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Steve Young: Time To Open Things Up!

On a fairly weekly basis, 49ers Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young chats with Ralph Barbieri and Tom Tolbert. He discusses the NFL in general but always has plenty to say about the San Francisco 49ers. Yesterday, Young took some time to talk about the 49ers development into a 7-1 team and what it can mean for the team moving into the second half of the season. I've embedded some audio after the jump and you can also read a transcript of the segment. I think it goes to auto-audio, so if people are getting annoyed by that, let me know.

Without listening to the tone and voice inflection, it's entertaining to read through the transcript and the level of excitement Steve Young displays. Seeing him struggled to balance calling the team "we" and "they" might actually be the highlight of it.

The most interesting part of his segment came when he discussed the development of the offense and the coming games on the team's schedule. Young advocates for using some of the team's remaining games to mess around a bit with the offense by opening things up on occasion to see what the team can get from the offense:

Now, offensively, is where if we're actually going to threaten - and we might as well, we're 7-1, let's go deep! Let's do it! - I talked about this a couple week ago, at some point as we have some games to, not waste, but some games to toy a little bit, not toy, what's the word, we have games that we have to really push the envelope, let's do it offensively, let's throw the ball 40 times just once, just to see how it goes. Let's go no huddle. Let's go win it with the passing game. Let's say, "That's what we're going to do." Because if we can develop another kind of set - because we can run it, obviously, we've got a great running game, we can pack it - I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here!

I have seen some folks advocating for this here in the comments. Is this something you save for some of the divisional games? Or does the type of game matter? I'd argue this weekend you have to stick with whatever your basic game plan is given the importance of beating the Giants for playoff implications. Do folks disagree?

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Who does this guy think he is?

Steve Young, never heard of him…

Come on, Alex, please be good this year..

by Jesse Reed on Nov 10, 2011 12:16 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

seriously!

all this “we” stuff, you would think he played for the Niners or something!

Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.

by 49erLou on Nov 10, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Coach Harbaugh is the truth!!

by chris z on Nov 10, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Just another bandwagon fan

If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross

by doubleteapot on Nov 10, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

yea, what the heck?

you would think the guy could hire a decent tailor if he’s so ‘high profile’. sheesh.

by t p on Nov 10, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Steve Young

Ex-quarterback of the San Francisco 49ers. Known as one of the best players of his time, Young was dangerous with his arm as well as his feet. The last 49er to win the Superbowl MVP and is now in the Hall of Fame. I’m really not all that surprised that no one here has heard of him. Fun player to watch, you should check him out.

by mcwagner on Nov 10, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

except he was absolutely terrible at sliding…

by riderless on Nov 10, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

What a bust

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.

by manraj7 on Nov 11, 2011 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

For real?

This whole time I thought …

"Aaaaaaaal Apalachicola"

by bonbrillio on Nov 10, 2011 2:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

ohhhh young is his LAST name

I kept looking at the guy and thinking, ‘he doesn’t look that young’

by reedkrase on Nov 10, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he use to be the QB for some team in FL.

then he moved on to bigger and better things. not sure how that turned out.

Coach Harbaugh is the truth!!

by chris z on Nov 10, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I do think the Niners need to open it up more, especially on third down. No more trick plays like Delanie Walker handoffs, give the ball to Alex and see if he can convert some of them.

If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
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by doubleteapot on Nov 10, 2011 12:35 PM PST reply actions  

I would rather the team "open it up" against the better teams...

We need the division games badly because if NO or Atlanta starts to threaten for the #2 seed, we need the division record as a potential tie-breaker. We can obviously sling it around a bit more against them, but don’t just divert from what is working so well.

by 9thevolution on Nov 10, 2011 12:35 PM PST reply actions  

tiebreaker

It goes to conference record not divisional record when it involves teams not in the same division.

by David Fucillo on Nov 10, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I get that

I just want to see them sling it. See if it’s something we can actually pull off…I think we can, actually. We will need to once January arrives.

