KYLE.FREAKING.WILLIAMS!
by Riding The F Train on Nov 20, 2011 11:37 PM PST
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I'll admit up front, I've been a huge Kyle Williams fan since the day he was drafted. In the spirit of objectivity though, I was also really high on Michael Spurlock when he was on our team. :) Anyway, if you watch Kyle Williams, he is easily the most natural wide receiver on our team. Crabtree's got some mad skills, but Kyle is just a very unique player. If you listened to the reports from Camp Alex, one consistent theme was how Kyle Williams looked the smoothest and most natural out there, and how he had the softest hands. I can attest to this from the open practice I went to. Throws to guys like Braylon Edwards made loud smacking sounds when the ball hit the receiver's gloves. However, when throws went to Kyle you couldn't hear it most of the time. It was a smooth, clean, natural catching motion like he does it in his sleep. He was also fielding punts much, much cleaner than Ted Ginn. At one point in training camp, a beat writer mentioned that Kyle and Ted were practicing catching punts with one hand. Ted dropped a bunch, but Kyle caught every one.
So what is all this to say? Simply that I'm suggesting the kid needs more playing time. He is the fastest receiver on our team (ran a faster 40 time than Ginn), is wickedly quick and smooth out of his breaks, gets up to speed in no time flat, seems to be a great route runner, he is the best guy on our team catching the ball (Crabtree has too many bounce off his hands and whatnot), he has the natural smarts for the position (getting feet in bounds and such), and if you throw the ball in his direction he has proven he will come down with it. Both of his touchdowns this year were difficult plays, but he not only snagged the ball, but he had the awareness to drag his feet on the first one, and on the second he stretched out the ball enough to break the plane of the end zone for the touchdown. This guy is explosive and extremely reliable. He deserves more looks, especially with Edwards having trouble catching the ball.
Some of you might comment on his size, saying he is too small to be durable, and too small to block. Whoever says that was clearly not watching the pre-season. Besides being the best pre-season receiver on our team, he was consistently out on the edge or downfield wrecking guys in the run game. There were a couple of highlight worthy plays where he was getting down and dirty out there right to the last minute.
My final reasoning for giving him more looks is the way he has been utilized within this offense. I commented last week mentioning that there was one running set that had Williams isolated way out on the edge. It looked to me like something we could use the flea flicker on. This week we actually did pass out of that set a couple of times. This formation is very interesting, because it looks like a clear run, and the safeties have tended to drop down into the box when they see it. Several times today I was screaming at the tv: "Williams is one on one on the edge!! There is no safety helping out over the top!! THROW KYLE THE DANG BALL!" Greg Roman has found some very intriguing ways to get him favorable matchups, but Alex just hasn't been looking for him. This NEEDS to change! Braylon seems to drop it more than anything, and with Crabtree chances are the ball will be overthrown or it will bounce off his hands. So far, Kyle Williams has none of these problems. Alex needs to start recognizing the situation and looking for him in those one on one matchups.
Three closing thoughts that are completely unrelated:
First, Alex needs to stop getting sloppy with his passes. He overthrew both Crabtree and Edwards in the redzone today. That MUST be fixed if we're going to hang with Green Bay. (Knock on wood).
Second, ALDON SMITH HAS FOUND HIS SACK DANCE!! I don't know about you guys, but I loved it! I don't know if it was based on something, but it looked like some sort of T-Rex dance. That made it really cool given his long arms. It looked like a very unique, "I'm Aldon Freaking Smith, what's your deal sucker!?!" kind of a dance. I want to find a video so I can rewatch and know whether I'm overreacting, but I could see that dance becoming as legendary as the funky chicken. EDIT: Video HERE, the sack dance is at about 1:08. Enjoy!
Third, Carlos Rogers almost had at least one more pick today. It's a shame one went right through his hands and resulted in a touchdown, but I'm loving how many chances he's getting.
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as a wr; kyle williams >>>>>ted ginn jr.
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What about
Kyle Williams Vs Braylon Edwards? It seems that Williams is outplaying Edwards currently…
Not a troll
by Riding The F Train on Nov 21, 2011 1:33 AM PST up reply actions
seems Crab has ouplayed them both
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True
Frankly I’d like to see Crabs and Williams as 1 and 2 respectively. That would give them some real matchup problems when you combine their speed and shiftiness with Davis and Walker.
Not a troll
by Riding The F Train on Nov 21, 2011 2:04 AM PST up reply actions
i agree
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Edwards
He really is a bum. Drops yesterday, last week lined up in the neutral zone, two weeks ago caught a pass while standing out of bounds…I didn’t think he’d give us that true #1 threat some people thought, but I thought he’d be better than this.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 21, 2011 3:49 AM PST up reply actions
yesterday, yes
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 21, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Caption This.................Gang Rape!
by ericalancanty on Nov 21, 2011 1:05 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I really like this post. REC
But I disagree about Crabtree. Crabtree has really come into his own recently. He’s consistently picking up first downs for us, and he’s as reliable a receiver as we have (along with Delanie, and now Williams!).
Crabtree had a great game today, but he’s been performing very well the past couple weeks. And the guy DOES block and is a total team player. It’s a shame his early years with us garnered him the diva label, because right now the guy is all about the team – and it shows in his play.
So I agree with your post totally. Williams needs to get more playing time because the kid is young and fast and yes, he catches whatever is thrown his way. But I disagree with you getting on Crabtree. I think he’s been playing very well recently. Him and Alex finally seem to have a good rapport.
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Oh!
And they seemed to correct Alex always throwing high on those inside routes. Crabtree’s YAC has been going up because him and Alex are really connecting now.
Yes, he overthrew the one today. But that wasn’t the same as earlier in the season, when Alex was overthrowing Crabtree on all his middle routes – to the point where Crabtree couldn’t get any yards after the catch.
But right now Crabtree and Alex are on the same page. Crabtree is our most reliable receiver right now when it comes to moving the chains.
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+1
Not to mention he’s a champion route runner. He’s made some really good corners look really bad not entirely unlike another somewhat well known former-49er flanker. He’s got elite level talent if he can put it together.
