Radical Thinking: 49ers Acquire Peyton Manning in 2012, Make Super Bowl Run (Special Edition)
Before we get started, I would like to make it known that this isn't an anti-Alex Smith campaign by any means. If you read yesterday's feature, I made it clear that I am behind Smith and have been thrilled with his performance this season. But the fact of the matter is Smith's contract expires at the end of this season and decisions will need to be made.
As most of you have probably taken notice, the Indianapolis Colts are yet to win a game and could very well finish this season 0-16. If that is the case, the Colts would have the number one overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft and their hand would be inevitably forced to select Andrew Luck. Considering Peyton Manning's age and health issues, if they were ever going to move him and move forward, now would be the time where they could yield the highest profit.
It's also peculiar that Indy didn't bother putting a claim in for Kyle Orton when he became available. I don't believe they are committed or desperate to win a game this season, looking at 0-10. They have Carolina, New England, Baltimore, Tennessee, Houston and Jacksonville left on the schedule, who are all good enough to blow out the Manning-less Colts.
So, future Hall of Fame quarterback Peyton Manning is now on the trading block.
This would immediately send the league into a frenzy with likely 2/3 of club's trying to acquire him. Only 10-15 out of 32 teams have what most would consider a franchise quarterback and that's what you're getting with Manning. So, with 15-20 teams pursuing one player, we need to narrow down the potential teams. If the Colts were going to trade him, I don't think they would send him to a bad situation and Manning would have some level of say with what the Colts do like he always has.
Teams that would likely be aggressive in talks would be the Washington Redskins, Miami Dolphins, Denver Broncos, Minnesota Vikings and the Cleveland Browns. If I'm selecting 5 teams that would be willing to bet the house on a gamechanger like Manning, these are the organizations I could make the strongest cases for. However, the San Francisco 49ers are a wildcard in this discussion.
Alex Smith could move on to another organization after showing what he was able to do with good coaching and a fitting offensive system. With Smith moving on, the 49ers would be looking for a veteran quarterback who could step in for 2-4 seasons while rookie Colin Kaepernick develops under said veteran. I ask, what better veteran quarterback to fill that role than Peyton Manning?
Now, getting back to trade talks, I think overall what gives the 49ers an edge is their #1 ranked defense. The Colts defense was good enough to keep them winning, but it isn't that hard when your quarterback is putting up 49 points a game. In his 14 seasons, Manning has never had a defense like the one in San Francisco. It would be complete and utter domination to combine Manning and the future of this 49er defense.
"Hey, Peyton, you like to throw to your tight ends? We've got great ones in the Bay Area." Dallas Clark has been and will forever be linked with Manning and many of his great performances. But Clark is not the tight end Vernon Davis is; Manning would have a field day taking advantage of the mismatches Davis presents. Let's not forget about Delanie Walker either.
Despite what the Baltimore Ravens were able to do the 49ers on Thanksgiving, with Adam Snyder healthy and starting at right guard, this is an exceptional offensive line unit. This is a group with a high ceiling and they are on the rise. One of Manning's concerns will be protection, especially given the neck injury.
What hasn't Manning ever really had? A top running back. With the exception of Edgerrin James, Manning has never really been able to hand the ball off with high hopes. Frank Gore is an elite back in the NFL right now, and the two of them together could be frightening for defensive coordinators. What do you call when Frank Gore and Peyton Manning are on the same team?
So, assuming this is enough to convince Manning and the Colts to get a deal done with San Francisco, we're left wondering what it would it take and would the Niners be willing to go for it. Likely not, but in this case, we are going to move forward assuming the best case scenario. The best case scenario is that Jim Harbaugh is thinking about the future and Kaepernick, while in the meantime, believes Manning can come in and win.
49er fans would also need to hope that man love strikes twice and that Harbaugh and Manning connect on a football level where it's about the team and winning right now, one game at a time until they're hoisting the Lombardi Trophy together. Presuming Manning's contract gets restructured and the Colts are willing to be reasonable, let's say the 49ers and Colts strike a deal and now #18 is in the Bay Area.
This team is now potentially unbeatable. Manning connecting with Braylon Edwards, Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis, Ted Ginn Jr., Kyle Williams, Delanie Walker, Kendall Hunter --- it's just overwhelming for any defense. And the 49ers defense will benefit tremendously from practicing against Peyton Manning; Patrick Willis and the secondary in particular.
