Do Great Teams Rest their Important Players When the Playoffs are Wrapped Up?
I'd like to officially propose we rest Gore and Smith more. Neither are used to playing more than 16 games in a season. Why take a risk of injury or fatiguing their bodies when we have a very good chance of beating the teams in our division teams without them?
Arguing in favor of this idea, the Green Bay Packers are going to start using nose tackle B.J. Raji less..
He’s rarely come off the field this season. But today Mike McCarthy acknowledged the team needs to be more careful using him, saving him for the playoff run in January.
"B.J.'s played too much to this point," McCarthy said. "We've got to watch his numbers."
Watch his numbers? What a concept. Like a major league pitcher -- how many pitches has he thrown this game, this season? Saving him for the playoffs. . .this was not always the way a manager or a team thought about pitcher's arms. But now it's standard procedure.
Why not watch Gore's carries? He's been injury prone and is getting on the older side for a RB. We have a young stud in the wings and Dixon is serviceable at the very least. Maybe just needing more touches to break through.
Same thing with Kaepernick and Smith. Alex would do well to rest his arm for a few series, or even a game or two in the coming weeks.
I think these are the two key players on offense to rest. Maybe on D we should rest Justin Smith for a game or at least a half if we're blowing somebody out. All I'm saying is, a coach who has been to the playoffs maybe sets his sites further out, makes sure everyone is getting stronger and healthier going into the playoffs. . . .
We might do well to start to think the same way.
And before someone criticizes this post for being too "arrogant" let me tell you I am not speaking just about the Niners, nor am I speaking about the Niners every year. But when teams find themselves in the unique situation that the Packers and Niners do, where the playoffs are pretty much a given, we should consider playing to our situation instead of just playing things out in the standard way.
One contrary view to this idea might be that home field advantage is very important. And that even though we're 2 games up on the Giants and win a tie breaker, the Cowboys are starting to come alive, and the Packers if they lose a few games and we win all the rest of ours would lose home field advantage . . to us!
While that would be great, I just don't think some of the moves Harbaugh could make to rest key players necessarily loses us games. I think the players could rally around the second strong players, -- like Kendall Hunter and Kaepernick.
Another critique is that the playbook is still unfolding and we need to work things out in games. While I agree with the first part of the sentence, I don't agree with the second part. I don't think you necessarily have to put these plays in games and on film. I think your starters may need time to learn these new plays, but that might happen more if Alex Smith, for instance, is taken aside one week while Kaepernick takes all the first team snaps, and works new plays through and gets his timing down better with his WRs on those new plays, without it being prep for that upcoming game. They could be working on "playoff plays," and getting their timing perfected, and none of those plays would ever even get on film. Now that sounds like a Bill Walsh idea. He was always finding some trick play to use against the toughest opponents to catch them off guard.
Okay, let's have it. I know this discussion has been brought up sporadically in a few previous posts, but with McCarthy making a statement like this today, I think it deserves some detailed opinions. Does anyone think it starts to make sense to rest some of our key players at least for parts of some games? Or not?
And how about trying to support your thinking with facts and logical arguments instead of just criticizing someone's idea out-of-hand? I, for one, am willing to change my mind if the arguments against it are more sensible than mine are for it.
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I disagree with parts
First off, I’ve never really heard of a team resting its starting quarterback before Week 16, let alone Week 11. I don’t know if it was your thought to start resting a lot of these players now, but we need to do everything we can to win games. If we’re up 35 – 0 in the third then, sure, throw Kaep or Tolzien in there; but otherwise Smith needs to play. And that time on the field WILL help him build chemistry and confidence with his receivers more than just practicing would.
This team honestly needs all the game-time experience it can get heading into its first post-season.
As for Gore, I agree that giving him a game off here or there is a fantastic idea because I feel more than confident in Hunter’s ability to carry the load; with Dixon getting his share of touches behind him. But you can’t just give your starting quarterback a game off until its Week 16 or 17 and there’s absolutely nothing left to play for (which likely won’t be the case for us, because we’ll still be in the hunt for the #1 seed).
And I would actually like to propose something else. We do our best to rest starters in late game situations, sure; but we do everything we can to win every game. This way we force Green Bay to start Raji; we force them to keep their starters in the game all season long, all the way into Week 17. They won’t be able to pull Rodgers out even once. What if they lose to the Giants, or Bears, or Lions?
We keep our foot on the pedal and let the Packers know: one slip up, and that #1 seed goes to us.
On the whole I agree with the sentiment of your post. Resting a couple players here or there in the right situation is a good idea. But, for the most part, I really think we just need to keep our foot on the gas and keep hammering away. There’s a lot to be said for resting starters, but there’s also a lot to be said for momentum. We want these guys playing every game hard and for 60 minutes, not getting the idea that they can take a game off because January is more important than this Sunday.
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Once the 2nd seed (or first) is locked up, rest the starters. It gives us a chance at seeing what Kaep can do and Hunter and Dixon are good enough to be a threat in the running game. Once the Niners clinch the division, I really think it would be best to limit Gore in his carries.
