MNF: What You Probably Didn't See On TV
Hey Everybody! Somebody gave my sister two free tickets to the MNF game (still wonder how all those Steeler fans got tickets?) so I was lucky enough to get to go. I have some interesting observations that you probably didn't get to see on tv and probably won't hear about from the beat writers.
Lights, Camera, LIGHTS??!?
The first power outage was actually pretty funny to those of us at the game. Everything was set up for the players to come running out of the helmet with all the usual pomp and circumstance. It was going to happen any second. Then, suddenly, most of the lights went out (think the lighting at the Shark Tank when the Sharks take the ice). It was a bit startling, but everyone thought it was part of the act. The crowd went totally nuts. It took a minute for us to realize that this wasn't just a really cool way to send the team onto the field. Personally, I only realized when I saw that the helmet had deflated. That made me realize the truth. What made the situation really interesting was that the PA system was down as well, so nobody could make an announcement to the fans telling them what was going on and not to worry.
After the first blackout, we had a good chuckle and I jokingly told my sister that at least it didn't happen in the middle of the game. Silly me, cause later we had the second blackout. During the second incident, some idiot ran onto the field, and many more (in our section at least) were muttering about doing the same thing. Poor fool wasn't even good at it though. He ran right into the security folks. Personally, I wish he'd run out to the 49ers logo on the 50 and started Tebowing. If you're going to get yourself arrested, you should at least go out in grand style! (I later saw a clip on the internet of Worthlessburger saying "Where's James Harrison when you need him?" Lol!)
The power outages themselves really weren't that bad. Power was restored fairly quickly. However, the big delays were caused because every time the power came back they had to wait the usual 15-20 minutes for the huge lights to warm back up (as is the case with all of those kinds of lighting systems so far as I know). In the meantime, the fans had a good time with it, including loud boos and cheers as the power went in and out, and there were several chants of "new stadium".
Security Incidents
The big story that I bet you won't hear anywhere is about the security incidents that happened during the game. During the post-game wrap-up on KNBR, some guy claiming to be a volunteer with ESPN called into the show and said the big issue was two bomb threats that happened during the game. This may seem like a wild rumor, but I can testify to the legitimacy of it.
Early in the game about 7 or 8 cops hurried past our seats in the upper deck. This caused quite a stir as we all thought there must be a fight. However, it was still early, there was no visible fight (let alone one large enough to need that many cops), and there were no visible event security personnel (the ones in the yellow jackets that are always at the scene of fights).
After the second black-out a whole ton of cops came out and set up a perimeter on the field between the fans and players and playing field. They stood there the entire rest of the came alertly scanning the audience. They were joined shortly after their initial appearance by a whole host of Yellow Jackets who formed a perimeter between the cops and the fans, and they too spent the rest of the game scanning the audience. Though a little extreme, I figured this was because they were afraid someone might run onto the field during another outage and attack one of the players.
The last piece of the puzzle was the police patrols. The whole second half there were three-man patrols of cops roaming around the upper decks (I don't know about the lower sections).
I didn't pay much attention to any of these things at the time, but looking back it totally makes sense if there were bomb threats. Serious kudos to the police, security, and the folks running everything behind the scenes. Nobody really realized anything unusual was going on, everything stayed perfectly calm, and the game ran relatively smoothly considering the circumstances. I wouldn't have a problem going to anything game from the stand-point of security. These guys clearly did a good job locking the place down and doing it without arousing unwanted attention. I personally trust them.
In-Game Tidbits
Dashon Goldson is a bit like Chilo Rachal. On tv you always see him making plays. But if you're at the game, you'll notice he gets out of position quite a bit. There were several times a corner thought he had safety help but Dashon absentmindedly let them run by him before he realized he needed to get his butt over there. It's lucky Ben missed a couple of those long balls because they would probably have been touchdowns. Dashon was still a good 5 yards behind the play trying to catch up. He also tends to whiff as much as anything. Sometimes he lays a guy out, other times he bounces off the guy AND knocks the corner out of the play too.