And speaking of practice, Kaepernick will be able to learn from Jim Harbaugh and Peyton Manning, which is arguably a better environment than Aaron Rodgers had. Kaepernick could develop into a Steve Young-esque quarterback; athletic, intelligent and can make plays with his arm and his legs.
We could exit the Manning-Gore era and gracefully transition into the Kaepernick-Hunter era. Now, I'd like to reiterate that this is all completely hypothetical and unlikely but stranger things have happened. And similar things have happened. Let's not forget Joe Montana was a Kansas City Chief and Jerry Rice was an Oakland Raider.
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Peyton Manning is my favorite non 49er. Bringing him to my favorite team would be sports heaven. It makes sense. Alex will likely want a raise after this season. I still don’t think he is even an average quarterback, so anything more than 5 mil a season is too much. We are far enough under the cap at this point to make this happen. Harbaugh/Baalke must really believe in Kapernick, since they traded up to get him. But he won’t be ready for a few years. He can sit behind Manning for a few, and the niners would instantly be super bowl contenders. We are now, but I still believe we are a weaker team than packers or saints, ravens or steelers. Make it happen Trent.
Great read
I gotta say that you make a lot of point valid. Of course, it is all hypothetical, but whats to say that it cant happen? Just as you stated above; Manning would have a plethora of offensive weapons and an elite defense to match. A fiery head coach with the experience and knowledge to back it all up. I think Peyton would be very excited to come to the bay. Its not at all far fetched.
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Meh
I’ve watched the Colts for most of Peyton’s career. He folds just as fast as any other QB when he has pressure in his face quickly. And once his receivers start dropping passes like ours do he starts whining and screaming that people are wasting his excellence.
by Ougadas on Nov 26, 2011 8:47 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Regarding Kaepernick learning from Peyton, how would his obvious mobileness be affected by Peyton’s complete unwillingness to leave the pocket in development?
And they’d be asking too much anyway
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by MichaelClutchtree on Nov 26, 2011 8:47 AM PST reply actions
Alot of What if's
Nice read I like Alex Smith but sure would love to see Manning on our team. But What if this what if that too many what if’s. I have one for you. WHAT IF MY AUNT HAD BALLS…….SHE WOULD BE MY UNCLE!!!!:)
And what...give up draft picks and/or players for Manning, No, No, No !
Our team is young and on the come, we need ALL our draft picks to continue to build for the long term run at championships…..not a short term run with a older, broken down Manning.
Rather we stick with Smith-Kaepernick-Tolzien, maybe use one of draft picks to add another Q.B. to the competition.
The 9ers are young, talented…but we need to add more key pieces through the draft , like C.B. – Pass Rusher- O-Linemen – W.R.’s.
No Way I trade for old man Manning at this stage of our team development.
Can this be realistically done?
We have many key players whose contract will expire at the end of this season will need to be signed again. That will probably take a good. chunk of our salary cap given that they have been playing top notch and be rewarded with fat contracts.
The other thing is that for Payton, our Niners would have to probably give up a first rounder (at the very least), and pay the biggest contract in the league ( which Payton just signed this offseason). Considering all this And Peyton’s age, is he really worth it?
I don’t have the answer but we will see.
by Leoniner on Nov 26, 2011 8:53 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Exactly my thoughts too
Who (or what) would we have to give up to get him? The Niners have a lot of really good, talented players on their roster — of course any good quarterback would dream to be able to play with this kind of team — but that also means Indy is going to want a huge chunk of that talent. Who do we have to trade? For someone like Manning, they’ll be asking a really steep price.
Who do we give up? Willis? V. Davis? J. Smith? They’ll want our top players and I can’t accept the Niners trading off our best guys for a quarterback who is still recovering from a big injurymight not even be able to play again.
Win or lose, at the end of the day I'm just happy to see the Niners play well... Okay, winning is good. I prefer winning.
"Yeah, I do get emotional. It fires me up. It fires me up a lot. I'm not going to apologize for that. If that offends you or anybody else, then so be it." ~ Jim Harbaugh
oops, meant to reply to BigMar -- I'm not a fan of the Manning idea at all
Win or lose, at the end of the day I'm just happy to see the Niners play well... Okay, winning is good. I prefer winning.
"Yeah, I do get emotional. It fires me up. It fires me up a lot. I'm not going to apologize for that. If that offends you or anybody else, then so be it." ~ Jim Harbaugh
Just stick with Alex Smith
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by Anonymous1337 on Nov 26, 2011 9:13 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I don't see what Manning
brings to the table re: Kaep. CK is a NCAA record setting QB rusher. Peyton is a statue.