Agree that Kyle is one of our best receivers, but I’d peg him at #2, at least until more evidence is available.
Great post!
I’ve been raving about Kyle for a long time. I really think he is special.
Obviously I won’t repeat all his traits because you were pretty spot on.
All I can say is it’s time for Kyle to get a promotion and Ginn to get a demotion! Rec’d!
Loved what I saw yesterday
Kyle leapfrogged Ginn and proved he earned the spot against the Cards. I don’t know that he’ll start over Braylon, unless he keeps dropping balls. I’m happy with Crabs, Morgan and Williams next year. Braylon and Ginn can walk if they want.
+1
I get really excited thinking about the receivers next year: Morgan, Crabs, and KW.
That is a solid set of weapons for Alex. Throw in VD and DW with Gore and KH coming out of the backfield and an ever improving offensive line. Plus…. a full training camp with Alex and all of his targets working together and Jim Harbaugh implementing his entire playbook. Wow. Just wow!
Plus they will be defending Super Bowl Champs! (Well, I can hope can’t I)
Joe, Jerry, Steve, and....Who is next?
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Rathman...
yeah, Rathman! If Miller can’t play, suit Coach Rathman up and have him show the younger guys how to run (site decorum)s over.
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Ginn might not be the best WR
But they should try to keep him for the return game. He plays a huge role on special teams. He might not be the best WR but if they can keep him around for a resonable price, they should keep Ginn just for what he brings on special teams.
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So much this ...!!
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Ginn is huge in other ways
We have the number one special teams for a reason and I’ll take great field possession over a spectacular catch here and there. I agree Williams is playing better at wide out but let’s not be so fast to dismiss what Ginn has brought to the table.
So everyone's on the Kyle Williams bandwagon now?
I’ve known he could do this since we drafted him and wanted him to get more pt, and look what he did with he did.
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lol I remember when we were all on the Nate Davis bandwagon. After that I decided not to jump on them.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
Nate Davis wasn't good
Kyle Williams is
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
You forgot the original
KORY SHEETS WAS OUR FUTURE!
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Absolutely
Perfect slot receiver and played great outside the numbers yesterday. He absolutely should get more playing time and I’m sure he will in weeks to come. Only question is who is coming off the field? Right now, it’s most likely Walker, which I’m fine with.
We'll need Delanie
this Thursday. I’d sit Edwards if he’s still healing.
"One game at a time. Let's just keep it rolling." Justin Smith
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Delanie is the glue that puts it all together. Use him as a wideout if necessary. Sit Edwards. Put Williams in the slot.
Kyle Williams
definitively deserves more playing time, I would be more comfortable with him as number 3 than Ginn. Also that play were you said Alex overthrew Edwards in the Endzone I think that was the perfect pass in that situation, high so only your receiver can get it. Edwards had it in his hands and let it slip through.
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Edwards Should Have Had That
Maybe a touch high, but it hit both palms so that should be a catch. Height should be an advantage but if you’re not going to catch it…well, there is no advantage. I definitely see Williams over Ginn at receiver (very happy with Ginn in returns when he doesn’t run out of bounds). At this point I’d rather see more Williams than Edwards. I think Edwards is still hurt. He definitely got hurt in some way on that first pass to him. In the huddle he was showing some pain…looked like shoulder or ribs to me based on how he was trying to collect himself.
Yeah
If Edwards was a 100% no question he makes that grab. Right now he is hurting himself and the team.
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I dont know
Although Braylon probably should have caught it, it seemed like he the ball came a little sooner than he expected it so he got his hands up a tad late
True
It was not the easiest catch to make. But great receivers make those plays. I can’t tell ou how many times I’ve watched other receivers make catches like that against the 49ers. It hit him in the hands so he needs to make the clutch play and pull it down.
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Nope. Should have been low and away.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Nov 21, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Low and away is a harder catch than the high ball
The ball was maybe 6" higher than it should have been. Other than that it was right on target.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 21, 2011 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
If it’s low the DB has a chance to make a play on the ball and possibly intercept it.
I believe in excellence. I believe in Alex Smith.
Average sized DB = 5’11"
Braylon Edwards 6’3"
…point of the throw, is to throw it high and away from the DB.
It’s a shame that some people still don’t realize this.
That is why they call it a “fade” route… because it fades away from the defensive backs covering.
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…and then there is the back shoulder throw which is all together different but similar in concept.
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The poll question was whether Kyle Williams should get more playing time...
By what he did on the field yesterday, he certainly EARNED more playing time….
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
Everyone here knows I have been touting Kyle Williams for a long while now.
Was awesome to see him in more snaps this past weekend. I think he earned a few more in place of some of the other guys who have been less sure-handed this year.
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Whoever said Williams is faster than Ginn is crazy
but i do feel Williams could be a Wes Welker type receiver but with more explosiveness and speed. Crazy how this guy could have play baseball also.
There are very few people who are faster than Ginn in straight line speed.
However, I’d be willing to bet that Williams is faster in a cone drill or shuttle. He’s definitely got that shifty change of direction speed that Ginn doesn’t have.
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by afrikabamboodle on Nov 21, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Williams ran a 4.30 40 at his pro day.
Ginn’s fastest recorded time was 4.31
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not so crazy after all lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 21, 2011 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
U crazy!
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Ginn has long speed.
He would destroy Kyle over the next 20 meters. At Ohio during drills he supposedly ran a 4.28 and has claimed that’s hes run as low as a 4.22 when he recruited to OSU for their track team.
Kyle is extremely fast but lets just suffice it to say he and Ginn are very close over 40 meters. After that though there’s not much comparison in terms of top speed.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 21, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
ginn was injured when he ran that at the combine
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
His combine time was 4.38.
He ran that when he had the foot injury.
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Exactly im not saying Kyle Williams is slow
but when Ginn reaches top speed he will prolly just stride past kyle. Ginn seems to glide since his strides are so long
by blue42red30 on Nov 24, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Disagree with over throwing Edwards.
He overthrew both Crabtree and Edwards in the redzone today. That MUST be fixed if we’re going to hang with Green Bay. (Knock on wood).
