For those haters comparing alex to rodgers
by Indosf on Nov 30, 2011 6:28 PM PST
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So the idea that football is a game of inches is more than just a cliche?
Look at our biggest play from our last drive of the Super Bowl. We're only up by three, and on third and 10, we run Greg Jennings down the middle of the field and connect for a 31-yard gain. If you look at that play on the game film from the end zone, Steelers corner Ike Taylor gets his pinky on the ball and changes the trajectory but not enough to make Greg drop it. If Taylor gets one more knuckle on the ball, everything changes. An inch one way or the other and it might be a totally different outcome in the Super Bowl. Afterward, everybody was like, "How did that happen?" But that's a play we've worked on for years. Years. That's where all this comes from -- to be able to step into that throw, with seven minutes left in the Super Bowl, up by less than a touchdown, knowing it's third down and you have to make a play. I've thrown that ball to Greg, that same exact ball, 100 times in practice. Same exact route. So when I break the huddle, that's what's flashing in my mind. I've completed this throw in my mind 1,000 times before the ball even leaves my hand.
Rodgers has had stability for years, whereas alex as we all know went through changes every year he has been in the league. If alex had continuity like Rodgers had, he could be playing lights out like in his utah days.
heres the link of the full conversation
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7295185/nfl-green-bay-aaron-rodgers-greatest-season-qb-ever-had
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And if Rodgers
played for the 49ers and got pummeled his first few years and had to go through all sorts of coaching turn over that Alex has then there is no saying how he would have turned out.
None of know what would have happened if the 2 had switched places.
What I do know is that all of the problems this franchise has faced over the last 8 years are not all Alex’s fault. Personally I feel comfortabel as Alex as our QB for years to come. We an offense that isn’t going to change as long as Harbaugh is here (even if we lose Greg Roman) and hopefully that is for a long time.
Here’s to the future.
Joe, Jerry, Steve, and....Who is next?
Mentors
Rodgers studied under brett Favre for several years, Alex was thrown in the fire as a rookie with Shawn Hll as his mentor. How would you like to start an NFL career?
This does not at all
suggest they are equivalent or even similar, just that they took different career paths
Sorry to correct you...
But Dilfer was our Qb after Alex was chosen. As for Aaron, Brett made it VERY clear while he was there in Green Bay, he had NO INTENTIONS of mentoring Rodgers. So that arguement goes out the window.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
It's not that Rodgers got mentored by Farve. That is incorrect
He got mentored by McCarthy and has spent 6 years in the same offensive system.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 3, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
McCarthy helped develop Rich Gannon in KC and Farve in GB as a QB coach then developed Rodgers on his own schedule as an HC
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 3, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
Follow the discussion...
Desrt Rat mentioned Rodgers was mentored by Farve. I corrected that. Be mindful of your attempts to correct. You had me all wrong. Besides, it was McCarthy’s job to TEACH Rodegers. FARVE said he wouldn’t help.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Wasn't correcting you
Was addressing your line of argument. You argued that Brett said he wasn’t gonna mentor Rodgers. I argued it didn’t matter because Rodgers had one of the guys that taught Favre and Rich Gannon to turn the corner. The other people involved in those guys were Mooch and Harbaugh.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 4, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Semantics...
Whether he was a d*ck or not is irrelevant. Whether he actually spoke to the guy or not, that’s irrelevant.
Favre did MENTOR Rodgers, because Rodgers watched the dude play and practice for THREE YEARS. That’s worth FAR MORE than any conversastion…
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Dec 7, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
What does it matter , it's been Seven years ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Not meant to be political , Jest in image alone ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
I don’t get it, what is the dead horse? Obama, or affordable health care?
Blue collar means we go to work, we do our job, we go home to our families. We don't ask for special treatment, and we don't take any crap.
We are just here to do our job to the best of our abilities, and we take pride in our work. You might not be impressed while you watch us work, if you cannot understand what we are doing. But when you see what we have accomplished you will be impressed.
We are blue collar, we are the ones who built every thing you see.
Seems like a decent draft
We got Smith, Gore and Snyder right? The Giants seem to like Baas.
Frank Gore is the best running back the 49ers ever had. Snyder should turn out to be a solid guard. Alex Smith wasn’t a bust after all, what more do you want?
Blue collar means we go to work, we do our job, we go home to our families. We don't ask for special treatment, and we don't take any crap.
We are just here to do our job to the best of our abilities, and we take pride in our work. You might not be impressed while you watch us work, if you cannot understand what we are doing. But when you see what we have accomplished you will be impressed.
We are blue collar, we are the ones who built every thing you see.
what more do you want?
for this conversation about Smith vs. Rodgers to die and never be mentioned again
by mcwagner on Dec 1, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well you just wait...
