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Jim Harbaugh: Alex Smith Is A Pro Bowl QB, Long Term Answer For 49ers

49ers head coach Jim Harbaugh apparently has decided we do not talk about QB Alex Smith nearly enough at Niners Nation. It is such a passe topic that he needed to stir up the hornets nest a bit. Immediately following Monday's defeat of the PIttsburgh Steelers, Coach Harbaugh told the assembled media "There's no doubt in my mind that [Alex Smith] deserves to go to the Pro Bowl."

He was asked about that once again on Tuesday and he had a bit more to say on the topic. His Monday comment came during a mix of comments about the game and I'm guessing the media didn't quite pick up on the Pro Bowl comment. However, they did follow up on Tuesday and Coach Harbaugh had plenty to say about it:

You mentioned last night that Alex is a Pro Bowl quarterback. Do you trust that the coaches and players who vote won't be swayed by the huge passing numbers or the number of touchdowns and look at the things that you just brought up?

"It's possible. That's the low hanging fruit. Just go right to the yardage line or the touchdown passes line. I think people that understand football understand that there's a lot more that goes into the job of a quarterback than those statistics. Whenever a player is just thinking about statistics, whether it be sacks or yardage, those kind of agendas, interceptions, it can often hurt the team. We'll see. There are other great players out there in the National Football League. I believe there are three that go to the Pro Bowl, right? [Green Bay QB] Aaron Rogers, [Saints QB] Drew Brees, Alex Smith. I think those are the top-3 in the NFC in my humble opinion."

Why are you bringing up Pro Bowl now? You've got the rest of the season to go, why is this important to you at this time?

"There's a body of work under him. The thing that is important to us is the team. But I also think there are individual efforts that need to be highlighted. So that's why. There's other guys. [DT] Justin Smith, I believe, is our most valuable player. He had a great game in this football game. Did a lot of things really well. Kicked ass. That's basically what the guy did. He's been doing it all year. [LB] Aldon Smith had a terrific game. Great pressure rushing. Aldon's really separated himself as a pass rusher, first-year player in this league. Also, Justin on a lot of those stunts, he's beating up blockers and Aldon comes around and does a great job beating the center in this particular game. There's a lot of individual play that I think just needs to be highlighted. That's why I bring it up."

Star-divide

None of us can say with any measure of certainty why Coach Harbaugh does the things he does and says the things he says. We can speculate that he is just continuing to show his support for his quarterback. I think it goes beyond getting caught up in the moment because he did have a night to sleep on it, or at least think about it (he looked like a man who had not slept since the game).

Lowell Cohn jumped all over the Pro Bowl comments to point out why Alex Smith is not a Pro Bowl quarterback. I am perfectly fine with that kind of article because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to make that argument. That is the real "low hanging fruit."

However, one part of Cohn's article did not make logical sense in my mind:

I would like to point out something else. On Monday, Harbaugh said Justin Smith is the most valuable player on the 49ers. Justin Smith is a defensive lineman. If Alex Smith, a quarterback, is not even the MVP of the Niners, how is he a Pro Bowler?

This has nothing to do with what you think of Alex Smith as a player. Rather, if you read that rhetorical question at the end, am I the only one who sees the logical fallacy of that? Given that multiple players from a team can make a Pro Bowl, does that question even make sense? Lowell's question would infer that Justin Smith is the only player worthy of the Pro Bowl. I suppose if that is the argument then it makes sense. But if Lowell thinks guys like Carlos Rogers and Andy Lee and David Akers, among many others, are not worthy of the Pro Bowl, that is a whole other argument entirely.

For the purposes of this post, we don't need another over the top Alex Smith discussion. However, I do think it is noteworthy to bring up what Harbaugh said immediately after the Pro Bowl discussion:

Do you think that Alex is the long-term quarterback for the 49ers as the starter?

"I do."

In reality, until any sort of contract is signed and until we get into next training camp, all we have are some comments to a media group with which Coach Harbaugh has a sometimes contentious relationship. This might qualify as one of the clearest answers to any question he has received in the last four or five months.

It is almost hard to figure out what to do with it given the very black and white nature of the answer. Although, he couldn't really say "No he isn't the long term answer" and it is hard to spin that away. I think Coach Harbaugh thinks Smith could be that answer, but I also don't think Coach Harbaugh will lock himself into any specifics he states to the media.