Edwards is a physical 6’3’’ 214 lbs WR. Alex put the ball up high where ONLY Edwards could get it and it went THROUGH his hands. Why would you throw low to him if he’s bigger than the DB and can jump higher? Makes no sense why people keep saying he over threw Edwards. It went THROUGH his hands and it was put in a spot where ONLY Edwards can get it. Perfect throw. Edwards couldn’t hold onto the ball that went right between his two hands. He definitely over threw Crabs though. No doubt about that.
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by afrikabamboodle on Nov 21, 2011 3:02 PM PST reply actions
Don't know if you've ever been a WR, but
A ball about 12 inches directly above the helmet is a really difficult catch. When the ball is dry.
Shoulder pads limit the arms and you can’t see the ball go into your hands. For such a short pass with a wide open lane, it WAS a bad pass. Should Edwards have caught it? sure, he’s a pro, catch the damn ball! But it was a bad pass, if he had put it 2 feet lower or 1 foot lower and a foot to either side, it’s an easy catch.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 21, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Wasn't a bad pass...
You see all the elite QB’s throwing those fades in the EXACT same spot. He shoulda came up with that and I bet he would tell you the same thing.
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doesn't matter. Braylon is not 100% and the Coach verified that but he said he's getting very close
So I fully expect Braylon to get back up to speed real soon and what better places to do it than against our Division foes.
What doesn't matter? And who is "the coach"?
And whoever that coach is hasn’t said anything like that lately.
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Rather, I hadn't seen anything before this.
And whoever that coach is hasn’t said anything like that lately.
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Harbaugh said it in his postgame
You mentioned you were able to get Braylon Edwards some rest today. Is he right physically?
“I don’t think he’s 100%, but there was improvement this week. Toward the end of the week he was starting to feel pretty darn good. That decision toward the end of the third quarter, was ‘let’s keep that progress coming.’”
Ya that's why I said I hadn't seen anything before posting that.
I guess I missed that part of his postgame.
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when did he injure his hands?
don’t care if he’s not 100%, his knee injury isn’t an excuse for the football going through his hands.
What does injuring your hands have to do with your ability to catch?
Hmmm, I don’t know. Maybe everything!
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by mikeinsp on Nov 22, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nevermind, I read what you said wrong...
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im comfused.
what does having a hurt hand have to do with his ability to catch?
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edwards hands are healthy
his knee is injured – that’s the point
i was saying that his first target of the card's game
it looks like he feel and hurt his hand
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It seems o me it's more his shoulder bpthering him than his knee.
He hurt it when he punked D Hall
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It seem to me it's more his shoulder bothering him than his knee.
He hurt it when he punked D Hall
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Doesn't look like he can lift it all the way up.
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what is a bad pass?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 21, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
it can have 4 meanings
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pass&defid=457820
I think in this case Braylon was granted a reprieve from being whacked by the mafia but one of the captains hasn’t honored that pass and is still trying to kill him. ie bad pass.
by reedkrase on Nov 22, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you missed page two
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
page two
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pass&page=2
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
number ten is the best one.
10. Pass
Pronounced: “Pass” (noun)
Specifically female related term referring to the area residing behind the site decorum area and the site decorum. No entries found in medical terminology, but probably related to the slang term “site decorum” or related to the male version “Bass”, both words thought to originate from “The Man Show”.
“It’s not my site decorum, and it’s not my site decorum… It’s my PASS”
A compound word, the female pass can be constructed as follows:
(P) + (A) = Pass.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
so then a bad pass would be
a “pass” smeared with site decorum or QB fade?
whatever you want it to be
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
a wide open lane?
So we’re ignoring the corner who was on him then?
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
are you thinking like a fan or a player?
true fans judge skill by slow motion replay
players focus on all that logic and realm of possibility nonsense
It should have been one of the easiest throws of the day
Bottom line, it was not a good pass. Fitz might have caught it, but Alex needs to make a better throw. There was nobody in front of Braylon, put it in his numbers. Or heck, put a little air under it to the outside.
pretty much, I don't know why people are taking it so personally like it's an outrageous claim
it was a bad pass, should have been caught anyway, but there’s a lot to be said about QBs who make passes easy to catch and difficult to catch. Particularly when you have guys like Edwards, like Davis, like Gore, who do not have the greatest ability to catch awkward balls. Reminded me of that 4th down throw in the Seattle opener last year.
Even Alex knows he missed the passes. Chalk it up to a wet ball and move on, hit them next time.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 21, 2011 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
Think what you want... ball was placed perfectly.
It is a pretty absurd thing to claim that it was a bad pass… went threw Edwards’ hands like a basketball swish. As I said before, even the best of the best, throw the ball there.
If I need to bring back 10 youtube clips of ELITE quarterbacks making the same exact throw in the same exact spot to prove my point, this is one I will take the extra effort for because you could not be more wrong.
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Dwight Clark would have made that catch
Great receivers make great plays.
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Yup...
The pass thrown was money though. Only one spot where the defender could not get to it and the receiver should have had it.
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He dropped 3 or 4 passes against the Cards on Sunday, so I don’t see how that is relevant to current events.
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point you didn't need a dwight clark or fitzgerald to catch that pass
braylon edwards is more than capable, he just dropped it.
What the...?
He’s talking about the pass not the quarterback. It is inconceivable that “10 youtube clips of ELITE quarterbacks making the same exact throw in the same exact spot” would prove your point. You need one Youtube clip, and attendant analysis.
It really is curious how quickly emotions fly whenever something that can be described as remotely critical or even less than unequivocally rah rah about Alex Smith gets uttered. It’s like daring to say ‘the poor ain’t so bad’ in Louis XVI France or smth. People need to chill.
It's all your fault
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you have a very odd definition of perfect
this came up last week too, no?
Perfect = “could not be improved”. Not “catchable by elite receiver”.
Was it catchable? Sure. Could it have been better? Sure. Failures are usually partially both player’s fault. Heck, both parties fault.
[Poorly Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM
If its thrown right in front of him and the corner has made an excellent brake thats the type of ball that comes back 104 yards
When its high like that its undefendable. That’s why it was a good pass. Not perfect – Should have been 6" lower and 4" towards the sideline… But that’s splitting hairs
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 21, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
The premise in Football is ... if you can touch you can catch it . now if you get ( TWO ) hands on it , well enough said ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
if you cah touch ( it ) , you can catch it ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
You sure that is just the premise in football or does that apply to other facets of life?