Alex Smith IS having trouble looking downfield. On tv you can't always tell if he's dumping it off because our guys aren't getting open or if Alex just isn't looking downfield. Well, I can safely tell you that it's a bit of both. Our guys do have some trouble getting open. However, Alex Smith is frustrating as heck to watch. There were numerous times where he'd have a receiver (Williams in particular) isolated on the outside with the safeties creeping into the box. Alex needs to recognize that one on one matchup.
Also, there were plenty of times where a guy was open downfield but Alex dumped it off the guy in between him and the open man. Worse, Alex would often give the deep routes a look right away before the receiver is anywhere close to ready, and he'd immediately give up on the deep route and lock on to the dump-off option. SUPER FRUSTRATING! That isn't even mentioning the 3 touchdown passes he flat-out missed (wheel-route to Crabtree, screen to Gore on the outside, and the one where Williams was wide open but Alex tried to rifle it by the defender instead of lofting it over him). Our receivers are doing a pretty good job and Alex just isn't taking advantage. There was one play in particular where Williams was open beyond the short route, but Alex dumped it off instead. Williams was SUPER upset!
Don't get me wrong, Alex is managing the game well enough. But our offensive woes can definitely be blamed a lot on him. There comes a time when you need to force things. Like I've said before, you can't beat the Packers (or the Ravens or the Cardinals!) if you just keep playing it safe and dumping it off. Throwing a 2 yard pass on 3rd and 15 is STUPID! Keep your eyes downfield and look for someone to come open past the first down marker.
Kyle Williams is a beast. We keep throwing it to him 3rd down for a reason. He's the one guy on our team that we can trust to catch the ball every time. Heck, he almost made a spectacular diving catch on a horribly thrown pass (in the 3rd quarter I believe?). Look for those times he has one on one matchups. If you throw the ball at him, he'll come down with it 95% of the time that it is humanly possible. GET THE MAN THE BALL! (Why no slants to him? He'd be DEADLY on those!)
Our special teams unit is AWESOME! Besides their spectacular play on the field, our kick-off guys actually DANCE before they kick! It's really fun to watch. They get into their clump before spreading out along the line, and while in that clump they dance and try to pump up the crowd. Several of them have some good moves. If I got the numbers right, it looked like Tavares Gooden had the best dance skills.
I think we had an actual 4-reciever set. Looked like Swain wide left with Williams, Ginn, and Crabtree clumped on the right (could be wrong on that, but whatever it was it was cool!)
We had one play on defense where we had 3 safeties on the field. Whitner was up in the box almost like a LB, Goldson was matched up one-on-one with a WR as if he were a corner, and Reggie Smith was playing center field. This play failed horribly and I hope we never do it again. Goldson doesn't have the necessary corner skills (quickness etc) to cover a guy like that, and Ben (like a good QB) exploited the matchup.
We used Joe Staley as a decoy. He reported as an eligible receiver and did the same route he caught a pass on earlier in the year. The Steelers were smart and covered it, but that gave Crabtree the space he needed to get open on the outside just beyond him. That was one of the touchdown passes that Smith should NOT have missed.
Speaking of eligible players, it's cool being at the game because you can hear the refs announce the eligible players. It's like "who's number 67? Wait, we have two linemen as eligible receivers??" It's actually awesome too because you can see how it confuses the defense. The defenders are trying to make sure they cover any sneaky trick play and consequently get pushed out of the way for a nice run by Gore (or a nice wide open Crabtree!)