Head Coach Jim Harbaugh
Press Conference - December 20, 2011
San Francisco 49ers

Listen to Audio I Media Center

Opening Statement:

"Good to see everybody today. Happy with the win last night. Thought our team really played good football. That's what you have to do against a very good football team like the Pittsburgh Steelers. We're faced with a short turnaround and on to Seattle. Finding a way to win this game."

In retrospect, how much of an advantage or how much did it help your offensive line prepare for last night's game by facing the Cardinals the week before?

"Well, there are some things that we had to get fixed. I thought our offensive line, it really starts there in terms of offense. Thought the protection was outstanding. [Offensive Line Coaches] Mike Solari, Tim Drevno did a great job with that unit. They responded. They rose to the occasion. That was well-played up front. The pads stayed square. Protection was terrific all night."

What is the plan for this week, for the short week? How much will the players practice, meetings, that type of thing?

"They're off today. We'll meet and practice Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday."

The way you guys have dominated in the turnover differential department all season long, it's really rung true with QB Alex Smith. Is that something that you harped on with Alex from day one? And has it continued every week since then?

"Coached it. Alex has a great understanding. Veteran player. Experienced player who understands situational football and good football and the difference between holding onto the ball and turning it over. He's also been uncanny in the pocket. If he's been hit or sacked, not giving up the sack fumble. The big momentum turnover that can lead to a change in field position, put point on the board for the opposition. Change the field position easy. He's been outstanding in that regard."

How do you coach that? You can't do a drill where you have a guy not fumble and be sacked? How do you coach a guy not to give up a sack fumble? How do you do that?

"There's really, like you point out, there's no dramatic drill work that you can do. I think it's his understanding, first of all. Take care of the football. His experience. Understanding to clutch the ball when there's pressure around you, get two hands on it in the pocket. Good fundamentals. I think also, going back to situational football, there are some people that are just concerned with statistics. You've got to have a 300-yard passing game. You have to take your play to the next level. For quarterbacks, that comes a lot because they're judged on yards thrown or touchdowns thrown. A consummate team player understands that that's not how we're measured at quarterback. The only statistic really that matters is winning. That's a way that his understanding and coaching it, that mentality, I think is important."

You mentioned last night that Alex is a Pro Bowl quarterback. Do you trust that the coaches and players who vote won't be swayed by the huge passing numbers or the number of touchdowns and look at the things that you just brought up?

"It's possible. That's the low hanging fruit. Just go right to the yardage line or the touchdown passes line. I think people that understand football understand that there's a lot more that goes into the job of a quarterback than those statistics. Whenever a player is just thinking about statistics, whether it be sacks or yardage, those kind of agendas, interceptions, it can often hurt the team. We'll see. There are other great players out there in the National Football League. I believe there are three that go to the Pro Bowl, right? [Green Bay QB] Aaron Rogers, [Saints QB] Drew Brees, Alex Smith. I think those are the top-3 in the NFC in my humble opinion."

Why are you bringing up Pro Bowl now? You've got the rest of the season to go, why is this important to you at this time?

"There's a body of work under him. The thing that is important to us is the team. But I also think there are individual efforts that need to be highlighted. So that's why. There's other guys. [DT] Justin Smith, I believe, is our most valuable player. He had a great game in this football game. Did a lot of things really well. Kicked ass. That's basically what the guy did. He's been doing it all year. [LB] Aldon Smith had a terrific game. Great pressure rushing. Aldon's really separated himself as a pass rusher, first-year player in this league. Also, Justin on a lot of those stunts, he's beating up blockers and Aldon comes around and does a great job beating the center in this particular game. There's a lot of individual play that I think just needs to be highlighted. That's why I bring it up."

Do you think that Alex is the long-term quarterback for the 49ers as the starter?

"I do."

[LB] Larry Grant has played really well with [LB] Patrick Willis out. Have you thought about, are there different ways you're going to look to get him involved when Willis comes back? Are there other ways to get Larry Grant on the field more than he had been before the last few weeks?

