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49ers Vs. Giants Recap: Did Alex Smith Just Lead A 'Shootout' Victory?

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Over the course of this week, we've had several discussions at NN about whether the 49ers could hang with another team in a shootout. Looking back on those discussions, one problem with all of that was that we never really decided what constituted a "shootout." I say this because I would argue yesterday's game was comparable to a shootout. We did not see monster point totals, but the passing games were in full effect for huge chunks of the game.

Both teams struggled early to get touchdowns, but through much of the first half, each team was slicing and dicing the opposing defense between the 20s. The 49ers led 9-6 at the half, but this was not your normal 9-6 ballgame. In the second half, both teams started putting bigger totals as the two teams combined for 32 points in the second half.

I would argue this was a shootout in the sense that the Giants were moving the ball extremely well between the 20s and were placing a certain level of pressure on the 49ers offense to keep getting points on the board. Eli made two costly mistakes and the Giants struggled in the red zone, but I felt like the 49ers had to score every possession to stay in this thing. 

Alex Smith did not put together huge passing totals, but he did have his second highest yardage performance of the season. The 49ers have not blown the gates off the passing game too frequently, but we've seen four games where Alex Smith has attempted 30 or more pass attempts. They were against the Bengals, the Eagles, the Lions and the Giants. 

I'm not saying he is the second coming of Joe Montana, but in all four of those games the 49ers trailed in the fourth quarter. They handed the ball to Smith and he made plays when the team needed plays. The 49ers have been fairly conservative in the passing game, but even before unleashing a wave of passes in the first quarter yesterday, Alex Smith had shown an ability to take control of games and help guide the 49ers to victory.

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I would argue that yesterday was an exclamation mark on his 2011 season to date as opposed to a breakthrough. There is talk of this being a breakthrough because it was on his shoulders with the running game struggling and the defense getting gashed at times by Eli Manning. However, for me it was  confirmation of what he has shown at times, but never been able to do with complete consistency.

This is only one game and the 49ers still have much more to accomplish this season. They are not playing perfect football, and I would argue that makes this season all the more exciting. Aside from the Bucs game, the 49ers have not played a perfect game. Maybe they won't play a perfect game this season, but they have something to keep building towards. They have questions that they need to keep answering week in and week out. This is what allows them to keep improving as the season moves along.

It is pretty amazing that this team is still improving and has such a high ceiling above them at this point. People continue to doubt the 49ers. As recently as last night on NFL Network, Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders questioned whether Alex Smith could get the 49ers to the Super Bowl. I don't know what will happen in January, but I am incredibly excited to find out.

 

QB Alex Smith
Press Conference - November 13, 2011
San Francisco 49ers vs. New York Giants

Alex, at what point did you know that you guys would be opening the game so pass happy?

"All week we kind of talked about it, and then obviously as we just got closer to the game, we knew that's what it was going to be like. No shock to me. The way we've been running it the last five games the attention to the O-line. We knew we were going to have to come balanced and potentially soften them up throwing it, so." 

So throwing was a way to open up the running game?

"It would just be balanced I guess. No question. They both feed off of each other, but we knew we weren't going to be able to beat our head against the wall, so." 

Alex, have you heard any comments particularly from the Giants' media and the Giants players themselves about you being a game manager and things like that?

"I just saw the one that I got called a manager or whatever, and this and that. I could really care less honestly. That is the honest truth. It feels good to be 8-1. I managed myself into a victory that's all I could care about."

What did you see on the touchdown play to TE Vernon Davis?

"He's just so fast. Anytime they're playing the zones and then trying to pass things off, he just has so much speed it's trouble to pass off. They tried to pass it off and couldn't bump it off in time, and that's what happened with Vernon up the sideline." 

Alex, do you feel like this is one of the biggest games in your career just because you threw the ball so much?

"I don't know. It was a huge game. I don't know. I'm not going to compare it to any other games. It was a really good game. We talked about it all week. This was a big challenge for us. We've got a quality opponent coming in here, and we were going to have to go after these guys. And we did that, and the guys around me played great." 

Does that label bother you at all, manager?

"I honestly could care less. I don't care. We're winning games. That's the types of games we've been into. The offensive line's been playing great, and [RB] Frank [Gore]'s been running it, and we've been able to do that. And the way defense has been playing as well, it's just the way the games have gone. So, I didn't look at it any different." 

At what point did you know Frank was hampered a little bit? I mean we didn't see him in the second half.

