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Alex Smith and Kevin Kolb – Young QBs

Who wouldn’t want a young QB (27 yrs.) that is on the rise? Well, Kevin Kolb is 27 and he was on the rise (in 2009 and 2010 sort of). The popular Niner fan preseason game plan was trade for Kevin Kolb some how, some way and the Niners would be a lock to win the division. Simple. Well Smith re-signed with the Niners and Arizona signed Kolb. I could hear the groans from Maine.

Here is a quick QB comparison. Below are season stats for two NFL quarterbacks:

QB1 QB2
Rating 97.2 95.8
TD 14 15
Int 6 4
Att 316 315
Comp 214 201
Pct 67.7 64.0
Yds 2410 2279
Yds/G 201 190
Sacks 34 28
Win% 75% 89%


Pretty similar, right? I thought so.

Yet Kevin Kolb is not one of the QBs above. QB1 is former 49er legend Steve Young’s 1996 season when he went to the Pro Bowl and led the league in passer rating. The 49ers went 12-4 in the 1996 regular season (Young was 9-3 with 4 missed games due to injury). They went deep in the playoffs losing to Green Bay in the NFC championship game. That year there was no other QB in the NFL you would rather have. No one called Steve Young a "game manager" in 1996.

QB2 is Alex Smith in 2011 with his numbers grossed up to reflect 9 games played vs. Young’s 12 games in 1996. (Last week when I first looked at these stats, Smith’s season rating was nearly identical to Young’s at 97.3 a tenth of a point better than Young). Coincidently, this year the Niners seem on track to meet Green Bay in the playoffs just like 1996 – hopefully with a different outcome.

It might not have seemed like it, but like Kolb, Alex Smith (also 27) has been on the rise. His QB rating has risen every year he played, except for the year cut short by injury.
2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
Rating 40.8 74.8 57.2 N/A 81.5 82.1 95.8
Notes 7 starts 7 starts,injured Injured Thru 9 games

Based on this, before the 2010 season I thought Alex would move up to be a top 10 QB in 2010, with a rating in the low 90s. I was a bit early. Instead in 2010 we saw a season where Singletary and his talented team imploded and the offensive brain trust didn’t seem to know an X from an O and the defense was on the field forever. Sadly, the Niners apparent strategy of a weekly change at QB and attempting to soften up the opposition by executing a series of excellent punts, failed. This year Alex is back and back on track.

Also worth noting Steve Young was 30 years old before he started regularly for the 49ers. That’s right 30. Alex Smith won’t be 30 for another 3 years.

It is instructive to look at where Steve Young was when he was Alex’s age. Here is a comparison of stats for Steve Young, Alex Smith and Kevin Kolb in professional football to age 27:

Young Smith Kolb
Rating 72.0 75.3 75.1
Att 1,231 1,750 546
Comp 674 1,015 323
Pct 54.8% 58.0% 59.2%
Yds 8,569 11,108 3,788
TD 40 62 19
Int 46 56 22
Win% as Starter 33% 46% 29%

Young’s passing numbers above include his 2 years with the LA Express, if you just include the NFL numbers, the attempts, completions, and yards are about cut in half and the rating is a little worse (71.3). Also Young’s win% includes all LA Express games, no stats available on games started – if you just include the NFL the win% is 28%, very similar to Kolb. One could argue Smith is way ahead of Young at this point. I won’t make that argument, but based on the stats above it is not hard to do. Also notable is how little experience Kolb has by comparison to both Young and Smith.

To all those who lack confidence in Alex, but revere Montana, Young, and even Garcia, maybe it is a bit early too early to write off Alex Smith.

The main point is there is more than one path to becoming a top QB. Some come into the league and perform at a high level quickly (like Tony Romo and Aaron Rogers). Others develop over time.

