49ers Vs. Ravens: Alex Smith's End Of Half Interception
by David Fucillo on Nov 25, 2011 9:01 AM PST
in San Francisco 49ers Game Recap, Review 2011
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PrintOver the course of the game I was sending out tweets with some of my thoughts about the 49ers performance, play-calling and just the game in general. One of the tweets that got a lot of responses was when I agreed with the decision to go deep late in the first half on a play that resulted in an Alex Smith interception.
The 49ers converted a 4th and 3 and had 1st and 10 at the Baltimore 35 with 18 seconds left. On the ensuing play, Alex Smith threw a deep pass to Braylon Edwards in the end zone. Lardarius Webb made the inside play on the ball and got the interception, preventing the 49ers from attempting a field goal with sure-footed David Akers.
After the game, there was some discussion about there being some miscommunication on the play. It sounds like Alex was supposed to fire the pass over Braylon's outside shoulder, but instead came inside and the interception resulted. Coach Harbaugh indicated "[w]e were more hoping for the back shoulder" but then he also said he wasn't sure who exactly was right on that play.
Whatever the case, I still think it was a decent play-call given the situation. One argument against it was the fact that points were at a premium and they might as well just play it safe to get a little closer for the field goal. I can see some reasoning for that, but I also think taking one shot deep was not such a bad idea.
For those concerned about Braylon's performance in the end zone, I took a look back at the play and if he was expecting the ball over his outside shoulder, it is not surprising he cut behind Webb and didn't try and cut inside. As Smith said after the game, some of that has to do with installing a new offense on the fly. It is so much easier for their to be miscommunication in these kinds of instances.
What did you think at the time and has your opinion changed at all since last night?
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edwards...
is 6-3. webb is 5-10. the pass may have been thrown with more air under it than it was supposed to have been, but that should actually give the taller edwards an advantage. it’s not like smith threw an errant back-shoulder bullet that braylon didn’t have time to adjust to, and that neutralized his height advantage. the ball was in the air for an eternity, and braylon just watched it, continued running downfield outside of webb, and never made any attempt to play the ball. hell, in that situation, just tackle webb for god’s sake. a 10-yard OPI penalty is light year’s better than conceding an INT.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 25, 2011 9:11 AM PST reply actions
so true
he had plenty of time to adjust, but decided a light lock tug was a sufficient effort. I’m thoroughly unimpressed with Braylon so far. If the defender can track that ball then he could have. That is a one on one jump ball. Alex could have thrown it a little better but Rodgers gets away with passes like that all the time.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
Exactly my view
That was on Edwards. Inept & unless he shows more, this will be remembered for next year’s decisions.
It's becoming more and more clear why Edwards (1) doesn't stick anywhere, and (2) doesn't get the big long-term contract ...
Last week he dropped three passes right in his hands. Then, last night he was virtually invisable until the subject play … on which he did absolutely nothing to either catch the ball or knock it down; rather, he allowed the one unacceptable outcome … let the much smaller DB intercept. He’s supposed to by the #1 receiver … but he’s playing like a rookie #3.
My opinion, don’t resign him and draft a 6’3" – 6’5" receiver in the April draft … fortunately there are a lot of such prospects available in this draft.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Nov 25, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
When I watched the play I immediately put the blame on Edwards.
If the receiver and the defensive back are both moving downfield and the DB has the best play on the ball, the receiver stops, lets the DB run into him and draws a pass interference call. That would have put the ball on the one yard line.
I haven’t been thrilled with Edwards since he’s been here. Next year the team needs to pick up another wideout.
but then I have a reading problem...
by Bob In Beaverton on Nov 25, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Not trying to amke an excuse for Alex.
I think that pass was on him. But I really think that Braylon should’ve grabbed Webb’s arms when he realised he couldn’t make the catch. Offensive PI is better then an interception.
by Ralha on Nov 25, 2011 9:18 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
agreed and recd
Its his fault but Braylon HAD TO at least try to make him uncomfortable.
Offensice PI = -15 yards and a loss of down
We would still have the ball, but the chances of getting in field goal range with so little time left on the clock, plus the loss of a down would make it highly improbable.
by suffrin9erfan on Nov 25, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry - 10 yards and loss of downm
Still would have virtually killed our chances of getting in field goal range.
by suffrin9erfan on Nov 25, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Offensive Pass Inteference
Is 10 yards since when has it been a loss of downs?
by Rocky632 on Nov 25, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
since...
never. There is no loss of down.
by Sigelvictory on Nov 25, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
Can we blame the coaching staff?
We have all seen that Braylon has been both slow of foot and slow to react to the ball since he has returned from his knee operation. That endzone pass that went through his hands last week, after he was unable to get off the ground, seems a perfect example of this.
For the above reasons, it’s already questionable whether he should be playing at all when the Niners have a healthy and speedy Kyle Williams. Given that, it seems even more questionable that Braylon should be the coach’s choice for a long play call like that.
Over
Yes, a mystery
why KW isn’t playing more. Anybody have a reason why?
I would assign them some of the blame as well
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
How do 9ers stack up compared to NFC contenders....