"Larry played very well in this game. Especially early. I thought he made some real statement plays early in the ball game. Tackled well. [LB] NaVorro Bowman also played very well. Again, good team defense. Larry's an outstanding football player. To answer your question, yeah, you try to find ways to get your best players on the field. He's playing at a very high level. Also, [DT] Ray McDonald, [NT] Isaac Sopoaga were very good up front in this game. Really, also need to highlight the play of the secondary. There was some yardage given up, but the way our secondary played was really good. [CB] Tarell Brown, in particular. Great coverage. Also, came up with the ball. [CB] Carlos Rogers, again, really good coverage. Comes up with the ball. [S] Dashon Goldson made a great interception. Made a great play on the ball. It was just an outstanding game from a coverage standpoint. The receivers from the Pittsburgh Steelers are fast, quick men. [Mike Wallace] 17, I believe, is the fastest player in the NFL. The fact that he runs as fast as he does when he gets loose, it's a nightmare to bring down. Our guys did a great job covering those receivers. Ed Donatell, our secondary coach, is something that another person's individual effort that needs to be highlighted. He's done a great job with our secondary this year."

In 1981, the 49ers went into Pittsburgh and beat them. It was a big, big win for that team that didn't know how good it was. Standing outside the locker room, I could hear them cheering like a high school team. The game meant something to them. It told them ‘we're a good team; we might be able to win a Super Bowl.' This is a big win you had last night. In addition to being a win, is it a game that is a marker game that tells you we're at a certain level, we're at a certain standard? Does it also mean that?

"For us, the expectations are to have a good day today. Have a great week at practice this week. Do everything we can do to win the next game. That's as far as we want to go with expectations, markers, statements. Where this team has been, practicing together, learning together, fighting for each other on any given Sunday afternoon for three hours and becoming a team. That mentality of just trying to improve, just trying to get better, is kind of where we leave our expectations."

You lead the league in turnovers, the turnover battle, I understand. Can you put it in your evaluation, just the remarkability factor that this defense has been able to get four turnovers against Pittsburgh, three against Arizona, continues to get multiple turnovers in a game. Where does that rate with you?

"It rates way up there. You want to play winning defense. As a unit, our defense, when they can get turnovers for us, when they can get stops, three-and-outs, all that rates really way up there in terms of winning defense."

I guess what I'm looking for...

"What're you looking for? Tell me what you're looking for. Tell me where you can plug me in you article. Save ourselves all a lot of time. Right?"

I know that you said you don't want to set expectations, but the fact that you've been able to do that and not even...it's four per game.

"It's outstanding. It's just awesome. A lot of that, you talk about the ability of the players. The coaching. The job [Defensive Coordinator] Vic Fangio's doing, all of our defense coaches. The pressure that you get up front. Again, Justin Smith, he's just always, play after play, kicking ass, for lack of a better term. Secondary comes up with the football. You get tight coverage and still make plays on the ball. They get you the ball. They're doing a great job."

You're a student of football history. What do you know about the 1920 Decatur Staleys? They're the last team to...

"Became the Chicago Bears. I know one thing."

Did your dad know George Halas?

"Did my dad know Halas? I don't think he knew him."

That was the last team to go 13 games without giving up a rushing touchdown. More seriously, did you see this defense...

"When did forward pass come in? Probably a little bit after that, right? Prior to the forward pass, it really makes it that much more remarkable. It's something to talk about. It's remarkable in the fact that people would talk about it. It's a remarkable thing. We don't talk about it a lot here, but I still feel like our guys take a lot of pride in that. It's pretty amazing."

Did you see your defense being that kind of defense, that would be able to stop the rushing touchdowns? When you put together this defense at the start of the season? Or was that something that just evolved?

"It's a big goal to stop the run. You don't set up on your goal board at the beginning of the year to not allow a rushing touchdown for the first 14 games of the season. You want to be good against the run, you want to stop the run. Our team has been doing that. Some 30-some games since there's been a 100-yard rusher. That's another benchmark standard that I've read about. Again, it's a credit to the guys that are up front. Isaac Sopoaga, he's on the nose. He's taking up blocks. The way our linebackers have played all season. Whether it's been Patrick and NaVorro or Larry Grant comes in, it's just 49ers defense. You don't play great defense without really good secondary play. Our outside backers have done a tremendous job, too. It's been really good team defense. To answer your question, that's where it starts. That's where you want to hang your hat. You want to be able to stop the run."

When you evaluated Aldon Smith, and maybe even now, did you ever notice like a next gear? Something that enables him to just get to the quarterback, being close to the quarterback and then closing quickly. Sort of like a quick strike? Does he have a quick twitch that enables him to get there so quickly?