THE TERRIBLE TOWELS!! Gah!! Seemed like there were as many Steeler fans as Niners. Was like they had a home game. Oh yes, and those puny foam sticks we were handed at the game were totally useless and whoever thought of them should be fired. (Personally, I'm still fond of "thunder sticks".) Still, it was nice to shut them up. We had one obnoxious fan in our section who kept chanting "Let's Go Steelers", or saying "Whiners" after we said Niners. She was the ONLY one and she didn't care. After we scored our first touchdown, one clever fan turned to her and said "Let's go Steelers! Oh wait..." :D
JIM HARBAUGH GETS WHAT HE WANTS! Oh man! You know how the offense was complaining about our idiot fans doing the wave when we were on offense during an earlier game? Well the Niners spent this whole last week sending out reminders to shut up when we're on offense and bring the noise on defense. At the game, there were male cheerleaders holding up "hush" signs, and the signs that say things like "LOUDER" said something like "Quiet offense at work", and there were all kinds of things like that. Jim Harbaugh must've been super upset because the organization clearly went all out to ensure quiet when we had the ball. It mostly worked too!
Transportation/Logistics
Everybody knows by now that getting into and out of Candlestick Park really sucks, but I'd like to reiterate this in a little bit more detail because I think the Niners and San Fran really laid an egg with this game.
First off, with our free game tickets we also got free passes to a one of those "49er Experience" type buses. The company that ran this bus really blew it big time. The bus passes said the bus would leave at 3:00. However, the bus was apparently scheduled to leave at 2:45. This was not apparent anywhere on their website. There was something about buses for 5:00 games leaving at 2:45, but nothing about 5:30 games. We got there at about 2:45 and had some trouble parking. We pulled up by the bus and told the driver we were coming with him and asked for parking advice. He told us he had no idea, but fortunately we found some right across the street. However, after paying for parking and walking back around the corner, the bus was gone. WTH?? According to our passes it wasn't supposed to leave until 3:00 AND the driver knew we'd be there any minute (After parking we got to the stop at 2:51.) So that's pretty lame, and even more so because we then had to pay for gas to drive to the stadium and $30 to park in the far outdoor lot (ridiculous price for horrible parking).
When we got down to Candlestick there were signs directing customers paying for parking with cash to exit at 3rd Street. We pretty much knew that was BS as you can access the cash lots from the other exit as well (forgetting what it's called). Following the amber message signs erected by the city took us another 30 minutes from the exit to time we got to the parking lot. That is an absurd amount of time for such a short distance.
Now, in order to get from the massive far parking lot to the stadium you must cross a narrow, rickety wooden bridge. This creates a horrible bottleneck. The crowd trying to cross the bridge after the game was a nightmare. Took us a good 20 minutes to cross the dang thing, and people farther back probably had to wait at least 30 minutes.
After the game, when you finally get to your car, traffic does not move. Where we were parked, traffic did not move one single inch for almost an entire hour! You'd think it would at least inch along, but no, not inch did it move. Most people just shut their cars off and waited it out. In the end, we figured out that if you went to the opposite end of the lot you could get out no problem. But there were no signs telling you that, and nobody directing traffic, so TONS of people sat in a massive line that never moved when they could have been halfway home.
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BTW
I know there will be countless jokes about Jed York being responsible for the power outages. But nobody seems to have thought of the other possible culprit in this conspiracy theory world:
“The city of San Francisco cut the power as a way of getting revenge for the 49ers leaving!”
“Newsom did it!”
Not a troll
by Riding The F Train on Dec 20, 2011 3:56 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Newsom is no longer mayor
But the power outtage says more about SF govt incompetence than it says anything about the Niners.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Thanks for posting
In all fairness, the pass to Williams in the end zone was not on Alex. Kyle needs to sit down in the zone, instead of running behind the LB that isn’t watching him. Only thing Alex really could have done differently is wait another 2s for Kyle to maybe cross the LB, while risking getting sacked.
Missing Crabtree was super annoying…mostly because the ball was so damn far out of bounds.
Alex made some nice throws, though. The floater to VD was beautiful. The long first down to Crabs at the 2 was awesome. It was a good game for him overall, especially the drive after the Steelers scored their FG. Sustaining a long drive after a terrible Ginn return and overcoming a 1st and 20 was clutch.
he's gotten consistent on certain throws, like that come back route
he still throws it high for my taste ( forcing the receivers to make tough catches ), but it’s there every time.
he frustrates me with the immediate check downs, and he only attacks blitzes to the outside, never ( or very rarely ) over the top or over the middle. The Steelers were leaving the middle of the field open on a couple blitzes and Alex took the quick throw to the outside for little or no gain.
