49ers Two Losses, Neither Because of QB Alex Smith
Thanksgiving did not exactly end the way I had hoped, but the San Francisco 49ers (9-2) still stand tall as one of the elite teams in the NFL; this loss doesn't change that. Considering the circumstances, winning 9 out of 11 games is still impressive for a team that won only 6 games all of last year. What has really stood out to me about the two losses was that Alex Smith wasn't at fault.
The 49ers quarterback kept the game close in both contests against the Dallas Cowboys in week 2 and the Baltimore Ravens in week 12.
vs. Cowboys:
This loss even seemed like Smith's coming out party, with a perfect touchdown throw to Kyle Williams in the end zone giving the 49ers a 14-0 lead. And after the Cowboys had tied it up at 14, Alex Smith comes through and delivers again on a touchdown to Delanie Walker to recapture the lead.Smith found the mismatch, exploited it and came through for the team. Unfortunately, the defense couldn't hold up against the Cowboys passing attack, no matter who was behind center. Smith finished the game with a 66.7 completion % and a 99.1 quarterback rating.
vs. Ravens:
Even though Smith finished with his second worst passer rating this season (61.1), the Ted Ginn Jr. touchdown that was called back changes that number drastically. Like Jim Harbaugh said, the luck just wasn't with them that night. The referees made some questionable calls but San Francisco couldn't do enough to overcome them.When Smith was upright, which was rarely, he managed to have a 62.5 completion %, which isn't as horrible one who witnessed Thursday's game would have thought. I was also not ready to blame Smith because some of the play calling threw me for a loop. It was sort of a surprise to me that Harbaugh and Greg Roman didn't have a creative screen to a tight end in their back pocket.
I would have loved to have seen a tight end throwback screen or an attempt to get Kendall Hunter out in space. I believe Smith did what he could with what he had at the time but the game remained close, the whole time -- the 49ers were always just one gamebreaking play away from taking over. It just never came.
Also, the fact the Smith was brought down 9 times by Ravens defenders and never lost a fumble is stunning. He took a punishment, but never coughed up the football. And his interception was justified given the game situation; Smith wanted to take a shot downfield and give his big receiver a chance to reel one in before halftime.
It appears that win or lose, Smith will keep his team in the ball game. Against Dallas, the problem seemed to be the secondary and against Baltimore, it was mostly injury and the offensive line. I believe if Adam Snyder and Bruce Miller were healthy and starting, it would have been a different game.
The week after the loss to Dallas, the San Francisco 49ers went on an 8-game win streak. I think it's fair to assume Harbaugh will find a way to turn this most recent loss into a positive for the 49ers going forward. With 5 more regular season games left, the 49ers will look to finish strong and it starts next week against the St. Louis Rams.
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Great write up, but it should be unnecessary, it is never one plastered fault for a loss, unless its lost or won on one play. However, you have to call a spade a spade and Alex cannot be an elite qb.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
by rlott#42 on Nov 25, 2011 4:12 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Rodgers wouldnt be elite
Either if his o line was nonexistant. Be realistic. Alex did bettee than I could have hoped given the situation.
by Splitzher9 on Nov 25, 2011 5:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The kind of responses above you are an illustration of how incredibly ignorant to the game of football our fanbase is
and why the Alex “apologists” get so vehement in our arguments
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
and in your case in particular
so caustic about so many fellow 49ers fans you appear to regard as unworthy.
"One game at a time. Let's just keep it rolling." Justin Smith
Most are. I want a knowledgable fanbase.
Because we don’t have one they feel fit to boo our QB when he has a line that is the football equivalent of a sieve.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
Rodgers gets the ball put and has ridiculous weapons. His oline is not good.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
by rlott#42 on Nov 25, 2011 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't like Romo but...
He had just as much pressure on Thursday, but still made plays under that pressure. Alex has been very good this year, but once he gets rattled, he just tucks it down and gives up the sacks. Roman needs to roll him out more to buy time.
by wtlichens on Nov 25, 2011 7:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely not. No QB can evade unblocked rushers. The reason Alex didn’t fumble the ball 5 times against the Ravens is precisely because he was tucking the ball away.
If he had of lost a fumble or two, I’m positive you would be one here commenting about how he should have tucked the ball away and not tried to do too much.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Nov 25, 2011 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Especially when they are coming unblocked through the middle. At least on the outside the QB can step up and pass
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
If there is at least some contact made
A complete whiff is gonna result in the QB getting blown up from any position.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
Romo makes plays...
When they are down against a team they should beat (see Niners and Dolphins games). He can make those ridiculous Romo plays bc he doenst have the pressure of winning a game outright. Obviously he has won some great games for them again good teams, however he has always had elite ability but average winning ability. Consistency is his issue, which I hope Harbaugh can continue to develop Alex in.
Romo has ridiculous things go his way also. Somehow he's the luckiest QB on Earth while still being the biggest choker
The pass to Witten where he tackled the cheerleader this weekend as an example.
It wasn’t quite the Robert Griffen pass against Oklahoma that got tipped twice and skipped 20 yards off the safety’s hands to a guy running free down the field… But not too far off
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 1:06 AM PST up reply actions
"Average winning ability"
Wow…you don’t actually think that’s a real thing, do you?
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 26, 2011 4:45 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry
That came off as way more condescending than I originally intended. Still, “winning ability” is a rather silly phrase.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 26, 2011 4:47 AM PST up reply actions
His O-Line when healthy has a pro bowl caliber LT
A pro bowl caliber RG in Sitton and Bulaga who’s proven to be 10X the pass protector of Anthony Davis.
The Packer’s backups are as good as our starters
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
You know I can be just as good of a blocker as Bulaga
all I have to do is tackle the person who I’m going up against.
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Impressively ignorant
Rogers has been sacked three fewer times than Smith in 2011, and that only after last night’s fiasco. GB is tied for 23rd in yards per rush. We’re tied for 15th. Are their backups also better than their starters?
Heavens, but they’ve got those two amazing pro-bowlers that make me weak in the knees! Yeah, those were the same two starting for that 2009 line wherein Rogers took more sacks than any qb in football. Tells you all you need to know about the meaningfulness of a trip to the pro bowl.
Speaking of which, being that we all know Smith would be at least as good as Rogers if it weren’t for his far superior line, coaching and supporting cast, [etc., insert favored Smithscuse here], I guess you’d have to figure that Rogers’ numbers that year would’ve been diabolical, right?
Surprise surprise, you’d be wrong with authority worthy of Dominque Wilkens: 64.7% cmp, 4,434 yds, 8.2ypa, 30/7, 103.2 rate. Looking through the game log from that year I came across a midseason game against the Vikings where Rogers was sacked six times. His line from that game? A decidedly un-Smithlike 63.4% cmp, 287yds, 7.0 ypa, 3/0, 108.5 rate.
I’m sure it’s too much to ask for Smith fantasists to contemplate what that stat line (let alone Montana’s Picasso against the Philly Fearsome Foursome in 1990) suggests for the reasonableness of always laying all blame for Smith’s poor play at the feet of the line, receivers, coaches, etc. while reserving all credit for him when the team actually generates some passing offense, so I won’t bother to ask it.
Suffice it to say, Aaron Rogers remains heads shoulders knees toes and a few million light years better than Alex Smith, and most other quarterbacks for that matter, circumstances be damned. So for pity’s sake, please drop this nonsense.