"There are some unique things that we saw when we were first evaluating him. The fact that he could athletically avoid defenders in tight spaces, especially inside the tackles. He showed that at Missouri. The other thing was that he was always on his feet. He always played on his feet. He was rarely off his feet. Even when he was knocked off his feet, he had a way of stopping himself just short of hitting the ground of popping back up like a spring. He's got some real gifts of God. I think, really over the last six, seven, eight weeks, Aldon has really bought in to Coach Fangio's scheme. I see them having a great working relationship. Just keep coming along. Just keep getting better."

Do you think he surprises people with his inside move and strength? Maybe when they look at him, they see a tall guy, lean and just think of him as a speed rusher on the outside and he kind of surprises people going as many sacks as he does.?

"He does. He does a great job coming off of the stunt. Starts up the field then loops back inside. He's getting a great lane from Ray and from Justin. Those guys are really, when you dissect what's happening, those two guys are doing a tremendous job. A lot of credit to Aldon, too. He comes in and is able to beat the defender in a very tight space. Athletically, contort his body in split-second decisions. He's getting a lot of credit for that and deservedly so."

I think a lot of fans see what he does and say why isn't this guy starting, why isn't he playing all three downs? I guess the question is, would he be able to do what he's doing this year if he was a three-down player? Does the fact that he comes in on specific plays allow him to be the player that he is this year?

"I trust in what Vic and [Defensive Line Coach] Jim Tomsula and the defensive staff is doing. We got a lot of other good players, too, like Justin. Again, I'm going to say it again; I think he is the most valuable player on our team. [LB] Parys [Haralson] is doing a nice job. [LB] Ahmad Brooks has played outstanding football. Already close to double the amount of snaps that Ahmad Brooks has had in an entire career, this season. I think he's somewhere around the mid-400s coming into this season and he's up close to the mid-700s now."

This may sound sort of like a hockey question, but I don't intend it that way, but Patrick Willis just told us he was surprised to see Aldon making these sacks with his mouthpiece in his sock and that's pretty gutsy to not protect your teeth. We've heard Justin Smith has chipped his teeth multiple times during a season. What does that say about the no fear aspect of these guys if they're not even wearing mouthpieces when they're doing this stuff?

"I don't see a lot of fear out there in any of these guys."

Is that unique to you?

"I tell you what. I'll keep a sharper eye on that, and make sure that Aldon has his mouthpiece in his mouth and not in his sock."

It was just an interesting thing. Patrick was surprised by it.

"I'll keep a sharper eye. I'll make sure Aldon gets his mouthpiece in his mouth."

What do you think about the light's going out last night during the game? Didn't seem to affect you guys.

"I don't know how much it did or didn't affect our guys. It was a surprise. Everybody was calm. From the players and coaches, just rolled with it. Also, I was impressed with the fans in the stadium, too. Lights go out and I thought they kept their composure. Remained calm and let it get worked out."

Why did you feel that WR Ted Ginn, WR Michael Crabtree, and WR Kyle Williams gave you the better chance to win and having WR Braylon Edwards inactive?

"Just based on the practices and the games."

Are you looking to add to the wide receiver corps this week?

"We'll see with Ted. Braylon should be ready to go. We'll look for a good week of practice there."

Do you think Ginn's injury is long-term?

"I don't know, we'll see."

TE Vernon Davis last night, he kind of developed throughout the season and learned to beat the double team. Could you talk a little bit about his game last night?

"Yeah, made the big play. Especially on the big drive. We had a big drive in the game where we had to respond. It was 6-3. Alex made a heck of a throw and Vernon beat the man to man coverage. Really adjusted nicely to the ball. And there was safety help over the top. You call that double coverage or not, it's really single coverage with help. It was a heck of a route, great adjustment on the ball. Great throw by Alex. Came back after a penalty and hit the big screen pass to [RB] Kendall Hunter, which was a big play in the game. Then, immediately Greg Roman called the Y-hide screen to Vernon and another really good throw, transcontinental across the field. Again, Vernon makes the nice over the shoulder catch. A real strength play, in what I thought got him into the end zone, that was taken off the board. Thought Vernon did a nice job composing himself and coming back the next play, executing the touchdown reception. He made some tough catches over the middle as he always does. He's a threat every time he gets the ball in his hands. Also did a nice job blocking in this game, a physical presence there. [TE] Delanie Walker is another guy to highlight in terms of really setting the tone physically, in terms of blocking. He had a great cut block early in the game on their middle linebacker. Heels up into the air kind of block. Another physical, rattle-their-fillings block about two plays later. Then made a great tackle on the special teams."