"I didn't really know until halftime, honestly. I didn't know what had happened." 

Alex, do you feel like this is a little bit more your team now after today just because it was more on you today with Frank not being able to produce?

"No, I don't know that I feel it's any more my team. It feels great to-knew we were going to get a lot put on our shoulders in the pass game, as far as the guys on the perimeter and me. And it feels great to be accountable to your teammates. We work so hard, so to be able to hold up our end and to come through the way we did, feels great." 

You guys are 8-1 now, you beat New York, obviously the biggest market, this was a national T.V. game, is it impossible for you guys to be under the radar anymore?

"I have no idea. That's probably a better question for you guys. I'm not thinking about that. It was a big win for us yeah. Obviously all week we talked about it. We had the number one, we had [Troy] Aikman and Joe Buck doing the game. First time in a long time. The number one Fox crew and all that, the national media here, this and that. So, yeah knew as we continued to win we are getting on a bigger stage and that's exactly what we want. We want to continue to climb and get on a bigger stage." 

Alex, how good do you think you guys are?

"8-1. That's it, obviously you are as good as your record. You're as good as your last game and we beat a really good football team." 

Can you put that into perspective a little bit, just joking about the Fox crew coming in here, but you've been through a lot here to be sitting here now at 8-1 in this position, just kind of put it into perspective.

"To tell you the truth, the thing that I'm loving the most is the guys we've got in the locker room. They're so much fun. Come into work every single day, playing for each other, having a blast. The locker room, these few hours after the game, you put in so much all week, and to get to celebrate these few hours after the game with each other and to come out on top, that's what we're playing for." 

Is it different than it has been in the past?

"Yeah we're winning, yeah." 

Alex, how would you compare that crowd and that atmosphere in the stadium to the past?

"Again, I don't want to compare it and this and that. But yeah, it was a big atmosphere. You could tell. The fans knew it. They had just come off and beat the Patriots last week, and coming here. All week talked about they weren't going to fly six hours to come out here and not get a victory and this and that. And we came out on top." 

Why do you not like to look back and compare the games you've played in the past?

"Because it's hard to compare after seven years. I'm not going to sit here and kick anything that happened in the last seven years. I'm thinking about now. We're on a great run. I've got a great group of guys in the locker room, and that's all I'm going to worry about."

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my own personal definition for shootout is a game in which most of the drives result in touchdowns

So, I don’t think this is a shoot out, and I don’t think the 49ers will be involved in one unless they start suffering injuries on defense.

by whistlingmountain on Nov 14, 2011 6:11 AM PST reply actions  

"Shootout" makes me think of games where the majority of passes are 30, 40, 50 yards or more

I personally am not really that excited when I watch those kinds of games. “Shootout” also makes me think of games where the scores are really high on both sides, and yeah scoring a ton of touchdowns in the game, probably almost every drive.

I’m really happy with the amount and type of passes that Alex made/attempted today. It’s the most balanced we’ve seen them do, I think.

Win or lose, at the end of the day I'm just happy to see the Niners play well... Okay, winning is good. I prefer winning.
"Yeah, I do get emotional. It fires me up. It fires me up a lot. I'm not going to apologize for that. If that offends you or anybody else, then so be it." ~ Jim Harbaugh

by El Dorado on Nov 14, 2011 6:28 AM PST reply actions  

majority of completions are over 30yds?

I wonder if that’s ever happened, even once.

Harbaughcalypse Now

by dutra on Nov 14, 2011 10:25 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

“Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders questioned whether Alex Smith could get the 49ers to the Super Bowl”

They first questionned if he would be a starter again.
Then if he would lead the 9ers to a winning season, then to the playoffs, … now the SB.
Damn, i hope they’ll end up wondering if he can lead them to a back to back SB.

I’m not entirely sure he’ll end up great or just ok. But in just less than 3 month he went from a sure bust to a potential SB winning QB. Nothing is sure yet, but it feels good.

Proud Night Owl

by zemd on Nov 14, 2011 6:28 AM PST reply actions  

nice.

I feel the same.

by silverflame49 on Nov 14, 2011 6:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Good point

Basically 50% of the teams that play in week 1 are 1 and done. One shall stand and and one shall fall. But I think it is clear we end up with a week 1 buy, so one win and we are in the NFC championship game. And Rodgers and crew is the next big test for our Defense.

by AKinferno on Nov 14, 2011 7:02 AM PST up reply actions  

One and done my hiney

We’re going to the NFC Championship. Whether we can get by the Pack remains to be seen.