Green Bay : 34.7 avg points / 401.3 avg yards / 304.1 pass / 97.2 Rush
New Orleans: 31.3 avg points / 436.9 avg yards / 319.4 Pass / 117.5 Rush
Detroit: 28.7 avg points / 376.7 avg yards / 272.5 Pass / 104.3 Rush
Dallas: 24.5 avg points / 390.1 avg yards / 271.6 Pass / 118.5 Run
49ers: 23.8 avg points / 308.6 avg yards / 179.9 Pass / 128.7 Run
Atlanta: 23.5 avg points / 369.0 avg yards / 248.4 Pass / 120.6 Run
New York: 22.8 avg points / 364.6 avg yards / 281.4 Pass / 83.2 Run
The question is
Is Braylon Edwards a good fit in the 49er offense? And, if so, is he a true #1 receiver?
by njennings on Nov 25, 2011 9:35 AM PST via mobile reply actions
No and No
It was a worthwhile gamble. If he returned to 2007 form we got him cheap. He didn’t, and we aren’t out much.
and...
there’s always plenty of WR options in FA, should the org take that route.
I'd love to have Dwayne Bowe
And there would be no worries about him being a guy who’s just putting up numbers in a great system. If you can produce at WR in KC you can do it anywhere.
Niners definitely need a tall vertical threat
Will there be any available in FA in the offseason? But Id really like to see the OLine issues taken care of before they worry about receivers. The ravens line made the niners line look like a pop warner team
by njennings on Nov 25, 2011 10:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Im content moving forward
With Williams and Crabtree if Baalke can pick up a legit RG and LT.
by njennings on Nov 25, 2011 11:15 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
One plus for getting Braylon: it pushed Crabtree to play harder
Crabtree is now playing better than he ever has in a 9er uniform and I don’t think that would have happened without the competition from Edwards. Unfortunately, Edwards is a bit of a disappointment. A guy that size should be much more aggressive going after the ball against smaller defenders than he is. He said he was going to be the man, but so far, Crabtree is becoming the man.
by suffrin9erfan on Nov 25, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Im liking what I seeIng from Crabtree this year
Smith seems to be looking for him more often too. My hope is that we see Kyle Williams and Crabtree as the starters by season-end. I think the Edwards experiment should be cancelled.
by njennings on Nov 25, 2011 11:09 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Edwards was fine when he was
Healty at the start of the year it stretched the defenses out. Since he was injured and missed time he hasn’t been worth it.
It was a terrible call
The Ravens are a discipline defense they weren’t going to be fooled on a deep ball by Smith towards the end of the half, case in point on Sunday the same thing happened to Andy Dalton who attempted to go for the end zone and the ball was picked off by Ed Reed.
Now, I could agree with the play call more if it had been for someone other than Braylon Edwards as Edwards has been known for two things drops and not going after the ball. If it had been to Crabtree, Davis, Williams or even Ginn, could see it as a good call as they’d at least make an effort for the ball.
Also, this gets into the argument of taking the points instead of taking the risks. The 49ers were of course going up a great defense and that is why instead of taking a shot at the end zone, Roman should have been calling for some quick passes to either the outside or the middle of the field with the two time outs left.
Should have been going to the half tied, not attempting to take the lead. Hindsight is always 20/20, the 49ers didn’t need that call on that particular play, it wasn’t like the Ravens were going to be caught off guard.
Which, is interesting because when the 49ers lost to the Cowboys there’s a number of fans who believe that Harbaugh did the right thing by taking the points rather than taking the penalty.
agree with the target issue
Should have tried Davis perhaps because of his ability to box out and is faster than Edwards. I would go deep to take a chance and then still be able as you said to get in FG position. Good concept but bad playcall and execution.
by mcwagner on Nov 25, 2011 10:16 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Right call wrong target
I like taking the shot there and a more sure-handed receiver would’ve at least made it an incomplete instead of an interception.
For example VD wouldn’t have let a cb who was nearly a half foot shorter take the ball away from him.
The Play and Braylon
First, to discuss whether the play call was correct or not, in my opinion, I think it wasn’t a bad call but it wasn’t a great call either. With the game being as stagnant as it was (especially for our offense), the 49ers had the perfect opportunity to let one rip before the half (we had the ball coming back to us 2nd half anyways). With that in mind, I think Roman made the right choice to take a jab at the end zone. With that also being said, I don’t think Braylon is the receiver I want running that deep route… Braylon is the slowest of our receivers IMO and should be used much, much more as a 6-8 yard possession receiver.
Regardless of the poor personnel package on the play, Alex’s throw wasn’t his best by any means as well. Too much air under the throw allowed it to really become anyone’s ball and which is why I come back to Braylon. He made zero effort at attempting to catch the ball nor did he even disrupt the defender whom he clearly saw was about to make the catch… Alls he did was wrap his arms ever so softly around the defender’s hips. Dawg, you’re 6’4" 200+lbs, DO SOMETHING!