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by lottwasgangsta on Nov 10, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

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Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."

by See Jay on Nov 10, 2011 12:44 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

That's better

It’s been a while since I took C++ :)

Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."

by See Jay on Nov 10, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

In java id be

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else {
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by MRandolph on Nov 10, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Wrong.

break; will break the enclosing loop (while(season) { or whatever it is). It does nothing for the if clause.

by Mindless on Nov 10, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Cheer and fix should be function calls: cheer(); and fix();

by Mindless on Nov 10, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

If all we can do is run middle and dink/dunk passing

our chances of winning a playoff game go downhill dramatically

by mrg80 on Nov 10, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

According to whom?

We’ve beaten quality teams with the formula we’ve got going on. 20-30 passing attempts, and a creative, deceptive running game is a good formula. Why abandon the plan that’s won you 7/8 games (really 8/8 since the Cowboys was all but won except for one busted coverage) for a plan with a lot of risk and no guarantee of success?

Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."

by See Jay on Nov 10, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Please note:

I’m not saying we shouldn’t take some shots downfield. I’m saying abandoning our run-first philosophy to throw 40 passes per game is a bad idea.

Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."

by See Jay on Nov 10, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not saying throw 40 times

But going conservative with a small lead is a recipe for disaster. With a 10 point lead, we should be going for the throat. Not going 3 and out with an occasional low turnover risk gimick play that is unlikely to get a 1st down.

We’re also kicking WAY too many field goals in the red zone, as we pound Gore against a 9 man box.

by mrg80 on Nov 10, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

OK

I’m just going with what the article said about throwing 40 passes.

Anyways, I don’t disagree about going for the throat. But, if the running game is having success (as it has lately), I see no reason to start airing it out instead. You keep running on running downs and pass if you need to to move the chains. I’m NOT advocating the Singletary special (dive, dive, dive, punt) with a 3 point lead. I want to see a happy medium between throwing the bomb and dive^3.

Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."

by See Jay on Nov 10, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Bingo ...!!

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by Edggy on Nov 11, 2011 6:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Quality teams? WHo? The teams we have beaten have shown they are less than quality.

Lions and Eagles are not quality teams, they can’t stop the run vs anyone. Eagles are 3-5 and the Lions have had a soft schedule early on. Tampa? Ok, if you believe that and I personally think the best team we have faced all year is Cincy……go figure!

Leggoooo!!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 10, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

Your ability to be consistently pessimistic is…consistent.

Lions are probably the best team we have faced, and they will be good for awhile; they are just young right now.

Bengals will be exposed after they play the Ravens and Steelers.

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by lottwasgangsta on Nov 10, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Meh

The Lion offense basically boils down to “can you cover Calvin”. If you can, they don’t have one. Stafford isn’t a good quarterback yet, they have no running game, and their options aside from Minitron are mediocre.

by Ougadas on Nov 11, 2011 4:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

But, people can’t really cover him. So, they remain viable.

This isn’t their playoff year in all likelihood, but it is the year they climb back to relevance.

Eagles have a lot of talent, regardless of their record. I maintain that Cincy will be exposed, starting with a pissed of Steelers team Sunday…

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by lottwasgangsta on Nov 11, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Cincy might surprise some people

Although their toughest game so far this year was when they played us.

by Ougadas on Nov 12, 2011 1:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Their defense is for real

But, while Dalton has been quite good for a rookie, there will soon be enough tape on him for opposing D coordinators to work with.

But yeah, they could surprise if a few things fall their way.

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by lottwasgangsta on Nov 12, 2011 5:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Please share why playoff chances dimenish.....

We have “…run middle and dink and dunk passing” to a 7 and 1 record. Now we should stop doing what is working and effective and do what precisely? And more importantly – why should we do that? True, in a playoff game a team may try one, maybe two plays they don’t normally do. But basically, all year long you’ve played a certain style a particular way. You can’t and don’t get in the playoffs and suddenly become something totally different. So my point is, playoffs or regular season – football is football. If you got there by winning with “dink and dunk” why in the name of the Holy’s would you suddenly try to be something different? Share that with me please. Thanx.

by ninernutt on Nov 10, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

But but but

Braylon Edwards is on my FF team and I really really need him to produce…

by Da Bum on Nov 10, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Last three weeks I've had crabtree on my FF team - thought he would break out

I’ve finally benched him so I’m pretty sure Crabtree is about to have a 3TD game

by reedkrase on Nov 10, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Generally speaking

In the playoffs we’ll see:
1. Better offenses
2. Better defenses
3. Better coaching that will gameplan to shut down our predictable play
4. We won’t be ready to change our style because we haven’t tried anything different

Point 4 is what Steve is trying to say. John Beck isn’t unlikely to thrown 2 4th Qtr TDs to beat us. Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, etc have the ability to.