Harbaugh for President

by NoDakNiner on Nov 14, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed!

But it’s not just Alex Smith — It’s the whole Niner team. This morning the national media is focused on what a great team the Giants are and how much they loved their ‘gritty’ performance. How they kept coming back and all those converted fourth-down plays.

I’m sick of it.

The best team won on Sunday. In a quarterback driven league the Niners are playing team football and they are winning. In the age of ‘Super-Star’ hype monkey mania I know the Niners don’t fit the model.

Best of all Alex Smith is beginning to become the quarterback we drafted all those years ago. We all saw the flashes of brilliance. Now we’re seeing it, but it’s folded into the context of team play.

How delightful.

by Ninerpoints on Nov 14, 2011 6:57 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Alex has always been a good QB...

He’s just now has a staff that around him that can coach him up, and make the adjustments around him for the better of the OVERALL team

by 29spYder on Nov 14, 2011 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

He's always been a talented and smart QB

With good coaching he’s now become a good one.

by jveezy on Nov 14, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

This is Alex's breakthrough season

There’s no other way to put it

Harbaugh for President

by NoDakNiner on Nov 14, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Then they laughed and laughed...

You can never tell with those two if they are just laughing because they amuse themselves or what. And it came right after Deion got done saying “49ers I am sorry, I believe in you now.” then the host asked him:

…So can Alex lead the 49ers to a super bowl…

Deion: "whoa whoa whoa, I didn’t say that. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Nobody is saying that.

Then they all start laughing.

Joe, Jerry, Steve, and....Who is next?

by 16to80fan on Nov 14, 2011 7:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I dunno

I think in order for it to be a shootout, you probably need 4 passing TDs.

There were what? 3? And they all came near the end?

It’s kind of close, but I don’t think “shootout” would be the appropriate term.

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by PNK on Nov 14, 2011 6:48 AM PST reply actions  

knife fight?

not as flashy as a gun fight but nasty just the same

TGWTWS...there isn't much else that needs to be said

by McCoven on Nov 14, 2011 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, I picked a "gunfight" because relates to a shootout

But doesn’t necessarily involve a lot of ammunition being shot at the combatants; a gunfight could simply be two guys taking a shot at each other, and one guy getting hit.

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by HaikenEdge on Nov 14, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

they're breakdance fighting

Harbaughcalypse Now

by dutra on Nov 14, 2011 10:31 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

they're breakdance fighting

Harbaughcalypse Now

by dutra on Nov 14, 2011 10:31 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

rec

Harbaugh for President

by NoDakNiner on Nov 14, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

thanks

Founder of team Omté Caspeen

by Widowwolf on Nov 14, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

hey can some do me a favor fooch anyone?

I don’t know if the subject has been touched on, but I think its been overlooked with all the excitement over the win. The “skywalker” play I can’t do a fanshot to acknowledge it. I was curious which play could it have been? Im thinkin the Onside kick. Pretty genius if u think about it. Sky walker get it

by RBoogy29 on Nov 14, 2011 6:49 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

not a shootout

Mainly because of red zone defense. Easily could have been a game in the high 30s if both teams weren’t settling for field goals. Costly turnovers as well.

Not sure why they’re struggling to connect in the end zone. The 2 point conversion looked easy enough.

by mrg80 on Nov 14, 2011 6:53 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

lucky they didn't get called for a pick on that one

but it was a nice play.

Alex through a great pass to Crabtree that he couldn’t get his second hand on, but then they threw 2 really low percentage passes. They had the Ginn facemask interception. They had an iffy PI on Crabtree. Yea there are still plenty of ways they can improve on offense, I hope that each week they keep Edwards/Crabtree/Walker/Davis healthy will be another week the passing game gets a little better.

by whistlingmountain on Nov 14, 2011 6:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Crabtree should have had that TD catch...

It was a bit long, but Kyle Willimas made that exact same catch earlier this year. Crabs needs to get that.

by 9thevolution on Nov 14, 2011 7:09 AM PST up reply actions  

That was a bit tougher than Kyle Williams’ catch, but very similar play. Would have been a really good catch and we all wanted him to make it, but can’t be that upset over it.

by Virginia9er on Nov 14, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Best quote from Alex all year ...!!
" …It feels good to be 8-1. I managed myself into a victory that’s all I could care about."