"One game at a time. Let's just keep it rolling." Justin Smith
Peyton Manning would finally allow everyone to see
how good our O-line can be, if they end up horrible, then everyone including the media will finally understand why A. Smith is stuck in mediocrity
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
Franchise QB
Manning is not at this stage of his career, IMHO. As you stated in the article he is football old and is coming off of a surgery on his neck. To me a franchise QB is one who is a blue chip player, who has some playing days left or played most of his career at the franchise. Brett Favre was a franchise QB when he played with the Packers, but not so much with the Jets or Vikings.
Nice post! It's still ok to dream but,
I just can’t see that happening! I still believe in Alex and am already waiting to see how next season goes with the same OC! What a concept that is? And some off season time together? Sheesh! I see us in the NFC championship this year, so let’s be patient please! Oh, and good luck Lambs! We are going to have to get that taste out of our mouths asap! I smell a route coming…
Enough said above! I can't believe the "t-raiders" are going to play in OUR stadium! Bastards!
by 23mjheart on Nov 26, 2011 9:21 AM PST via mobile reply actions
No. He's old, broken and expensive
I’d rather see us trade a pick or two to move up in the draft to get a good receiver. Receivers are what we need. Alex is doing fine and would do even better with some guys who can CATCH!!!
Political correctness is for the weak and spineless. GROW A PAIR!!!
or why not just sign this guy
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HOF quality QB with a superbowl ring. Could probably be signed for a little less than manning.
by reedkrase on Nov 26, 2011 9:28 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Edwards Can't catch
but crabby catches just about every errant throw that alex sends his way.
by Michael Mills on Nov 26, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
What the hell does Braylon Edwards have to do with the Pic of Joe Namath?
did you reply in the wrong place?
you're right
Edwards did pretty well as a Jet, namath will bring out the best in him
nice; rec'ed lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
What Peyton can bring??
I think you guys are missing the obvious. What is the most difficult transition for rushing style quarterbacks coming to the NFL??? Learning to pass out of the pocket. Obviously a rushing qb knows how to flee the pocket and move around, it is natural to them. But a running qb that can learn to throw from the pocket, is a dangerous weapon. Kap could learn pocket presence, timing, and to throw under pressure from Manning. Look at guys like Tebow, Vick, Vince Young, even Steve Young. Tebow struggles because he can’t throw from the pocket. Vick was unstopable last year when he could throw from pocket, and run out of necessity. Steve Young because a complete quarterback when he learned to throw from the pocket. Think about what Kap could learn from Manning. Most imporantly, he could learn about winning. You guys can continue to believe in Alex all you want. He will let you down in the playoffs, when he is exposed like he was on Thanksgiving.
He wasn't exposed. Our O-line was.
Sure Kaep could learn from him. But we don’t need a coach at the price tag that Manning would bring.
If we did get him, it should be a year or two and for cheap. And that’s not gonna happen.
Political correctness is for the weak and spineless. GROW A PAIR!!!
Actually I'd be OK with getting him as a QB coach
At a QB coach’s price tag.
Political correctness is for the weak and spineless. GROW A PAIR!!!
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I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
What did Dan Marino bring to Miami after his neck wore out?
That’s exactly what Manning would bring to this offense. No thank you.
Are there seriously people saying "NO!" to a future HOF QB?
I didn’t realize that we were THAT confident in AleX Smith and our super raw rookie. Some of you are knocking Manning because he’s completely immobile while Kaep is a super rusher. I thought the QB’s job was to throw the ball… ohh wait I forget how the league has changed nowadays with guys like Tebow running the ball and winning games. Sorry my bad, call me old school even though I’m only 21 but the new rage is all about running QB’s, not about QB’s who can throw the ball. We are already spoiled with 2 HOF QBs, now we’re in the position to nitpick about our next one right?
This is hypothetical people, assume the Colts are only asking for ONE first rounder, which will only be the 32nd pick since we’re winning the SB, do you still say no?
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by afrikabamboodle on Nov 26, 2011 9:34 AM PST reply actions
No. I'm knocking Manning because...
He’s old, broken and expensive. In fact nobody really knows if he’ll be able to come back at all. His QB career may be over.
Political correctness is for the weak and spineless. GROW A PAIR!!!