The other guy Alex reminds me of a little bit is Vinnie Testaverde. He was a high profile college player, a No 1 pick, with great physical skills and a strong arm. However, he was considered a total washout early on in Tampa and played on some truly bad teams. Yet he continued to improve and improve. He ended up with a 21 year NFL career. That is impressive for a ‘washout’ when 6 years is the average career for NFL players that make the opening day roster (its 3.5 years if you count all players). Testaverde put together some impressive years in his mid 30s (e.g. a 101 rating with the Jets in 1998) including a couple of pro bowls (1996 and 1998). Accordingly, I expect Alex to be around for a long long time.

With this perspective, I will be more shocked if Alex Smith doesn’t end up making it to a Pro Bowl than if he does. As for Kevin Kolb, he is young and on the rise he could end up being very good too. Better than Smith? Wait till they are both 30 to find out. Right now Alex is in the lead.

With young QBs, like with Steve Young, patience can pay off.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.

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Great post!

Thanks for all the info. I’m like you; I think Smith is just getting started. At this moment he’s arguably the most mentally prepared and tested player in the entire league. Looking forward very much to the future!

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by liberty_JAC on Nov 19, 2011 11:54 AM PST reply actions  

Just a modest Alex Smith Fan so far

I like Smith, but he has much more to improve. His accuracy and consistency can still reach another level. Not sure he will, but he could. I also think he has finally figured out how to not get himself killed out there, which he didn’t understand at all early on. My main point is he has gotten a very bad rap. His numbers are actually pretty good and right now he is a very good QB. He was also far and away the best FA QB on the market which is very clear now in hindsight. He is better than Trent Dilfer and Rex Grossman who both won Superbowls. He has yet to become an offensive player feared. He still might

by NinerFanInMaine on Nov 19, 2011 12:18 PM PST reply actions  

I dislike Player X Stats vs Player Y Stats comparisons

they mean pretty little.

Play style wise, Alex reminds me of Brad Johnson and Trent Green.

The big thing with Alex is that, aside from that train-wreck rookie season, he was never that bad. He gets lumped in with absolute busts because people didn’t really understand how screwed up the 49ers were. He has never really shown the physical ability to take over games though and Steve Young showed that in the USFL.

Alex can still improve, but to compare him to Steve Young is unfair to both of them. Steve Young was a play maker. Alex is a move the chains guy who puts very little pressure on the defense beyond 10 yards.

by whistlingmountain on Nov 19, 2011 12:20 PM PST reply actions  

Well

at least Alex slides when he runs. Crazy Steve used to dive head first!

"One game at a time. Let's just keep it rolling." Justin Smith

by riderless on Nov 19, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

The numbers add perspective

I don’t disagree as to play style. Young was much more a running threat. However the passing numbers are freaking identical. . . and FYI: Brad Johnson and Trent Green both had zero starts at age 27. Zero. and Green and Johnson both went to 2 Pro Bowls. Not bad

by NinerFanInMaine on Nov 19, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Two different eras but still...

The playcalling may be a bit different today, and the rules are also a bit different from Young’s time but football is football. And a good QB is a good QB. Alex is turning into a very good QB.
I get sick of the knuckleheads who say you need a QB with a rocket launcher for an arm and pinpoint accuracy to win in “today’s NFL”. It’s BS! A balanced offense will go further than a one dimensional offense. Especially when you have a good D and ST too.
Bring on the nasty wet, snowy and windy weather of winter and let’s see how far those pass first teams go.

Political correctness is for the weak and spineless. GROW A PAIR!!!

by Fishmonger on Nov 19, 2011 2:02 PM PST reply actions  

Agree and agree w/your points...

Just reminding that — while not a rocket launcher — Alex Smith has a plus arm. It’s not mediocre. It’s good. It’s a “B”. Same w/accuracy. He’s not pinpoint, but he’s not Derek Anderson either.

You absolutely DON’T need to be a physical freak to be a great QB. But being a “manager”, or whatever the heck else Alex Smith gets labeled, that doesn’t mean you DON’T have really good physical tools.

Again, Smith wasn’t drafted number 1 overall on accident.