If the 49ers make it to Green Bay this winter, you’re going to hear a whole crapload of it.
Blue collar means we go to work, we do our job, we go home to our families. We don't ask for special treatment, and we don't take any crap.
We are just here to do our job to the best of our abilities, and we take pride in our work. You might not be impressed while you watch us work, if you cannot understand what we are doing. But when you see what we have accomplished you will be impressed.
We are blue collar, we are the ones who built every thing you see.
rec
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Dec 7, 2011 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
Don't be too put off, indosf. You've only had 6 posts here...
… but this topic has been discussed over and over and over and over again in the past.
I’ve only been here since early September, and even I’ve heard the Rodgers-Smith thing too many times to count.
So, even though I agree with your point, unless you have something extraordinarily new to add to the conversation (which is impossible!) then creating a whole fan post about the subject is just going to make people angry. :)
Cheers!
Alex Smith Will Win a Superbowl
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Alex-Smith-Will-Win-a-Superbowl/205058042848290
i know its been debated around for quite some time.
thought i can add something to it you know, since its coming from aaron himself.
Unless u got Rodgers admitting he wouldn't be half the player he is today had he been drafted by the Niners it won't make any difference
And Rodgers is an incredibly cocky dude. He’d never cop to that. He has that victim attitude despite having never been in a bad situation in his career.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 1, 2011 11:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He'd sooner say that he'd have taken the 2005 Niners to a 19-0 season
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 1, 2011 11:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Rodger's is cocky?
Maybe so in private circles, but his behavior is more calm confidence than cocky. I think hating A Rodge makes it easier for some niner fans who have internalized the agony of passing on a QB that may have changed the course of the franchise in the recent past and well into the future. Your assessment of Rodgers is blatantly inaccurate. Not that it pertains to this, but I’d rather have a cocky HOF QB than a humble, mediocre one. Truth is, both AR and AS are class acts, just one happens to be better and can get away with exuding confidence, while the other can’t.
I hate him because he thinks that belt around the waist thing is his
when really wrestlers have been doing it forever.
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
My understanding is that he knows wrestlers do it and is simply emulating them.
He is a fan of pro wrestling, after all. I’ve never heard him claim it’s “his” in the sense that he came up with it.
Alex Smith Will Win a Superbowl
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Alex-Smith-Will-Win-a-Superbowl/205058042848290
well I guess you've never seen that State Farm discount double check commercial lol
also I’m really just joking around, I don’t hate the guy for any reason really. He’s pretty good.
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
Great commercial.
Alex Smith Will Win a Superbowl
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Alex-Smith-Will-Win-a-Superbowl/205058042848290
Watch the E:60 on him.
He’s cocky as hell and has victim syndrome. Talking about how he’s always been the underdog and gotten the short end of the stick because he had to go to JC for a year before going to Cal.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 3, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
u want cocky swagger in a qb.
and a qb with something to prove. All the best have had that in common as Steve Young and Trent Dilfer said post-game last monday night
Confidence and cocky are two different things
Joe Cool was confident bordering on cocky. Jay Cutler is cocky.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 3, 2011 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
true, but I wouldn't put Rodgers into the Cutler/Rivers
arrogant,cocky category though.
by itsAteamGAME on Dec 4, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
...so...
…you guys eat dinner w/these dudes?
;D
C’mon… Cutler, Rivers, Rodgers, Montana, whoever. NONE OF US REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE LIKE.
Unless you have a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP W/THE DUDE, it’s pure speculation based on perception.
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Dec 7, 2011 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
I saw that
and that was quite a loose interpretation of Rodger’s attitude and demeanor. The guy was just restating a fact: nobody was interested in him out of HS or JC (except Cal) and it drove him to get better and put a chip on his shoulder to do well, not that he was so incredible and that people were fools for not seeing how great he was and would be.
The only time in the whole thing he didn't seem like he was thinking about how awesome he is
is when he was thinking about having to shovel poo at the farm.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 3, 2011 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
hahaha
You missed when he said “Im the greatest poo shoveler of all time!”
by itsAteamGAME on Dec 4, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
I dread to think what will happen if the 49ers play GB in the playoffs
If it’s been talked about a lot here, just wait until the national media gets a hold of it. BTW, Smith would never have gone to GB if the 49ers chose Rodgers. He probably would have gone to the Bucs at #5. You could also ask the question, what if Leinart skipped his Senior year? The 49ers would have taken him instead of Smith. I was upset when he skipped the draft that year but looking back it worked out better for the 49ers in the long run.
In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
Ur-grounded in reality
Leinart (ala Luck) was the #1 QB I didn’t want. Alex was always my boy for his ability to run the Utah offense so perfectly. When Alex had his pro day Rodgers wasnt just in the rear-view mirror but far in it… But Alex was always rated behind Leinart who was a 2 year best player in the country as per the media. (They’ll be wrong again with Luck)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 2, 2011 12:02 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Alex Rodgers? Aaron Smith?