This play was the right idea, just wrong personnel. Really want to see some more play action TE leaks. And hell, can anyone tell me why we don’t utilize Frank’s ability to catch out in the flats? We could have leaked Frank so many times on those blitzes if Alex could have just read them right… Ravens were burning us with Rice in the flats when we came with any pressure…
agree with you on Frank
What was that one play that happened early on? Alex faked it to Frank, which the defenses saw so they figured he was going to throw it to the other side. Alex ended up waiting for the defense to rush to the other side, which left Frank free, and he did a little toss which gave the Niners a first down.
That was just a short pass, but still, it was a good looking play and it worked really well. Wish they’d do more of that.
Win or lose, at the end of the day I'm just happy to see the Niners play well... Okay, winning is good. I prefer winning.
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I understand the call
You have the opportunity to take a shot at the endzone, go ahead at the half, and get the ball back. If you don’t get it, you have time to kick the tying FG and get the ball back. Unfortunately, the worst outcome happened.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
The play call was fine. execution: not so much
If Alex had thrown it to the far corner or the pylon, either Braylon catches it for the TD or it’s incomplete and then you try for a field goal. it’s a little telling that Alex didn’t realize that was where the ball had to go in that situation and Braylon could have done more to break up the INT attempt instead of just giving up on the play when the ball didn’t go where he was expecting. Even if we got the 3 points there, we still lose the game (but not if Ginn’s TD was allowed).
According to Harbaugh it was a miscommunication/misunderstanding
He said Alex was going for the inside rather than outside.
by suffrin9erfan on Nov 25, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Then It's ALEX's fault then. He called a DUMB PLAY where he should've thrown it on the outside.
Braylon was like “WTF?” when that throw was made which is why he didn’t try to do anything until it was too late to break up the INT. He was probably thinking : “Mark Sanchez never made STUPID Decisions like THAT.”
I hope that was sarcasm font.
And not a general lack of football acumen.
At the time I thought it was on Braylon and I feel the same now
I liked the call and the throw was effective for a player with the height advantage that Edwards had. He’ been pretty passive the past couple games and he probably has 3 or 4 drops. I don’t think he should get the targets he already gets. They should be split by Crabtree and Davis. Those guys don’t get the ball enough downfield.
It's NOT on Braylon. It's on Alex's poor decision to Throw it on the INSIDE instead of outside.
When you throw it inside, you actually give the opposing CB a CHANCE to get to the ball.
Why do that? Had he tossed it toward the Outside, then only one guy will get it and that’s Braylon(or if he doesn’t, the pass is incomplete).
Perfect passes are the exception in this league, not the rule
Braylon has almost half a foot of height and 20+ pounds on that guy and doesn’t even try to fight for the ball.
Oh wait — he does try to pull his hair. Maybe he has a crush.
Very funny....not.
So throwing the ball to the OUTSIDE is considered a “Perfect Pass”?
Gee….I wonder what color is the sky in your world….
it was COMMON SENSE to throw the ball toward the outside. Alex showed that he had none at that moment. Miscommunication, my ass.
There was more then enough flight time to adjust for any frigging thing.
You just do not know what you are talking about. At all. End of story.
Well first learn to read
“Perfect passes are the exception in this league, not the rule”
It wasn’t a perfect pass. Round up all the touchdown throws from last weekend and I’ll find you maybe 5 perfect passes. The rest were either adjustments or athletes just going for the ball.
There is no such thing as “common sense” when it comes to football. You have this mind-set that the QB can choose the cubic inch in space where the ball will intercept the receiver and just place it there. They can’t, especially on throws that long. You try enough times, and yes, you’ll get a perfect one out of luck but the majority are going to be off in one way or the other. This isn’t Madden.
And if you are trying to squeeze a 40 yard throw against the side line in the end zone you are going to throw it out of bounds 75% of the time. The angle, the route, and the velocity you have to put on the ball dictates that.
But the worst part isn’t that Braylon doesn’t tackle the guy as he goes for the pick — the worst part is Braylon is running a deep route and he lets Webb go from his back pocket to his front pocket. That is probably the worst thing you can ever possibly do as a receiver.
Play was on both Braylon and Alex
Alex could of thrown a better ball and Braylon could of made a better effort to make it incomplete at least. Braylon still doesnt seem a 100% but Either way i didnt mind the call.
Although i do think this gave huge momentum for the Ravens. If we had got at least 3 points before the half the momentum could of been in our favor and gave us more confidence. With getting the ball at half it could of turned things in our way and put the game in our control. We have seen the 49ers give teams last second scores before half and make the game closer then it is.
Either way the 9 sacks against were horrible. On a short week/travel time we were still in it there in the 4th qtr even with all the sacks against. Cant win them all, time to rest up and prepare for the rams.
Re: Ginn
Is it just me, or has every Ginn catch this season been him ripping balls out of defenders, laying out for passes, etc? However, throw him a perfect spiral right in the numbers, and he gets butter fingers?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Its because he hears footsteps and is afraid getting blindsided
Almost every catch he makes is when he knows where the defender is and can focus on making the catch. When his back is turned from the defender and he is expecting the hit, he gets complacent and drops it.
The defender had inside position.
That ball is always supposed to be thrown to the outside. That was on Alex, unless you argue that Edwards should have interfered. I’m fine with the call. At some point field goals don’t cut it..
"Everyone has a plan ’till they get punched in the mouth".- Mike Tyson
Manage THIS....