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by Haggardninja on Nov 21, 2011 11:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Depends on your definition
Sitting Gore vs giving him 15 carries
Sitting Smith vs mixing in some plays/series for Kaep
Players with nagging injuries should rest in almost all cases to come back 100% (i.e McDonald type injury if it was later in season, even now he should rest until 100% and play the last 3-4 games).
I like giving Gore a ( few ) less plays , but when this Offense is still evolving it's unlikey they rest anyone else on the ( O ) side of the ball ...!!
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Agree w all above
Except, Eddgy, resting Smith for a series here and there depending on the score of the game makes a lot of sense. We need to see what Kaep can do, especially with Smith being a free agent come year-end.
I hate the idea of sitting players
Unless that player has a nagging injury they need to heal up from. Competitors want to win every single game in front of them.
Resting Gore yes
Smith (A) no. He isn’t injured. His protection is getting better and better. He’s the team leader so he has to play and wants to play.
Smith (J) won’t. Helluva a consecutive game streak going.
MacD yes. His hammy needs as much rest as it can get.
FWIW I’m talking starting. If we’re up 4 TDs I can see giving some backups some PT including Kaep.
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I think there are some different points being made
and I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves. I agree with some of these suggestions.
However, if everything goes as well as everybody is assuming, then the 49ers are going to get rest because they are going to have a bye. If they are far enough ahead to rest people then they are far enough ahead to get the 1st round bye.
I think the 49ers should mix in more Kendall Hunter with Frank anyway.
Alex’s arm shouldn’t be tired. Hasn’t the whole concern this year been that he hasn’t been throwing enough. So I don’t think that rest should be a concern for him at all.
Yes the some guys on the D could use some rest and that is the benefit of getting the bye.
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Disagree on resting Alex. He needs the confidence in his timing with all the new stuff they keep installing more than anybody
But hell yes we should be resting Gore. I can’t believe we gave him close to 25 carries today.
Gimme 1 round!
I think if we win through Pittsburgh (big if) we can't afford to
If however we end up becoming the clear cut #2 seed we can afford to give the starters an extra week of rest after Pittsburgh and then have all our starters roll for the last week of the season to stay sharp. So we get 2 weeks of rest in 3 weeks but not 2 in a row.
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This question get's posed nearly EVERY year...
And the only answer is:
Who knows?
Teams have rested players and WON/LOST. Teams have played players and WON/LOST. People point the finger screaming “See?!! See?!!” and second guess when either scenario doesn’t work out for their team, but there is no real answer to this question.
Couple of years ago, in fact, the Colts and Saints BOTH rested players to close the year. Saints LOST 3 straight and WON the Super Bowl, Colts lost their perfect season but at least GOT to the Super Bowl.
How often has a team LOST in the playoffs after resting players then vowed NEVER to do that again? As if resting players was AUTOMATICALLY the reason they were beat… Personally, I would simply play each game normally until the #1 seed (or the highest seed your team can potentially secure) is achieved. And that will typically take teams to week 16 or 17 anyway, so the overall question is moot.
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Nov 21, 2011 8:54 AM PST reply actions
I think it depends on how you win or lose
If you come out sluggish and making mental mistakes then I think you stop resting the starters, win or lose.
If you come out and play a tough game and lose, I don’t think you rest your starters because of the loss. You only commit to not sitting starters when you can see that it was a little rust on the hinges that sunk the ship.
And obviously there are positions where it matters and those that it doesn’t. Your nose tackle will probably benefit greatly from the extra rest and time to heal up, as will your running back. Your QB and offensive line are probably going to suffer though.
Absolutely...
This answer is really based on if the team continues to execute and play at a high level. Sometimes you’ll see dramatic drop-off because guys who are on the field know that if the best players are resting (ie Gore), then it must be a less meaningful game.
I’m more of the group that says No because how many wildcats teams or teams that compete all the way into the playoffs show up in rhythm, ready to knock heads vs. Those that may have rested a little too much.
With this team, it’s a matter of Gore needs rest, there is never a question about his toughness or ability to show up. Maybe Willis, Justin Smith and some others from the D but really, these guys have never been to the playoffs and should not let up until they hold up that Lombardi trophy. They’re young, they can rest in March
Generally the smart answer is no
You just have to take it on a player by player basis. If the individual player needs rest like Gore does then you give the backup more reps. But you don’t sit him out entire games because you need that game action to stay sharp.
Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).
It's pretty common for teams to have their starters play only a half - or maybe even less - in the last week of the regular season if their playoff position is set.
But our playoff position won’t be set for a while yet. If Green Bay loses, we might be playing in the final week of the season with a shot at home field advantage throughout the playoffs. If they don’t, then we’re currently two games ahead of New Orleans for the second seed (which is a huge advantage: a bye week and HFA in the divisional round). If we were to drop one more game this season then we could conceivably enter the final game having to to earn the bye week.
Of course, we might not. It’s possible we could have the #2 seed locked up by that final week. In which case I’d like to see Smith and Gore play for at least a couple of series to stay sharp, and then bring in the backups.
Funny how we've gone from ...
What if Alex Smith gets crushed in the pocket trying to throw the ball? No matter, it’s just Alex.
to
Should we rest Alex Smith for the playoffs? Wait. Read that one slowly back to your self.
Should we rest Alex Smith for the PLAYOFFS?
Insanity.
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