing attack, but few are as physical as the 49ers at this point.

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Naturally, Joe Montana was given an opportunity to discuss Alex Smith and the 49ers offense:

"The one beauty about the offense is whenever you get in trouble with this offense it was always about going back to the basics. With the lack of time, I'm sure it's about all they've put in, and they're slowly adding stuff. That foundation is what makes this offense go.

"As soon as everyone understands that, they've got serious talent on the outside, able to catch balls and make big plays. And the running game, obviously that speaks for itself."

You can look back at the Eagles game where the offense struggled to get going but never really panicked. They came out and although the air attack did open up more, they did not abandon the rushing game in spite of falling behind by 20 points.

Given the short turnaround time following the lockout, I am relatively optimistic that the offense can in fact continue developing. In the grand scheme of things, this is a team that you could argue is still in the embryonic stage of developing the Greg Roman/Jim Harbaugh offense. I don't know if it will take off further this year, next year, or beyond, but I am optimistic this offense can be taken to another level with the current personnel.

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YES!

Ronnie Lott. The closer he is to the niner clubhouse, the better. Last year, Rod Woodson came to Santa Clara for a feel good piece…and what did he say? Taylor Mays is the future. Sounds like something a former Raider would say. Ronnie Lott is a Niner for life.

by t p on Nov 10, 2011 11:10 AM PST reply actions  

so was

Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, Jerry Rice, and Bill Romanowski. 49ers don’t retire, they just play for the Raiders

by mcwagner on Nov 10, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Al tried to find the winning residue for his no longer winning teams

- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Nov 10, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Two seasons

He’s a former Niner who happened to play for the Raiders and Jets.

- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Nov 10, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

no.

niners have the personnel to render that experiment useless. and in the secondary he just leaves so much to be desired in defense of the pass. he mad a bundle of tackles in his games played, but they were usually on receivers who already caught the ball and were downfield.

he’ll be a project in cincy, and it’ll take some time and good coaching to get him ready to play his rightful role of safety.

by t p on Nov 10, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Ronnie Lott laying those "Woooo" hits on Mark Bavaro

Remember?

Ronnie & Giants T.E. Bavaro had some of the most physicall battles in NFL.

However, Bavaro won his fair share too. I rember him dragging half the 9ers team after he caught a ball….. the guy was a moose to try and tackle down.

by BigMar on Nov 10, 2011 11:55 AM PST reply actions  

Bavaro was a man, but so was Lott


You could cut off a part of their body and they would go out and play… what? They actually did?

by mcwagner on Nov 10, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

i like how he's tackling Bavaro

while also kicking some poor dude in the face.

by t p on Nov 10, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Scientifically Proven

Ronnie Lott can kick 100 yards in any direction, just to be sure that nobody’s safe.

by t p on Nov 11, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

That 1990 MNF game was epic

Lott put two nightmare hits on Bavaro. And the defense was so dominant.

- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Nov 10, 2011 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Bet you did

Other than the giveaway fumble, I enjoyed it too. Amazing to think that the Niners’ defense did not allow a well coached Giants offense to score one TD in two games that season.

- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Nov 11, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Goldson versus Giants T.E, Ballard who is 6-6 / 275 lbs!

and Ballard has an avereage of 17.7 yards per reception!

Lets hope Goldson can control this guy?

by BigMar on Nov 10, 2011 12:01 PM PST reply actions  

it will be a good week to try to defend the pass

rather than trying to blow up someone bigger than he is. i hope the coaches are in his ear this week.

by t p on Nov 10, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking along these lines yesterday...

I have a feeling Goldson is gonna do something crazy in this game… I was thinking he is gonna try to blow up Jacobs at some point. Come flying in and try to knock the hell out of him… not sure how it will work out, but I have a feeling.

by Sigelvictory on Nov 10, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

ever see

Jack Tatum vs. Earl Campbell? The aftershocks are still traveling through space blowing up planets.

by mcwagner on Nov 10, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

it depends...if Goldson can lay a "wooo" hit while seperating him from ball, do it!

and you have no choice to be physical with a beast like Ballard 6-6 / 275 lbs, because if you don’t he will!

by BigMar on Nov 10, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Willis will be covering him...