Yeah. I mean many here are upset with Edwards calling him a bust all because he failed to BAIL OUT Alex with his crappy throw from a crappy decision NOT to toss it to the outside.
STOP BLAMING EDWARDS FOR ALEX’S FAILURES!
Edwards shouldn’t have to be fighting to break up an INT in the first place regardless. That should’ve been a TD(or at least at the 1-or-2 yard line) if Alex did his job and threw it where it was SUPPOSED to be thrown.
We are blaming Edwards for Edward's failures.
Open your eyes.
That was a great call!!!!
Are u kidding me if they connected it would of put us up by 4 going into the half. The O-Line couldn’t block my 8 year old last night. 9 sacks 11 hits on and on….Alex did a good job considering he had 2 seconds per play to throw the ball. Plus the refs sucked all night: Touchdown takenway (7points) int taken away (3points) thats 10 points of fuck ups by the refs. Also it was a short week and we had to travel, which the East coast should travel West for short weeks b/c it’s a lot easier for them to adjust to the time zone difference. Our O-Line was just blowing assigments all night. All in All for a short week playing a GREAT team we hung in their I think if Jim had 7 days to plan and to teach we would have won the game. Are D played one hell of a game good job D and the offense just couldn’t get anything going we should have ran the ball more. Ginn needs to stick with Special Teams b/c on easy catch balls he just cant catch the ball b/che wants to turn up field and run before he has the ball. GREAT GAME 2 of 3 phases were working for us and they had all 3 phases working for them.
Chris Culliver
I think he was the shinning star of the secondary last night. What a great pass breakup he had. Carlos played avg, but we made Joe F. look like Joe Montana last night. He picked us apart all night but are D did stiffen up in the red zone and prevent touchdowns.
What this game means
It means that we have a great chance of making it the Championship game but if we play GB are secondary will get torched by Rogers. We didnt get alot of pressure on Joe F and GB doesn’t relay on their run game like Ravens do and they beat us by throwing the ball. I hope we get some better play by our secondary the next 5 games and we need to get our offense rolling the next 2 games before Steelers come to town and we will have 7 days to game plan for them so we will see what the difference is for Jim to get ready for a playoff team.
Did Flacco really torch us?
Flacco had 161 yards passing. If anything, the Ravens executed the Niner-style offense better than the Niners did. Still doesn’t pull me away from thinking the Niners D can contain (not necessarily stop) the GB offense.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Nov 25, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Can anyone think about how important the off season is now? We didn't have Braylon then, ok?
Enough said above! I can't believe the "t-raiders" are going to play in OUR stadium! Bastards!
by 23mjheart on Nov 25, 2011 11:19 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Uh dude....How has Crabs played? If the Braylon acquisition has done anything....
…is it has lit a fire under Crabs ass.
It didn't even do that
Crabs really didn’t do much of anything until well into the season. Morgan was our best receiver.
Good call at that point in the game
The throw was low and short, should have gone up and over (not sure the back shoulder was there bc it looked like Braylon was looking for a jump ball.
This one is on Alex for the under throw and on Braylon for not fighting harder
This one moreso on Alex since Braylon should not have to be fighting to prevent an INT.
I bet he was thinking “Mark Sanchez never made a horrid throw like this when he threw to me”.
I can imagine he was having Cleveland Flashbacks there….
can’t throw that pass in a place where it is intercepted. that’s high and on the outside. it was a bad throw.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 25, 2011 11:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Thought before
and still think that was on Braylon Edwards. Sure Alex could’ve placed the ball in a better spot, but for one it looked like Braylon could have broken that route off and sat in the soft spot of the defense which would have been a huge gain. Also, Braylon has to give some effort to knock that thing down when he realized it wasn’t going to his back shoulder like he may have thought. I mean any effort would have prevented that crucial turnover
bad throw.
and the corner had perfect position for the pick. ball was under thrown and too far inside. Height means nothing on throws like these. I do agree that it should have been thrown to Braylon, he was the only one in single coverage, but they were playing for a deep pass clearly by the quick hip turns by the secondary
Braylon had more then enough time to adjust to that throw.
With its flight time, I can’t tell what was the expected position for Edwards.
when a corner is in position, and has the best flight to the ball,
game over. The only argument to be made is that Braylon should have mugged him.
by itsAteamGAME on Nov 25, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Braylon did get boxed out
But I do think he had time to adjust. I’m not expecting him to cut under and grab the ball for a pass, but at least play DB or, like you said, mug the guy.
Braylon shouldn't have to be put in that position in the first place if Alex could throw the damn ball where it's supposed to go in that situation.
Had he done so, the Niners would’ve been up by 4 at Half with them getting the ball back in the 2nd Half(and if things developed the same) and adding another FG, they would’ve been leading by a TD(7 points).
Would’ve been a whole different game….
See now you sound like the QB needs to coddle every player on the field
Situations like that come up, and it isn’t asking much to see effort from the receiver. If he made an effort and didn’t manage to prevent the interception, I wouldn’t complain. But he just ran next to the guy as if nothing happened.
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haha watching the video, Braylon actually pulled web's hair to keep him close.