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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Nov 19, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Woah calm down

Kolb on the rise? No, he just isn’t very good.I, personally, never wanted to trade for him…

by Virginia9er on Nov 20, 2011 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

Did you listen to any sportstalk prior to the season

Constant Kolb talk. Many many vocal fans wnted Kolb. I never said the Niners FO wanted him, but I bet they inquired. Kolb could still be on the quite good. Can’t say yet. Also I think when a perrenial playoff team (like the Eagles) dumps their 10 yr leader for you,
 you are on the rise.

by NinerFanInMaine on Nov 21, 2011 12:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes it was constant, hype by the media…as usual.

I don’t have any hard data, but the majority of those on this site were against Kolb during all this hype, Alex was better than he was last year and that has been further solidified this season. I generally hold the opinions on this site higher than that of ‘the fan base at large.’ Fans are generally dumb, it even goes for people participating here, but there is a lot more actual discourse here and more realistic thinking IMO.

Regardless of what Kolb may develop into, the asking price was going to be far too high to take a shot, I’m glad the FO saw that…or rather Harbaugh realized that Alex was already better than him.

by Virginia9er on Nov 21, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

1996 Young vs. 2011 Smith

Similar? Let’s take a look.

Steve Young:
AY/A+: 124
Comp%: 139
TD%: 106
INT%: 120
RTG: 128

Alex Smith:
AY/A+: 111
Comp%: 107
TD%: 105
INT%: 122
RTG: 112

There’s some similarity there, but not enough. The completion standards league-wide are so much higher than they were in 1996 that, in context, Young in that one season (arguably one of his worst) still demolishes Smith in this one (definitively and by far his best).

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 10:08 AM PST reply actions  

Wow, those are all + stats. I think the auto-format killed most of my plus signs.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

+ stats being adjusted to reflect the league at that year – 100 being roughly average, 105 being roughly 5% above average, etc.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Wrong use of plus stats

When you take a year where one guy leads the league (Young 1996) and another where the doesn’t (Smith now),its a foregone conclusion who looks better using plus stats.

by NinerFanInMaine on Nov 21, 2011 12:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

No, it’s exactly the correct use of plus stats. The ENTIRE POINT of using them is to judge league context, because the NFL is not the same as it was 15 years ago. Raw stats are almost useless when comparing across eras. The only way to do it is to look at the players in the context of the league they played in. That’s what plus stats do.

Looking at Steve Young’s 1996 and calling it similar to Alex Smith’s 2011 based on raw stats alone is dishonest at best.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think you understand the word demolish

Btw Young’s seasons in Tampa were . . . Uh arguably his worst.

by NinerFanInMaine on Nov 21, 2011 12:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I felt like it was pretty clear I wasn’t considering Young’s pre-49ers career. But, okay.

I wasn’t considering Young’s pre-49ers career. What’s the point? The thread was trying to draw a connection between Alex Smith and a Hall of Fame player sitting square in the middle of his peak success, so I was using the years of that success as the context du jour. Of the years Steve Young was great, 1996 is one of the clear low points.

And I think being arguably 30% better than league average demolishes being arguably 10% better than league average. That’s the same as the difference between Tom Brady and Jason Campbell this year.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Missed the point again

The point of this piece was threefold:
1. Smith is putting forth a quality year comparable with past 49er greats ( not equal to but comparable).
2. This perfomance shouldn’t be a big surprise. He’s improved every year (and now has a better coach and O line).
3. He still growing and has more experience and better numbers than Young at the same age(27). This surprised me but it is true.

I just went looking for a 49er qb that had had a similar season. To my surprise it turned out to be Young in 1996, when he lead the league. Again a surprise to me. I don’t think the fact Smith is not leading the league diminishes the quality of the season one bit - esp. factoring in win%. A relevant use of plus stats in the context of this piece would be Young’s plus stats at age 27- +rating=97

by NinerFanInMaine on Nov 22, 2011 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

offtopic

Are you in Portland by chance? Just moved here and have only seen a couple Niners fans at the bars.

by mrg80 on Nov 21, 2011 1:09 PM PST reply actions  

Yes. In Cape E

Also a recent transplant.

by NinerFanInMaine on Nov 22, 2011 9:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

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