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The 49ers Offensive Line Which, by the Way, Doesn't Suck

King in the North! King in the North!

Call me Stupid.

A game I like to play is the "look-back-at-our-silly-preconceived-notions-concerning-the-lockout." It's a fun game because for the most part a lot of us were pretty stupid. I was pretty stupid - maybe even the stupidest. King Stupid, if you will.

I was all about how the lockout would dampen this and hinder that and maybe it has. But, frankly, at 9-1 you kind of have to say that the supposed consequences of the lockout have not really shown up like we thought they would. I've always wanted to have premonition abilities since seeing Minority Report, and I thought that I had some this offseason - all with the added bonus of not having to ever be around Tom Cruise. I don't want to catch his crazy: it's communicable through speech.

One area that may be my saving grace, however, is the o-line. It's hard to look at the o-line that just gave up zero sacks against a defense that has Darnell Dockett on it (though I will whisper under my breath, "overrated"), and say that it is the same o-line we saw at the beginning of the season. Night and day, my friends. Night and day.

Star-divide

The fact of the matter is I really do think the lockout had a serious affect on the o-line this season. Protection packages are so complex that it really shouldn't be a surprise to see an o-line that has some serious talent on it struggle to stand strong against a slight breeze, let alone an oncoming player.

The beginning of the year was like telling John Wayne to win a shootout without any bullets. Could he do it? Of course: this is John Wayne, you dolt. Don't ever doubt him. But it would be darn hard. And he wouldn't get an Oscar.

So I don't find it surprising at all that this o-line has been able to pick up the slack in terms of pass protection as the season moves by. They were in a pretty rough situation to begin with, but they are young and talented and full of vim and vigor.

I'm more impressed with this line, though, when it comes to run blocking. I especially like to watch Anthony Davis in run situations. He has a tenacity that makes me want to, at least, get in a nasty pillow fight. I always find Davis shoving some puny linebacker around while Frank Gore runs on by. Davis finds a way into the secondary on like every run play. He doesn't even move; he apparates. I'm convinced of it, to be frank.

The unit as a whole, though, is mighty impressive. It's no coincidence, I think, that Frank is a having a bit of a renaissance this year. Moreover, the emergence of Kendall Hunter and the brief emergence of Anthony Dixon on Sunday both speak to the aggressive nature with which the o-line attacks an opposing defense.

I like where this line is going and I think that as the lockout sails off to Valinor we are going to see this line solidify even more. In fact, with the emergence of Alex Smith and the continued dominance of the run game, I might argue that the key to keeping up the improvement in the offense rests with the o-line.

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Alex Smith started playing better...

…and Harbaugh gradually took the training-wheels off.

Yeah, it is that simple. The OL was never as bad as the early-season hysteria suggested.

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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Nov 22, 2011 9:23 AM PST reply actions  

And by the same token...

They aren’t suddenly the “Hogs” version 2.0.

They aren’t the maulers that 200-yards plus rushing games might suggest, either. Collectively as a group they are perhaps…

Slightly above-average.

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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Nov 22, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

It's the opposite

The early season hype about a guarded offense for Alex was overhyped. He was the only guy playing well through three games. The offense has hardly changed, they can just run the ball effectively and pass block now and it’s allowed them to sustain drives.

The main reason is the OL has drastically improved.

by hammystyle on Nov 22, 2011 9:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Bingo ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Nov 22, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Just wrong, fellas...

I’m done as far as talking it through, though…

If you think the offense has “hardly changed” since the opener, if you think Alex was turned loose and was playing well from Day 1, if you think he was the "only guy playing well through three games…

You probably believe in Unicorns and Santa Clause too.

I have many leather-bound books.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Nov 22, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Hummm...

The ever vapid debate strategy of “repeat what they said with incredulity, then compare those beliefs to mythical creatures.” Always popular. Great evidence.

You’re entitled to your opinion. However, try supporting it with some evidence. Heck, even conjecture would be superior to the argument you presented. Let me have a try:

NOT the “Hogs” 2.0?!?!?!? Slightly above average?!??! Clearly, you believe in the boogie man and leprechauns!

Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.

-randolphforpresident

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 22, 2011 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

How 'bout I'll give you a choice?

(A) Bite me.
(B) Byte me.
© Bight me.
(D) Beight me.