I do still believe Braylon should not be playing so much right now, were really missing Morgan right about now…
lool
ahaha i saw that happen live when they showed the replay. i literally lol’d.
I think he thought that ball was going way inside and tried to keep Web close to him..
…in an attempt to let the ball fall harmlessly for an incompletion.
Time for Colin Kaepernick.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 25, 2011 12:06 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
who threw the int?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 25, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
You must have enjoyed the last 8 years of losing.
Jim Harbaugh AND Alex Smith are our future!
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you mean the last six years, no i have not.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 25, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Kaepernick isn't going to see playing time
anytime soon
should not be the case
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 25, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Actually
once the 49ers lock up a playoff spot I have no problems with CK getting the start or at least the majority of the snaps.
It’s not time for him to play now, not by any means.
seatle will clinch the playoffs for us anyways; lol. I hope kaepernick sees some playing time.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 25, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
hi
how was your thanksgiving?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 25, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
pretty good
mother in law cooks a great turkey. this year she bought some free range turkey for the first time and it was a huge difference.
free range; does that mean the turkey can run around?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 25, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
was there more fat on it?
fat makes it taste better,
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 1:39 AM PST up reply actions
you never know
Never underestimate the QB debate here.
by David Fucillo on Nov 25, 2011 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
Wise words. lol.
Honesty, we could have the second coming of Joe Montana and I doubt the QB debate would be fully quenched.
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really? alex smith the second coming of joe montana?
wow…………………………………….
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 1:38 AM PST up reply actions
seriously?
This is the problem in this whole debate. People make inaccurate assumptions. His comment NEVER said Alex Smith was the second coming of Joe Montana. He said a QB could be the second coming of Joe Montana and we would probably still have the crazy debate. He did NOT say Alex Smith was the second coming of Joe Montana. Please try and get it straight before replying.
by David Fucillo on Nov 26, 2011 1:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
really?
yes, really. making that statement implies it and that poster made that argument. do not harp on me for calling it out.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 1:53 AM PST up reply actions
it doesn't imply it
The point of the whole comment is that people would be debating this comment even if the second coming of Joe Montana were on the field. The if makes it a hypothetical. It does not imply anything other than the fact that people will debate the QB position till the end of days no matter who is back there.
by David Fucillo on Nov 26, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
sorry I do not see it that way.
yes, it was a hyperbole statement. But the way I read it is that it bring Joe Montana into the same light as Alex Smith. The two should never be in the same sentence when comparing quarterbacks. One qb has consistently struggled through almost seven years of pro play while the other is widely considered to be the best qb ever of all time. QB is always the most controversial subject in the NFL; even with Steve Young and Jeff Qarcia there was qb controversy but for different reasons.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
I guess we'll just have to disagree
I don’t understand how you’re seeing it that way, so we can’t really do much more.
by David Fucillo on Nov 26, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
misunderstandings happen when fallacies are used, so we can agree to disagree.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
What you're "calling out" is your own delusional interpretation of what he said.
Which, by the way, is how nobody in their right mind would ever interpret what he said as.
The fact you spent even longer trying to justify it makes you look like a fool.
RIP Dinger
by fanoftheunderdogs on Nov 27, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Wtf?
That wasn’t what I was saying at all. I’m not even sure Alex is as good as Garcia yet. I was saying hypothetically the next coming of Joe Montana could come around and people would still argue.
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by Effage on Nov 26, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s what I said. “Up to this point.” However, I think Smith is evolving and could become as good as Garcia. A different player, but equally effective. But yes, I would take Garcia over Smith right now without hesitation. At least… 49ers-era Garcia.
Btw, Garcia is one of my favorite all-time players. I just love watching him play football.
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I would take Garcia right now over Alex Smith. It was sad to see Garcia play in a raiders uniform the last time he will play at candlestick.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
no, own your comment.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I owned it just fine. You're just not paying attention.
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i am very well paying attention.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
no.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 1:38 AM PST up reply actions
It wasn't a very costly turnover
Blame seems to be a split. Smith obviously should have thrown the ball outside, but Edwards made zero effort or adjustment on the ball. One of my football pet peeves is when a receiver doesn’t turn into a defensive back in those situations.
I also agreed with the call, Fooch. It is worth the gamble, especially given there wasn’t much time left on the clock. Deep shots to the endzone, even ending in interceptions, are usually worth the try. Deep ball interceptions in general aren’t a big deal. Worst case scenario is its essentially a punt. Best case scenario is a big play touchdown. Not all interceptions are created equal. This was just a matter of two players not executing on one given play, and a defender guarding off the receiver making a nice play on the ball.
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It wasn't a costly turnover?
I have to question what you were watching then? Points are important and you can’t be giving those up at the end of the half it was a ridiculous play call and it made absolutely no sense considering the way Edwards has played since coming back from his knee injury.
The 49ers should have attempted to get into better field goal range and to allow Akers the opportunity to tie the game up going into the half and with the score tied that could have built the momentum for the 49ers and given themselves the opportunity to take a lead.
With the way the game was being played the risk wasn’t worth it.
No, it wasn't costly.