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I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Uhh... yea... there was someone in front of Braylon on that play... I've watched it four times. Go back and look at it again.
The pass to Crabs was stupid …but the ball to Braylon was EXACTLY where it needed to be…
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C'mon Drew, it was far from a perfect throw
Braylon had to jump to get it.
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Does that mean every single pass to Vernon Davis is horrible?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure where you see me saying anything even remotely similar to that
But I’ll cut you some slack. Maybe you’re trying to make some obscure point?
I really, really think Michael’s been playing great football.
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That exact play happens 100 times throughout an NFL season… probably 97 times out of those 100, WR’s are jumping for the ball on a fade route. It’s called keep away.. Learn about it.
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why do you want the pass lower
Where the corner has a shot at it. Perfect for the situation doesn’t mean that it’s easy for the reciever.
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Look, I don't want to agrue about it
Just not sure why people feel the need to defend tooth and nail Alex Smith’s less than perfect ball placement.
Weird.
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Because you still obviously don't understand the reason WHY that ball is supposed to be thrown high
Its not worth explaining it to you again.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 21, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
C'mon burnz, it wasn't a perfect throw. Even you can admit that.
Watch the play again. Or better yet, watch the TD pass Alex throws to VD. Now that was a much better throw.
And please, stop with the condescending attitude.
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If all passes where perfect , they wouldn't need Recievers , they could just use Lineman instead ...!!
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exactly
Thanks. Alex’s pass to Braylon Edwards wasn’t perfect. That’s what I’ve been saying all along.
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Doesn't have to be , hits you in the hands you catch it , it's that simple , especially in this league ...!!
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Yes, but my argument is that the pass wasn't perfect
Again, please see my comments below:
I totally agree
Smith’s pass was actually pretty good, and Braylon should have made the catch.
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by 10forTech on Nov 22, 2011 1:36 AM CST up reply actions
The pas didn’t have to be perfect, I get it. But calling the pass ‘perfect’
is, again, ludicrous.
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Dunno why your replying to me , I've played for years and am a realist...
,,, Qb’s make bad throws , Wr’s have drops, people fumbled , players jump off sides , plays break down , Db’s get burned etc , etc , that’s why it’s so fun to watch … it’s the intangibles the unknowns on any given paly , any given Sunday …!!
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different pass in a different situation
that required different placement
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, but was a better thrown ball
Don’t you agree?
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both hit the reciever in the hands
one was caught one wasn’t.
I think you’re judging based on the result, not the pass
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Braylon had to jump to make the catch while VD did not
One throw was better placed than the other.
Do you see my point?
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VD was more wide open
the ball had to be higher to avoid the corner with Braylon
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Fooch and I disagree
Again, David Fucillo :
If it was more to the left, it could’ve been lower and away from the defender.
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yeah
I think he allows people to disagree with him. I also never said it was perfect, just that it was good.
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
We're in agreement then
My argument all along has been that the pass wasn’t perfect, as many posters here have alleged.
And I find it weird that some people will argue that point.
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fyi, the original post that sparked this whole thing
A ball about 12 inches directly above the helmet is a really difficult catch. When the ball is dry.
Shoulder pads limit the arms and you can’t see the ball go into your hands. For such a short pass with a wide open lane, it WAS a bad pass. Should Edwards have caught it? sure, he’s a pro, catch the damn ball! But it was a bad pass, if he had put it 2 feet lower or 1 foot lower and a foot to either side, it’s an easy catch.
was about it being a bad pass. I know not by you, but it’s what started the conversation.
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Why would you assume I agree with this?
All you had to do was read my comments.
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because it's what started the conversation
has been brought up multiple times but you never responded anything to them. You repeatedly came after drew but left the other side alone. It came off as pretty biased.
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
You are mistaken
Drew came after me. He and ItBurnzWhenIP claim that the pass was ‘perfect’. I think that assessment is ludicrous.
Edggy, Fooch, Urnext… We all agree that the pass wasn’t perfect.
Not sure what more you want.
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I don't think anyone is saying it was a perfect throw
But it was still put in a place where Edwards could, and in my opinion, should have caught it. Do you think if Dwight Clark dropped the ball in the NFC Championship game against the Cowboys we would be saying Montana threw it a little too high?
In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
Dwight Clark made a hella catch
To deny that is to take away from his incredible effort. But yeah, I’d say that pass wasn’t perfect.
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It WAS perfect... because he threw it to the only place it could be caught and NOT defended.
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…really…. it’s a pretty simple concept.
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LOL
There is NO defender in front of him or to the outside. Saying this is a good pass is hilarious.
Staley screened Alex from seeing the defender in front of Crabtree later on
Alex threw it in the right spot
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 22, 2011 5:24 AM PST up reply actions
I will agree it was pefect in one way
On a throw like that there is a small window that the ball needs to be thrown. It might be a few inches to one side or another, but as long as it’s in that small window only the receiver can make the catch. And quite frankly, and yes I said frankly, if the ball hits the receiver in the hands he needs to catch it. Anyone can play catch on their front lawn and get the ball when it’s thrown at their chest. But Edwards is being paid a lot of money to catch passes like that and he didn’t. The bottom line is Smith put the ball in a spot only Edwards could get it and he let it go through his hands. I just don’t see how anyone can blame Smith for not throwing the ball 2-3 inches lower.
In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
C’mon Drew, it was far from a perfect throw
Braylon had to jump to get it.
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by 10forTech on Nov 21, 2011 9:55 PM PST
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Haha, there you go
Jumping to conclusions. I guess you didn’t read my next post:
Look, I don’t want to agrue about it
Just not sure why people feel the need to defend tooth and nail Alex Smith’s less than perfect ball placement.
Weird.
So tell me Drew, why so invested in Alex Smith? You married to his sister or something?
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Yeah... his sister is hot. And she is my wife.
G’nite Tech… catch ’round when youre not feeling so nit-picky.