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Nov 14, 2011 6:56 AM PST reply actions  

agreed

I think he’s picking up harb’s style of backhanded trash talk and not really giving a damn.

Really good game for alex. Numbers would be better if a few more balls were caught and we didn’t have some short fields, but who cares?

by mrg80 on Nov 14, 2011 7:01 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Like this quote from Silver
After Sunday, you can’t quibble with the quarterback, either. Call him a glorified handoff specialist, or call him a gunslinger. It’s all good. Whatever the Niners want Smith to do, he’ll manage.

by doyoufeellucky on Nov 14, 2011 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed on all counts...

…he really stepped up yesterday.

by Bigmouth on Nov 14, 2011 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Totally - Great presence now

He moved about in the pocket and evaded the pass rush better than i’ve ever seen him do – looked absoloutely 1st class – and remember – the Giants were no1 in sacks before the game.

by Dubniner on Nov 14, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Did anyone else notice that in the 3rd, there was a series and a half where Alex looked like he had happy feet again

Then he settled back in and we busted a couple of runs. I was worried for a few minutes, then all put to rest nicely!

by Da Bum on Nov 14, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Well he's finally allowed to read the defense and change plays accordingly....

And the plays get called on time. Plus, it’s actually a legit offense not some of the horrible systems they forced him into in the past. Alex, I don’t think was even cut out for Turner’s system, which was arguably the best year of his career up til now.

by 9thevolution on Nov 14, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

It is only a few months old too

In my head, I dream of this offense matured 2-3 years with all our weapons healthy at last!

by Da Bum on Nov 14, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I dream of it matured 1 year

with a proper offseason. I just hope we can hang on to Braylon and Morgan.

Harbaugh for President

by NoDakNiner on Nov 14, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Seven more games to go

to improve ~ to get better and better.

What a terrific win. Freaky but terrific. What a year to be a long suffering Niners fan.

Onward!

"One game at a time. Let's just keep it rolling." Justin Smith

by riderless on Nov 14, 2011 7:09 AM PST reply actions  

What are you talking about?

The Niners have all of the remaining seven games and all of the playoffs to elevate.

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Revenge is ice cream.

by HaikenEdge on Nov 14, 2011 7:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't get it.

The last time I was here, there were a ton of Alex Smith naysayers who couldn’t, for the life of them, see the upside of Alex Smith. And while I (and most Smith supporters I noticed) didn’t think he had the ability to throw up a 95 QB rating or whatever, we at least envisioned him being pretty solid… Like a Matt Hasselbeck or an Eli Manning or something. Just a guy who could manage the game, and with the right surroundings, he could flourish a bit.

This was generally laughed off like it was nonsense.

So yeah… Many of you peeps are morons… And you’re probably still trying to argue that Alex Smith is a bum and shouldn’t be their QB.

Reminds me of why I left this place.

But I realize that calling half of the people here ‘morons’ isn’t going to go over well, so I’ll leave you all alone.

Just wanted to do my Eric Cartman impression of the day: “Na na nana na na.. I made you eat your parents.”

It wouldn’t have bothered me so much if the naysayers weren’t such POS’s about their opinions. I hope they love eating crow and/or rationalizing their stances :)

by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 14, 2011 7:11 AM PST reply actions  

Tough crowd Fo sure

 I have found some have very strong public opinions, however most posters have very smart comments. I love hearing what they have to say because it is about our forty niners. Just schoolyard blogging bullies.

by mrb24 on Nov 14, 2011 8:56 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Morons ?

You can continue to stay off air.

by LASVEGASNINER on Nov 14, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

last time you were here?

When was that? I don’t remember you.

Harbaughcalypse Now

by dutra on Nov 14, 2011 10:37 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Thanks for taking the time to read before judging.

I’ve had a few runins with the Alex haters, but most of them are perfectly happy to acknowledge that Alex Smith has proved something to them this year. But go ahead and ignore all that, and call them morons. If these are the morons, I’m going to stay here and enjoy celebrating the rest of this season with the morons while your bitter and butthurt soul continues to live in the past.

by jveezy on Nov 14, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Even Clutchtree has mellowed a bit

The only truly negative voice I see these days is Rocky, and he just hates Roman.