Wait , they win the Super Bowl , so you trade for Manning .... O " boy " ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
lol I saw that too
and why in the heck would you trade such a high pick for a guy that will give you one, maybe two good years? We aren’t the Raiders are we?
by sanfranfanmdk on Nov 26, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Only one first rounder for Peyton?
Highly doubt the price is that low.
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by Badly Browned on Nov 26, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
No
I’d rather have the first rounder.
He’s one of the best to ever play the game. Mentally, as far as what he does, he’s the best that’s ever played the game.
But he’s coming off three neck surgeries and likely wouldn’t survive to the bye week with the kind of protection our line provides. He’s nowhere near worth what his contract pays him at this point and there’s no way I gut this team of some of it’s talent to make room for a QB on the doorstep of retirement.
guys, seriously?
three neck surgeries and you want to start talking about giving away young pieces of our team (or picks)?? i personally feel that manning is the greatest QB to probably ever play the game but im not going to discount this injury he has one bit ..it is VERY serious and if he does ever even suit up and play again, im HIGHLY doubting it will be at the same level it was before
by FortyNiner00 on Nov 26, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
one problems with that
Philly got more than one first rounder for KOLB – no way Manning goes for that cheap.
Too expensive sums it up.
I'd love to see Peyton on the Niners
Think the Colt’s would want way to much for him though.
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They're either going to keep him or cut him
his contract isn’t trade-able. He won’t be traded. He’s due a 28 million bonus.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 26, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
"I'll only play for my coach!"
I’d rather wait and see if Andrew Luck comes into the draft and says “I’ll only play for my coach!” and insists on coming to the Niners.
That may be worth a few 1st round picks. No players though.
Political correctness is for the weak and spineless. GROW A PAIR!!!
I'm not sure Jim would do it.
Look how much progress Alex Smith has shown and he’s known Harbaugh for what — three months?
Andrew Luck had three years under Harbaugh. His potential is reached. Think there are several prospects at QB this year that if they had spent 3 years with Harbaugh they would be much better than Luck.
Well back then yes
Now, no — not after being sacked that many times.
David Carr believes he is a honey badger and Andy Reid is paying his salary in cabbage.
If the Colts manage to draft Andrew Luck
I could see them actually wanting to keep Manning around, as a mentor to Luck. He’ll benefit from having a high-level veteran to help him transition to the NFL.
Win or lose, at the end of the day I'm just happy to see the Niners play well... Okay, winning is good. I prefer winning.
"Yeah, I do get emotional. It fires me up. It fires me up a lot. I'm not going to apologize for that. If that offends you or anybody else, then so be it." ~ Jim Harbaugh
EHH?
Peyton Manning is old and one hit away from a friggin’ wheelchair and this sounds like a better option than keeping and vastly improved Alex Smith? Lay off the Gentleman Jack for breakfast dude.
Peyton will go down as one of the greatest of all time
but just use the Minnesota Vikings as an example…pretty talented roster that tried to do a quick fix with a passed his prime HOF QB…sure they got to the NFC Champ game in one of his two seasons, but now look at them, bottom of the barrel shortly after.
You'd have thought they learned their lesson with Favre when they signed McNabb, too
Win or lose, at the end of the day I'm just happy to see the Niners play well... Okay, winning is good. I prefer winning.
"Yeah, I do get emotional. It fires me up. It fires me up a lot. I'm not going to apologize for that. If that offends you or anybody else, then so be it." ~ Jim Harbaugh
brett favre
farva was a free agent signing.. redskins only got a 6th rd pick and a conditional 6th rounder for next year, AND mcnabb took a pay cut for the vikings.. not exactly high risk moves..
by itsAteamGAME on Nov 26, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly this.....
We do this and we become the Vikings… This is a bad idea rooted in homerism….
Personally I can’t stand Manning I would have to boycott the season….
The reason why? I remember Joe Montana…. My favorite thing about him? He was coachable!
Manning is not coachable….. We have Harbaugh who is shaping up to be a great coach….
Manning comes in and will just do what he wants, change every play that coach calls at the line and run his ego based offense which any playoff bound defensive coordinator will beat most of the time….
This is why manning is a terrible QB… He is not coachable and can’t fathom the fact that someone else might know something more about football than he does….
joe was an average QB who became great because he had a great coach behind him…. Do we see any parallels here????
Manning was a great QB coming in to the nfl who has pretty much just done it his way… He will get you to the playoffs but 95 percent of the time he will lose to teams who understand what is is to play as a team and listen to their coaches….