And I don’t believe in the Boogie Man, that’s ridiculous. But I do have a good friend named Cecil who is a leprechaun and, ironically enough, also a Knicks fan.

(just MAYBE idiots who are adding mythical creature references into comments, perhaps just MAYBE we they aren’t armed with an INTERNET DEBATE, uh, “strategy” and are just giving someone a hard time…)

I have many leather-bound books.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Nov 22, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I do NOT, in fact, own the copyright on the phrase "Bight me."

By all means, please feel free to continue using it, gents…

I have many leather-bound books.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Nov 22, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol, someone has been watching Harry Potter

bq.

He doesn’t even move; he apparates.

But as stated above by all, yes this O-line has improved immensely, compared to the Saints preseason game.

Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!

The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!

by Kidd2Petrovic on Nov 22, 2011 9:57 AM PST reply actions  

Isn't it ironic

That game put so much focus on them that they had to gel quickly… looking good right now.

by Da Bum on Nov 22, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

yes they are looking good...

It just goes to show how well the O-line coaches, Solari & Drevno, were able to see the deficiencies and rectify the situation asap.

Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!

The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!

by Kidd2Petrovic on Nov 23, 2011 7:00 AM PST up reply actions  

The biggest change was Chilo

I did see him improve at first, but he went back to his old ways pretty quickly. It was apparent that he was on a short leash. Once Snyder came in we saw a big difference. He is not the best player, but he understands the game very well. Notice how big Anthony Davis has improved since having Snyder next to him? Gives him a security blanket instead of a liability. I’m not saying Chilo is garbage and Snyder is great, but there is a noticeable change.

by mcwagner on Nov 22, 2011 10:02 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

This

I think that played a big role. The protection looked sloppy in the 4th quarter against AZ without him. It is also worth noting that our pass coverage got shredded a couple times very quickly after Goldson went out.

The O-line does not suck. They are very good run blockers. They are slightly-above-average pass protectors. I have seen a lot of strides from Alex over the last 4-6 weeks. If he keeps it up, he’s going to be a legit QB for the playoffs, which would make us much more competitive.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Nov 22, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

re: "It is also worth noting that our pass coverage got shredded a couple times very quickly

 after Goldson went out"…

It’s also worth noting that on Larry Fitzgerald‘s TD reception, Carlos Rogers had PERFECT coverage, actually made contact with the pass, but the contact misdirected the pass only very slightly, and Fitzgerald, an OUTSTANDING receiver, was able to make an excellent adjustment to the altered trajectory of the ball and made an outstanding catch. Reggie Smith was also in good position, but the altered trajectory of the ball made him a non-issue. We need to keep in mind that some of the oppositions’ players are all-pro atheletes, and when they succeed it’s not always because one (or more) of our players failed…

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Nov 22, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I know

And that TD was basically undefendable.

But, our defense with Goldson in > our defense without him.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Nov 22, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Nov 22, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't I see Rogers miss the int? Didn't it go right through his hands?

I remember thinking to myself… damn, we should not have hyped Rogers catching those ints all week… it is a curse for sure.

by Da Bum on Nov 22, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

It went right through.

Should have been pick #6 for him.

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by Virginia9er on Nov 22, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Basically

Although I couldn’t tell from the replay where his line of sight was, so I’m not sure if he just whiffed on it, or if he didn’t see it until it had passed by him.

Still like him, but that’ll be something for him to correct in the future.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Nov 22, 2011 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really bagging on Rogers

That pass was not undefendable. In fact, we should have had a pick, IMO. Rogers has a history of getting his hands on balls but being unable to bring them in. This year, he has been much better for us! Of course, the week that we highlight that (after 2 in the last game), he misses one like that…

Basically, we had a great defensive scheme against Larry and on that play, we failed to fully execute. It happens from time to time. Hopefully, it will remain a rare occurence.

by Da Bum on Nov 23, 2011 7:07 AM PST up reply actions  

exactly

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously......the 9ers O-line has to be in the NFL top 10, yes?

Second question – it appears all our o-linemen are very good, but how would YOU rank them on their own team, best to worse,including the main 2 back -ups:

Tackles: Staley-Davis-Boone
Guards: Snyder-Iupati-Rachal
Center: Goodwin

by BigMar on Nov 22, 2011 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

Yup

The thing with him though is this: He is very good, but he is still not playing to his ability. I would assume the coaching staff is working with him, but he consistently plays too high, and while he’s strong enough that it usually still works for him, he’d be even better if he could get the leverage part of the position down.