After those first two field goals, were you still concerned about your production in the red zone?

"I was happy about the way our team moved the ball. Put drives together and responded. We were attacking. Pittsburgh's a heck of a defense. We had our opportunities and then finally cashed in on them. Those were big scoring drives in the red zone."

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Smith is the guy

In my Alex Smith controversy posts I came across someone who pointed out the veteran factor to me. Rookies make lots of mistakes, not many exceptions. It takes a few years for quarterbacks to get to the point they aren’t throwing games away. A lot never get there.

The quarterbacks who are doing the best are all around Alex’s experience level or more. He will get better still if the pattern holds. He may never be Aaron Rodgers good, but he will be hard for a younger guy to top.

He’s the guy for a few years at least, I think. Not likely we get a veteran that is better without trading away our future.

That’s what I’ve learned from guys on Niner Nation. Colin will probably back him up at least a couple years and then tear it up. Unless Colin is an exception, Harbaugh is really sticking with Alex. I believe him.

Alex is good, it’s really hard to do what he’s doing and not throw interceptions.

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 6:20 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Harbaugh is way too smart to say anything other than Yes

when asked if Alex is the long term answer.

Plus, let’s not forget that we are 11-3 (not that anybody needs reminding) and a lot of that is down to Alex. I’m sure Harbaugh will want him around for a couple more years at least.
Having said that, I also expect Harbaugh would not hesitate to pull the trigger if he feels he can bring a better QB on board. The best coaches don’t let sentiment get in the way of winning.

by Glasgow_49er on Dec 21, 2011 6:26 AM PST reply actions  

This statement is false
I also expect Harbaugh would not hesitate to pull the trigger if he feels he can bring a better QB on board.

Quarterbacks are not horses, you don’t just shoot them when something better comes along. Jeez, I hope you aren’t married.

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 7:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe some are?

Maybe some guys like that sort of woman?

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 7:37 AM PST up reply actions  

LINGERIE FOOTBALL LEAGUE

Yes please

"I got two hard rules I live by, pop. I don't [site decorum] with the devil, and I never do tag teams with blood relatives" -Kenny Powers

by TryAndCatchVD on Dec 21, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I've seen

Some wives that resemble horses.

"Let It Roll"

by To The Bone on Dec 21, 2011 12:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

....Matthew Broderick's wife

"I got two hard rules I live by, pop. I don't [site decorum] with the devil, and I never do tag teams with blood relatives" -Kenny Powers

by TryAndCatchVD on Dec 21, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

"I got two hard rules I live by, pop. I don't [site decorum] with the devil, and I never do tag teams with blood relatives" -Kenny Powers

by TryAndCatchVD on Dec 21, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

don't be disingenuous...

You know full well what I was getting at. Despite all that Joe had accomplished, as soon as it looked like Steve might be an upgrade (do to injury, no less), Joe was shown the door (they pulled the trigger….)

by ColoradoNiner on Dec 21, 2011 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm sorry but I think you may have been trying to respond seriously to a joke

If you do that, you are going to get the smart ass…

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Now all you need to do

is add the smart part.

"One game at a time. Let's just keep it rolling." Justin Smith

by riderless on Dec 21, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

And you're any smarter?

"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

To be fair, by dealing Joe Montana, the Niners were able to pick up assets.

Acquiring a veteran QB would cost the Niners assets, and with there currently being two rookies on the team at the spot, drafting another QB, unless in the very late rounds, would seem to be a misuse of resources.

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Revenge is ice cream.

by HaikenEdge on Dec 21, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

unless one isn't working out

"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Was Steve an upgrade? I know his stats were better...

But how many SB’s did Montana win… And how many did Steve win? Montana managed games better than Steve.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you're spot on, Fooch

How can Coach Harbaugh answer that question any other way? He still has 2 games of the regular season to go and then the playoffs. If he says anything else other than “I do” to the question of Alex being the long term answer, he risks shattering the confidence of the man that is undoubtedly the starter right now and potentially undermining his own relationship with him.

Do we know for sure that Coach Harbaugh Alex back next year? Of course we don’t. We can assume he does, given how he’s been with Alex since he took over, but we can’t be certain. He’s as good at batting media questions away as anyone I’ve seen and the only Next season is when we’ll see the real progress of Alex Smith and I for one am very excited to see it.person who knows what he really thinks is Jim Harbaugh.