I don’t see why Harbaugh would want him…. He might as well quit at that point because he wont be doing the coaching on offense any more….. Maybe Jim would trade himself for Manning to be with luck? That’s really the only scenario that makes any sense for Jim as a head coach….
Manning comes here and Harbaugh will become a “Game Manager”…..
by thatguywiththebeardandthebanjo on Nov 26, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
I think you are underselling Montana...
He didn’t have great size, but for most of his career, tackles were 275#, so I think it’s fair to say that neither did anyone else. Didn’t have the strongest arm, true. However, he was athletic, especially in the first half of his career, extremely accurate, and had great timing and pocket awareness. He was also amazingly unflappable at crunch time. There’s nothing average about any of that. It wouldn’t have mattered who the coach was. Montana would most likely have succeeded.
Montana was sneaky fast
he would take to the endzone himself too. Montana had the best footwork in the history of the NFL and that was instinctual.
I'm a bit to young to really know much of the Montana years
But I just bought the 49ers episodes of America’s Game on iTunes, and I did notice that about him. He wasnt afraid to pull it down and run if he had to. Another thing I noticed was some of the parallels between those early years and the Niners team now. Makes me excited about the possibilities.
WWJHD?
I think you are right, I may be underselllling Joe a little bit here to make a point
But not by much… Ask yourself, would Joe be a HOF quarterback if he had any other coach other than Bill? It’s possible but definitely not as likely…. After all it took Bill to revolutionize the game and make it possible for Joe to have so much success….
Joe was a third round QB with intangibles…. Bill knew what he was looking for in his offense and got Joe…
If you have any doubt that Bill coached up Joe a whole lot please check out the SF 49ers complete history DVD… One of the bonus videos is a session with Joe, Jerry, Ronnie and Bill way after they had retired with Bill running Joe through all of the progressions and different drops and hitches that Joe would have to go through… 20 years later, you can see how it is automatic for Joe to do these things…. That is good coaching
I think your right that Bill new Joe was a winner but without each other I don’t think either of them would have had the success they had…
by thatguywiththebeardandthebanjo on Nov 27, 2011 1:58 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed. Also, like Manning Joe had an injury at an old age that people said he wouldn’t return to form with, got traded and single-handedly took the Chiefs to the playoffs.
Haters gon' hate...
by TAYDIGGA on Nov 28, 2011 7:48 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm not sure what you're talking about.
I would rather extend Alex Smith as he has showed me he has it. Peyton’s neck is little more than glue and Popsicle sticks right now.
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by rise_stand_resist on Nov 26, 2011 9:52 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
So you want to give up draft picks and/or players for a short term possible solutiuon?
in Manning being Manning and hoping he delivers a Super Bowl.
even if his checks out healthy next year, he is on his downturn, maybe you get one , two more years of service (anyone remember Brett Farve) at the sacarfice of giving up valuable draft picks and or players who are young and can give you 5 to 10 more years of service in their peak playing years for long term success to numerious playoff seasons.
YOU BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT…..look at Green Bay, Pittsburg, annual contenders, home grown talent mostly.
The 9ers clearly still need help through the draft at WR-O-Line- C.B.-Pass Rusher….no way we can afford to give up draft picks for a possible shor term solution in Manning especially a Q.B. with serious neck injury concerns who is aging and on his way down hill.
Hopefully
Harbaugh is smiling at Kaepernick and knows that this cat will be a beast and we roll with him next year. Harbs gives Alex a great endorsement and Smith plays for a contender in the AFC and gets that fresh start he has always deserved and plays well for them. We have Kaepernick play well with Tolzien being a qualified backup.
You did was Kaep in pre-season rite , i mean he has some talent , he is far far away from playing in the National Football League ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
he is practicing
I’m hoping that he is close to being ready and a full offseason with the first string snaps gets him there
He already had first string snaps and it didn't get him there ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
I guess we're on two different side's of the fence , i can't wait to see AleX in year ( Two ) of this Offense ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
we are both rooting for success of any 49er
I’m just a Kaepernick homer. If AleX keeps tearing it up then so be it. I really do believe in Harbaugh’s decisions either way
Kaepernick is a poor mans version of Cam Newton....and that is very good thing!
Harbaugh is molding Colin like a piece of clay.
2012 it will be Alex – Kaepernick – Tolzien all openly competing for the starter position……best Q.B. Wins!