HULK SMASH!

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Nov 22, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

For whatever it's worth...

I think we did see effects of the lockout in the first 3 games. Many teams had the same problems, though, so it balanced out. Dockett isn’t really being used properly in Arizona. I’m guessing he’d look better on the Raiders, Tampa Bay, someplace where they’re playing more of a straight 4-3. They should trade him, but they won’t.

by asleepinSF on Nov 22, 2011 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

Doing Great and Still Improving

At the end of last year I had three main concerns going into this year. They were the O-Line, Safeties and Corners and the Pass Rush. After the Dallas game I was still concerned with the O-Line and even though I saw a big improvement in the D-Back play, they still weren’t sticking with their assignments at times.

After that game the O-Line has really solidified. Yes they get beat occasionally but they are playing really well which gives Smith time and our running game lanes to motor through.

With the pass heavy nature of this years version of the NFL we have seen the D-Back give up a few big plays but for the most part theose are more than offset by lots of int’s and great pass defenses.

It looks like the lockout did have a big impact in some areas. In fact it seems like almost every week the coaching staff breaks out a few new things for the team to work on, almost like it’s still training camp.

Can’t wait until they really gel!

by MO Bond on Nov 22, 2011 10:36 AM PST reply actions  

i wish we woulda drafted earl thomas and iupati

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by MichaelClutchtree on Nov 22, 2011 10:46 AM PST reply actions  

last year I was thinking the same thing; but this year I am not so sure

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 22, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

nah

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by mikeinsp on Nov 22, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

This post is so awesome

You cited Valinor! Major cred.

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by Blowfish on Nov 22, 2011 10:49 AM PST reply actions  

I'll say it

Chilo and Moran were garbage and it’s not a coincidence that the entire offense started playing better once both were removed from the starting lineup. Us Niners fans have been asking for both to go for years and we finally got our wishes granted.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Nov 22, 2011 10:53 AM PST reply actions  

Can't wait til the new season comes out. Game of Thrones.....

When I saw Snyder with his helmet off and nose bleeding and sweaty hair….I told my friend that he looked like a Viking warrior just after battle. I wouldn’t want to fight him.

by ericalancanty on Nov 22, 2011 11:13 AM PST reply actions  

I don't want to sound like a kiss A$$.

But I had the up most faith in our niners this year and mostly right after singletary was removed I saw our team own that next game and I said to myself all we need is a offensive minded coach. I then read that we got Jim and I was telling everyone this was going to be our year. I already had faith in our defense and now everything is unfolding just as I invisioned. I knew our GM was going to get us the right peices in free agency. He after all was head of scouting for us. And i’m pretty sure he already knew what he was getting with rogers, whitner, and Bowman. I just want to take this post to show thanks to our owner jed york for actually doing his job and getting us the right pieces himself we have Balke and Harbaugh because of him. And we have our current team with those additions. I love my niners and am very excited for our futer.

by Zintzun22niner on Nov 22, 2011 11:14 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I don't think that you're being a kiss-@$$ at all, and I share almost all the thoughts you shared...

my only concern was the effect the lockout was going to have. I’m shocked and amazed that we were able to do so well SO QUICKLY. I had faith that we would, we had all the pieces in place…

Our coaching staff has done a totally incomprehensibly great job of bringing our players along so quickly, and the players have obviously been working their tails off to absorb it all. KUDOS to all…

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Nov 22, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not

Lets not forget what he did with students. He was making the jump to pros, where professionals work. Now I’m not saying I expected a superbowl right away but the divisional crown I did!!!

by Zintzun22niner on Nov 22, 2011 2:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Division crown against a weak and regressing NFC West - YES

A legit shot at homefield throughout… uhhhh no. I had us pegged for 8-8 to 10-6 with a very rough start. Now 10-6 would be a HUGE disappointment. LOVE IT!

by Da Bum on Nov 22, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

My pre-season prediction was for 9-7 and the NFC crown...