Personally, I like Alex Smith. I think he deserves another shot after the way he’s played this year. Plus, we can almost be certain that for the first ever time in his career, he’ll be entering an offseason with the same coaches and playbook as he had the season before.

In the meantime, roll on the Seahawks and the march towards the 2 seed! GO NINERS!

by Ben Goodchild on Dec 21, 2011 6:28 AM PST reply actions  

I like Alex Smith. I think he deserves another shot after the way he’s played this year.

How about a round for the entire team?

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Most definitely

The 49ers win as a team, lose as a team. I’m a massive believer in that. It’s not one player that wins or loses, it’s the team. And this team have been playing some great stuff all season and should be recognised for that.

However, my original comment was about Coach being asked if Alex would be retained as the starter after this year. My point was that based on his performances, which have been much improved recently for whatever reason (there are thousands of theories!) it’s my opinion that he should be given another crack of the whip next year.

But you’re absolutely right. The whole team deserve a round this season. I’m just sorry that I’m over the other side of the pond and can’t get to any games!

by Ben Goodchild on Dec 21, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Yea, the games are fun

And Alex is a solid veteran on a very good team. He has room to improve as well. Some people are living in the past I think.

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I think there are a few players on the team that can still improve and that must frighten the pants off of the rest of the NFL.

Bowman, Aldon, Hunter, Miller, A Davis, Iupati, K Williams to name but a few. Even Bamm Bamm has come out this season and said there are things he can improve on and he’s one of the best players in the league right now.

Exciting times to be a 49ers fan!

by Ben Goodchild on Dec 21, 2011 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

If Alex improves his sideline pass

That would certainly frighten the pants off the rest the NFL!

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

He will with time

I think he’s just kind of cautious for now. He doesn’t want to throw the INT. Doesn’t want to throw the game away. I believe once we roll into the playoffs and it’s time to let loose is when Alex is gonna have to take his shot and not overthrow those type of passes. Not err on the side of caution, since those TD’s will be needed.

by sj_sharkie12boy on Dec 21, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Considering he's never had an off-season he could spend focusing specifically on his fundamentals, accuracy and timing

Instead of learning and practicing the playbook. I think it’s almost a certainty that it improves to some point.

Nerd joke time – It’s like smithing skill in Skyrim. If you’re only doing it to produce weapons of need you’re not gonna improve skill… But when you sit there and spam leather bracers and iron daggers your skill improves by leaps and bounds.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

this has been his most glaring weakness for awhile now – but – this year he’s throwing the mid-range out pretty well, and even throwing “back shoulder” pass pretty well. It’s the longer wheel-route Roman and Harbaugh love that he’s still struggling with. I wonder how much of that is the revolving door of “go to” receivers? He had a good thing going with Morgan and Edward in late pre-season/early season, only to see both fall to injuries. Now he seems to be finally developing some chemistry with Crabtree and Williams. Curious to see if he continues to build a rapport with these guys.

by mwright84 on Dec 22, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

He's hit VD on this route... It's not that he can't throw it.

Just not confident in his placement in regards to where his WR will be yet.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Just re-read that. makes NO sense!

The end of the 2nd paragraph should read “the only person who knows what he really thinks is Jim Harbaugh…” stupid fat fingers…

by Ben Goodchild on Dec 21, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Alex has earned the start...

I don’t think there’s any doubt. He’s performing better than Dilfer did on that Ravens Super Bowl team. I think the comparisons there are inaccurate but I understand where they’re coming from.

The bigger question is whether Alex will WANT to stay with the Niners. There are going to be teams out there willing to pay him a fat paycheck. Alex might want to stay or cut his losses.

The choice is HIS to make. I think the 49ers’ decision is clear at this point.

That said…

Lowell Cohn makes a logical fallacy?! Say it ain’t so…

I appreciate Grant’s writing for the PD. But I’ve tuned Lowell out. Ray Ratto too. Not even worth reading IMO.

by smathis on Dec 21, 2011 6:50 AM PST reply actions  

The biggest surprise I could think of would be for Alex to pick another team over the 49ers

It would be completely contrary to his nature and he would be leaving a fantastic team full of talented young players with an elite coaching staff.