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But that's kind of the point
Quarterbacks arent robots. Sometimes a throw will be a few inches higher than perfect or to the side. But it’s still put in a spot where only the receiver can get it. It wasn’t like the pass to Crabtree where he simply overthrew it. It wasn’t even like Smith’s pass went off Edward’s fingertips. It went threw his hands. It was put in a spot where only he could make the catch. It wasn’t the easiest catch to make but it was put in a spot where he could catch it. I see Calvin Johnson making catches like that every week. In fact, I see a lot of receivers making catches like that every week. Edwards needed to step up and make a play and he didn’t.
In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
Very good point
And I agree. Here’s the play:
Edwards should have made the catch, but the throw was too high. Yes, quarterbacks aren’t robots. Alex Smith is human too!
Claiming the pass was perfect is ludicrous. Why are people here trying to defend Alex from any negative observation?
Just weird.
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THE. THROW. IS. SUPPOSED. TO. BE. HIGH. AND. AWAY.
Holy Jesus man… waive the white flag for goddsake…
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Again, ludicrous
Why are you so determined to defend Alex? Your reaction is way over the top.
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Haha… okay man. I’m done. I have done plenty here for my case to prove you wrong.
Why are you SO determined to nit pick his throw to Edwards?
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You need to think seriously about switching to decaf
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by 10forTech on Nov 21, 2011 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
rec"ed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
You see 31? If the pass is right in Braylon's chest he has a chance to break it up.
He has no chance up high.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 22, 2011 5:27 AM PST up reply actions
Some people here I guess are blind and clearly don’t see that… or want to acknowledge it to conceded their points.
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Yeah, I guess FOOCH doesn't know a thing about football
David Fucillo :
If it was more to the left, it could’ve been lower and away from the defender.
Now you’re going to tell us he’s wrong too.
Wait for it…
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why are you so determined to question a well placed ball?
It’s really over the top. See it works both ways.
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
It doesn’t matter… these are the same folks that try and devalue Alex Smith at every opportunity that there is a centimeter of error.
They are frightened, terrified even in some cases, of his success because they grew roots in bashing him for the last seven years and now don’t know how to deal with his success. …So naturally, for them, it is so much easier to criticize a pass that may have been a couple inches away from perfect placement opposed to blaming the right player who let six slide right through his grip.
And some will say both players faults, but as SEVERAL other people here alluded to, a better receiver catches that pass. Braylon was dropping everything on Sunday. Alex made some bad passes but so does every quarterback in the NFL in every game. For the most part, he had a pretty solid outing for throwing it that much in the rain.
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You've done nothing to further the argument or defend your view point.
Clearly at this point, we can all see that you can no longer support your opinion and can resort to nothing but name calling at this point. Just stop.
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by afrikabamboodle on Nov 22, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
show where he said you did
what you did do was accuse people of having an inferiority complex because you disagreed with them
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
really? really?
Drew is insulting us left and right, making up junk about us and we’re supposed to defend it?
F that
I saw one F bomb which was uncalled for
and I saw a lot of things that were uncalled for that people said about him. I also saw people accuse Drew of a things that he wasn’t doing. Plenty of fault to go around. But how does any of that have anything to due with this since you weren’t replying to a post by Drew.
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Question a well placed ball?
Please, try reading all the comments:
I totally agree
Smith’s pass was actually pretty good, and Braylon should have made the catch.
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by 10forTech on Nov 22, 2011 1:36 AM CST up reply actions
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---Jim Harbaugh
the throw
If it was more to the left, it could’ve been lower and away from the defender. But I also think people are ignoring the knee issue. I would bet Edwards couldn’t jump quite as high as he might normally jump because the knee is not 100%
by David Fucillo on Nov 22, 2011 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
Fooch...
Did you not see the pass go directly in between his hands? Jumping was zero factor in that equation.
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"directly into his hands?"
really?
edwards had to reach high and behind himself to get a small part of his hand on the ball.
if the ball was thrown quicker it could have been thrown at edwards numbers for a very easy pass, edwards was running and had to reach behind himself to get the ball when he was running the opposite way. your assertions of very good or good pass is complete nonsense.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Oh my god… LOL
Some people… I sware to effin god
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exactly.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, it could have been an easy TD
for Arizona. I’d love to see how you envision a fade route hitting a receiver in the numbers. It has to get over the corner and be put where only the receiver can get it. I could have been lower, but not too much lower. But anytime a pass goes through the receiver’s hands, it’s on the receiver.
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Was his go go gadget arms going to extend and pick off that ball if its 4 inches lower?
Seriously though, all anyone on here has said is it wasn’t the best throw in the world. It could have been on the numbers and it would be a catch (disagree, I don’t care). I could have even been throw to the back pylon where most fade routes are thrown, with a little more touch, for another easy score (disagree again, fine).
Since you’re having trouble, saying that it wasn’t a perfect throw doesn’t mean its 100% on Alex. It doesn’t mean Braylon couldn’t have made a super catch (although we clearly disagree on degree of difficulty). It doesn’t mean Alex had a bad game. It doesn’t make us Alex haters.
if it's lower, he changes his angle and has a shot at it
at least knocking it away, if not picking it. I also didn’t say you were a hater. But do you for a second think that corners don’t react to where the ball is and move accordingly? He stayed pretty much under the ball the whole time. If it had been thrown to the side and lower, he would have cut it off and probably knocked it down. And I don’t need the sarcastic gogo gadget arms comment.
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Agree to disagree
I don’t need to be called an idiot by Drew, so if you’re defending him, don’t complain about a lil sarcasm.
I don’t think the defender gets there in time, but I concede what Alex why he may not try to sling it in there. Still doesn’t make it a good throw – maybe a mediocre throw.
I don’t need to be called an idiot by Drew, so if you’re defending him, don’t complain about a lil sarcasm.
I agree with his opinion, I don’t agree with insulting anyone. And I’m not him.
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
That wasn't a fade route
Unless Edwards ran entirely the wrong route. Dude more or less came to a stop with his shoulders angled 180 degrees wrong for a fade route. Either he’s a moron and ran entirely the wrong route, or it was a bad pass. If you look at the way Delanie clears out the short coverage, looked like the target was been the front corner of the endzone, and like that was Alex’s read.