The red-zone is still a symptom though, they had at least 5 3 and outs again, they were 4/13 on 3rd down.
Those up the sideline throws are maddening, I just don’t get it. He can’t be as inaccurate as he has shown on those throws. Why is he trying to fit it there instead of getting some more air and leading them up the side line? Worried about interceptions?
The win is big, very important, they need to win out. But I can’t help but see the same mistakes they’ve been making the last 5 or 6 weeks. They were lucky to face the Steelers with a hobbled Reoth, a suspended Harrison, an injured lineman, a missed fg etc, but a win is a win.
Further side note, there’s really something to be said about the offensive line playing much better at home than on the road. I get it in Detroit, but not really anywhere else. Is it nerves? Game on Saturday scares me.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 20, 2011 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
I also don't get what he's trying to do on the sideline throws
I think there was some pressure on the throw to Crabs, but the safety is so far out of the picture. I wouldn’t be half as annoyed if the throw landed near the sideline and a couple steps past Crabs in the end zone. The 5 yards out of bounds…sigh…
Maybe he can’t see well over the middle on blitzes – no idea. I thought VD was open for a quick pass when he forced the ball to Swain on the slant. Just dump it right before he turns around – nothing the LB can do.
DB got there early on Swain I thought.
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The fact that it lands out of bounds is a decision-making issue rather than an accuracy one.
If it landed close but not close enough, then it would be accuracy. Personally, I prefer the former, because that can and will be corrected as Alex continues to be more comfortable in the offense. When Alex commits to the deep throw, he’s actually as accurate as anyone.
he only attacks blitzes to the outside, never ( or very rarely ) over the top or over the middle.
Higher percentage pass. More of a chance for a DL to get his hands on a pass resulting in a tip and potential turnover. I don’t mind that he doesn’t attack a blitz coming up the gut.
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Didnt know about the bomb threats
but now that you mention it during halftime they had a uniformed officer and a K9 sniffing the Steelers sideline.
by Frisco_Kid on Dec 20, 2011 6:23 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Congratulations 49ers and their fans.
I got an idea……….Lets hook up again for the SB. I want a rematch in a Stadium that has better lighting and with a QB that is healthy. Escuses……check!
Thanks for entertaining my presence here on niner nation the past week. I don’t have a bad word to say about anyone here. Y’all were good hosts to another “arrogant” Steeler fan.
Good luck the rest of the way
I enjoyed beating up Ben, but hopefully he didn’t sustain any worse injuries. Good luck finishing the the season and enduring your troll.
By the way...
There are dozen of tricks to getting in and out of Candlestick!!! For exsample i left the game at the end last night and was in bed all the way to Benicia by 10:15 last night, even stopped by McDonalds!!!! If you or anyone need advice for future games let me know because i surely learned the hard way also and sitting in line to leave while watching people cut you off from every direction just makes a horrible way to end an evening.
by Frisco_Kid on Dec 20, 2011 6:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions
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Very insightful post. Its nice getting an inside look at the game. The TV viewing experience is really nice these days, with multudes of HD cameras and professionals operating them. But you don’t get to see the full field in view very much.
I want to applaud the fans in attendance for keeping cool and not acting like asshats. I am glad a lot of Steelers fans were there. Steeler world is alive and well.
As far as the one fan and her, here we go Steelers, some of us are little over exuberant at times. see steeler fever. Question for you. Was she still cheering em on in the 4th, when the game was all but over?
Goldson
Well said, he’s long been the weak link in our secondary and is still the main reason why we get burned deep fairly regularly, whether it’s being out of position or just flat out whiffing on a tackle. He is getting a ton of interceptions, but I honestly can’t remember a single one where he made a great play. Alot of them are off tips, and the rest are just brutal throws by QBs.