By poor man's version of Cam are you referring to Colin's faster speed, stronger arm, or higher intelligence?
Don’t get me wrong, I love Cam but Colin has even more freakish measurables than Cam does.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Nov 26, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Newton is only slighty slower than Kaep (0.05s or something)
He’s a better jumper, far more athletic, and way more instinctual.
Here’s the kicker – he’s 20 pounds heavier. As far as specimen, Cam Newton is only second to Vernon Davis in FREAKISH MEASURABLES.
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by TryAndCatchVD on Nov 27, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
It's probably better to be lighter
It is more impressive when you can be almost as fast at a heavier speed — but that man is going to have 80 year old knees by the time he is 30.
Why is Cam less intelligent?
Haters gon' hate...
by TAYDIGGA on Nov 28, 2011 7:50 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
wouldn't it be cool
if Gore could ride a unicorn? Of course you still need open lanes but if not the unicorn can lower its head and lead the way
by mcwagner on Nov 26, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Think how much Alex
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Nov 26, 2011 10:29 AM PST via mobile reply actions
has improved already under Harbaugh..
imagine multiple seasons under Harbaugh.
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by Anonymous1337 on Nov 26, 2011 10:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
manning
this is exactly the sort of deal we should not be making. the colts have gotten the best out of him and they’d love to deal him for a couple (or more) really good picks. there is much to be like about manning, although i’ve never been that convinced he’s the best locker room influence – however, that should be ignored. old, injured, expensive yet highly desired is the totally worst sort of deal for a team like ours. harbaugh et al would surely agree.
This team is built on being a team
You bring a “savior” into the locker room, it will break up that gestalt. IMHO, this team is better than the sum of its parts. I think Peyton is one of the smartest quarterbacks in football in picking defenses apart, but don’t think he would fit in the 49er locker room as a blue collar smash mouth player. Just don’t see it working out well.
I love Payton BUT I HOPE
he will stay with the Colts and I hope the Colts get Luck.
I feel that messing with AleX would mess with our team mo jo. I think the entire team supports/believes in AleX and to toss him away next year would be a very bad move. I trust what JH sees in AleX and in CK7. I really want CK7 to get two more years preparing and not thrown in way too early.
Peyton Manning's contract
There’s actually a good chance Peyton Manning will be released this coming offseason. As I understand his contract, it was basically set up as sort of like a one year deal with a multi-year extension included, making it easy to release him after this year without a big cap hit.
Yes
I’ve heard this as well. Peyton Manning as a free agent would probably make this scenario more likely, seeing as how the 49ers want to build through the draft and wouldn’t have to sacrifice any draft picks to get him. I would think Manning cares less about WRs and more about offensive line and the defense giving him opportunities
by Dylan DeSimone on Nov 26, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
It's nice to dream
But, for all the reasons people have mentioned above, it’s neither likely to happen, nor is it necessarily a good idea. If we could be guaranteed her performs like 2006 Manning,sure, mortgage the future. But, neck injuries, and being the equivalent of a senior citizen in NFL years won’t work.
Also, Dylan, did you honestly state that Manning has never had an elite running back? Edge James was probably the best all around back in the NFL for the first 5 years of his career…
Also, we need to draft Gore’s replacement soon. Dixon and Hunter are both decent, but neither of them is him, and soon, he won’t be either.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Nov 26, 2011 11:41 AM PST reply actions
I agree that we will need another RB but I think Hunter can be that guy.
What about him makes you say he cannot be a feature NFL back?
"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt his team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh
by SanFranciscoKnights on Nov 26, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
I think he is good
as part of a several-pronged attack. He is a great change of pace back, but tends to get his yards in bunches, ie, runs of -1, 2, and 19 yards.
I realize Gore has a tendency to go 3, 3, 30 too, but someone to consistently run between the tackles would play to the strengths of our run blockers, who are pretty good.
I think Hunter’s an important part of this team’s future, he will just need help doing it.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Nov 26, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I think Hunter can do it
But I don’t want him to. He doesn’t look the part but all we’ve seen him do is bounce off of guys and keep going. Those off tackle plays and traps that Gore takes for 5-9 — Hunter is going to blow some of those wide open.
But I’d rather have a committee — it keeps everybody fresh and maybe more importantly in this league is that it keeps individual numbers down so nobody gets a big head and starts demanding to be paid QB money.