I’d love to think that our D would take care of business, but I don’t want to be in the position of holding on and praying every game. Sooner or later, you’re going to give up a play to good teams.

by mrg80 on Nov 10, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

True

I think we will open it up over the next several weeks, and come January, be a lot less one dimensional offensively.

The thing I don’t get is this: We have a couple playmakers who are perfect for the west coast offense- throw quick, short passes to VD, Crabs, and Walker, and all 3 can run with it, if they can catch it in stride.

Harbaugh has done an excellent job thus far, so I believe in him, but it seems like a pretty simple fix, so I am unsure why we aren’t trying it more often. I know Vernon has dropped a couple, and Alex throws Crabtree a bit high, but still…

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by lottwasgangsta on Nov 11, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep...open it up & and take some deep shots down field

I have been saying this for weeks now.

The 9ers should game plan to take at least 1 shot down field each quarter…. and to different WR each time.

Scenario something like this…..

1st quarter deep shot to Crabtree

2nd quarter deep shot to Vernon

3rd quarter deep shot to Edwards

4th quarter deep shot to Ginn or Williams or Walker

This gives Alex and ALL his WR weapons REAL game time experience trying to get their timing and game confidence down that anytime they wish, they can go deep to anyone one of our WR’s.

The defense won’t any clue which guy is going to be thrown to deep…..and it will give huge confidence to Alex that he can indeed hit anyone of our WR’s and T.E’s deep.

In the PLAYOFFS, should we get there, you gotta be able to do EVERYTING, Run, throw short, medium and Long!

Start doing it in practice and in REAL games from here on out!

by BigMar on Nov 10, 2011 12:50 PM PST reply actions  

I think they sorta do that

But they just don’t have that much success. Smith has overthrown a few, and there have been a few unfortunate drops. If Alex hits Crabtree for a few of those plays or a receiver hangs on to a pass or two and the numbers change a bit.

Still plenty of room for improvement though.

Harbaughcalypse Now

by dutra on Nov 10, 2011 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I have always said they need to fully develop their passing game to make them a complete team. If they can get this done they will be a bigger team than the Packers currently. I fully feel that the 49ers defense is better. But as it stands right now the Packers passing game is the best in football, at least for this year.

by fireroad01 on Nov 10, 2011 12:50 PM PST reply actions  

Need to beat the Giants first and foremost

I don’t know that we have to take an entire game and say throw it 40+ times, but I think it would be good to practice openning it up in game situations.

If Eli is on, our secondary is going to get torched a few times and Alex is going to have to make some throws. It would not be suprised if Alex has to execute the 2 minute drill to win the game.

by mrg80 on Nov 10, 2011 12:51 PM PST reply actions  

Now, offensively, is where if we’re actually going to threaten – and we might as well, we’re 7-1, let’s go deep! Let’s do it! – I talked about this a couple week ago, at some point as we have some games to, not waste, but some games to toy a little bit, not toy, what’s the word, we have games that we have to really push the envelope, let’s do it offensively, let’s throw the ball 40 times just once, just to see how it goes.

But you don’t do that against a team like the Giants… you do it against a division rival or something like that since they’re so far out of it.

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 10, 2011 12:53 PM PST reply actions  

Nothing like the Cardinals

To make Smith feel like Marino twice a year, amirite?

by mrg80 on Nov 10, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope so

On one of my $$ fantasy teams, I have Drew Brees with a bye in week 11. I picked up Alex Smith five or six weeks ago for the sole purpose of week 11 at home against the Cardinals.

by David Fucillo on Nov 10, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

He actually usually has excellent games against the Seahawks for whatever reason.

That’s the game I would try it in.