It’s really no surprise at this point that Smith handles his poor performances much more gracefully than his oddly obsessive cheerleaders. He said the right things after last night. Let’s hope the team can come out the stronger for it
by BKisforSF on Nov 25, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Rodgers also holds the ball much longer than Alex Smith. It's no surprise he takes sacks when he gets tons of time to make plays.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
Its not just the number of sacks which simple fans like you don't understand
it’s what a significant difference the extra 1.5 seconds of protection Rodgers gets before he gets sacked makes.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
It's not just the number of sacks a lineman gives up that slowcoach fans like u don't understand
It’s whether your quarterback can make quick decisions and get rid of the ball quickly and accurately when they need to. And while It’s clear you had to dig deep for that un-sourced Rodgers factoid- full blown grande latte enema no doubt- my lying eyes and the stats have been telling a different story. Like on Thursday when Suh beat his man at the snap and managed to take a step into the pocket before Rodgers lofted a perfect touch pass against tight coverage to Finley for a thirty something yard gain. As someone else pointed out below, Rogers has gotten the ball out very quickly this year, mostly because he is gifted with one of the quickest releases in the game, can make every possible throw, regardless of the degree of difficulty, with absurdly pinpoint accuracy, and knows exactly how to attack defenses. Comparing this to Smith is like comparing lightning and a lightning bug, but sometimes fans get so emotionally invested in their favorite players they can’t see anything for their unrequited love.
As I pointed out, you don’t have to go to Rogers to see NFL qb’s that have succeeded famously against defenses that were bringing extraordinary pressure. The best game I ever saw played by a quarterback was a 1990 game against the Eagles where every play was a jailbreak, and yet Montana made throw after throw to win the game. There are myriad others, notable and otherwise. Marino’s victory against perhaps the best defense of all time, the 85 Bears, comes to mind.
The loss to the Ravens was not all on Smith. But hips performance was part of the problem, from bad throws to when he held the ball too long and took sacks, as coach Harbaugh has said. And all the love that burns deep within your soul for the man doesn’t change that fact.
by BKisforSF on Nov 26, 2011 6:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Its not unsourced but I know I can never dig up a stat that Sando posted in 2009
When he compared the amount of time that Alex took on each sack vs Rodgers sacks. Rodgers had a full extra second. And that was in 2009 before Rodgers line took off.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
simple fans like you?
is there a need for that? It makes you look petty and totally takes away from your arguement
It’s no surprise he takes sacks when he gets tons of time to make plays.
That statement completely contradicts itself.
BK’s point is that a very good QB/offense should be able to overcome pressure to some extent. Yes, the Ravens are an elite defense. But we scored 6 points…6!
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 26, 2011 4:54 AM PST up reply actions
Lets keep it real , the Packers brought this kid in the rite way ...
… you can see the evolution from that offense for having been together for the last Three years as a unit that’s had the same system for the last Six years , the Packers play book is light years ahead of the Niners , receivers are all on the same page , attacking the ball , running the great routes , perfect depth in their route running …
IMO Smiths third year in the same Offense may not be Rodgers like , but it will be light years ahead of what it is now …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Rodgers doesnt have a good oline
But he is mobile, can throw on the move, and has multiple elite playmaking receivers.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Nov 25, 2011 8:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That said
As said above, not even Vick avoids unblocked defenders.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Nov 25, 2011 8:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Rogers has 2 pro bowlers on his line
Clifton was selected last year and Josh Sitton was an alternate selected by coaches. Neither went but both got selected. Not to mention Bulaga will probably get selected in the next few years. Rogers has one of the best lines in the NFL. Stop with this nonsense about his line not being good. They have weakness at LG and are average at C but are elite at 3 other positions.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn’t he sacked more than Alex Smith last year?
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
Despite getting significantly more time to pass per play
Of course since I know you don’t actually pay attention to the games I might remind you Alex was injured for several games last year after one of his 1.25 second sacks where Anthony Davis didn’t even slow his guy down.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
Yep
But he’s holding the ball for 7 or 8 seconds to find his throws. Eventually it catches up to him.
Big difference from Alex hitting his drop depth and finding two defenders waiting on him in the backfield.
You have no idea what you are talking about
He has one of the quickest releases in the NFL. He may hold on to the ball for a long time on plays that break down but for e.g. in the Detroit game, he was getting rid of the ball in about 2.16 seconds (http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2011/11/a_second_look_detroit_lions_de_2.html). His release time in most games is around that, if not less.
by LombardiBackToGB on Nov 26, 2011 5:00 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, one game against poor coverage and wide open receivers proves everything
I bow to your Google Fu and admit that I’ve never actually watched a football game. Further, I would like to sign up for your newsletter.
Now run on back to APC before the bandwagon leaves without you.
Just saying your facts are wrong...
its not just one game. If you are having a discussion, wouldnt you at least want to make sure you are factually accurate?
by LombardiBackToGB on Nov 26, 2011 5:49 AM PST up reply actions
Haha
One point five seconds is barely enough time to hit drop depth and definitely not enough time for a receiver to make his release and get to his break. But by all means keep Googling for second hand quotes from clueless beat writers to try to support your weak arse argument. I’m sure the next one will turn up to be less than 1 second.
Those who know, explain. Those who don’t, Google for backup.
And yet coverage teams routinely beat forty some odd yard punts downfield
And drop depth isn’t exactly deep in the shotgun. You might want to think about some of the variables you’re missing there. Then maybe, I don’t know, watch one of his games. That ought to school you.
Yah I don't need schooling
Jacoby Ford holds the record for the fastest 40 time at the NFL combine. His 10 yard split is 1.45 seconds. He ran that in his combine underwear from a track stance with nobody to beat in press coverage or take an inside or outside release against.
None of Rodgers receivers are anywhere near that fast, they aren’t in track stances, they are in full pads, and have coverage to beat. Go look at a route tree — unless you are running a slant or flat every route breaks at 10 to 12 yards and there is a reason for that. It’s time for when a QB has hit his drop depth and set up in the pocket.
If you are only punting 40 yards you are booting a rainbow and likely have a hang time of 5 to 6 seconds. That’s why punting deep can sometimes be dangerous because you out-distance your coverage.
The Googled claim of 1.5 seconds is bullshit. It’s not possible. The claim of an “average 2.16” is getting closer to possible for a single throw but extremely unlikely for an average of all completions unless there is no coverage at all and back into the realm of impossibility once we start including all throws and not just completions.
I’ve watched Rodgers play. He’s good. But he makes mistakes and he didn’t kill a bear when he was only 3 and all of his accomplishments are being blown way out of proportion and exaggerated well beyond the realm of possibility.
I dread having to face that offense, especially if we have to play Reggie for any reason, but I’m getting a little tired of everyone getting down on their knees for the man. He’s not that good.
those who want to know, look it up
those who think they know, need some context to back up their claims. your better than that.
by itsAteamGAME on Nov 26, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
And when you look it up and get a beat writer
You’re no better off than if you just made it up yourself. If you know what you are talking about you don’t need to quote the opinions of others.