He said that James was the only one…
Haters gon' hate...
by TAYDIGGA on Nov 28, 2011 7:52 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
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yesterday it was nothing was alex smith’s fault and today the niners need peyton manning to make a super bowl run. Which one is it?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
both
Peyton Manning playing RG will lead us to the promised land
by mcwagner on Nov 26, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
he could at least call out the correct protections. it would be like having a coach on the field to make audibles/adjustments for play calls and protection adjustments.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
When it comes to being a better mentor for Kaep, I honestly think Alex could be the best influence.
He has already shown the willingness to teach Kaep the NFL game, even while he is starting football games. I don’t know that Peyton would be willing to provide what Alex does in that regard.
"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt his team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh
by SanFranciscoKnights on Nov 26, 2011 11:59 AM PST reply actions
I think Harbaugh himself is the best influence/mentor on/for Kaepernick.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 26, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Agree on Harbaugh, Alex too
Plus, look back on how poor the Colts’ backup QBs are now. Curtis Painter, man that guy doesn’t look like he’s benefited much from having Peyton as a mentor.
Win or lose, at the end of the day I'm just happy to see the Niners play well... Okay, winning is good. I prefer winning.
"Yeah, I do get emotional. It fires me up. It fires me up a lot. I'm not going to apologize for that. If that offends you or anybody else, then so be it." ~ Jim Harbaugh
Well, during the season Harbs most likely can't devote too much time to Kaepernick individually.
I’m sure G. Chryst is a damn good coach as well, but I think one of the best qualities of Alex is his intelligence and drive to learn. Also he has demonstrated his lack of ego and his willingness to help out Colin. In that respect I think Alex is a valuable person to have on this football team.
"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt his team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh
by SanFranciscoKnights on Nov 26, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
If he’s released of course you take him.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
Highly doubt the Eagles carry two QBs
making 100 million or close to it
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
They can cut Vick
It’s the NFL, salaries can be canceled at any moment. Not for one second do I believe Andy Reid or their boy genius GM are going to accept one percent of the blame for their season, they will find a scapegoat for their offense.
They can't cut Vick for Peyton
That would result in almost 20 million in dead money crashing down on their salary cap. They do that and they either can’t afford Peyton or a defense.
zing lol
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 27, 2011 1:08 AM PST up reply actions
Peyto? YGTBFKM
Didn’t we learn enough from the O.J. signing? Could Peyton even play with a fused cervical vertebra or two? He’d be foolish to try it.
LMAO
AMAZING how many people would run their team like Madden.
Call me crazy, but with the contract, price tag, health issues, and age, I don’t even CONSIDER this for a second. Resign Alex, and go with him and Kaep.
If we were a QB away, I might think about it. But we’re not. We have a few more pieces to fill, and right now, QB isn’t one of the main ones. Alex has been fine, and that’s the direction I’d go, especially if that’s what Jim wants to do.
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
Harbaugh Was Forced To Take Alex Smith
The CBA situation truncated the entire season. Dont think Harbaugh wont jettison Smith like the Super Bowl winning Ravens ejected Dilfer.
Harbaugh convinced Smith to play for SF
just called him an elite quarterback a week ago. If we win the Super Bowl Alex is going no where. Jim loves Alex. If Alex does not come back it is because Kaepernick or Tolzien are looking great in practice and that is a big risk still.
Dang bro , where do you get such a erroneous statement ...
… Harbaugh Was Forced To Take Alex Smith…
…can name at least 10 Qb’s that where available at the time , that he chose not to even talk too and two of them where on the team …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Available?
Yes there were available quarterbacks but none had even close to the opportunity to succeed with the 9ers that Alex had this season. 1 Alex had his prior seasons with the 9ers to have developed some chemistry with the recievers 2 Alex led Camp Alex and was a recognized leader of the 49ers 3 No other QB had nearly the chance to come to an agreement to come to the 9ers as early as Alex did before the CBA was signed and therefore would not have gotten a look at the playbook from other 9ers.
So in sum the situation forced Harbaugh to go with Alex. Given it’s worked pretty well this season. But, it could have gone better with a better QB and a full offseason which there will be this offseason. Whether we have a better QB in Kaepernick or Tolzien or a FA or Peyton will be up to Harbaugh to decide.
IN HARBAUGH I TRUST
by JoeMontanaND3SF16 on Nov 26, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
hasselbeck
didn’t we try to land Matt Hasselbeck?I remember him saying he picked tennessee because of CJ2.8 (so much for that), the o-line and a rookie named Jake Locker he knew from Washington.
by itsAteamGAME on Nov 26, 2011 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
You funny , guess you don't remember Trent & Jeds statements before they Hired Harbaugh ...