Alex is way to smart to throw that ball away.

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 7:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

I just don’t see Smith looking for a big pay day. After all he’s been through to have a coach he finally feels trusts him, and a situation where he’s not asked to put the team on his shoulders, I just don’t see him leaving. As long as the 49ers give him a fair offer I can’t imagine him leaving even if another team offers him a longer contract for more money.

In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

by urnext on Dec 21, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually...

…I think it will be a very interesting litmus test whether other teams offer him a contract and for how much. I suspect there will be less interest that you think, but it will be interesting to see.

by Bigmouth on Dec 21, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree, it will be interesting to see how much other teams value Smith's stock after the season ends

I really can’t see Alex leaving. This team is his home. He’s sacrificed and given more than he’s been asked to. He’s too deeply invested. Plus, they’ve got such a good thing going, with the chemistry and the camaraderie, why would he ever think he’d have it better with some other NFL team? Literally “who’s got it better than the Niners?” No – body.

Win or lose, at the end of the day I'm just happy to see the Niners play well... Okay, winning is good. I prefer winning.
"Yeah, I do get emotional. It fires me up. It fires me up a lot. I'm not going to apologize for that. If that offends you or anybody else, then so be it." ~ Jim Harbaugh

by El Dorado on Dec 21, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Smith Is The Guy.....For Now

Credit to Coach Harbaugh, he does what it takes to keep his players motivated. He is getting a lot out of Smith, just enough to have a winning season. How can he say anything else? Look what happened when Nolan criticized Alex, his esteem went down like Charlie Brown.
This team would be a monster if only they had a franchise QB. But they dont, and even considering Smith for the Pro-Bowl is laughable. Until Harbaugh finds somebody better, and he will, continue to use the average Alex Smith.

by scrappydog on Dec 21, 2011 7:12 AM PST reply actions  

I don't think it's "laughable" to consider him

but, it would be laughable to put him in over some of the other guys, yes.

Anyway, yea everyone knows this is Harbaugh’s MO, he’s trying to pump Alex with as much confidence as he can.

by whistlingmountain on Dec 21, 2011 7:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Several teams in NFL have top notch QBs

And they are NOT undefeated.

11-3. What the HECK else do you want?

by Mindless on Dec 21, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s only because they don’t have our defense.

"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"

by rlott#42 on Dec 21, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

If we had a top-flight QB, we'd have to pay him like one.

Who knows if there’d be enough money left under the cap to sign some of the guys we got during the off-season.

---
Revenge is ice cream.

by HaikenEdge on Dec 21, 2011 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Our team would be giving up a lot more points

If we had a QB that had thrown several pick 6’s or had turnovers on our end of the field.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

So would you rather have someone like Romo?

Romo puts up huge numbers, but he also makes horrible mistakes at some of the worst times. I still can’t help but remember the time he botched the hold on what was essentially a PAT FG that cost the Cowboys a playoff win against the Seahawks. The fact Smith almost never turns the ball over this season or makes the bonehead play I think has been hugely underrated. If I were ranking all the QBs in the NFL I’d rank him in the 10-12 range, which is above average, and I could see him getting better next year.

In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

by urnext on Dec 21, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I would only if Romo can play like Alex

Romo would be better if Harbaugh trains him to play conservative mistake free football instead of the poor man’s gunslinger

by mcwagner on Dec 21, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I strongly disagree

You can quantify how damaging Romo’s mistakes have been by looking at how they affected his team’s probability of winning. Yet, despite his untimely mistakes, Romo has consistently contributed more to his team’s win probability than Smith. It’s not even close.

What happens is Romo makes a mistake in a big game and people remember it. And because people don’t tend to remember all those wins where he quietly killed the clock, their recollection becomes distorted as to how often Romo errs and how big those errors were.

You see a similar thing at work with Smith, btw. I know I’m guilty of it. I remember his mistakes more than I do his successes, which is why I make sure to cross check my recollection against the objective stats.

by Bigmouth on Dec 21, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

yes that is true

With Harbaugh behind him, I would take Romo

by mcwagner on Dec 21, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

You should go to a Cowboys board and see how they feel about Romo

If the 49ers hold on to the #2 seed and win their first playoff game, Smith will have already taken the 49ers further than Romo has ever taken the Cowboys. Romo puts up good numbers but he plays horribly when it matters most.