Honestly I think if there was a Quarterback in the league who most reminds me of Alex Smith it’s Aaron Rodgers. I know you think I’m crazy but the similarities are there. The only difference I notice is Aaron has a quicker release. The both are mobile QBs, both able to throw on the run and both are accurate. Alex Smith coming out of Utah was the more accurate QB and was touted as such, I have high hopes for Alex and I know he will achieve them.
I believe in excellence. I believe in Alex Smith.
Wow........Best thing i like about Rodgers is poise. Alex steuggles with it.
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
10-2
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Dec 9, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
90ish rating (guessing, don't know the actual number) after 12 GAMES......
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Dec 9, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
I'm seeing IMPROVED poise, accuracy
pocket presence, confidence, coverage reading, instincts….and the list goes on.
( ;-D )
(See!?? See what I did there!!??? I took what YOU said, THENNNNN I added……)
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Dec 9, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Wow...
well, the AS set himself apart from others to the Niners was his ability to roll out of the pocket and throw on the run…oddly enough, these are two things that A Rodge excels at, while AS does not. There is not one aspect of the game where AS is on par with AR, let alone better.
He's better looking!!!
(take that!)
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Dec 9, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Not once did you capitalize Alex's name.
Is that because you don’t think his name deserves the respect? You capitalized Greg Jennings and Super Bowl. You capitalize the “R” in Rodgers, why would you not want to capitalize Alex’s name? Am I reading too much into this?
Blue collar means we go to work, we do our job, we go home to our families. We don't ask for special treatment, and we don't take any crap.
We are just here to do our job to the best of our abilities, and we take pride in our work. You might not be impressed while you watch us work, if you cannot understand what we are doing. But when you see what we have accomplished you will be impressed.
We are blue collar, we are the ones who built every thing you see.
2012
I think for one season only Alex should play for GG and Rodgers for 49ers. Then the wondering will be over.
GG=Green -- ?
Goblin?
Giant?
Grocer?
Goatfarm?
Blue collar means we go to work, we do our job, we go home to our families. We don't ask for special treatment, and we don't take any crap.
We are just here to do our job to the best of our abilities, and we take pride in our work. You might not be impressed while you watch us work, if you cannot understand what we are doing. But when you see what we have accomplished you will be impressed.
We are blue collar, we are the ones who built every thing you see.
I think Alex should get 3 years to learn McCarthy's PB and Rodgers 1 year to learn Alex's.
THEN the debat would be over.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 2, 2011 12:05 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
end result would still be......
Rodgers is better…!!
I don't want to be greedy, but I want it to be useful, because if everybody agrees that they're more predictable, we know what we're going to get week to week, then why not? Why say: "Good year. We went to the playoffs. We went one-and-out. But, boy, next year! Look what we can do!" No, we're here! -S Young
Better, that is...
…by a few hundred orders of magnitude.
People who hate Smith compare him to Dilfer, by comparsion to which he looks truly elite, and people that are head over heels in love with him compare him to Rogers, by comparison with which he looks like a Pop Warner qb. It’s theater of the absurd.
What’s the basis for a Rogers Smith comparison? Oh, they were taken in the same round in the same draft not to mention he’s got fewer facebook friends in common than he does with Stafford. Iron friggin clad.
Smith should win a Superbowl. This year even better. That will punch his ticket to be considered always and everywhere a good to great NFL qb. Regardless, he’s not nor will he ever be mentioned in the same breath as Aaron Rogers.
You mentioned them both in the same sentence so.......
Isn’t that pretty much considered the same as the same breath?
Regardless, he’s not nor will he ever be mentioned in the same breath as Aaron Rogers.
I’ve heard these two mention together more times than peanut butter and jelly.
Blue collar means we go to work, we do our job, we go home to our families. We don't ask for special treatment, and we don't take any crap.
We are just here to do our job to the best of our abilities, and we take pride in our work. You might not be impressed while you watch us work, if you cannot understand what we are doing. But when you see what we have accomplished you will be impressed.
We are blue collar, we are the ones who built every thing you see.
I see that ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Would have, Could have, Should have
Does it matter at this point? At best Smith is Steve Young pulled off the scrap heap, and that’s a stretch. At worst he is John Brodie, just good enough to make you cry.
Go Forty Niners!
I have NO DOUBT in my mind that these two guys are equals!
YES, EQUALS! If any of you put Mr Rodgers in the same scenario as our Alex has been in, I defy you to prove different outcomes! As I see it presently and realistically, Alex will get his chance to shine! Perhaps not this year, we will see, but certainly in the near future! The rest of you haters, go find a wall to bang your head against or better, a rock to climb under or become Cheesehead fans! Sheesh! Support our team people!