Of course, there’s room for that being a bad route and a bad pass, which is what it looked like to me. The way Edwards sort of stops, I can’t imagine it’s drawn up that way. If it’s a hook you plant and give yourself a chance to put yourself between the ball and the db. As it is, Alex’s window was tiny.
Further in Alex’s defense, the throwing lane was a bit obstructed by the pass rush there, and it’s not clear he could see BE well. Regardless, it certainly was just not a good pass.
Anyway, one more reason KW needs to be promoted over BE.
According to Drew
It’s obviously a fade, so he’ll let you know he thinks you’re an idiot shortly.
It does look like Edwards hesitates, which makes it hard to know what exactly is going on.
It’s funny that people think they’re definitively right with only a tv angle to go from.
It’s obviously a fade, so he’ll let you know he thinks you’re an idiot shortly.
I’ve seen you guys say that a few times after posts where he doesn’t call anyone an idiot.
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
The only way that was a fade route
is if Braylon snoozed through the call in the huddle or has no idea what he’s doing out there. There’s no way in hell you set up for a fade like that.
It looked to me like a button hook with Edwards running it with all the gusto of a latter day TO, or possibly a shallow cross/skinny post with Edwards ad libbing badly. Otherwise I’m struggling to understand what he was trying to do wand what Alex’s read was.
Quite apart from the fact that we only have a tv angle, we don’t know what the routes were. That’s a bit confounding in this case.
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why didn't I see it before?
that must explain why he ran in, instead of out, right?
Here this might help ya , look at # 3 route ...!!
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Also telling by the way
is how far on his back foot is Alex when he throws that. It might have been a Calvin Johnson jump ball type route and Alex just overthrew it.
please...
just stop calling out individual users like this. It only serves to instigate.
by David Fucillo on Nov 22, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
look at the gif above, there was about 2 seconds were edwards had a clear path to alex smith. this was a pick play were the other wide-out cleared out both dbs. and pass did not go through his hand"s". edwards had to reach back and high to get a finger tip on the ball. great hyperbole.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 23, 2011 2:39 AM PST up reply actions
knee
He had to get his hands pretty high on that pass. Jumping was a factor. Maybe not the only factor, but it not a zero factor.
by David Fucillo on Nov 22, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
I think you make a legitimate point
Unfortunately the Alex fanatics can’t bring themselves around to reality.
Again I call that weird.
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because anyone disagreeing with you makes someone weird
and an alex fanatic.
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, thanks
You’re doing a great hatchet job of my opinion. Of course, you could be legit and answer my posts logically and reasonably, but why bother, right?
I really, really think Michael’s been playing great football.
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Unfortunately the Alex fanatics can’t bring themselves around to reality.
Again I call that weird.
I’m sorry, so you didn’t say that? I have responded logically. You disagree and that’s ok, but I think saying that I need to be brought back to reality because I disagree is a little ridiculous.
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry if you think that post was directed at you
I intended it for those who claim that Alex’s pass was perfect.
But dismissing my comment with a blanket untrue statement as you did wasn’t a logical response.
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after your post
I just figured you were into blanket untrue statements
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
You consider yourself an 'Alex fanatic' then?
Still doesn’t make your statement logical.
How about you figure out what a person really believes before arguing with them?
Reading their comments would be a good place to start.
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might want to look at what message you're really presenting
and stop complaining that people need to read your comments. I have read them. I’ve seen you say that you thought it was good, just not perfect. I’ve also seen many more posts of you making ridiculous criticisms of it. I don’t see how you can criticize a good pass that badly. You said it was good but then you nit pick to a ridiculous level.
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
You're making stuff up now
I’ve also seen many more posts of you making ridiculous criticisms of it.
…
You said it was good but then you nit pick to a ridiculous level.
Ridiculous.
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So, you couldn't come up with an example of any of my 'ridiculous criticisms' of the pass?
Not one?
You just make s*** up.
Drew, is that you?
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calling out
As I said to somebody above, throwing out user names like this just instigates. The argument itself got heated, but this kind of thing takes away from it.
by David Fucillo on Nov 22, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry Fooch
I get tired of people misrepresenting my point and attacking me for something I didn’t say or even imply.
But you’re right, I shouldn’t instigate.
Again, my apologies.
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You absolutely "implied" it.
And basically said it.
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You absolutely don't get it
Learn reading comprehension:
please…
just stop calling out individual users like this. It only serves to instigate.
by David Fucillo on Nov 22, 2011 6:40 PM CST
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---Jim Harbaugh
Not to mention...
If it did happen to be “a bit more to the left” and Braylon still dropped it, the folks who are nitpicking here would still be doing the same thing…
“Oh, he should have thrown it to a better spot”.
It is an extremely weak premise.
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but still...
I think his knee kept him from jumping higher.
I don’t think it was a bad throw, though. It wasn’t perfect, but it was good enough.
by David Fucillo on Nov 22, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree
It wasn’t perfect, but it was good enough.
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seems silly to be arguing then since the original premise that we're arguing against was that it was a bad pass
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously you didn't read my original premise
Look, I don’t want to argue about it
Just not sure why people feel the need to defend tooth and nail Alex Smith’s less than perfect ball placement.
Weird.
Dude, please read all the comments.
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then why didn't your respond to any of the bad pass comments?
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Huh?
Not sure what you’re asking. Who’s ‘making bad pass comments’?
Certainly not me.
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I'm not saying you did
I’m saying that you don’t seem to have a problem with any of the comments made by others that the pass was bad. You only have a problem with people who said it was perfect. That combined with complaining about the pass to a ridiculous level makes me not believe that you truly think that it was good. Your comments are not consistant with someone who thinks it’s good.
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Again..............................
I totally agree
Smith’s pass was actually pretty good, and Braylon should have made the catch.
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by 10forTech on Nov 22, 2011 1:36 AM CST up reply actions
Why are you arguing with me about this? lol
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dude
Edwards is not covered on that play. Just drill him in the numbers.
[Poorly Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM
#31 would have had a shot at getting a hand in on that.