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 10, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Going to be a short week vs Seahags

Why did they schedule us on Saturday after a Monday night game? NFL scheduling is downright stupid sometimes. Guess we’ve been ok so far with getting 2 teams on 1 short day, but 2 days short is weaksauce.

by mrg80 on Nov 10, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's dumb...

NFL’s equivalency of a double-header.

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 10, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

schedules

Not sure why they scheduled that way, but Sunday to Thursday is worse.

by David Fucillo on Nov 10, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

This is true

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 10, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

Thursday games are just dumb. I give Thanksgiving a pass and opening week isn’t horrible. Rest of it is just idiocy.

by mrg80 on Nov 10, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

At least the games are better matched than MNF.

As far as I am concerned. MNF died when they booted Hank. I think Goodell is the biggest joke at his position than any other figure in the NFL.

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 10, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s like saying I’d rather eat cowflops over dog crap

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 10, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

I think I would rather eat cowflops over dog crap. A least if they’re dried out…

by riderless on Nov 10, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think it's booting HWII

I think it’s the fact that most of the matchups have sucked. Seriously.

I enjoy the hell out of MNF, but it’s been the least compelling slate of games so far in the past decade or so.

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by lottwasgangsta on Nov 11, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

This.

Stern is a joke at this point and they better resolve the lockout. I’m not a Goodell fan either.

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by Joshuahss on Nov 10, 2011 2:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I thought that was ESPN's decision

to drop bocephus. I don’t think Goodell was part of that, or are you just talking about the crappy games the NFL scheduled for MNF this year?

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by bakoninerfan on Nov 10, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Both...

But I am positive that Goodell influenced ESPN’s decision. I have no proof but a strong sneaking suspicion… he is after all the anti-christ… he’s got that power.

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 10, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Thureday night games should come from teams that had a bye the week before ...!!

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by Edggy on Nov 11, 2011 6:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Because they didn't want all the teams having to play on Christmas.

That’s why that game and many other are on Saturday.

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by mikeinsp on Nov 10, 2011 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I would not

choose this week to throw the ball 40 times, not against the Giants DL… I joked at the beginning of the season that they may as well expose Alex Smith to danger, because hey, Alex Smith!… but now I am not so sure. Arizona or Seattle would be a good choice, especially after they are out of the race.

They are probably going to have 3-4 games at the end of the season where everything is as close to clinched as it can be.
Either that or they are going to lay an egg in the first half of a game and have to play catchup in the 2nd half… then you will see some passing.

To be honest… the injury list for this week has me a little worried. They have 8 games left and if they go 4-4 they probably have a 1st round bye. At some point, the primary goal of the team will be to keep/get everyone healthy.

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by zenbitz on Nov 10, 2011 12:55 PM PST reply actions  

That's the line in the main article

Steve Young suggesting exactly that.

let’s do it offensively, let’s throw the ball 40 times just once, just to see how it goes

Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."

by See Jay on Nov 10, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

This is the problem with taking paid showmen seriously

They are not paid to have effective ideas, these “analysts” are paid to say shocking and inflamatory things to sell advertising. I love Steve and he is a smart guy, but I will take Harbaugh’s opinion over Steve’s on this one. Steve is not paid to win this next game for the Niners and he will not take the heat if is “idea” is a bad one. Harbaugh has proven he knows how to win games and always has a nifty game plan in his bag of tricks, so why worry about what they SHOULD or SHOULD NOT do to get ready. Harbaugh is well paid and has demonstrated that he is capable of making those decisions.

Steve is also approaching this from the perspective of an HOF QB on a mature offense surrounded by HOF talent. The Niners have been running this offense for 3-4 months, not 6+ years.

by Da Bum on Nov 10, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This

Steve Y also has a pretty big ego and self-centered perspective. (and I would consider myself a fan from his playing days. he did some grreat things..)

by zacksf on Nov 10, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice

Circular reference

Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!

by dartdart on Nov 10, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Not this week

This is the first game this year that actually has direct playoff seed implications. Granted, if we make some boneheaded mistakes and get down big early, we don’t have a choice.

But against a poor offense, I don’t see any reason why we wouldn’t.

When you have a defense like ours you have the luxury of taking more risk because there is a very good chance that you won’t have to pay for failing.