I find it weak minded to think attacking downfield in single coverage is ever a bad decision. When you have a guy singled up, you expect your guy to make the play or prevent thew defender from making a play. The throw was to the wrong side and the receiver made a poor effort (if any at all). But you have far more to gain if you hit on that play.
And just so you know, tying the game at halftime has never won a game in the history of football. You should be able to overcome losing out on the chance for a long field goal, especially knowing you get the ball to start the 2nd half.
The 49ers got beat down, and that decision had little (or even nothing) to do with it.
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Its a bad decision when Alex is your QB, its the worst pass in his
Arsenal. We could have been up 3 with the ball at half.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
I don't disagree that's Smith's weakness
But he is capable of making the throw (and even on that throw, it still could have been a touchdown with a better WR effort). And also, most plays have a deep option or two, so its mostly up to Smith to make the throw. He’s clearly better on timing-focused deep routes (like the wheel routes that have been hitting more frequently).
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Whatever, the db had him boxed out. If he slows down its still a pick. A lot of passes to Braylon are off anyway.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
"Whatever" is always a great way to start an argument.
I already said Smith didn’t make the throw necessary. Doesn’t mean it was a bad decision or entirely his fault, though.
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Nice to ignore his previous statement.
Let me repeat for you :
“the db had him boxed out. If he slows down its still a pick. A lot of passes to Braylon are off anyway”
Just in case you forgot.
I didn't ignore it
That is easy to address: When a receiver has a 5 inch advantage, it isn’t much to expect him to make a play on the ball, even if just resulting in an incompletion. I never said the pass was a good one (clearly to the wrong shoulder and underthrown)… but I find Edwards’ lack of effort much more inexcusable.
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You are full of alexcuses.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
You are void of productive statements.
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Coming from someone that refuses to acknowledge a certain players performance, Gtfohwtbs…
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
I only refuse to acknowledge erroneous statements. I see the game quite clearly. You on the other hand stick to a severe bias of dislike and refuse to budge from said bias.
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haha
the word “erroneous” always reminds me of Liar Liar. The pen is blue!
by itsAteamGAME on Nov 25, 2011 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
Let me help out this discussion.
Alex made 3 bad throws and two great throws. He was slow and soft getting it out to Ginn, he was off Target on the pass to Braylon and one to Gore. He was phenomenal when he shook off Ngata and the 3rd and 17 to Crabtree was a sensation. Now, I will not waiver from my opinion of him lacking in several areas, in which I feel hinders everyone around him. If your qb is not accurate down the sideline ill keep one safety back, if he doesn’t pump fake, my zones and zone blitzing will appear imperial. If I can stop Gore and make him beat me, odds are I’ll get a win vs that team. My blitzing will be constant, bwcause he can’t make me pay on the deep ball. It’s simple to me, its not bias.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
Ok, we agree more now
I wish you would post with more in depth opinions like this one. Much easier to discuss.
I think you’re a bit harsh on Smith, but you have a fair analysis on this one.
Yeah, Smith seems very hit and miss on those deep sideline throws. Sometimes he nails them beautifully (some of which get dropped), and other times it just isn’t where it needs to be. But I’m okay with that. Passes downfield on the sideline are some of the lowest percentage throws. If you hit on one or two a game, that’s enough to impact the defense.
Smith never used to pump fake, but he pumps far more frequently this year. It is clearly being coached for him to do.
I disagree in the sense you’re following the traditional logic around the NFL. The Giants stopped the 49ers running game and Smith DID beat them. I understand that is your approach, but I’m not of the opinion that means you will win. I see Smith evolving.
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lol
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
It was a costly turnover
cost the 49ers a chance at 3 points. Was it a bad play call? I don’t think so.
Fair enough.
I still disagree that losing a chance at a 52 yard field goal at the half is considered “costly.” Could it have helped? Sure. But its worth a shot when you can take the lead knowing you have the ball starting the next half.
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See, to me that makes no sense.
They didn’t lose by 3, they lost by 10. In other words, a lot more went on that was considerably more costly. Chop block, PI on interception (those two plays essentially being a 10 point swing), poor 4th quarter defense (giving up the final FG)… I call those costly. Maybe we’re just splitting hairs here. I find the INT acceptable. I expect the team to be able to overcome that against any opponent in any type of game.
I guess we agree the decision wasn’t necessarily bad, but we seem to disagree on the effect it had on the game. I just won’t call that “costly.” Maybe a lost opportunity. But I won’t go so far as to call it costly when it was all lined up to be a touchdown (single coverage with the WR having a 5 inch height advantage over the DB). It just wasn’t executed. Costly? Philisophically, I don’t think so. The Ravens won in great part due to scoring a touchdown. The 49ers had a great shot at one.
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3 points is 30% of the total points that the team scored
a single play that results in a 30% drop in offensive productivity can’t be anything other than costly.
Scoring is not equal to offensive productivity.
You can drive 99 yards down the field and have a freak turnover at the one yard line, but that that was 99 yards of offensive productivity regardless.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Nov 25, 2011 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Again...