I highly doubt there was a bomb threat
Not to mention there’s video of the transformer blowing so the blackouts would have nothing to do with any bomb…sounds like stupid rumors to me.
Also to touch on another point, a lot of teams would throw a 2 yard pass on 3rd and 15. It is almost always frustrating as a fan, but it is a conservative call when you have the defense the 9ers do, not necessarily a stupid one.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
Williams was wide open but Alex tried to rifle it by the defender instead of lofting it over him)
WTF. The linebacker was like 2 yards from the back of the endzone. How was Alex supposed to loft the ball over him?
Over
by cybermaldonado on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 AM PST reply actions
Which is why our angle, watching the TV and seeing the replays, offers a better insight into that play.
Clearly on Williams. Had Alex tried to throw to him on the numbers, it would have been blocked or worse.
Thunder stix are awful
Fans should make their own noise or not bother coming.
You made some good observations. The one about Goldson is true, though on some deep passes he can’t be expected to get to the sideline because he also middle responsibilities to cover a receiver heading to the post. Still, the missed tackles are frustrating and have increased the two games Willis has missed. I don’t think that’s an accident.
I did hear on the news this morning that a bomb threat had been called in and was confirmed as false. I think the security people surrounded the field during the blackout to prevent any fans from taking advantage and trying to get out there, as one idiot did.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Kyle Williams is a beast. We keep throwing it to him 3rd down for a reason. He’s the one guy on our team that we can trust to catch the ball every time. Heck, he almost made a spectacular diving catch on a horribly thrown pass (in the 3rd quarter I believe?). Look for those times he has one on one matchups. If you throw the ball at him, he’ll come down with it 95% of the time that it is humanly possible. GET THE MAN THE BALL! (Why no slants to him? He’d be DEADLY on those!)
He keeps getting more and more….
On TV, they announced him as the starter. That was his first official start in his career… and HOPEFULLY not his last. He has worked hard to get to that point. He will most likely be getting another one against Seattle (I hope). Braylon sure in the hell doesn’t deserve it.
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braylon
how would you know?
its not like you know anything about his injuries
Are his hands injured?
When he is been in there, he had dropped a helluva lot of passes. I really don’t care to be honest. I have seen enough from him to know I really don’t want his ass in the game. Especially when we have guys who have EARNED playing time.
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I agree
kyle should be starting but braylon showed promise at the beginning of the season. i guess my point is hes been limited in practice most of the season and that has undoubtedly affected his timing and his ability to make catches.
Beginning of the season?
You mean like preseason? When games don’t count or matter?
What has he done in the regular season besides a couple 6-7 yard catches here and there? Hell, I think Dom Zeigler could have managed what Braylon has this year… injuries or not.
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I mean, I cannot even tell you how pissed I have been in the amount of jump balls that were right there for him
that he has dropped…. that’s what we got him for… RZ stuff…. I just feel like there may be a rookie or another FA that gives us that play a little more sure-handed.
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at the moment yes
and that is what the coaches decided, but im just not making him out to be a villain given the circumstances
No "villian"
Just not very good… And I think back to the Browns and Jets and I believe that there is good reason they let him go with no reservations about it. I believe (and hope) that the Niners do the same so we can fill that roster spot with someone else.
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Braylon was held out of the game due to performance, not injury.
It appears Harbaugh agrees with Drew on this one.
Also
Another very well-written article RTFT … keep up the good work. I think a lot of people like reading these pieces from you.
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we talk out of both sides of our mouth. I can’t stand to read game threads because of everyone cursing Roman’s play calling. this is truly moronic. are team only stands a chance against high powered offenses if we do exactly what we did last night. we play incredible defense and hope our offense can put together some long clock eating drive.
it really seems like jim is happy with ok with just one or two first downs on some drives just so we can win the field position battle like we did last night. with a punter like andy lee all we have to do is make it to our own 30 yard line, which ted ginn usually takes care of on his own (fine he usually makes it to the 28.3). we punt from our 30-40 which puts most teams inside their 20 against our d. if we hold them to a 3 and out we get the ball back around midfield with + possible punt return from ginn we could be in field goal range when the offense gets back on the field, and at that point you dont want to take to many risks, because TO’s = points off the board.