And when you succeed, you strengthen your defense because the greater the lead, the more risk the other team has to take which provides more opportunity for the defense to make big plays.

by Ougadas on Nov 10, 2011 1:14 PM PST reply actions  

I always feel weird doing that

but it seems more natural than the third person IMO

Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."

by See Jay on Nov 10, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I do the same thing lol

Some people here have a big problem with it but I don’t think its a big deal. Especially when you’ve been a dedicated, faithful fan for several years. I think its great that Steve says we. He’s not a “homer” as an analyst and he’s very critical of the 49ers but he will always be a part of the 49ers organization through his legacy.

by agchee on Nov 10, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I notice he says "they"

when “we’re” sucking…

Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!

by dartdart on Nov 10, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely

He took us to a SB and set a record throwing TDs. Importantly he also retired a 49er. I wish Jerry had…

by riderless on Nov 10, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I AM IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH STEVE YOUNG !!!!! LETS OPEN IT UP AND SEE WHAT WE ARE REALLY MADE OF INSTEAD OF LETING THE DEFENSE DO ALL THE WORK !!!!!

by slammin on Nov 10, 2011 1:26 PM PST reply actions  

UNLEASH THE FURY

of the Caps Lock button.

Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."

by See Jay on Nov 10, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

LOUD NOISES

P.S. this is a terrible idea.

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by Joshuahss on Nov 10, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

PA WR Streaks...

To start a ball game with. At this point in the season, you could probably usea wierd package to throw the defense off, fake a run and just chuck it down field as far as Alex can throw.

by MATTCW on Nov 10, 2011 1:29 PM PST reply actions  

Rinse and Repeat

Steve Young has been saying this every interview since he retired. Again it’s not a matter of will, it’s a matter of not yet having the skill.

by bignerd on Nov 10, 2011 1:33 PM PST reply actions  

I'd like the WRs more involved down the field

It would be enough for me if there was a deep post or some deep pass completed once this weekend. They occasionally complete a deep-ish pass but it’s usually to a TE or in an unusual gotcha! play like the one to Bruce Miller. The 49ers have weapons at WR and they’re not utilized beyond 15 yards. I get jealous when I see all the other teams getting a good deep pass every week… Although they’re not 7-1…

by mavisdory on Nov 10, 2011 1:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Keep that jeaolosy in check

Right now, we are a slip and a busted coverage away from being the only OTHER unbeaten team in the NFL. LOL Trust Harbaugh until he fails (and probably trust him to learn and do better next time…)

by Da Bum on Nov 10, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

Dont open it up unless we have to!!! What are we trying to prove? That we can hang in a shootout with GB? JH has something that is very valuable as a new rookie HC….Lack of film!!!! Why show other teams our hand unless we need to?

I would think everyone agrees that a big part of our offense is scheme and inguinity (<~ spelling?) Keeping the hand close to the vest has been kind of a motto with this staff this season. Open it up when needed but dont open it just to prove to Merrill Hodge or Colin Cowherd that we can hang with Rodgers or Brees!!!!

by Frisco_Kid on Nov 10, 2011 1:37 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Yes

It’l just be our secret…….

by Dubniner on Nov 10, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

But what if opening it up leads to several interceptions and a loss of confidence in the QB?

Or a few sacks and an injury to AleX? That is very likely if you do so against a team with the DL of the Giants. I think the coaching staff knows exactly what they are doing in order to keep Smith’s confidence high and give the team the best chance to win.

I’d say opening it up against a team like the Cardinals might be a good thing but there is no correlation between throwing 40 times improving your passing game. Game reps are important but the key is continuing to put the offense and team in general the best chance to win.

I’d even say that opening it up has hurt teams like Baltimore, Atlanta and the Bucs in the past as they got away from what they did best. The QB shows improvement and then the OC puts more of the gameplan on his shoulders, which backfires because that is how the team is built. In my opinion slinging it 40 times is a bad idea at this point unless the team is behind or they are playing an opponent with little pass rush.

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by Joshuahss on Nov 10, 2011 1:51 PM PST reply actions  

I don't want to see that this year at all.