With that measurement as a guide, a touchdown there would have been more than 100% of the offensive productivity. It was fully worth it and the loss was not very costly. And on the basis the 49ers avg in the mid 20’s per game in points and the Ravens give up 16 points per game, the team should expect to score 16 or more.
The fact they ended up with 6 (which leads to your “30%”) is besides the point, because we’re talking about the 2nd quarter. Your expectation should be to score a touchdown at some point in the game. The way you seem to be looking at it is in full-on hindsight (i.e. “the Ravens scored 10 more points therefor the field goal was costly”) rather than in the context of the moment, which was a 3 point game with the current and next possessions guaranteed for the 49ers. Even with the interception, you’re looking at the next possession with chance to take the lead or tie. Context.
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Fitz catches that pass
C. Johnson catches that pass. Crabtree at least breaks up that pass. And thats what irritated me most!
by njennings on Nov 25, 2011 12:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions
OH GIVE ME A BREAK!!! HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW IF THEY CATCH THAT PASS??
I just love this type of Ms.Cleo/Nostradamus-style armchair-qb’ing by most here on the What-if’s and What-would’ve-happen’s here.
Braylon got made to look like a little punk
By a guy half his size. He gave up inside position halfway into the route, letting the corner move from his hip pocket to his front pocket. He might as well have stopped mid route and sat down on the field right there if he wasn’t going to try to make a play on the ball.
And since you can’t argue that CJ gets punked by a guys half his size, you instead resort to your caps lock key and sarcasm because you’d rather demand a perfect pass every pass despite that level of play being unattainable by even the Manning / Brady / Rogers crowd. But what those elite QBs do have is receivers that are willing to go fight for a ball even if they are outmatched.
Again I ask : A "Perfect Pass" is a pass High and Outside???
C’mon, Ougadas…..
Alex did NOT make the correct decision there.
Doesn’t matter what happened afterward. The FACT….yes, FACT….remained is that had Alex thrown it High and Outside to Braylon, it would either be a TOUCHDOWN, 1ST AND GOAL, OR(at worst) AN INCOMPLETE PASS.
And if you can’t see that and you continue to believe that I’m saying Alex should throw “Perfect Passes”, then I don’t know what else to say to you except just to shake my head in disbelief that you still do not understand…
No, I understand your position perfectly
I just think it does not accurately describe what happened on that play and you are making faulty assumptions that this is a throw that you can place accurately with any consistency. Further, that you are neglecting the reality that playing wide receiver in this league means going up for every pass whether it is on the money or not. That’s why you don’t give up position to men half your size.
Oh come on.
I’m not even an NFL player but I’d make a better effort at breaking up that pass. That doesn’t mean I would have succeeded, but I don’t tolerate lack of effort like we saw from Edwards.
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This is on Smith the pass was horrible as was the pass to ginn on that bogus penalty. Smith should not be re-signed. Although I blame most of this game on the OC.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
The same people
that always say you can’t crucify Alex for one play seem to be crucifying Braylon for one play. I dont see how one bad play should make people hate him or completely throw out the possibility of resigning him.
still seems like too small of a sample size, my point being that Alex has had a couple bad games before but he gets defended no matter what but Braylon has a couple bad games and people are ready to bench him
Anyone that has watched Edwards over the years has plenty a sample size to know he has butter fingers.
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Keyword: Surprisingly.
And he can’t hold on to a damn thing as a 49er.
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Keywords : KNEE-JERK REACTION
That’s what it seems like many here are doing.
Braylon was key in the JETS getting to the AFC Championship Game the Past two seasons.
When the FO idiotically did not re-sign him, how are the Jets doing now?
5-5 and on the verge of being knocked out of the postseason basically.
I would give him a chance.
Many people knee jerk react
I’m not one of them. I’ve seen Edwards play many, many times. And while he does have big-play ability, I have always shaken my head at his terrible hands. And with his big play ability all but gone with the knee injury, he is essentially useless right now.
Personally, I have nothing against him. I want to see him get healthy and start tearing things up like I know he can. But right now he shouldn’t even be playing.
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Alexs bad passes week after week doesnt warrant that treatment for him?
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
Exactly
and I’m not a “Alex hater” as they say, he’s no Brady or Rodgers but I do think he’s been more than servicable this year. It just seems that some people will defend him no matter what the circumstance and others will say he is terrible no matter the situation.
I've got no problem putting blame on Alex Smith when it's really his fault
I just hate when people blame him when it’s either A.) Not his fault or B.) put the blame for an entire game on his shoulder.
The throw by Alex wasn’t a super great throw but Edwards didn’t put any effort into it either.
Wasn’t a super great throw? No it was more horrific like than any thing.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
I think you do have a problem putting blame on him
It was a bad throw, none of this “wasn’t a super great throw” that is sugar coating it. I think if tebow makes this throw everyone is saying how bad a quarterback he is
I wouldn’t say it was a bad throw, and that has nothing to do with Smith throwing it. It wasn’t a very good throw, but it was certainly catchable. You think Jerry Rice lets that ball into the DBs hands? People forget Jerry bailed out Joe and Steve many, many times.
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Miscommunication
I would like to understand this better. Besides Harbaugh’s ambivalent comment quoted above, Alex said, according to the Chronicle, “As I let it go, he goes outside, and all the sudden, he’s outside with the DB inside. Miscommunication. It costs us.”