I here people begging for screens to gore, and from my observations gore has struggled to catch the ball this year and alex struggles to throw to the flat with any accuracy or a reasonable velocity (either a rocket or slow pitch softball). nobody knows our players and their skill sets better than the coaches.
i for one think alex shouldn’t throw the ball in a game anymore than he did tonight. remember all those games we won playing conservatively on offense? only throwing for 180 yards. i think we need to remember alex is not a super star, he has done a good job and has made few costly mistakes this season, and that is his role in our offense.
does anyone know where i can find stats on throw aways? im curios to see what % of alex’s passes are throw aways. alex also seems to make alot of throws that are low risk but also low chance of completion, almost like a throw away with possible upside, but that stat would be pretty impossible to keep track of.
a fan… not a coach
ROman's play-calling is pretty bad at times... not Jimmy Raye bad of course, but it can pretty atrocious at times.
You can call it “moronic” or any other degrading term, it really doesn’t matter. It stinks at times… In the first half of this game, there were some head scratchers…
In the redzone for the past few games, he has folded. There have been things working at times, and he goes away from them.
For you to sit there and act like he is some kind of God, genius, or guru just is not telling the truth at all; not close.
I am happy about how the play-calling went in the second half, but a lot of the first half deficiencies were on him. Yeah, the players have to execute and all that, but still… there were some very poor choices made in this game, as well as some of the past few. More than need be.
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what were the head scratchers in the first half?
I couldn't tell you off the top of my head... I would have to go back and watch it to give you specifics.
But I do know we were on the 4 or 5 at one point and couldn’t get the ball in there on 3 tries… again.
Alex had 63 yards in the first half and the pass was working… he went away from that and kept sending Gore up the gut for gains of 8 inches…
The creativity in the second half was there… in the first half it wasn’t. That is what I remember. I remember yelling a lot more in the first half with “WTF’s” a lot more than I was in the second.
If you are willing to wait for it, I probably could give you a good 10-15 WTF playcalls from the first half.
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ill wait.
you and sing go back and watch the film together lol
that was almost funny but it wasn't
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like
calling ben a rapist all night…. except that wasn’t really funny to anyone – purely degrading
... to "degrade" there is nothing funny about rape...
or people getting away with it
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and if we knew that he had then you might have a point
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 20, 2011 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
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I have some doubts about Ben’s character, but I wasn’t there, I don’t know what happened. It doesn’t matter in the court of public opinion but I prefer a higher standard.
by David Fucillo on Dec 20, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
I, personally don't give a crap what anyone else thinks...
I think he did it… BOTH times… he’s a P.O.S. and it’s my prerogative to degrade that RAPIST all that I would like to.
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yes you can think what you like
But that dosen’t change the fact that you don’t know what actually happened and that he’s been convicted of rape as many times as you have.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 28, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
I'll give you an example.
After we marched down the field and scored with the pass… The next drive we come out and run 3 downs in a row. 3 and out. Then the next drive we ran the first 2 plays as well. Definitely took our foot off the gas petal the instant we got some breathing room.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
These would be my main concners
RZ run up the gut
Fail runs/draws after picking up penalty, leaving long throwing downs
All conservative calls after the “chop block”
just because
a play fails doesn’t make it a bad call.
I really do not object to a draw on 2nd and 15 or even 3rd and 15 in some situations. an incomplete pass stops the clock and that is ill advised when you are controlling the game. forcing the ball down field is not the best option given the team philosophy of play good defense, stop the run, win the the field position/turnover battle, and try to get a couple scores up on the opponent.
by 3beam on Dec 20, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously it can be execution, not the call, but we’ve proven that we can’t stack the box and pound it in at the goal line. If you say differently, then you aren’t watching our games.