I know Smith hasn’t been lighting teams up but I’d much rather have him than Kaep running the team in the playoffs. I like CK7 going forward, but this year I want AleX at the helm.

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by Joshuahss on Nov 10, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't really think Young honest meant "40" times...

he used that figure to make a point….simply was trying to say throw a bit more, that’s all.

by BigMar on Nov 10, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Even so it seems like a bad idea to get away from what the team is good at.

Especially until the team clinches their seed in the playoffs. I’d like to see the team be a little less conservative, but only a tad. That said I feel like the coaching staff knows what they are doing.

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by Joshuahss on Nov 10, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

No.

You play to win, which the Niners have been doing so far.

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by Joshuahss on Nov 11, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think people are realizing the difference between:

Throwing on 3rd and 7
versus
Running a reverse or tight end handoff

I don’t think that’s asking too much

by mrg80 on Nov 10, 2011 2:03 PM PST reply actions  

That seems like a reasonable suggestion to me

That is NOT what Steve said. The article was about the ranting of Steve Young. Love the guy, but his job is to make crazy statements that get people talking and clicking… kinda like this article. Steve, you are HOF!

by Da Bum on Nov 10, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

They are throwing on 3rd down

But they’re seeing a lot of 3rd and long because they’re NOT throwing often on 1st down, or farther than a few yards.

by TortureOpp on Nov 10, 2011 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Opening things up

I think the 49ers are at a point where they need to open things up in the passing game, if not they will lose Gore again in the next couple of weeks. Gores ankle is already tweaked, so if the passing game don’t open up then the 49ers will lose their running game to injury again. I’m not saying Hunter cant run I just don’t think Hunter is ready to take every snap, so in order to keep Gore healthy and keep the running game strong I think that the passing game definitely needs to open up. If Smith cant get it done then lets see what the kid can do, but that’s just my opinion.

by Nicholas Kitchman on Nov 10, 2011 2:22 PM PST reply actions  

+1

I think its good to start think post-season. We obviously need to give Hunter more snaps and try to get Gore back to 100% before we make “the run.” But I don’t think that its a situation where we want to see if we can, although its part of it, but we need to make opposing defenses have to spend more time game planning every aspect of our game, not just the run.

by agchee on Nov 10, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

mmm

I think a compromise might work just as well; not necessarily +40 passes in a game…but somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 throws w/some of these going deep; we’re predominantly a run team & if only a limited number of opposing defenses can stop our bread & butter, I don’t see why we should game plan by ‘pass-heavy-team-rules’

you wanna throw for +400 yards like Vick did against us, that’s fine; we’ll ram the ball down your throat, mix it in through the air and see comes out on top; in this instance, we did. Our offense ain’t broke…I see no reason to dramatically change it

by Doni S on Nov 10, 2011 2:23 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

I think Steve has a point.

When we get to the Playoffs (doesn’t that sound good) teams will be gearing up for the Niners run offense. They will try & will succeed to a certain extent to stop our run. Just like we stop other teams runs. If Gore gets 70-80 ypg, where do we go to get points? Might as well see what you have now under fire. Can Alex throw 20-30 yard completions on a regular basis. Without INT’s. Can he float one in the corner of the end-zone? I know the coaches know this, they are to good not to know, work on, that type of thing. Better to do it now, when we can work on it than when we need it in a game with the score 27-10 their way!! That is not the time to say Alex pull our butt out of the fire!

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by L. J on Nov 10, 2011 2:24 PM PST reply actions  

Why tip our hand now?

When we get to the playoffs (yes, that does sound good) teams will be geared up to stop the run. They will have no film and no other way to prepare for our passing game. Shock and awe.

by reedkrase on Nov 10, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

You have a point but........

If there is no testing during game time under some pressure how do you know he can get it done?

by Nicholas Kitchman on Nov 10, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

As Steve has said

You can’t just magically turn it on in the playoffs with no in game practice

by mrg80 on Nov 10, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Because we aren't going to show anything new.

There really aren’t any “secret plays” that can be drawn up that are not gimmicks.

Against the standard series of Cover 2, Cover 3, Cover 4, and man concepts there are a limited number of route combinations that can find a hole in the zone and challenge the zone discipline of the defenders. Everybody we play will see them for 15 other games so when we do open things up we aren’t showing them anything new.