… Harbaugh went out of his way to ( Recruit ) AleX to come back to the Team , there was a hundred different directions this Team could have taken , but ( NO )Harbaugh spent hours looking at tape of AleX and made his…. ( Choice ) … there was know forced situation here .
Believe me bro , you can’t ( FORCE ) a head coach to do what he doesn’t want to do …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
You guys are nucking futs
Manning is one hit away from being a vegetable and one team, aka Washington, will end up giving up A LOT for him. No way the niners come close to signing manning.
by jonzer77 on Nov 26, 2011 4:42 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Naw
its not Harbaugh or Baalke’s MO… They want to build their team with the draft, and pick up small pieces off FA.
What are you talking about
Harbaugh doesn’t have an MO he had one offseason without a real offseason only with the guaranteed opportunity to draft players not even to trade for them.
by JoeMontanaND3SF16 on Nov 26, 2011 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
Ummm , there was Free / Agency as i do recall & the trade deadline ended in October , so there was both ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
you sir obviously have no clue about this team
it was stated by them in the offseason and after the draft that they want to emulate what the Packers are doing. Which is building their core through the draft.
Every player in this league, even scout team players are one hit away from a career ender. Hells yeah I’d take Manning. This team avgs 24 plus with Smith, Manning would make us a contender and bring more flags for the opposition.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
The niners are a more intriguing option
and more sensical option than the other teams you listed because the niners are in position, with a solid young defense, to challenge for a SB should PM leave the Colts.
Count me in on this. No other proven, veteran option at QB strikes my mind as possibly being a available this offseason. I would overpay PM for a year or two of his services.
I think no
It didn’t work out for the chiefs with Montana, it didn’t work out for the Vikings with Favre, and it wouldn’t work for us. In the last 20 years, how many teams have won a SB with this strategy? I can’t think of any who brought in a guy at the end of his career and won it all. All the teams that have won (and most of them that have even gone to the SB) have had a guy that grew up in the system. I want a dynasty, not a one and done.
WWJHD?
by NoDakNiner on Nov 27, 2011 1:29 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
i remember
watching this feature on Peyton’s hurry up offense/audibles. His teammates were so comfortable with all the crap that he would call out (some of them were fake signals just to confuse the defense) that when Peyton for example gave Harrison the “look” Harrison would know what route he was supposed to run. That comes from years and years of development on the same offense with minimal changes. Peyton is not gonna come to SF and absorb the playbook overnight and lead us to 3 superbowls. Its just not realistic. The chemistry will just not be there. dont forget Alex has been with vernon, delanie, frank and all those other guys for years. They dont just see one another for fun you know
I think this is pointless speculation because I truly believe Manning isn't going anywhere.
This season of the the Colts tanking is similar to the Spurs tanking for Duncan to me. The Spurs kept Robinson on after they acquired Duncan, and I believe the Colts will keep Manning on after they acquire Luck, if they acquire Luck.
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Revenge is ice cream.
DUNCAN AND ROBINSON WERE ON THE COURT AT THE SAME TIME BROSEPH
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by TryAndCatchVD on Nov 27, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
Your capslocks is loud.
That aside, no QB is ever really NFL ready straight out of college; yeah, they might not look as terrible, but ultimately, a rookie who rides the pine multiple years will have more success than one whose just thrown into the wild right out the gate.
I like Aaron Rodgers as an example; he rode the pine for three years, and as a result, never had a season where he’s thrown more interceptions than touchdowns.
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Revenge is ice cream.
Two daring predictions
I buy condoms, baby food, and trashbags at the store.
1) The clerk looks at me strangely
2) The baby doesn’t like carrots, my wife has a headache, and the trashcan is too big.
"I got two hard rules I live by, pop. I don't [site decorum] with the devil, and I never do tag teams with blood relatives" -Kenny Powers
by TryAndCatchVD on Nov 28, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Thank goodness our front office
is smarter than these dipsticks who want Manning. I’d rather see us get DeSean Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, or Vincent Young at WR, an OT/OG free agent to improve our O-line, and Cliff Aviril or some other DE to add rotation depth to our DL and provide a future replacement for cowboy J Smith. Bring in some of these free agents and you can then focus drafting CBs, rush OLBs, Safties and additional RB/TE depth in the draft.

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