We’d be stupid to try putting one of the safeties on him and not leaving them to help in the secondary. We’d be best playing nickel the entire game with Willis covering Ballard exclusively and Bowman being able to roam.

by 9thevolution on Nov 10, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

isn't it awesome

that Bowman can be left with those responsibilities and no one worries. Willis is my MVP, but Bowman is the biggest shock and his emergence is a blessing

by mcwagner on Nov 10, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Funny thing is, I never particularly felt like we had a rivalry with the NYG.

Maybe the word rivalry gets thrown around too much. Yes, we were both strong teams through that period. But I didn’t get any more joy from beating the Giants than I did from, say, beating Chicago.

A rivalry is about more than just playing each other often, or playing each other often in games that matter. It’s about that something extra – that feeling we saw between the Cowboys and Niners in the early 90s, when you circled their regular season game the moment the schedule was announced and said things like, “That – that is the game that matters.”

by Ronaldinho on Nov 10, 2011 12:22 PM PST reply actions  

You never felt that?

These two teams played each other more frequently than the Niners and Cowboys did in the 90s. From 1981-1993, they met 9 times in the regular season (SF 7-2) including every regular season from ‘86-’92 (including playoffs, at least once every season from ‘84-’93).

Six of the regular season games were game of the week MNF (SF 4-2).

They met on six occasions in the playoffs with each team winning three times. Each team saw two of their winners advance to become SB champion.

The Niners’ defense held the Giants offense without a TD in three of those playoff games.

I think back to the opposite styles, future HOF coaches, opposite coasts, highlight game of the regular season for TV ratings. Those were great days and physical games.

- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Nov 10, 2011 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I know. It's just - they were just games against another good team.

Even in the Craig-fumble NFC championship game, which hurt like hell, there wasn’t that extra, “I can’t believe we lost to /them/!” aspect to it for me.

And if you don’t have that, it doesn’t feel like a rivalry to me.

by Ronaldinho on Nov 11, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Gotcha

I felt differently. I respect them as much now as I disliked them then. They were IMO more of the road block to the Niners than any other NFC team. Rams, Redskins, and Bears never concerned me that they’d beat the Niners when it mattered.

- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Nov 11, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I would say Giants 49ers hey day in the rivalry was the 80's more than the 90's

They played a lot and played a ton of games that mattered. In fact I would say the Giants put an end to the Montana era in San Fran in the NFC championship game. After that hit on Montana he was never the same.

by Late for Dinner on Nov 11, 2011 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I think fans in KC might disagree

He was darn good in ‘93 getting them to the AFC Championship game. And I recall the many fans who believed that if Montana had started the ’92 NFC title game, the Niners would’ve beaten Dallas. He didn’t turn the ball over in big games and was money in the red zone. Young played poorly that day. I’d say it was more the presence of Young that put an end to that era.

- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Nov 11, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Here Eli let me help u...SYKE

I believe in excellence. I believe in Alex Smith.

by 9er4Life on Nov 10, 2011 12:30 PM PST reply actions  

Giant fans don't seem to think this is a rivalry

Checked out some of their fan boards. Other than a few (knowledgable) fans there are a lot of folks who seem to think the ‘niners are an over- rated fraud the Giants will expose. Comments like: "haven’t played anyone", “Alex Smith is awful” or my favorite – “this game is a lay-up”. I hope their team is as over-confident as they are!

by mwright84 on Nov 10, 2011 4:14 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Some peopl just don't get it.

The Bucs, Lions, and Cincy are nobodies? Everyone still thinks Philly is hot stuff even though they are terrible this year. Washington and Cleveland have good defenses which make things ugly. We beat Seattle, but the Giants didn’t… Our only loss was to Dallas, and in my eyes that loss was more flukey than any of our wins.

by Nick Bays on Nov 10, 2011 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

The “haven’t played anyone” is the laziest argument of all.

- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Nov 10, 2011 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

lazier than say

we play in a ‘super weak division’?

by Doni S on Nov 11, 2011 12:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, you know, you can find people on NN who think this one's going to be a wipeout in our favor -

- which isn’t terribly likely. We’ve got people already penciling us in for the NFC championship game all over this board.

Their losses are uglier than ours, but their win over Philly was more impressive. Really hard to tell how this one is going to shake out. Should be a good game.

by Ronaldinho on Nov 11, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

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