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Can you NOT see No. 31 dipping in on that pass? Alex made a good read and put the ball where it had to go. Same exact pass made to Kyle Williams was caught against Dallas.
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He was breaking on the pass. Pretty frikin obvious
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Not to mention that reaction time in the NFL has to be on fractions of seconds…
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I think it's more that you can't put the blame all on Smith
In fact, I would say Smith bares onl 5-10% of the blame on that. Maybe the pass could have been a couple of inches lower, but that’s about it. It’s a really hard pass to make to begin with and Edwards simply let it go threw his hands.
In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
It’s nit picking for the sake of nit picking is what it is…
Talk about the pass to Crabtree if he’s gonna criticize anything. If you are going to be cynical…at least be cynical about the right things, right?
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I totally agree
Smith’s pass was actually pretty good, and Braylon should have made the catch.
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Hold on a second
Wasn’t this post about KYLE.FREAKING.WILLIAMS!?
In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
I don't even think this post hijaking was intentional
In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
Ball should have come out quicker and more to the sideline. That was not a perfect throw by any stretch of the imagination.
Yes it could have been caught, but it coul dhave been thrown better.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
Really? I watched the video before i responded.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
Everyone else is wrong
He’s the only person qualified to have an opinion.
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Do you understand the purpose of a fade route?
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Please, Drew
I’m not going to play this “You’re an idiot about football and now I’m going to school you” game with you. If you can’t at least acknowledge that I have a better than basic understanding of the game of football we have nothing to talk about.
In other words, treat me with a little respect if you don’t mind.
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It has nothing to do with respect... stop being sensitive.
It has to do with your lack of knowledge of how a fade route works. If you are going to pin that swish through Edwards’ hands, then it is QUITE evident that you don’t get it.
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*pin that swish through Edwards’ hands on Smith
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Yeah, thanks for the complement
I always appreciate the personal attacks as opposed to discussion and discourse.
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It's not an attack... get over it.
You got schooled and that is all there is to this. I didn’t call you names… I simply pointed out WITH EVIDENCE how you are wrong… and you get sensitive as always. It’s a blog… it’s not life and death.
When you are wrong, you’re wrong… and you are wrong.
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It's pointless talking to this guy
It’s his internet MO
by mrg80 on Nov 22, 2011 2:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You’re cool because you can use google translator.
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ok
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
You didn’t debunk anything… just brought a bunch of weak comments like these to the table.
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Thats all you ever bring to the table
All you do is talk down to people and act like they’re dumb if they don’t agree with you.
by mrg80 on Nov 22, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Whatever...
I brought plenty to back my stuff up… nobody contested it with anything legit.
Has nothing to do with agreeing, or not… it has everything to do with seeing things for what they are…
And here, once again, you’ve proven that when I talk down to people, it’s usually well-deserved.
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You brought opinion, nothing more
I don’t think there’s any way the corner makes a play on that ball if it’s 4 inches lower. There’s no way that’s an easy catch. All have this has been said and several people agree.
You see something different, fine, but people aren’t calling you an idiot for seeing something through your Smith colored glasses. All you can do is insult and blow people’s comments out of proportation, showing how petty and small minded you really are. Tough guys on the internet….pathetic…
You kidding me?
I brought video from the best wide receiver in the NFL and how the route is ran.
It’s plenty. More than you brought regardless.
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And where ball location should be.
But go ahead… throw another comment back at me about nothing related to the subject.
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Whatever you say, mr gods gift to football analysis. Your ego and inability to have rational conversation are mind boggling. When is your tv show on?
not on tv, youtube channel.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
mrg80 point is proven yet AGAIN.
All you can do is insult and blow people’s comments out of proportion, showing how petty and small minded you really are. Tough guys on the internet…pathetic…
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Okay… cause you didn’t come at me first with bullshit did ya?
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lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
and what does that have to due with the evidence he presented
Or the topic of conversation. Sounds like you just want to dismiss drew because you have no counter point
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
fail
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
REC"ED TEN TIMES IF I COULD.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
"if I could"
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
you lie
quotes are only true if presented in the pink block quote form
truth
lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
actually
I think there is a little confusion between Alex and Braylon on this play. Alex IS throwing a fade… but Braylon ISN’T quite there… That’s why he has to leap for it.
Not being in the huddle, we don’t know if there is any adjustment on this play depending on coverage. What is Alex supposed to do if Edwards route isn’t perfect? Or were they both supposed to adjust and Alex didn’t see it or was overly worried about 31 coming underneath?
[Poorly Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM
I cannot fathom
how we are having this big of a thread on the precise placement of a ball and a missed opportunity. %%^$ happens. Who cares who is at fault. Missed chance happens to everyone. We won the game didn’t we?
Regardless of it being a fade route it was a pick play. Vs Man to man that pass has to come out quick and to the sideline.
Not a perfect throw, not a perfect attempt at catching it, but could it have been thrown better? Yes. Could he hav caught it where it was thrown? yes. Looks ot me like Braylon was expecting that ball to be more to the outside. Should have came out quicker as well.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
Came out when he hit his back foot... on that play, it required a specific drop back.
Came out as fast as it could.
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watch again, and you can change your drop.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
In case you don't...
Here.. have Calvin Johnson school you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zTuQonuGhQ
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We aren't talking about Calvin Johnson
We’re talking about Alex Smith and his less than perfect ball placement this last game.
Even you have to admit that Alex made some boneheaded throws yesterday.
I really, really think Michael’s been playing great football.
---Jim Harbaugh
The one to a wide open Crabtree was a crappy throw...
But to sit there and nit pick is BS and you know it.
And the point of the feed since you missed the boat was to illustrate the route but apparently you missed that boat too.
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To call the pass perfect is BS and you know it
I really, really think Michael’s been playing great football.
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It was exactly where it needed to be and I don't know it...because I have
clearly illustrated to you how a fade route works, where the ball is supposed to be on that route, etc… so excuse me if I come off as brash, but it is what it is… and you’re comments about the throw are what is BS here…. not how I am commenting to you… nothing personal about it.
I call a spade a spade and am not shy about it. You know that, everybody who frequents these boards here knows that.
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You're saying he had one bad throw?