I've seen facts that contradict that completely
Sando did a breakdown a couple years ago and Football outsiders did a long sack vs short sack analysis earlier this year. Rodgers gets time.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, he gets time...
but that is not the same as saying he holds the ball too long. For e.g. in the NFC championship game against the Bears last year, he got an average of 4.4 seconds per play, but his average time from snap to release was still around the 2.4 or 2.5 range, if I remember correctly. There was a story in the Chicago Tribune analyzing the lack of pressure from the Bears.
by LombardiBackToGB on Nov 26, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
GB has a decent Oline but they are not elite
Cliffton yes…Bulaga is very much like A.Davis and still developing. Rodgers was getting wrecked in 09 and much of last year for sure, so I’m not ready to label the line elite or great
Check the stats
1 holding, 1 false start and 1 sack (according the stats) so far this year.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 1:06 AM PST up reply actions
agreed
Team game, the team lost. Alex is just one part of the team. He is playing better because the line is playing better, Crabtree is stepping up, the defense is playing better than ever. There could easily he a write up that this was not Carlos Rogers fault. Just no more finger pointing
by mcwagner on Nov 25, 2011 6:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Indeed
Couldn’t agree more. Team loss. Nothing more. Our Niners our giving us, fans, more than we thought they ever would this season. Yet, one loss and half the people here begin Losing faith. I’m happy with where we’re at. Could be better. But no one is perfect. We continue to grow and learn. Yesterday, some players could have done a better job than they did. Next week we will pull another W.
by Splitzher9 on Nov 25, 2011 6:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
another 8 game win streak would
have us raising the Lombardi Trophy for the 6th time!!!
by Frisco_Kid on Nov 25, 2011 4:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
You win some, you lose some
The Niners had a lot going against them. 2 days to prepare for a complicated defense, then get on a plane. If not for those two calls, they could have gone in at halftime leading 17-3. The Ravens are a good team playing at home. I agree Alex did a great job holding on to the ball and not fumbling. Add Chilo and Noran to the mix…. Etc. Not going to go all Singletary, but as good a loss to take as any, IMO.
"Everyone has a plan ’till they get punched in the mouth".- Mike Tyson
Manage THIS....
Umm..
I meant the 2 calls and a little bit better placed ball in the endzone. Still within the realm of reasonable possibility.
"Everyone has a plan ’till they get punched in the mouth".- Mike Tyson
Manage THIS....
I though Norris did a good job....not great , not bad either.
Rachal, will be gone after the year. RG is a priority in the offseason.
by ericalancanty on Nov 25, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
how was it a good job?
he had zero runs and zero catches for zero yards. Gore had a total of 39 yards rushing and the QB was sacked 9 times.
What specifically was good about it?
"It's impossible to hide the fire inside" - Bob Seger
Other than the packers everyone has lost
Its a competetive sport. This team has delivered beyond anything I had hoped for previously and will continue to grow over the next 2 years with this year being chance to make anything happen
One of those 8
in that win streak will have to be at Lambeau in January.
Its great to dream, but that is one tall order.
Alex Smith is a fucking beast
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Nov 25, 2011 4:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
My bad, that was my 2nd or 3rd post
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Nov 25, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
no worries.
In the future I’ll likely hide swearing in short posts like this. Just wanted to clarify the rules.
by David Fucillo on Nov 25, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
I hope we're not at the point
Where we’re slicing up whom to blame the losses on. The team lost these games. Alex missed some plays that would’ve helped win the Dallas game, a missed read in OT plus he threw a huge INT that led to Dallas points. But the team lost. Yesterday, Alex could’ve avoided two coverage sacks by throwing the ball away, and ran into a third when rolling right would’ve netted huge rushing yardage. His INT likely cost the team 3 points. But this stuff happens.
I say this not because Alex is to blame for either (he’s not) but to point out that every player could’ve done more in a loss. In losses as close as these two games where, we’re talking a play or two by any number of guys that would swap the result. No player, including Alex, needs to be protected from criticism.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
blame
The blame game can get obnoxious at times, but figuring out why the team lost is valuable. There’s a thin line between figuring it out and just outright blaming. I think figuring it out involves some measure of trying to explain ways to improve while blaming is just complaining about the problems.
by David Fucillo on Nov 25, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
I was not totally sober and got angry during the game
(How I love thanksgiving…) So, obviously, I thought that some of the calls at the time were lousy.
But in retrospect, how did others feel about the officiating? We definitely lost, and we mostly did it on our own, but it seemed like every close call there went for the Ravens, and against SF.
The Gore/Chilo block negating Ginn, the PI call on Torrey Smith, and the overturned interception all seemed like important calls that weren’t 100% merited.
On the other hand, we lost to a good team on three days rest and too much travel. Not saying we would have won, but I’d like it to have been decided more by the guys in team uniforms, not the zebras.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Nov 26, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
I’d say they lost because they couldn’t stop Baltimore often enough on 3rd downs, missed more tackles than in any game all season, had their one forced turnover discounted due to penalty, and suffered too many sacks. I think most of those can be chalked up to the extremely short week combined with far travel. I don’ think this particular loss deserves too much analysis.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I actually liked that he took a couple of extra sacks...
He wasn’t getting anytime to find an open receiver and make plays. He was constantly shuffling around the pocket. I’m sure he was thinking, I need to do something. I need make a play. Unfortunately, most of those attempts result in sacks. But I’m sure if threw the ball away 20 time, everyone would be pissed he didn’t try to hit some receivers instead just throwing the ball away.
I think we can outright blame the line for both
9 sacks. 9. Not 1 or 2. Or 3 or 4. Or 5. Or 6 or 7. NOT 8. 9. 9 SACKS. 9. The right side of our line should have their hands tied together and be chained to the back of a car driving laps around the stadium parking lot at 8 MPH while barefoot. 9. 9 Sacks. 9.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
A few miles of that should send the sufficient message to Chilo Slow-Brain and Anthony Sloth-Foot
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know how many times I watched Davis just stop playing when Alex would roll left or right and he wouldn't even attempt to pick up another man
At best Davis should be playing guard
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
Performance
was absolutely horrendous. i was disappointed but davis is still young, and when snyder plays beside him, he plays much better. if anything, he was probably trying to make up for chilos play and it was likely too much for him
by Dylan DeSimone on Nov 25, 2011 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
It was the first time he's played an elite speed rusher since Babin ate him alive
I think that has a lot more to do with it.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
Yea, no elite speed rushers on the Giants.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
I know this has nothing to do with the comment thread but didn't Bulaga go up against the same person Davis went up against?
and didn’t he get like 3 holding penalties?
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Nope through 9 games he had 1 false start and 1 holding
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=23998&team=9
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 12:38 AM PST up reply actions
Davis has been called for 5 penalties for 35 yards
2 false starts, zero holds and has given up 7.5 sacks. (And I’m pretty sure that 7.5 is being kind)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
They also say Chilo has only been responsible for 1 sack... So I'm sure they are erring on the players side
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
1 last one
GB Packers – 365 passing attempts – 42 QB hits, 27 sacks
SF 49ers – 301 passing attempts – 55 QB hits, 30 sacks
The large difference in QB hits vs close number of sacks shows you that Alex has to get the ball out much faster because he’s under pressure much more often.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
How did you feel about the officiating?
Because I agree with you that the right side of our line played lousy, and I know the Ravens could win that game on their own, but it seemed like EVERY big, judgment call type penatl went in BAL’s favor, and against us.