You get more benefit from the experience of having run the play 100 times than nobody seeing you run it before.

This is one reason we’ll never get an every play coach’s cam angle.

by Ougadas on Nov 10, 2011 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

We gotta throw it deep and complete the deep pass

without completing the ball the play is worthless

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.

by manraj7 on Nov 10, 2011 2:28 PM PST reply actions  

Why is there a need to throw 40 times..when we are so effective running?

They should focus more on sharing carries with Hunter/DIxon so Gore remains healthy come playoffs

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by Grabtree15 on Nov 10, 2011 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

Sounds like a plan ... but not this game.

Or against the Ravens or Steelers.

Hunter/Dixon run play emphasis with Gore in enough to keep him sharp if fully healthy or give him a “Veteran’s Preference” game day day-off if he’s at all dinged up.

I especially like your suggestion combined with BigMar’s to put in a deep pass at least once each quarter to different receivers. Preserve’s Gore for the most important games, while giving Smith and our WRs game time experience to back up the increased long pass reps in practice time that would be expected to prepare for such passes.

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by OffensiveInterference on Nov 10, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Thsi quote right here sums up why being 7-1 is not enough even for a playoff starved franchise. I mean going to the playoffs is gonna be enough because we're young, as Marino about that.
I don’t want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they’re more predictable, we know what we’re going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: “Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!” No, we’re here!

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by rlott#42 on Nov 10, 2011 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

Young is right

If we go to the playoffs, they better TRY THEIR BEST and pull out all the tricks because we dont know if the Niners could repeat this success next year

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by Grabtree15 on Nov 10, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

They better pull out tricks to get there. The niners should be looking to get the best seed possible.

I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young

by rlott#42 on Nov 10, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

They could...

The rest of the schedule has a lot of division games. 5 out of the next 8. So we basically have 3 playoff caliber teams left on the schedule in the Giants, Steelers, and Ravens.

Outside of that…

2 against the Cards…
2 against the Rams…
1 against the ’Hawks

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 10, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

What's the best seeding for us?

I heard one talk-show guy say that it may be better for us as a #2 seed instead of a #1, but I didn’t get to hear the reasoning behind his statement. Anyone have information on why that might be true?

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by OffensiveInterference on Nov 10, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think it really makes a difference.
  1. and #2 both get a bye. I am not sure a bye is the best way to go. Sometimes teams struggle after a bye, so who knows what’s best, really.

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 10, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Championship Game

If No. 1 and No. 2 wind up in the Championship game against each other, No. 1 gets homefield advantage

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 10, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

There's no way to say at this point other than homefield

Because you have no idea who will end up in the other slots and who wins the first round

by mrg80 on Nov 10, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Right but the Giants are on track for an easy one as well.

I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young

by rlott#42 on Nov 10, 2011 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Alex is not very accurate on his downfield throws

Which is why they should throw a hail mary the first play…when the Giants are least expecting it

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by Grabtree15 on Nov 10, 2011 2:54 PM PST reply actions  

So you want a pass that is 20-25% accurate on 1st down?

PASS!!

I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young

by rlott#42 on Nov 10, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope, i dont mind winning by running

but it keeps the defense honest

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by Grabtree15 on Nov 10, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

For one play? On the very first play?

Why not? It’s not the worst gamble in the world.

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 10, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

VS the Giants, i wouldn't. I think they can be ran on. I also don't like the idea of not letting a Qb that hasn't shown to be accurate on deep throws to not be warmed up with some completions under the belt.

I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young

by rlott#42 on Nov 10, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven't seen that seam route to Vernon lately...

That was and has been one of Alex’s most accurate deep throws that he does. I’d pull the trigger n try it. NY would never expect that. Sometimes it’s good to do the unpredictable.

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 10, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

The funny thing is...

Alex looked to me to be more accurate with down the field throws and terrible at short throws. Now it seems like they’re reversed.

by agchee on Nov 10, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Mechanics...

Harbaugh has really been working with him. His mechanics are night and day and his footwork improves each week.

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 10, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

When people say he can’t hit the longer passes they’re not exactly telling the truth.