The draw is usually hit or miss. I’d rather have a 5-6 yard play that helps setup up manageable downs, rather than a play could bust a first down but will probably setup a difficult play and then a punt.
you're probably not just refering to the first half but
they called 5 passes in the red zone in the first half get ready for this line…
1 for 5. 12 yds
2 rushes
kh LG 1 for 0 yds
Frank 1 up the middle for -2
in the first half we didn’t stand a chance against that d in the redzone as illustrated by the 7 plays for 10 yds in the rz in the 1st half.
I thought the first drive was put together beautifully. they made it look easy against one of the best defenses in the league (until the redzone)
regarding the rz run up the gut i would agree on prior weeks (and that kh wildcat nonsense)
Actually it was still easy in the red zone
KW didn’t sit in the zone area, otherwise he catches a TD. Next play, Alex missed a wide open Gore for a TD. The only thing that changed was our players executing good play calls.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
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There is context to throw aways… not sure what you are trying to accomplish with that particular stat but I assure you, you will be attempting something that is flawed with that.
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not trying
to accomplish anything I was just asking if anyone knew where i could find it. TO’s would be like many other stats… they all have context, but i appreciate the assurance
My biggest problem with the Alex misses is that he doesn't even give his receivers a chance to make a play.
He needs to trust them to be the playmakers they are. Instead of throwing it too far in front or 5 yards out of bounds, I think he should risk making a contested throw down the sidelines as opposed to throwing it where no one has a chance to catch it, including the receiver.
"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt this team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh
by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 20, 2011 4:43 PM PST reply actions
what receivers do you have in mind?
Kyle is 5 foot nothing, Ginn is hurt, Braylon has not been really trustworthy in that way, Swain is kind of new…
Crabtree, yes, you can trust. He knows how to fight for the ball.
Vernon is tough, strong and fast, but not ultra athletic or agile. You can trust him and I like him a lot, but he can break your heart.
Delanie is good, very solid.
PS. I like Kyle. He can get separation. He is quick and athletic, etc., but is is small and has not yet proven he can win 50-50 balls.
Since when has he not won the 50/50 passes? Totally false… that is all the kid does.
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He’s a had a few this year… and in college.
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that Td pass that Kyle caught vs Dallassss
that dude went up & plucked it out of the air…..
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 21, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
That's one of em...
There’s been a couple others too
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he went up and got it
But iwas wherethe corner didn’t have much of a shot at it
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 28, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
I was thinking about the two out of bounds throws he made last night, both I think to Crabtree down the sideline.
In those cases, if he threw it in bounds, it would be more than a 50/50 shot for the WR because he had a couple steps on the defender. All I’m saying is give him a chance to make a play, instead of giving no one a chance.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 20, 2011 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
The staff obviously prefers he err on the side of caution in their opinion, turnovers hurt more than a 35 yard gain helps.
Its why they said they call so conservatively in the red zone most of the time.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2011 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, you're probably right, I still don't agree with it though.
I think it would boost Alex’s confidence and increase the trust between him and the receivers for them to know that he believes in them to fight for the ball.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 20, 2011 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure how you get a 35 yard play in the RZ =)
I know what you’re saying and at times I agree with being conservative (i.e. late vs Pitt), but 1 TD + 1 INT (assuming minimal return) is better than 2 FG. I’m not saying that I want that trade every 2 trips down, but I really hope we can shed our RZ funk before the postseason. MNF was a good step in the right direction.
As you said assuming minimal return. And you're also assuming it occurs at midfield or deep in their zone.
If it occurs on our 20 that’s almost guaranteed points on the board. In which case 2 FGs IS better… And lets go worst case reality based scenario, (we’ll call it the Christian Ponder scenario). 2 TDs… a redzone turnover preventing points, get the ball back then throw a pick 6… and then throw a game clinching int at your own 20 on the still tied game.