Enough said above! I can't believe the "t-raiders" are going to play in OUR stadium! Bastards!
by 23mjheart on Dec 2, 2011 4:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions
You are HIGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH.......
Rodgers is better right now than ANYONE WHO’S EVER PLAYED…
Alex is playing well.
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Dec 9, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
To anyone comparing Rogers to any quarterback in the league...
Stop wasting your time. There’s no comparison. This season is unlike any other.
What if we drafted Tom Brady and not Giovanni Carmazzi
This post would be irrelevent.
Brady would have gotten injured and run out of the league. He's never been able to pass effectively without a perfect pocket
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 3, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
He’s never been able to pass effectively without a perfect pocket
SHOck-D was talking about Brady, not Alex Smith…
As per Mike Sando last year
Brady was the 3rd lowest rated QB when under pressure.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 3, 2011 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Here's the best I can find from this year - Brady still stinks when pressured - Also from Sando while talking about Sam Bradford
Tom Brady and Matt Cassel, rank 1-2 in fewest percentage of passes delivered under duress. It’s not necessarily the system, in other words. Brady has a lower NFL passer rating than Bradford (30.6 to 39.6) in these situations, having completed 9 of 26 passes for 98 yards and an interception. Cassel’s rating (13.5) ranks last in the league.
Source http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/49042/how-quarterbacks-perform-under-duress ^ Proof that Brady stinks when pressured
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 3, 2011 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
thats clearly wrong.
Sando is referring to the 2011 season as of October 20th. I also doubt his numbers on Brady, because I remember him throwing a 99-yd TD pass to welker vs. Miami when they brought 6 or 7. That alone would not make his rating a 30..
this article shows Brady’s numbers versus pressure as of Oct. 7th
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/10/07/signature-stats-snapshot-passing-under-pressure/
As far as last year,
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-07-12/underrated-nfl-stats-quarterback-production-against-the-blitz
by itsAteamGAME on Dec 4, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Just because they BRING pressure doesn't mean he actually gets pressured
Brady has always had spectacular pass protection. The guy gets 6 and 7 seconds to pass way more often than once or twice a game.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 4, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Gimmee a break...
So how exactly does this STAT (argh!!!!) work?
Does Mike Sando have some magic formula that factors in the amount of times that…
…BRADY ISN’T PRESSURED BECAUSE HE GETS THE BALL OUT OF HIS HAND SO GODDARNED QUICKLY?
These continued attempts to marginalize one of the INARGUABLY greatest players in the HISTORY OF THE NFL, they are comical.
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Dec 7, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
Sando does stuff like go through and time pass pro with a stopwatch
He’s a Seachicken homer but he does go to a tremendous amount more effort than anybody else at ESPN or pretty much anybody on the web for that matter.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2011 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
Just stoppppppppppppp...........
(sigh)
So 4 Super Bowls and 3 Titles all because of the magical (yet elusive!)……
“PERFECT POCKET”!
:-/
Just stop.
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Dec 9, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Watch his next game and count the number of time he's goes through all his reads and STILL has time for a play to develop
Maybe he makes 1 guy miss in that whole time. The guy gets a tremendous pocket. He has as great a pass blocking line as any elite QB has ever had and he’s a product of it. Payton unloads the ball much much much quicker. When Brady is actually getting hit he’s TERRIBLE.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
He's not "Terrible" when he's getting hit
Again w/the hyperbole…
Yeah, he’s not as good (like ALL QB’s) when he’s consistently getting crunched. And he struggles even more because of his VERY limited mobility.
But the guy’s one of THE GREATEST to ever play the position… Not arguable. The “Cassel went in and killed it too…” talk, so out of context it’s not even funny. Cassel had a nice year. He’s a decent player. But Cassel didn’t go 50-8, 36-4, etc… Cassel didn’t even lead them into the playoffs.
Arguing against the greatness of Brady is like arguing against the greatness of Montana… Arguable the Joe’s NOT the GOAT? Sure. Arguable that he wasn’t GREAT? Not on your life. Same thing w/Brady.
And give Brady some credit for the time he gets to throw. He’s as good as ANYONE who’s ever played at getting his time lined up correctly in the right play and the right protection. Nobody does more at the LOS before the snap re protections, and what Brady has to do re protections is FAR more complex than Manning (Manning does more w/adjusting the actual PLAY, but they are nowhere near as complex formationally).
And after taking a BEATING the entire game in the Super Bowl v the Giants, Brady STILL found a way to drive the PATS down for what looked like the GW TD. That’s in the SUPER BOWL… Calling him “terrible” when he’s getting hit is silly.
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Dec 10, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
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