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 10, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

He can hit them..

That drop was on VD. Yes, he had someone clinging on him, but that was not on Smith. And Miller could not have been more wide open in any scenario I can think of.. I think Smith was just saying Thank you Lord from the second he released the ball….

by D.P on Nov 10, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

How about second-and-three of the second or later possession?

Gives us a lot more options on third down if the pass is incomplete than second and ten. Also, it gives our pass protection players a chance to see the pass rush of the other team and Alex a chance to make a few attempts to get into a rhythm. Also, for a play that takes a few clicks longer to develop, I’d rather make this attempt near or past midfield, not from our 18 yard line, where a sack or interception could be much worse than downfield.

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by OffensiveInterference on Nov 10, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Vick to DeSean

It’s like the first offensive play for the eagles every game…

Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!

by dartdart on Nov 10, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

NO ONE EXPECTS...

The Alex Incompletion!

[Poorly Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM

by zenbitz on Nov 10, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course we need to open it up

The question is, though, if we can

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by MichaelClutchtree on Nov 10, 2011 3:48 PM PST reply actions  

1st offensive play of the game for the 49ers hosting Giants....

Long ball… Take that b!tche$. :-) One can hope. Imagine the $h!t-eating grin Harbaugh would have if they connected 8 seconds into their first possession….

by D.P on Nov 10, 2011 3:55 PM PST reply actions  

Need to take some effort off the D and the Run Game

It’s already been said, but the offensive unit, and conservative coaches, cannot allow the defense and Gore to shoulder all the weight. Gore doesn’t have many 16 game seasons. He needs to rest up. If we are to continue with the run game, I’d like to see Hunter and Dixon start to get 10 carries a-piece in the divisional games.

Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!

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by Mindless on Nov 10, 2011 5:39 PM PST reply actions  

Young is all excited about the Niners

You can tell he wishes he was still suiting up. Roman/Harbaugh have gotten the Niners this far. Winning right off the bat too, and barely looking back. Realistically, SF could be 8-0 right now, yet we have all these pundits/fans trying to dictate what the team “should” be doing. That is just hilarious. Harbaugh does EVERY little thing he can to make this the absolute best team he can, and he hates losing. Yet, even though he is very sav-vy, he somehow hasn’t realized that the TEAM MUST START THROWING IT DEEP. Hilarious. All is well, and all is well, and every little thing shall be well.

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by whatsURdeal on Nov 10, 2011 7:03 PM PST reply actions  

Who here really thinks there are smarter and have more information than Harbaugh?

That would be relevant to this question?

1) Harbaugh is fearless.

2) Harbaugh is smart.

3) Harbaugh will do the right thing.

We can offer our opinions here, and maybe they will throw a lot if the Giants play a lot of base and load the box.. This decision cannot be made in a vacuum. It depends on the situation and the defenses the Giants present. This is not a dress rehearsal for a high school musical.

by zacksf on Nov 10, 2011 10:09 PM PST reply actions  

Roman said AleX had the best practice of the year yesterday and stays late to help with the game plan ...

… ( Roman ) …He keeps getting better, therefore his last practice was his best one. And I mean that sincerely. The more you do it, the better you get at it. Knowing where guys are, seamlessly eliminating a read presnap perhaps, on a presnap look, and just moving smoothly into your next read, it’s just time on task and the more he does it, the better he gets at it…. lets keep in mind , that the best has yet to come …!!

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by Edggy on Nov 11, 2011 6:31 AM PST reply actions  

Throwing 40 times might be fun.

Here is another possibility: prioritize first downs.
Try to possess the ball for 36 minutes or more. Try to limit the giants offense to 62 snaps.

Now that would be entertaining!
(Maybe do that with a 50/50 mix of pass and run!)

by zacksf on Nov 11, 2011 7:18 AM PST reply actions  

What is the NFL record for drive duration?

I would guess you would need a whole lot of 4th downs converted…

by Mindless on Nov 11, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure

But time of possession has gotten up to 3 quarters (45 minutes) in a Miami vs Indianapolis matchup a couple years back.

Miami still lost.

by Ougadas on Nov 12, 2011 1:45 AM PST up reply actions  

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