Harbaugh for President

by NoDakNiner on Nov 14, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Rocky hates everything 49ers

he’s never once had a complimentary thing to say about this team.

by smileyman on Nov 15, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I can think of it as a "shootout"

It’s not the typical “shootout” that most would expect; such as the Cards vs. Packers wildcard game two years ago, but it was a back-and-forth scoring game. I think this is the “shootout” you have to expect from the Niners because of our defense.

It’s rare that we are going to allow a team to march down field in two minutes unless we are playing very soft prevent and that only happens when we have a comfortable lead. You could say that our defense almost allowed the Giants to do it yesterday without that comfortable lead, but we had two chances to stop them on 4th down and they made good plays to convert. We didn’t let something like the Cowgirls OT game happen though; which probably won’t happen again all year.

I think Smith proved yesterday that if we need to rely on him and the OL gives him protection like they did yesterday, we can beat any team in the league.

by 9thevolution on Nov 14, 2011 7:17 AM PST reply actions  

This wasn't a shootout, but it was a W, and what they have done all year

Great red zone D, sprinkled with take-aways. Offense moving the ball to at least the 45, to set up field goals for Akers. Getting one or two TDs. But overall a total team victory.

I am really happy with Alex this season. Yes, I said it. But I still haven’t seen anything to make me believe will be a great QB. No INTs is great (the Ginn one was on Ginn). That was his worst attribute in the past. Limiting INTs, and moving the ball down field to me is the minimum requirement to be a starting QB in the NFL. So, I now believe Alex is a legitimate starting QB. But given the quality of our QBs in the past, I would love to get a great one, after the season is over.

Seriously, given the drastic change Harbaugh has gotten from Alex, wouldn’t you love to see what he could do with an Newton, Luck, Stafford… the list goes on.

But back to the question of a shootout. A shootout is where you need to score TDs. If Field Goals are enough to be considered shootouts, most of our games this year have been shootouts. We wouldn’t even be talking about this except we want to prove the media wrong. The truth is, our D is good enough to keep us from getting into a shootout, which they proved yesterday. They held the Giants to 20 and stopped another comback by Eli Manning. Be happy about that and rejoice. We have the best D in the NFL.

by AKinferno on Nov 14, 2011 7:23 AM PST reply actions  

Stop it...

…just stop. It was an awesome, clutch performance, but not remotely a “shoot out.”

by Bigmouth on Nov 14, 2011 8:07 AM PST reply actions  

Thank you...

I have been saying that all last week. the reason that teams get into “shootouts” is because the teams DON’T have any Defense. as far as SF and the NYG, that was as close as of a “shootout” that they will get into

by 29spYder on Nov 14, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I question why

Sanders and Irvin are on the NFL Network. Other than being blowhards and apologists.

by musamonster on Nov 14, 2011 8:59 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Irvin is actually pretty entertaining

Deion is fun. Together they drive me crazy. NFLN should never have those two in the same room. Let them hang out on their own time. Deion is fun with Rich and Mooch and I enjoy their recaps just the three of them. Irvin should either be with someone that is even tempered that will just let him yell and shout, or they can put him and Jamie Dukes in a broom closet and you can hear them bicker. In my opinion all of the athletes on NFLN kind of suck. Eisen is the best and he didn’t play. Of the athletes I like Woodson.

by mcwagner on Nov 14, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

All four quarters weren't a shootout, however

the second half was (imo) and AS “got it done”! It is a good feeling this year…not once have I felt the need to “throw my remote” at Alex!

by Ryan Cuthbert on Nov 14, 2011 9:14 AM PST reply actions  

No, it wasn’t a shootout. This is what is called a normal football game. In normal games, the QBs throw the ball. Just because Alex threw for twice as many yards as he normally does doesn’t mean it’s a shootout

"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais

by MichaelClutchtree on Nov 14, 2011 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

Move the chains, then move cities

I hope Alex takes the 49ers a long way in the playoffs and then uses that success to sign a fat contract elsewhere. It would be sweet justice for all of the crap he has had to put up with from SF fans and media. Then SF would be stuck with Kapernick or drafting from a QB from way down in the first round.

by takethemoneyandrun on Nov 15, 2011 1:28 PM PST reply actions  

Nah this isn't a shootout

A shootout is QBs throwing the ball 40 or 50 times. Do I think the 49ers can win such a game with Alex Smith at QB? I do.

This wasn’t a shootout by any stretch of the imagination.

by smileyman on Nov 15, 2011 3:55 PM PST reply actions  

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