Not saying we would have won otherwise, but still…
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Nov 26, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
There were only 2 major penalties that stick in my head
and that sucks but it’s life. They didn’t hand the game to the Ravens like the officials for Packers-Lions did.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Coach would disagree with you
—The 49ers allowed nine sacks in the game. Harbaugh said three of the sacks came on plays in which the Ravens had the right blitz on to beat the 49ers’ protection. He said three times his linemen got beaten physically, and at least a couple others could’ve been avoided if Alex Smith had “gotten the ball out quicker.”
From Maiocco.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Or do you forget where Ngata had ANOTHER sack
and Alex spun around a few times, slipped out of the pocket and then threw downfield and turned it into a positive play?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't change my initial statement
Yesterday, Alex could’ve avoided two coverage sacks by throwing the ball away, and ran into a third when rolling right would’ve netted huge rushing yardage.
which was in agreement with the coach.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Oh I know. Just pointing out for all the other people that coach ALSO said that Alex prevented 3 or 4 more
Before people grab that out of context
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 27, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Understood.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I watched the Ravens game again...
(1) That chop block call on Gore that took away T/D was a chicken crap ref call.
(2) Loved how Alex under duress keep his eyes downfield, stepped up into the pocket and hit Ginn for the T/D
(3) I noticed several times, Alex under duress made last second positive pass plays while running towards sidelines…and some positive plays with his feet too.
(4) I believe if Adam Synder had not gotten hurt…the blocking would of been better which means the outcome may have been better as well.
(5) Alex is INDEED a better Q.B. this season and I mean much better.
(6) I can’t believe that Ravens O-Line stone walled any Pass Rush pressure we tried. This is becoming a big concern now….the lack of sacks.
MUCH IMPROVED!!!!
The old Alex facing pressure like that would of forced multiple bad throws resulting in an interception or he would of tried some weird thing with his feet and get sacked or had the ball riped out from behind resulting in a fumble, in result with all those turnovers would of put games out of reach….
Alex may have missed a read or two but he kept us in that game until 2 mins left in the 4th quarter by simply not making bad decisions ad not turning the ball over
by Frisco_Kid on Nov 25, 2011 6:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes I watched the DVR'd version today (because I was at the game)
and that chop block and pass interference on the Brown INT were both BS
by sanfranfanmdk on Nov 25, 2011 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Almost called out BigMac
But then realized it’s BigMar!
Great Point on Alex. I too dewar he’d and minus to under thrown passes (a third could be tagged on him for on the INT), Alex look poised and relatively in control of the offense. Beyond the standard “kill” or “roll with it” calls, he was calling out protections, audibled a few times and make very solid reads when given time. 9 sack will ultimately ruin any chance at sustaining good drives, but Alex played well enough that I have even more confidence in him.
Case in point, remember the play he broke out of a would-be sack by Redding/Ngata (can’t remember), ran to his right, pointed out his receiver and delivered a bullet for the first down. That play does not get executed by the Alex of old. You have to rate him high for his solid play last night
Yeah, and If you throw out all the incomplete passes, he has a 100% completion percentage
I really, really think Michael’s been playing great football.
---Jim Harbaugh
by 10forTech on Nov 25, 2011 4:59 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
The defense played great and I am in NO way blaming them for the lose
But after the 49ers tied it up on their first drive of the second half, the Ravens drive that followed was a killer. What hurt even more was the defense, that had allowed the Ravens to convert on 3rd down only once in the first half, allowed four 3rd down conversions on that drive including the TD pass on 3rd-and-8. Again, I’m not blaming the defense, only it surprised me they had such a hard time on that drive on 3rd down.
But by far and away the biggest difference in the game was the Ginn TD being called back. It just changed the whole feel of the game. And it’s hard to blame Alex when he was running for his life most of the game. Most QBs in that situation would have probably had 3 or more turnovers (fumbles or interceptions).
In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
by urnext on Nov 25, 2011 5:21 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
seriously
Alex deserves credit for absorbing 9 sacks instead of forcing passes into INTs or coughing up the ball.
Last night was just a perfect storm with the short week, very difficult opponent, 3 timezones, injuries, etc. The niners wouldn’t play like that if they met again. Of course there’s only one way that’ll happen!
My 2 cents on the loss
I think that they should have done more no huddle offense, at the end of the 1st half running the 2 min drill they had defense on its heels and off guard, and were moving the ball. I think if they were to have 4 to 6 plays scripted before the offense took the field and went no huddle for those plays I think they could have moved the ball down field, but like I have said before not an expert just a fan posting his opinion.
by Nicholas Kitchman on Nov 25, 2011 5:27 PM PST reply actions
I am all for A. Smith, Great game despite no time to make a play
What concerned me a bit was the lack of adjustments in the second half. The play calling on Def-fence could have been better. On the series where Baltimore scored the only TD in the game, I felt as though Greg Manusky was calling the plays. Four man rushes are great and all, especially when its effective, but I didn’t see us dial up any exotic blitzes and Flacco went untouched all game long. The o-line looked ridiculously bad, and I am not too sure it was all because Snyder went down. I saw a Baltimore defensive front step their game up to a incredible level, and we had no answer for that effort.
9-2 is still a great feat, but I am suspect of our Playoff Caliber status, and the only thing that will change that is a much better effort against another Super Bowl quality team in the Pittsburgh Steelers. Dallas looks pretty damn good right about now, and the Lions can hang with us and win. I actually like our chances against the Saints more than any other playoff team. Of course the Packers D is rounding into playoff form and that is a scary match-up for anyone.
A Short Straw
I can’t say I blame anyone on this loss, it was a short straw with playing the Cards and no Ravens. Let’s face it and the penalties ( other than offsides on kick offs ) probably would have happened anyway, about the only good thing to happen is it should make the teams stronger for the rest of the season, this loss will be a painful reminder of what it’s like to lose. I hope this loss stays on the minds of all the players and coaches so they better prepare for each and every game. They did their best considering the test, a short week and the Ravens had one more day than we did to prepare, this loss can/ will and should be put to good use to make our Niners give heart and soul to strive for perfection, which so far, we haven’t seen.
Blame Game
1) OL: Any way you look at it they just didn’t get it done
2) Play calling: I would have loved more no huddle, more screen to counter the blitz, and more slants to get the WR involved
3) John Harbs and Staff: They pitched a really good game. They clearly looked back to the preseason and saw how bad smith and co did against the blitz and even though in the season Smith has been good against it John saw something there and went after it. I was impressed with the Baltimore team.
4) Our secondary: They are still the weak point on our D. Other teams are going to attack us there all season long. They have a lot of work to do still.
This is really an opportunity to address our line, play calling and secondary. The whole NFL saw the blue print on how to beat us. Now we know exactly how they are going to come after us and we can plan accordingly.
5
Suggs is a special player. Dude was on last night.
by mcwagner on Nov 25, 2011 6:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
It is funny cause we were sitting there as a family watching the game and I was telling my kids that this was an opportunity for them to see one of the best players in the game, Reed, play. But Suggs just flat out dominated that game. He is a special player.
I feel like we should have stopped playing zone after the 1st couple of drives
I got sick of seeing flacco eat us up with does short 8-13 yard passes and what made it worse is that it seemed that every time someone caught it he was wide open in the zone to get a couple yards after the catch.
It Wasnt Just Smith, But....
Against the Ravens, you have to get rid of the ball quick and that is just NOT a strength of Alex Smith. You cant manage against that defense, you have to be a Dan Marino (1-2-3 gone).