When we got to 7-1, I got “brave” and upped my prediction to 11-5. I now think that 11-5 is too conservative, heck, we only need to go 2-4 the rest of the way to reach that, so I’m going waaaaayyyyy out on a limb here (actually, not really) and upping my prediction to 13-3, that’s 4-2 the rest of the way vs Baltimore, Pittsburgh here, Seattle (who’s playing better) up there, Arizona down there, and home-and-home with the Rams.

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Nov 22, 2011 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Now that the 49ers are really good, I don’t really know what to say in comments.

All I can ever think of to say is: Everything is wonderful and I love everything.

by LondonNiner on Nov 22, 2011 12:39 PM PST reply actions  

seriously

It’s hard to describe this stuff sometimes.

by David Fucillo on Nov 22, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

How's this?

Will Tukuafu must go!!! He’s terrible!

WE would be 10-0 if it weren’t for WILL TUKUAWFULl!!!!!

by AptosNinerFan on Nov 22, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree. It’s all his fault. Him and Alex Boone … nope, sorry, I can’t even muster the enthusiasm for that joke anymore.

I think it’s because the division is tied up, to all intents and purposes. I think my fire will return when the play-offs come around and we’re back to being the underdog again. Until then, I’m like an overstuffed Roman emperor, feasting on the grapes of a 9-1 start to the season. I think Frederick P Soft got to me. I’m infected!

by LondonNiner on Nov 22, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

They're the underdog this Thursday...

For me it’s like those times when you’re starving because you haven’t eaten in a while and you’re looking at the restaurants’ menu. You proceed to order the largest, most filling thing they have only to take a couple bites and then feel suddenly full.

After 8 years of eating quinoa (Erickson, Nolan, Singletary) I ordered the Chicken Fired Steak and Eggs (Harbaugh) and now I feel full.

Get me a glass of water.

by AptosNinerFan on Nov 22, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

WOW. How is that possible?

They must really be counting on the 6 hour flight and short week. How can we be dogs?

Well, the Niners have covered EVERY week so far, so… how about one more!

by Da Bum on Nov 22, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we're pretty obviously dogs in this game

The Ravens are a really good team, so I’d say that we’d get 1.5 points. Then, factor in the short week and traveling to the east coast, and that’s a 1.5 point swing, and then they get the 3 point bump for being at home, giving them a 3 point advantage in Vegas. I don’t think either team is really a true underdog in this game.

I'm just a simple Giants fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Nov 22, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

We WILL (maybe) SMASH the Ravens!

I see it like this:

The Ravens had a TOUGH GAME against the Bengals. We had a scrimmage against the Cardinals. They’re a little more beat up. ADVANTAGE 49ERS.

The Ravens will be a little flat and emotionally spent after winning a critical Divisional battle w/playoff implications. We will be PISSED and FIRED UP after playing rather poorly in a less meaningful game against the Cardinals. ADVANTAGE 49ERS.

The Ravens have ALL THE PRESSURE. They are EXPECTED to win this Nationally televised game at home. They are fighting to keep pace w/the Steelers and remain in the hunt in the AFC. We are playing w/house money. Alex Smith could go to the Bahamas for 2 weeks and we’d still be fine. If we get blown out, many people will just say "Meh… That was coming.’ Nothing to lose at all for the 49ers. Zero pressure. ADVANTAGE 49ERS.

Simply put, we have better players overall. ADVANTAGE 49ERS.

Simply put, we have the better HARBAUGH overall… ADVANTAGE 49ERS.

And this last one feels strange to type, I’ll admit. We have… We have a BETTER Quarterback. ADVANTAGE 49ERS.

49ERS 31 RAVENS 7.

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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Nov 22, 2011 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

The 4 day thing

Kind of sucks because we don’t have as much prep time — but our defense was only on the field for like 45 seconds last Sunday so I don’t think we are exhausted.

by Ougadas on Nov 23, 2011 4:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you really think Jim has not been preparing for this all year

I am sure there are some things that have sneaked into the game plan week to week that were meant for this game!

by Da Bum on Nov 23, 2011 7:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah but you also have to practice it

You can’t just write something up on the whiteboard on the sideline and expect guys to run it.

If we have something special just for the Ravens, we aren’t going to have alot of time to drill it in.

by Ougadas on Nov 23, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Except according to Greg Roman

We did exactly that last Sunday. Go figure. Of course, I’d be less comfortable doing something like that against the Ravens than the Cardinals.

by Ougadas on Nov 23, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

Last Sunday’s “gameplan” on offense had the feel of a scrimmage… Gonna try some of this, gonna see what happens if we do a little of that, etc…

Completely felt like a “these guys suck/we can do whatever and still win” mindset.