More objective people than you counted 6-7 bad throws from Alex this last game.
I really, really think Michael’s been playing great football.
---Jim Harbaugh
What are you trying to prove… you are steering away from the topic. I watched Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers make the same amount of off or bad throws this weekend… I guess those guys suck too, eh?
Every quarterback every week throws a couple bad ones. They are human, not robots… they will make human errors.
What do you want? 31/31 400 yards with 4 TD’s and 0 INT???
For you to sit there and say those things is a bit ridiculous in my opinion. To me, it is nit picking… and I am sure others on this board will view it the same.
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Because we have like 17097214917489124124214 comments on this one pass I will comment on it too.
Yes the throw was high. Yes it may be possible, or probable that Alex threw it there because the CB was already on the way to Braylon Edwards before he threw it. Yes Alex could’ve and should’ve thrown it a little lower but at the same time a good WR catches those balls. So it is both Alex’s and Edward’s fault. Edwards should’ve done his job and caught the ball even though it is difficult and Alex could’ve made it easier by throwing it lower.
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by manraj7 on Nov 22, 2011 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Dang , hit the up button to whom your replying too and holly smokes , it stems from way up there ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Yup
I know I hit that up button all the way up.
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Aw, cmon manraj!
This is the internet! You think we want people being reasonable here? (Sarcasm)
Not a troll
by Riding The F Train on Nov 22, 2011 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
shit I keep messing up
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you know things are starting to get out of hand when manraj becomes the voice of reason
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
problem is alex smith is god and does no wrong.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 23, 2011 2:41 AM PST up reply actions
Kyle Williams played well. I hope he gets more snaps and continues to impress.
If he doesn’t (get more snaps), it might be that:
1) he does not block as well as you imagine,
2) 3rd wide receiver snaps are limited by Delanie Walker’s versatility,
3) Ginn draws quite a few double coverages which help other receivers get open,
4) coaches are trying to give Edwards a chance to play himself into shape and get more “game sharp”…
5) other
double coverage on ginn? you mean crabtree right?
kyle blocks better than ted ginn jr.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
no I mean Ginn. I think that safeties lean his way and he draws a lot of double coverage on passes to other receivers.
Yes, maybe Kyle blocks better than Ginn, but i don’t think he can block nearly as well as Crabtree or Edwards (or Morgan when healthy). (Or Delanie, obvi)
ted ginn jr scares no one as a wideout: result no double teams
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 23, 2011 2:43 AM PST up reply actions
Being an ASU student,
I’ve been a fan since he was drafted and every time he caught the ball it was like the biggest event of the year. I love him as a #3 WR and i think he’ll be productive for this team for a while.
"Caring about stuff binds us to the other people that care about stuff, and that creates the communities that makes life worth living."
the thing about the guy, is he has played like experience wideout from day one.
like tapping his toes in on his first td of the year or breaking up a pass when he is not able to catch it.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
great points.
he’s smart and aware.
"Caring about stuff binds us to the other people that care about stuff, and that creates the communities that makes life worth living."
Kyle Williams will be a great #3 receiver
he’s a slot receiver and deserves #3 duties.
Don’t think he should be the #2, don’t think he’ll ever be a true #2.
This season Crabtree is our only true #2 and we don’t have a WR playing at #1 level.
Niners need to draft wr Dwight Jones, North Carolina next year. With Jones, Crabtree, Williams, Morgan, V. Davis, and Walker that would be 1 hell of a receiving core. Just as good as Greenbays, then niners should be able to compete with them, anybody for that matter. Keep Ginn as the 5th receiver and returner if possible ?
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Nov 22, 2011 2:45 PM PST reply actions
the thing is, if alex smith is going to be the qb; the niners need to resign edwards and morgan. it takes alex smith a few years to establish a good relationship with the people he passes to.drafting someone to start is not a good idea.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
I honestly think the receiving corps is really solid if we bring back Bray.
I still think we should draft another playmaker on defense to put it over the top.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Nov 22, 2011 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
yes, sign morgan and edwards
draft all defense next year
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 23, 2011 2:44 AM PST up reply actions
This kid really does look like he's in the mold of Steve Smith (Carolina). I know someone mentioned it so kudos to them.
Steve Smith: 5’9’’ 185
Kyle Williams: 5’10" 186
He has that same kind of tenacity as Smith, with the physicality and natural fluidity in everything he does. The kid was born to ball.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Nov 22, 2011 7:10 PM PST reply actions
This is Kyle Williams
ClaYton Kershaw, Giant Killa | KeMVP #BEASTMODE
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by mikeinsp on Nov 22, 2011 8:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I giggled
love that kitteh
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 23, 2011 2:44 AM PST up reply actions
I'm all about more Kyle Williams
In fact, I’ve wanted to see #10 on the field more than any other receiver since the pre-season. People get so caught up in the glam of the WR position. Size, strength, speed. But that’s all style points if you don’t run good routes and catch the ball in nearly every opportunity. Kyle Williams has been fantastic at making the most of his opportunities. That’s the kind of player I want on the field all the time.
Personally, I think the 49ers lost the best WR on their team in Josh Morgan. He almost never drops the ball, and he is always where Smith expects him to be. Crabtree is coming on strong and could easily become best on the team (and an all-pro), but he has had some spurts of bad play (including drops). Braylon was the athletic, strong, big bodied guy that could add a dimension… if he was healthy. But without his knee right, he is clearly unexplosive… and we knew he couldn’t catch in the first place. 3 balls off his hands (including the one in the endzone) in the first half last week had me pulling my hair. Smith is playing too well to deserve his WR dropping everything under the moon. He threw a few bad balls (like missing Crabtree in the back of the endzone), but he threw many more catchable balls that hit the ground off receivers hands. I had a count of 7 in the game.
I would really like to see the starting WRs be Crabtree & Williams. Ginn and Edwards can be as much a liability as a weapon with their shoddy hands. Yeah, Ginn gets open and Edwards is always open due to his size & athleticism, but I’ve seen too many off their hands to trust them. I’d rather 2 WR & 2 TE. When Edwards gets healthy, play him. But he’s not. I like Williams all the way right now.
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