Getting rid of the ball quickly is Alex's specialty. The difference is that the middle of the pocket was collapsing not just the outside
If you count on those sacks he generally had about 1 second before the middle of the pocket was collapsing and he couldn’t step up into it.
I wanna see when the next long sack vs short sack stat comes out. Alex will likely lead in short sacks again and be near the bottom in long sacks.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
No it isnt. It never has been.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
He gets the ball out quickly because more often than not if he's counted to 3 he's already been sacked.
As normal you don’t know what you’re talking about
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
You are a waste of oxygen.
As normal you respond in an idiotic manner.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
Let be nice here man
flames spread and soon NN will be a forest fire.
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
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by manraj7 on Nov 25, 2011 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good post.
Smith has simply been playing winning football. That can’t be argued in any fashion. He hasn’t been flashy or explosive. He hasn’t “wowed” people week in and week out. But he really has been helping the team win. It isn’t in spite of him. And while it isn’t solely because of him they’re winning (much like the Patriots and Packers QBs carry their teams at times), he certainly is contributing to the winning ways.
Jim Harbaugh AND Alex Smith are our future!
SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS: WORLD CHAMPIONS!
Touchdown Forty Niners!
Giants Baseball: Torture. It hurts so good.
Amazing he helps the team qin bit doesnt help them lose.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
Question:
Can you make screen passes if you face extreme pressure from the right side?
by Ni9er on Nov 25, 2011 7:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Completely unblocked pressure?
At least not a well executed screen pass. You’re supposed to have at least about 2 seconds to get off a screen.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
You keep saying that as if it was every down.
Get a shot from the doc. So, YouCanChillWhenYouPost.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
Stop with the screens
I keep hearing, even on KNBR today, that we should have thrown more screens and our offensive plan sucked. Screens are great against aggressive and indisciplined teams. The overall team speed and recognition ability would have blown up most standard screens. I will say though that the quick screens, bunch formations and toss plays seemed effective since we got away from the strength of the defense and used our speed and size in our WR to beat the Avens avg DBs. Other than that, it’s not as simple as "let’s throw a screen since we’re getting pressured.
Agree with you Ni9er!
whether the screen is effective or not,
it keeps the defense from pinning their ears back and flying at us. I would’ve liked to see the quick hitches more to the outside with the dbs playing 8-10 yards off every play too.
by itsAteamGAME on Nov 26, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
You need 2 seconds of protection to set up a screen.
On about 1 of every 3 plays we weren’t even getting that. Even against 4 man rushes with max protect.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
they weren't calling screens
you can argue around the edges all you want.
by asmithisaverage on Nov 26, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
They weren't
But it doesn’t mean they’d have worked if we did.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
then try one
on the other 2 of the 3 plays..
by itsAteamGAME on Nov 27, 2011 12:43 AM PST up reply actions
Haters
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ycn-10526055
A quote from the article linked above that i think sums it up for the way most real fans feel.
“All of those bandwagon fans out there who think Smith is a bad quarterback because his offensive line didn’t block players are ridiculous. If that’s how you’re going to cheer, then we don’t want you rooting for us”.-David Mehrwein
by Nicholas Kitchman on Nov 25, 2011 7:38 PM PST reply actions
This
Smith is not a qb I’d go forward with more than one more season. He doesn’t pump fake, he doesn’t look off safeties and doesn’t show any swag in the pocket. I don’t hate him, I just don’t love his play. Please don’t sign the man..!!
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
by rlott#42 on Nov 25, 2011 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not really this
I think you’re mis-reading the post you’re replying to.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
So we need a QB who - in the 1 second before a Raven's defender hits him - can:
pump fake, look off safeties, swag, and not stare down receivers.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Nov 25, 2011 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
rlott is pointing to more than just this game
and sadly he’s right. Smith has played smart and intelligent but he’s not been playing lights out and he’s not elite.
He’s average to above average, but I’d like to have a better option at QB going forward.
Our line sucks dude. No QB is gonna be "elite" behind our pathetic O-Line.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
OK then
because the line has sucked all year long
by smileyman on Nov 25, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Chilo and Anthony Davis have yes
Davis got beat for how many sacks combined between the 2 elite speed rushers he’s faced in Babin and Suggs?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
No fewer than 5 sacks came between Davis and Rachal against the Ravens - 6 if the Safety Zbikowski's sack was on them too (I'd have to watch again)
And another 3 were on Davis against Babin.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Oh and how elite has that Staley guy been?
He’s been better of late but I’d say no better than average… Probably worse. I’d peg him in the bottom 33% of LTs. Not the worst in the league… But maybe in the ten worst
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
I say the same, so you must not know what youre talking about.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
Jaime Dukes of NFL network told me that one.
I’m just regurgitating the most educated football mind on Earth.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
Dude
He’s been in the league 7 years. We have an overwhelming amount of evidence, based simply on skill set, that he is not an elite QB.
The turbulence his career has suffered put him at a huge disadvantage, yes. But he is simply NOT an elite quarterback and will never be one. I think we could win an SB with him, but his upside his quite limited.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 26, 2011 5:59 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
So Rich Gannon was never elite?
Steve Young was elite in his 7th year?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
Steve Youngs statline from his 7th season when he was 30 years old
5W 5L 180/279, 64.5%, 2517 yards, 17TDs and 8 INTs, Lng 97 yards 9.0 YPA, 13 sacks
Young will never be elite.
Now go learn something about football Timmy.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
He also arguably had a better line (remember his RT is functionally his LT because he's a lefty)
Steve Wallace – LT
Guy McIntyre* – LG *went to pro bowl this season (and last season)
Jesse Sapulo – C
Roy Foster – RG
Harris Barton – RT
Wallace >> Anthony Davis
Iupati appx. = McIntyre
Sapulo > Goodwin
Snyder > Foster > Chilo
Barton >> Staley
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
OK
For as many times as it has happened there are a thousand more examples of it not happening that way.
But do you actually believe that Alex Smith has a 4,500+ yard, 25 TD+ season in him?
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 27, 2011 3:48 AM PST up reply actions
If that was what this Offense is about ... ( Absolutely ) .. but that's not how this Offense is built ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
And
therein lies the rub. True, Harbaugh likes a power style. But Alex’s limitations also have something to do with it. I think it’s a little bit of both.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 27, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
He runs the same offense he ran at Stanford!!
lol
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 27, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
I know
I’m just saying, while Harbaugh’s offense does have an effect on Smith’s numbers, I also think Smith’s ability does as well.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 28, 2011 7:25 AM PST up reply actions
Well you must not have watched all of the games this year
he’s pump faked and looked off safeties plenty of times
by sanfranfanmdk on Nov 25, 2011 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
And before this pump fake thing is was high passes to Crabtree.
Alex fixed that.
Before the high passes to Crabtree it was Alex always rolled to his right.
Before the Alex always rolled to his right it was Alex had small hands and couldn’t hold onto the ball.
Before the etc…
Wonder what it will be next…
Over
by cybermaldonado on Nov 25, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
Remember the quick screen that KW dropped
Suggs read it, jumped in the throwing lane and Alex hesitated to open up a throwing lane…pretty damn good QB work…just saying
Yes, resign him to a 2-3 year deal, when/if Kaep provides a better chance to win make the switch.