And to the “Harbaugh’s got something special cooked up” thoughts that are popping up… Meh, not really. Like Ougadas said, you don’t just CREATE something spur of the moment like that in football at this level.

You do tweak and adjust your EXISTING route concepts and blocking schemes in the run game on a week-by-week basis. I only know the offensive side of the ball, but I imagine Defenses do the same thing.

That’s probably limited this week because of the short week, so I’d guess we actually have LESS hatched up for the Ravens than we normally would.

I have many leather-bound books.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Nov 23, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re green already but have another rec all the way from London.

by LondonNiner on Nov 22, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Wes, I've said this before, but you write very well, especially for someone of such tender years

That having been said, and only because you already write so well, I have a suggestion for improvement… In the last line of the next to the next to the last paragraph, you state “…on like every run play…”, and this is far below the quality of the rest of your writing (it sounds pretty 13 year oldish). I’d suggest something of the nature of “on almost every run play” or “on nearly every run play”… alternatives abound. I hope that you accept this in the manner in which it was offered, to be constructive.

Also, I agree very much with the main premise of your post. After our 3rd or 4th game, I made the comment that “we will go as far as the O line will carry us”. You know what “they” say about great minds….

Keep up the good work. It’s truly a pleasure to read well thought out, well crafted posts…

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Nov 22, 2011 2:06 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks for the constructive criticisms. I am by no means offended and will take it into consideration going forward. Sometimes I like the “young” feel of “like,” but I agree that it can lend itself toward childishness. Thanks for the kind words.

by WesHanson on Nov 22, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Wes, I was OFFENDED for you! "Tender years" indeed... Grrrrrrrrrr!!!

OldJock… You’re like a…like, bastard…dude.

I have many leather-bound books.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Nov 22, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

But, IFWMO, you're offended by nearly everything I say...

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Nov 22, 2011 11:19 PM PST up reply actions  

;-D

Touche… Happy Thanksgiving!

I have many leather-bound books.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Nov 23, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It's great to see our OL do well after so many bad years

The high-draft picks and high investments in Staley, Chilo (and Snyder) then Davis and Iupati last year, it’s great to see them starting to gel. The best things I’ve seen however have been the attitudes of this particular group given 1) new coaching, 2) shorten prep time with the lockout 3) high expectations. Those things are:

1) Adam Snyder has stepped up to the plate like his fellow draft classmate, Alex Smith. His addition bridged the gap between a new to SF, veteran center in Goodwin and still-green Anthony Davis. He also plays with a mean streak that is demanded by the OL coaches and Rathman for the RBs.

2) Chilo Richal, in turn, was replaced by the aforementioned Snyder, however has done everything that was asked of him and has jumped in and show why he is still regarded a solid run blocker. I think his ability to know his role in this scheme and possibly take a step back to learn, improve, etc. has been unselfish and should go unnoticed

3) Alex Boone…this guy was a potential timebomb for us after some very questionable college and post college escapades. He has, however, turned around what would have been a waste of talent and waste of a career into being a valuable cog within the Harbaugh/Roman offensive machine. It’s even interesting to hear people bring his name up as potentially pushing Davis and even Staley for a starting role in the future (odds are not likely, but Davis is still learning, remember that Staley was originally an RT and Boone was LT)

Adding Goodwin into the discussion is important, however he’s a vet, a Super Bowl winner and Pro Bowler, I expect him to play and perform at a certain level.

Either way, I’m excited because this is the heartbeat of any offense and seeing the running game churn out tough yards and Alex not having to scramble every single drop back is very encouraging. Sign these kids up to long term contracts!

by Panda4Niner on Nov 22, 2011 2:49 PM PST reply actions  

I think the one aspect that makes this O-line even better is the fact that they have good depth behind the starters

They are grooming Beeler to take over at the center position & Kilgore as the future at the RG. Boone has the ability to be a really good starter in this league. Plus Chilo while as inconsistent as any player in the league has tons of talent and could eventually learn to unlock all that potential. We dont know what we will get out of Person, he is the wildcard

by Lok on Nov 22, 2011 3:46 PM PST reply actions  

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