I’d rather have 3 FGs and 1 TD while not spotting the other team any points, than have 14 points while giving up 10 to the other squad.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2011 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
Kyle is 5 foot nothing
Not a factor… lot’s of small players in the league… besides, he is not as short or small as you think.
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Is it a factor for Steve Smith or Desean Jackson? Or has it ever been?
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Yep, it is a factor in how good he is.
Let’s him make those crisp cuts and have excellent acceleration. If he was taller he wouldn’t have those traits that make him so good.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 20, 2011 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
Truth about Dashon Goldson.
I hope the 49ers don’t spend big to bring him back.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Who not?
He’s having a Pro Bowl season.
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He's a liability in coverage and he doesn't tackle well.
Having six interceptions is nice, but they’re only six plays.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Maybe in previous seasons but not this one.
Whitner has been more of a liability in coverage than Goldson this year.
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Even if that were true
which I’m not convinced of, at least Whitner’s a Strong Safety. Goldson is playing a position where being a liability in coverage is a much bigger deal.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Depends on a assignment...
And unless you have seen a copy of the 49ers playbook, there is no way to tell for certain who blows what coverages and when… plays called play a factor in that equation as well.
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Agreed , and want him back , he gives teams a pause about coming over the middle ...!!
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That's what Lott and players like that thrived on back in the day.
Goldson has gotten much, much better this year in the current defense. And the front seven is allowing him to make a lot more plays. He leads ALL NFL safeties in Interceptions on the year… yet, some people don’t want him back? That’s just … well… I really can’t say the word I want to without getting a warning.
7 total turnovers on the year and has not really given up any TD’s.
I don’t get it folks, sorry.
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Agreed
Dashon Goldson has not prvoen to be the liability that most would have us believe. On the contrary he has 6 INT’s as a safety, that’s not a liability in my book!
by Chaotic9erFan on Dec 23, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
And Tony Parrish had 9 interceptions in 2003
Sometimes QBs throw bad passes that are easily picked off.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 23, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
The year before that he had 7... Sounds like he's a hall of famer right?
The combined total for the rest of his career? 14
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 23, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
How much of Goldson's improvement
is on the improved front 7? He certainly looked bad at AZ. Seattle has to be looking at his whiffs as an opportunity.
Do you realize he has the most INT's for any safety in the NFL?
Who cares how it’s happening, point is, it’s happening.
This new coaching staff has EVERYONE playing better.
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Again. Tony Parrish
A lot of those balls were poorly thrown floaters. He’s not under-cutting laser beams and making amazing plays.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 23, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Tony Parrish?
What does he have to do with Dashon Goldson?
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Do you remember the picks Tony Parrish was getting when he stacked up 9 of them?
poorly thrown balls that any NFL safety should have intercepted. Dashon has been afforded a lot of lucky opportunities for picks. Rogers has made great plays on his picks. There is a significant difference. In this case numbers alone don’t tell the story. His big hits have been great and are a talking point in his favor his picks have been caused by bad passes more than his great play.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 23, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
His attempt at making the pick against Larry Fitz is as indicitive of his overall play as all his picks
Hit and miss. He’s a rather average NFL safety who makes big hits and in doing so misses lots tackles he should make if he wrapped up. If he wants to come back on a team friendly contract come on back. He’s going to want to get paid though. He already made that clear. Let him walk.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 23, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Totally disagree with that.
I think it is pretty clear to most that Dashon is making a lot smarter plays and going 150 mph the entire game. He is giving ALL of his heart this year and it is showing up on gameday and the statline.
Parrish’s play resembles nothing close to Goldson’s hence the, “I don’t get the comparison” comment above.
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His pick in Washington he read beautifully. Of course it was thrown by John Beck so it was a bit of a floater, but it was on target and Dashon just got the ball a touch earlier than the TE.
So nice being at a game and not dealing with crappy TV angles. I stood up as soon I saw the ball go up and Dashon broke immediately, I knew it was a pick.
That is just one example though, he’s had a number of picks off tips and stuff too.
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