Alex is better than any FA quarterback who won’t have chemistry with the team.
"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt his team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh
by SanFranciscoKnights on Nov 26, 2011 2:27 AM PST up reply actions
Who is David Mehrwein
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?
Alex’s brother in law?
I really, really think Michael’s been playing great football.
---Jim Harbaugh
I googled him :)
he is a writer. Not a paid one but like someone who writes fanposts but for Yahoo instead of us.
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Oh, so he could be Drew then
I really, really think Michael’s been playing great football.
---Jim Harbaugh
could be but probably isn't
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
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No it doesn't
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
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You can't get much closer
If that’s how you’re going to cheer, then we don’t want you rooting for us
I really, really think Michael’s been playing great football.
---Jim Harbaugh
If you read the beginning of the article it doesn't sound like one of drews articles
just my opinion. We can compare it to tomorrow’s college game thread.
P.S. Crabtree been killin em.
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Im still Pissed off
I blame the TEAM, not any individual.Or maybe the other team for playing better that night.None the less still bitter
Yes gee man so am I
My wife hates when the 49ers lose more than I do cause I am bitter for at least 3 or 4 days, so needless to say the past couple years she has tried to ban me from watching football she was tired of me being an ass for nearly 16 weeks.
by Nicholas Kitchman on Nov 25, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
To be sacked 9 times and not fumble is incredible
To hear people say this was Smith’s fault is mind boggling. The offensive line was in shambles. At times it looked like they were standing there giving directions to the QB. If I were going to assign blame, it would be lack of execution of the O-Line first, and lack of game planning and adjustments from the coaching staff second. This team thrives on match ups and such, but there was no time to work it in this week.
Also, Baltimore needed this win a lot more than we did, so they came out on fire and flat out beat us by the end.
Not to be a downer
But he did fumble once. We just got lucky and it rolled oob.
by ZivilynBane on Nov 26, 2011 6:37 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
If Alex had say Green Bays WR's....
Im pretty sure we do better on offense.
He stares down one and checks down, so I doubt it.
Fact remains we don’t have GB wrs. Regardless, Alex couldn’t hit them down field, so why have them.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
by rlott#42 on Nov 25, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We don't even need GB WRs, Our WR Depth and TEs are very talented as well
A 1-2 dose of Edwards and Crabtree is enough for teams, Josh Morgan + Kyle Williams are solid emerging WRs who are surehanded, Speedy Ginn to spread the coverage, and Vernon Davis + Delanie Walker for star power..this is more than enough to compare w/ what GB has. Also don’t be greedy cause we have a pretty good run game to add to this formula.
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
they are tied for 10th most with 19 drops.
Crabtree is tied for 14th most with 5 drops.
by itsAteamGAME on Nov 25, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Dropped pass stats are almost completely meaningless
NFL Passes Dropped
t1 Atlanta Falcons 25
t1 Cleveland Browns 25
2 Baltimore Ravens 24
3 Carolina Panthers 22
t4 Chicago Bears 21
t4 Detroit Lions 21
t4 St. Louis Rams 21
t4 Miami Dolphins 21
t4 Philadelphia Eagles 21
t4 San Francisco 49ers 21
t4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 21
5 Green Bay Packers 20
t6 Cincinnati Bengals 19
t6 Dallas Cowboys 19
t6 Kansas City Chiefs 19
t7 New York Giants 18
t7 New York Jets 18
t7 Arizona Cardinals 18
t8 Denver Broncos 17
t8 Indianapolis Colts 17
t9 New Orleans Saints 16
t9 San Diego Chargers 16
t9 Seattle Seahawks 16
t9 Washington Redskins 16
t9 Jacksonville Jaguars 16
10 Pittsburgh Steelers 15
11 Buffalo Bills 12
t12 Tennessee Titans 11
t12 Minnesota Vikings 11
t12 New England Patriots 11
t13 Houston Texans 10
t13 Oakland Raiders 10
Individual stats, dropped passes
1 Roddy White Atl 11
2 Brandon Marshall Mia 10
3 Dallas Clark Ind 8
4 Dwayne Bowe KC 7
5t Anquan Boldin Bal 6
5t Nate Burleson Det 6
5t Victor Cruz NYG 6
5t Montario Hardesty Cle 6
5t Jason Hill Jac 6
5t DeSean Jackson Phi 6
5t Ray Rice Bal 6
5t Dane Sanzenbacher Chi 6
5t Jerome Simpson Cin 6
5t Steve Smith Car 6
5t Mike Williams TB 6
16t Arrelious Benn TB 5
16t Davone Bess Mia 5
16t Brent Celek Phi 5
16t Michael Crabtree SF 5
16t Jermichael Finley GB 5
16t Jermaine Gresham Cin 5
16t Calvin Johnson Det 5
16t Greg Little Cle 5
16t Laurent Robinson Dal 5
16t Torrey Smith Bal 5
16t Benjamin Watson Cle 5
I really, really think Michael’s been playing great football.
---Jim Harbaugh
You are right
There is no context for passes attempted or targets.
But since we are at the bottom of the league in attempts, we are going to be riding pretty high on both of those lists if adjusted for targets.
Well then this is a reply fail.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
I think Alex Smith is a very good game manager
I know he’s been very solid this year but that’s all he is..solid, he’s not a playmaker he’s just a piece of the team..i think that’s what our QB position is lacking, someone to step up in the pocket and willing to take the hit or roll out to make a big play.
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
Sometimes I feel like I’m not watching the same games as some of you.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Nov 25, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
i feel ya on that
you read some of these comments that “Alex doesn’t do this or that”, when he clearly does these said things during the game…….haters gonna hate
by sanfranfanmdk on Nov 25, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
It's kinda like when you watch with your girlfriend/wife who never really watches football
“Why did the play not start and now the referee is rolling his hands over and pointing down the field?” “Why is he just letting him tackle them he should throw it!” Most of our fans are on that kind of knowledge level.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
I totally agree...
A Smith literally stepped up in the pocket and hit Ginn between the numbers on fourth down. Smith isn’t elite – yet. He’s very good and improving every week.
by reoninja on Nov 25, 2011 10:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
the between the numbers
is really literal… the replay angle showed a perfect pass where the tip of the ball struck exactly on the Ginn’s chest, right in the middle
My opinion of Alex
I think he has been very good at managing the game yes, but I also think that if given another season under the same OC with the same playbook for more than 1 year he might be able to be a big play maker but only time will tell.
by Nicholas Kitchman on Nov 25, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
The statement neither of the two losses were because of Alex has the same validity
As the statement none of the nine wins were because of Alex. It’s pretty much a non-statement.
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by Pat Willie on Nov 25, 2011 8:28 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wow!
The amount of criticism and panic after a loss to a good team amazes me. Dont get all up in arms and taks this as a personal attack anyone. Maybe its residual pain of seasons past that leads to the Alex bashing? Understandable I guess, but try really hard to judge him this year under, these circumstances
by Gerald Tarrant on Nov 25, 2011 8:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Has he really not helped this team at all?
I mean really?
by Gerald Tarrant on Nov 25, 2011 8:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Nobody's bashing Alex
It’s just that every time we have games like this, I know it wasn’t Alex’s fault, but it just shows he can’t do anything about it because he doesn’t or apparently doesn’t show the fire of a elite QB. Maybe I’m wrong but who knows..