A slightly different version appeared in Matt Barrows’s blog:
“We liked the matchup that we had,” Smith said. “Braylon was one-on-one with the defensive back. We just had some missed communication. I left the ball inside and he went outside.”
Said Jim Harbaugh: “We were taking a shot. We were more hoping for the back shoulder. Alex saw Braylon inside the corner and he threw it and it was an unfortunate play. I don’t know exactly who was right, but Webb made a good play. That happens. You try to take a shot, and we didn’t get it.”
How are the QB and receiver expected to “communicate” on such a play? Telepathy? A signal? Is the QB supposed to know how a specific receiver will respond in a given circumstance? Or is the play designed with a particular ball placement (and someone forgot it in this case, as Harbaugh seems to imply)?
Finally, if Harbaugh doesn’t know who was right, does that suggest that the play design is Roman’s responsibility and Harbaugh isn’t clear on the details? Or that it’s up to Smith and Edwards to figure it out?
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Yeah
Personally, I would think Smith & Edwards need to work that one out more than anything.
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lol
That would be an interesting one.
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Well...
Maybe Alex Smith misunderstood Edwards’ route, or Edwards misunderstood the route he was supposed to take.
That’s an issue with timing and familiarity.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Nov 25, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
EXACTLY. Which is why I say that everyone needs to STOP KNEE-JERKING about Edwards.
People…We are 9-2 and will kick the Lambs’ ass next weekend.
Braylon will get better but the thing is(and if I’m Harbaugh, I do this) to get Braylon MORE INVOLVED in the offense. The Rams game is the perfect game for that.
Someone said that Braylon is a 6-8 yard Possession receiver. I agree. He reminds me of a taller, stronger Keyshawn Johnson and should be treated as such.
He can go the deep route OCCASIONALLY(even with the Jets we never went deep that often unless it was playaction.
Throw those 6-8 yarders to him, then let him break a tackle(he’s strong enough to do it) and turn 6-8 yarders into 12-16 yarders or better.
I agree people need to calm down
But I want to see Edwards sidelined until he is healthy. The knee seems to be effecting more than his athleticism. When he is healthy, yes, he should be a primary target.
Also, you have to have good hands to be a possession receiver, and he is very inconsistent with catching the ball. Also, he is more explosive (when healthy) than people give him credit for.
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The play should have gone outside
I can’t imagine Roman calling a play that would give the Corner an easy shot at the ball and it makes perfect sense to put your 6’2"" receiver between the CB and the ball so he is the only person who is able to make a play on it. I think Alex for some reason thought Braylon was cutting to the inside and so threw it there.
That could also be a reason : Alex had a brain-fart.
And the reason Braylon made no effort was that he was too shocked at the throw, he was just in awe of the stupidity of Alex’s decision…
Yeah
Alex’s description was that he saw Edwards break inside on a “go” route, but right as he threw it Edwards broke outside on more of a fade. They just didn’t see things the same and it cost them the play. That can be ironed out.
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I still don't blame Alex for that throw
I don’t know what the route or throw was suppose to be, but I watched that play again and when Braylon comes off the line, he has the inside leverage on the DB but drifts to the outside. Alex releases the ball about the time when Braylon moves from the inside to the outsides. Again, I don’t know if the play or route was designed for the outside, but just based on Braylon’s positioning at the time when Alex released, the ball was Meant to be thrown inside. Not to mention every WR on the team fights for that ball in that situation except Edwards. He is definitely more to blame.
Ever think that Braylon was trying to FAKE the Opposing CB out first?
Plus, what that sounds like(what you stated) is Alex did not WAIT long enough for the play to develop ‘cause otherwise he would’ve seen Braylon cut to the outside.
I think Alex is to blame for being impatient….although having the o-line play like ass didn’t help either.
Good point about the fake out
But I’m not sure Smith has the arm strength to wait any longer on that route. His deep balls need to be on timing and anticipation more than waiting for the play to develop.
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I agree that the pass should’ve gone to the outside because if u take a shot @ the endzone against a solid defense you don’t want to leave the chance for what occured, you want to make sure either the ball is caught, batted away or simply its called out of bounds. However, Alex has gone inside on a similar play to Davis & Davis haul it in. I just think Edwards just hasn’t been able to practice & play & there is no continuity. In preseason they were getting to know each’s tendancy’s & it was working, once Edwards got injured, he was totally taken out of his rhythm, & it seems he’s played with no swagger since. Therefore, @ this point he should just ride the pine, get healthy & watch some video while he heals & regains confidence. I feel next year he’s gone regardless because he’s not a good fit, see him a better fit with the Vikings.
by HAZAD365 on Nov 25, 2011 7:08 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Just because Davis made the play doesn't mean the danger of it being picked never existed.
The reason you throw the ball outside is : COMMON SENSE.
Why Alex would think that Braylon was going inside is beyond me.
Why the hell should he? It was a ridiculous decision to throw it there....I'm sure Braylon was just stunned like a "WTF?" when that ball was heading inside.
I think he might’ve had Cleveland flashbacks there.
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