49er Defense vs Giants: what to expect this Sunday.
This season has seen tremendous variation in the percentage of base vs nickel defense the 49ers use. For example; against the Skins, the 49ers were in base defense for about 32 our of 69 snaps, while against the Lions in week 6, the niners were in base only about 15 out of 83 snaps (and thus played nickel or dime 68 times!). The generous use of base vs the Skins might seem surprising since Washington passed on all but 15 of the offensive snaps. Presumably, however, this choice was part of a game plan to force the opposition to pass, with the sense that Beck would struggle even against the 49ers base defense. This weekend the expectation is quite the opposite I believe.
Because Manning is quite good, and the NY running game has been ineffective, I would expect the niners to employ a great deal of Nickel, even on 1st down. To state the obvious, this gets Culliver on the field to enhance the secondary and Aldon Smith at ROLB to enhance the (4-man) pass rush. Although there may be some blitzing, I think a key to stopping Manning and the Giants is the ability to create pressure with a 4-man rush so that we can maintain a full 7 in coverage most of the time. I would be surprised if Sopoaga plays much more than 15 snaps unless he is subbing at left tackle in the nickel.
The 49ers have an unusual nickel in the sense that both ILBs, Willis and Bowman, stay in. In fact, they play every defensive snap including all nickel and dime. On dime, I think, one OLB comes out and Reggie Smith comes in as a 6th defensive back. The tremendous speed and ability of NaVorro Bowman, and of course Willis, thus lets the 49ers play an unusual scheme.
I do not think that any other team in the NFL (correct me if this is wrong) has ILBs who play every snap or, equivalently, who play in nickel and dime defenses routinely. The excellence of their man coverage underneath is noteable. I also believe that there is no team with more speed at ILB.
The dime has only a 3 man pass rush unless Willis, Bowman, Whitner, Goldson or a corner blitzes. (I think this happens in the dime about 1/3 of the time). To summarize,, I would expect A LOT (80%) of pas defense and very little base. I think the prospect of Manning trying to go deep against base on 1st down is something the 49ers are aware of a will try to avoid. We can probably expect to see a lot of "two - man" defense, in which Goldson and Whitner play zone fairly deep over the middle, and the ILB's and corners provide man coverage underneath (and sometimes further down the field as needed). This will be an important test of the 49er pass defense.
Final thoughts, some have criticized Goldson for his coverage abilities. I think one should also consider that his hitting effects the other teams receivers in ways that do not show up in his stats specifically. Starting with Willis, adding Bowman and two pretty hard hitting safeties, makes going over the middle against the 49ers not exactly a walk in the park. If you do not get crushed, you may get stripped or, what else?
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There has been some talk of similarities between this years defense and last years, at least in terms of personnel. Actually I think they are very different.
new secondary coach and got rid of the garbage secondary coach that was screwing it up for years.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 9, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
yes it was.
tarrel brown was horrible. now he is a pretty good starter. spencer played better in his limited time. the secondary coach was awful and should have been canned after his first year.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 9, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
I think Brown is still horrible
just hasn’t been exposed much this year.
ok not horrible but…he should be better IMO
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Nov 12, 2011 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
Didja just reply to youself 5 times , might want to get that checked ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
redskins seemed to be targeting culliver many times. I wonder if the giants will be doing the same thing.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
Eli spreads it around a lot and reads presnap very well
so he’ll want to set you guys up to worry about everyone and then probably pick on the rookie at more key moments.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
hope he throws at carlos rodgers then
i can see rodgers second pick six coming
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 9, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
Thinkin " Eli throws Two picks this game ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
guess we'll find out
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
It's been said before
But you’re far and away the most mature guest we’ve ever had over here. Most people would read that silliness and write a 500 word essay decrying the Niners’ secondary, how Eli lit up Rodgers in the good ol’ days, rookies, how Eli is waaaayy better than his brother, and other escalating nonsense.
Suffice to say, thank you for always being a gentleman (or lady), and taking the high road.
Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.
-randolphforpresident
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 9, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
nope, who is going to get those pics in their secondary?
secondly alex pics this year have come from alex and the person catching the ball being on different pages as far as the route or timing. that aspect has improved as the season has progressed.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 9, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
well Corey Webster has like 3 in his past 4 games
and let one literally slip thru his fingers last week, that would’ve made it 3 picks on the day for pretty boy Brady. we do get our share of picks too, so it can happen.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Brady sucks though. He's an overrated gimmick.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 11, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
yep
A big part of that solid NY pass rush is attributable to the solid downfield coverage from their secondary. an underrated bunch IMO
No not really... Osi and Tuck have been elite for a while and JPP was a pass rush freak in college
Now he’s one in the NFL.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 11, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
A strong run game
is probably key to slowing down their pass rush. The 50/50 mix of pass and run makes it risky for them to guess and just tee it up. That seemed effective against Detroit. (Which is why i think Steve Young’s suggestion (40 passes) made little sense this week.)
two or three.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 9, 2011 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
He actually had a pretty good game against Washington. But yes, yes he will.
"When you're failing to prepare, you're actually preparing to fail. That's the way we look at it. And we're not going to do that." - Donte Whitner
by SanFranciscoKnights on Nov 9, 2011 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
lol true
"When you're failing to prepare, you're actually preparing to fail. That's the way we look at it. And we're not going to do that." - Donte Whitner
by SanFranciscoKnights on Nov 9, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
they have not attacked him this year. only seen culliver targeted. freeman went after him but got picked. culliver needs another pic to get people to back off.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 9, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
McCoy picked on him a lot two weeks ago.
"When you're failing to prepare, you're actually preparing to fail. That's the way we look at it. And we're not going to do that." - Donte Whitner
by SanFranciscoKnights on Nov 9, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks zack
For dudes like me who grew up overseas where no American football was played or televised and only have a general knowledge of defensive scheming, it helps to read these kinds of specific posts.
Here is a possible " Brooks dime"
Brooks McDonald JustinSmith
Willis Bowman
Culliver Rogers ReggieSmith Brown
Whitner Goldson
Yeah, Aldon dime is good too, maybe even better.
McDonald JustinS AldonS
Willis Bowman
Culliver Rogers ReggieSmith Brown
Whitner Goldson
New dime packages
One might expect to see some new dime packages this week. Possibly with Bowman coming out. For example:
Brooks McDonald JustinSmith Aldon Smith
Willis
and the dime-package secondary:
(Culliver, Rogers, Brown, Whitner, Goldson, Smith)
or:
Brooks JustinSmith AldonSmith
Willis Bowman
and the dime package secondary.
Both of these are probably more effective against the deep passing game than the dime the 49ers have used recently (and more vulnerable to the run).
Basically, these dimes challenge the other team to try to run the ball.
Good post!
Another added benefit of the nickel is that RJF now has less responsibility to get pressure. Playing as a 4 man DE gets him to where he needs to be…eating up OLinemen.
also, Parly is playing fantastic football, but he’s a bit of a run specialist. Personnel-wise, there’s less of an impetus to get him on the field this weekend.
And Goldson…he also effects the game in that he plays pretty effectively in the run, allowing the niners a little extra stopping power when the extra LB’s not there.
my bad....
RJF actually plays the part of interior DL on the 4 man line with Justin and Aldon playing the ends.

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