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
He doesn't inspire his line to block for him!
It’s definitely his fault!
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 25, 2011 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
It's disgusting really
After one loss and so many are willing to point the finger at Alex and coming out to say he isn’t any good. Bunch of cowards who’s been lurking just waiting for the team to lose so they came come out and do the I told you so nonsense. The Niners got beat on a short week. The lack of prep was apparent and you want to put it on the QB. You want to to point a finger why not look at Chilo, he was just not ready to play when Snyder went out. He’s poor play affected the entire line. Davis looked to help out and got beat. Frank couldn’t pick up the blitzer and the guy running by Chilo. There was no trust with Chilo in there. You just can’t expect to win a game when the oline plays so poorly. Alex made so incredible plays despite getting hammered. That one where he was in the grasp and spun out and threw for a first down being one example. The guy is a warrior and you so called “fans” want to bash him?
It was a good game that could’ve gone in our favor easily if three things had happened differently. 1) The TD to Ginn wasn’t called back on a iffy penalty(7 for us), 2) the int that was called pass interference(-3 for the ravens) and if we kicked that field goal at the end of the 1st half (3 for us) we would’ve won the game 16-13. Given that I think we did fine. I would wager that this will just make our team more hungry. I’d rather that some of these things get exposed and corrected now and not in the playoffs. We win as a team and we lose as a team.
by NinerOptimus on Nov 25, 2011 9:12 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I have said everything Im posting now, during the streak.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
Yes
I remember having a discussion about who was more valuable or important to the team, gore vs alex smith. You mentioned Gore was way more important than Alex to the team. But then the Giants game happened and I didn’t read anything from you about it. I feel some of the comments are way too one-sided about the reason we lost hence the post. I don’t doubt anyone’s passion about the Niner’s, just their judgment.
by NinerOptimus on Nov 26, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
Actually if you read the article it tries not to point the finger at Smith
It was a terribly constructed argument.
Akin to saying Moran Norris has only received one carry in 2 losses so we cannot blame Moran Norris.
Or Chilo Rachal has only been credited with giving up 2 sacks in these two losses, cannot blame Chilo Rachal. Well actually if I follow the exact argument of this article I could say Chilo gave up no sacks versus the Cowboys therefore Chilo isn’t to the blame for the Ravens loss. Not only is the premise of the article to be statistically misleading but actually tries the bait and switch at the same time.
What is non-sense coming from your side of the fence is no is blaming Alex Smith solely for the loss. But this is the up-teeth nasty, veiled true fan comment saying so provoked on nothing. So pay real close attention here … the offensive line played a bad game, offensively the coaches put together a bad game plan, also Alex Smith had a bad game … omg rip the fan cards away.
by bignerd on Nov 25, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The comment was in no way directed at the article if you actuall;y read my comment
But rather the “fans” putting blame one any particular player. The point was there was no one play or player that caused us to lose the game. It was a team effort as it always been. I like Harbaugh’s style of team first and I will defend it. I used Chilo as an example of how certain players did not play well and it affected the team. I cCertainly hope Chilo steps up along with everyone on the team. Not once did I call anyone a mediocre player or worse, I did not ask for anyone to be cut or replaced, only that our players that we have step up and play better.
As for the fan comment I guess I define fan differently than you do. I just don’t see the point of putting down players on your own team.
by NinerOptimus on Nov 26, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
Its not always putting down the players
If you are going to talk about a game you are going to have talk about the players. In a loss you’ll have to talk about the players that put up a bad performance.
You are right
I have no problem with discussions of players who could’ve, should’ve, played better. That along with intelligent discussions of the game plan, breaking down the plays and play calling are great. However it’s the “omg player xyz is terrible”, “xyz’ll never be any good”, “I’ve said it all along xzy sucks” types of comment that I’m advocating against.
by NinerOptimus on Nov 26, 2011 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
I don't mind stating my opinion
but really it is all pretty much headed to a few over zealous number running cry baby spelling nazi’s. W/e the Niners lost, we are still pretty much a lock for our division. Last time I checked the Ravens (who have a pretty good history of having tough defenses managed to obtain a record team high sacks. I think the issue was with the line quite clearly.
You can hate on Alex but with out even playing our crap division much we manage to be standing at first in our division and still a lot better then last year. Funny I see the same people making the same comments over and over again acting like a High Schooler with Google at his disposal.
Can’t tell you what to do but as a fan I am in know way worried. I actually think this is a great loss in it shows us our weak points with plenty of time left to fix it.
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Our O line got stomped.
I dont care who the QB is. Without an O line you cannot move the football at all. QB’s are not supposed to absolutely have the ability to run around and make plays otherwise they’re terrible. QBs are supposed to be able to sit back in the pocket and deliver the football accurately which Alex can do when he has time.
I also appreciate that Alex never turned the ball over besides that pick in the end zone. Every time he got sacked he took care of the ball and made sure not to do anything stupid. That’s a sign of a good QB. I would much rather see him eat the ball than try to side-hand it as he’s getting hit. Those ALWAYS lead to picks.
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by rise_stand_resist on Nov 25, 2011 10:48 PM PST reply actions
Harbaugh states he's going with Chilo!!!!
I dont know if anyone caught his press conference call earlier today but Jim stated that he’s confident in Chilo’s ability if Snyder cant go…
When asked about Boone instead, he repeated that Chilo is good to go…
I heard the call on CSN Bayarea and also Matt Maiocco tweeted it earlier.
by Frisco_Kid on Nov 25, 2011 10:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I guess
it would be a bad time to criticize Chilo publicly right now. that guy knows he is at fault and his confidence is prob at an all time low. and JH doesnt know if Snyder will be able to recover for next week so he has no choice but to offer his support to Chilo
I remember in the begining
of the season JH giving all types of praise to Chilo, from his physical ability to his work ethic to his attitude…Im not convinced and as hard as it is i will trust Harbs
by Frisco_Kid on Nov 25, 2011 11:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He has been
as bad as I have remembered him seeing him playing since Mike Sing’s era. He was too slow in moving his feet and still is. And somehow he just lack “game awareness” if you know what I mean. I guess work ethic just isnt enough in this league?
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my wrists are cutting themselves now…
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Chilo is so bad that he somehow makes Davis bad.
Davis sees him and hes like “[site decorum]” and the entire right side collapses. If he plays next week we should just put in Tolzein so we don’t injure Alex.
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If Snyder doesn't play
and Chilo does the Rams have 12 men on the field
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Right side will be tested again next Sunday
He faces Chris Long next Sunday who is actually a bright spot for the delightfully horrid Rams
by Frisco_Kid on Nov 25, 2011 11:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Davis plays well when he has a RG thats decent
Give him that and he will play well.
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If you guys remember
There was a fumble that went out of bounds. I think it was one of Suggs’ sacks. It didnt matter in the end as the result was still 4th and long
by hell-oo on Nov 25, 2011 10:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
yeah it was the play where Anthony Davis got beat and then he just stopped in place and Alex had rolled left was trying to go downfield
Anthony completely gave up on the play instead of running after him in case Alex had come scrambling back.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 1:02 AM PST up reply actions
I'm wondering two things upcoming with these divisional games :
1.) Will we be seeing more Kyle Williams
and
2.) Will Braylon be used like the 6-8 yard Possession-Receiver he really is instead of something he’s not(which is a deep threat)?
1) Kyle will probably see more more PT. Although his one handed catch attempt because he didn’t want to run forward was 50% Brandon Lloyd ducking-ish.
2) That is exactly what Braylon Edwards does. He catches 6-8 yard possession throws and the occasional deep ball. However he’s been inconsistent his entire career. Have a stretch of 4 games where he plays great than follows up with 4 games were you wonder why he is even on the roster.
Yeah but here's the thing though. Last year when he was thrown to early and often, he was effective.
He hasn’t been given all that many looks this year.
Yeah the injury and the unfamiliarity with the offense didn’t help but like I said :
He’s most effective when he’s thrown this short-yardage routes where he can catch the ball, then use his size to possibly break a tackle or two and turn 6-8 yards into 12-15+
The answer to all our problems is to just dump Chilo Rachal into the nearest Sarlacc pit
After seeing that Anthony Davis would fix his play real quick. Or else.
Gimme 1 round!
Man...Chilo is just that bad...
But let’s not forget to blame Norris as well. He missed his read when thye blitzed a safety and then a late blitz by 51, on one of the early sacks. He just looked slow and confused
Well we already know moron sucks. At least we didn't waste a pick on him
That could have been used to draft Matt Forte, Jamaal Charles, D-Jax, Calais Campbell, Ray Rice or CARL NICKS
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 1:37 AM PST up reply actions
I'll note that both Nicks and Sitton were OT's coming out of college
Maybe we should draft a large, sluggish college tackle and just convert him to guard to be Chilo’s replacement. Oh wait! We did that year before last with the 11th pick
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 1:41 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone feel that
Chilo sometimes look like he is playing to avoid blame rather than to make plays? He does it very often, where he would make a half-hearted attempt at blocking and afterwards give the “it wasnt me” look. During the Gore “chop block” he just seems to be trying to push a defender for the sake of pushing the defender so that at least somebody sees that he makes an effort (the defender blew right past him). This has caused quite a number of penalties in the past too (I can’t really mentioned the specifics but I remember it happened alot during Mike Sing’s time. Sing even called him to the sideline once to after a mistake to ask him whether he was ready to play). His mentality seem very passive for an NFL athlete.
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…thousand years
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 1:34 AM PST up reply actions
#truth
Davis plays a lot better when he has a RG thats decent.
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homer
49ers Two Losses, Neither Because of QB Alex Smith

Alex Smith turtled up under the pressure.
Do not take my opinion-These are quotes from Alex Smith himself.
“The quarterback is ultimately judged by wins and losses.” Alex Smith
“Some of those sacks could have been avoided if I called out better protections.” Alex Smith
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Alex Smith knows how to treat his offensive linemen well
Versus telling the truth.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 1:44 AM PST up reply actions
alex smith turtled up; quarterbacks can and do make/call protection adjustments. that is the truth. Quarterbacks can and do have horrible pocket presence and they do hold the ball for too long.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 1:47 AM PST up reply actions
Alex Smith can and does make protection adjustments, he can does get rid of the ball quickly, he can does step into a collapsing pocket to make throws
There is only so much he can do when Anthony Davis is whiffing on his guy and Chilo is completely baffled by a simple stunt between Suggs and Ngata. That’s not something Alex should have to make a protection adjustment before. That’s something a high school lineman should understand how to adjust for.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 1:51 AM PST up reply actions
can and does - can and does
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 1:52 AM PST up reply actions
none of what you have stated has or is a strength of alex smith.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 1:55 AM PST up reply actions
Getting rid of the ball quickly absolutely is a strength of his
I seem to remember Tampa’s defense complaining that he was getting rid of the ball too fast for them to accomplish anything.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 2:08 AM PST up reply actions
11 completions on 19 attempts with 5-6 seconds to pass each play the entire game.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 2:12 AM PST up reply actions
We get it
You think Alex is no good. Does it make you feel better? If not what’s the point of burning your own players out? Are you David Carr? What is it?
by NinerOptimus on Nov 26, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
It just that it's so one sided here sometimes
If you don’t love Alex Smith and think he’s doing a perfectly excellent job you’re obviously a hater, or you don’t know anything about football, or you’re not a real 49er fan, or you’re David Carr, or blah, blah, blah, etc, etc.
Is there no room for a dissenting opinion? Can’t some of us be pragmatic about who we think Alex Smith really is?
I really, really think Michael’s been playing great football.
---Jim Harbaugh
by 10forTech on Nov 26, 2011 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
its the other way too
if you defend Smith at all you are part of the Alexcuses and people think that you have a poster of #11 behind your bed. It really has gotten to the point where Alex Smith is a useless thread of haters vs lovers when neither is true. I just get frustrated with it all.
by mcwagner on Nov 26, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't try to pass off the irrational underbelly of this argument on those of us who spend way way too much time trying to make a cogent argument against a tide of half-truths and insults
The moderators and writers could make it civil, but more often than not they’re part of the problem.
I really, really think Michael’s been playing great football.
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by 10forTech on Nov 26, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
exactly
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree with you
Is there no room for a dissenting opinion?
I think both sides of the fence have been irrational. I’ll defend Alex and someone calls me an Alex lover. That’s not true because one time I criticized him and then called a hater.
Where do you see me calling anyone names?
I really, really think Michael’s been playing great football.
---Jim Harbaugh
you haven't
I’m not calling you out or anything. I think you have made many valid points and did not resort to name calling. I just think that there is a strange black and white approach to Smith comments. Apologist or hater. I just hate that there is no gray
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 27, 2011 1:11 AM PST up reply actions
"The quarterback is ultimately judged by wins and losses." Alex Smith
"Some of those sacks could have been avoided if I called out better protections." Alex Smith
>>> He should’ve added :
“The quarterback is also responsible for making the correct decisions with the football”
That throw to Braylo there was NOT the correct decision.
by BrockRocks on Nov 26, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This at least is rational though I disagree
It either wasn’t a great throw or there was a miscommunication both of those being on Alex. But the decision itself wasn’t bad. Alex should have thrown back shoulder but he said he thought Braylon was going to cut underneath for inside position and a jump ball vs throwing back shoulder and possibly out of bounds. Considering it was 1 on 1… I think Alex made the right decision but Braylon and he weren’t on the same page.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 26, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Agree...to an extent
I still think the decision was incorrect. It would have been hard for Braylon to get inside, Webb had him on lock all the way. In that situation (end of the half) the WR should either be open or be a stud, neither of which Braylon was or is.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 27, 2011 5:57 AM PST up reply actions
you really think Alex is going to come out and publicly blame his OLine?
come on man
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
if we go on another 8-win streak...
it means we win the super bowl.
nice
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 1:41 AM PST up reply actions
And if we get all six numbers correct...
it means we win the lottery.
yay.
Its the plan!!!!!
Can you imagine it. A rematch against Balt for the SB. The O-Line comes out mad and destroys the Ravens. We all celebrate and people will say that Alex Smith will not be able to repeat as a SB champ.
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We all celebrate and people will say that Alex Smith will not be able to repeat as a SB champ.
Truth.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 27, 2011 6:04 AM PST up reply actions
ridiculous comparisons
It should be obvious that Superbowl winning QBs on good but not great teams are doing something different and better than QBs on good teams that don’t make the play-offs. We don’t have to try and analyze what it is, we can look at the games and see the differences, plus the stats are there.

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