In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

by urnext on Dec 21, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Tuna on toast

Whatever Cowboy fans do, I do the opposite. (Ha, ha…)

Seriously, though, I find some Cowboy fans’ negative reaction to Romo as baffling as you do some Niner fans’ negative reaction to Smith.

by Bigmouth on Dec 21, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Alex Smith will not be in the Pro Bowl

Because he’s taking us to the Super Bowl. You guys are schmucks and you should be praying Alex doesn’t leave the Niners for the fat paychecks other teams will undoubtedly be waving at him. Without Alex we’re .500 at best and flopping around like the Cards and Seahawks, not even knowing we’re already dead. Other than Rodgers, Brees, and Brady name me another quarterback you’d rather have. For that matter, outside of Rothlisberger and maybe Tebow, name me a quarterback that’s tougher. Watch the film people – and mind those turnover stats.

IMHO, because of our record, I believe our coaches STILL haven’t shown us but half of the playbook. Alex can make the throws and the decisions. Even Steve and Joe had the occasional bad pass – and Alex is getting better every week. Some people just enjoy hating – I say get out of the freaking way.

by LopakaPaniolo on Dec 21, 2011 7:51 AM PST reply actions  

Lowell's article is terrible

Alex Smith may not be deserving of a Pro Bowl, but that does not make that article worth anything. He starts by saying he wants to fight JH on the Alex Smith issue, then he completely disregards what JH said about him.

JH said you can’t just look at the statistics when contemplating Pro Bowl honors. Then Lowell basically says that Alex shouldn’t make it because his statistics aren’t as good. He should have either argued the premis (statistics do matter, here’s why) or he should have argued for other players based on something besides passing yards and TDs. Instead, he completely ignored the premise of JH’s argument; something any commenter on a fan site could easily do.

Also, his argument about Justin Smith is a total logical fallacy. I doubt anyway would blink an eye if Big Ben made the Pro Bowl one year and Tomlin said that Palumalu was their MVP. Would Matthew Stafford not be eligible for the Pro Bowl if you considered Calvin Johnson the MVP? Steve Young/ Jerry Rice?

by MATTCW on Dec 21, 2011 8:02 AM PST reply actions  

I'd vote for him in the Pro Bowl

He’s making almost 0 mistakes, thats a huge marker.

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

There have been big plays

Don’t act all arrogant with me, I’m the king of arrogant.

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

What mistakes?

Because when I say mistakes I mean turnovers. When I say big plays I mean plays that win games.

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Not what I was saying, but I guess you can spin it that way.

The thinking is, less turnovers, more wins. It’s not like he hasn’t scored the winning touchdown or lead the winning drive in quite a few games. He’s driven on a few good defenses, Pittsburgh being one of them.

Alex Smith is a good quarterback.

"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

It is for Alex to change people's opinion

By playing 49ers football. By playing good smart football, and winning games by passing it around when we need to.

"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

something to agree on

Alex is a better quarterback then he used to be

by mcwagner on Dec 21, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Turnovers

are one of the most statistically significant markers in winning football games. Which is why Alex is a bit unique when you compare him to other QB’s. Brees/Rogers drive down the field and score without turning it over. Stafford/Romo/Newton/Manning drive down the field and often turn it over. Alex doesn’t do a great job of driving it down the field but has few turnovers. Remember he’s one the most sacked QBs which usually correlates with lots of turnovers.

My point isn’t that he belongs in the Pro Bowl, just that it isn’t rediculous to include him in the conversation.

by MATTCW on Dec 21, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Support
My point isn’t that he belongs in the Pro Bowl, just that it isn’t rediculous to include him in the conversation.

Pro Bowl or not, what we really want is a Lombardi. The Pro Bowl is a joke anyway.

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 8:45 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

BS.

Pure, unadalturated BS.

Not every big play is measured in yards. I hope you realize that.

by Mindless on Dec 21, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Better example. 3rd and goal from the 6 @ detroit. Blitzer comes unblocked from Alex's blindside

He gets rid of the ball avoiding the sack or a turnover and close enough to a receiver to not take a grounding call. Better play than his 4th and 6 completion.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Great Quarterbacks

Drive 90 yards in the last two minutes. Montana, Young, Brees, Rodgers, Manning have all done it. Has Alex shown he’s capable of that? Great quarterbacks win games when the defense gives up more than 21 points. Matt Stafford showed why he’s a pro bowler this past weekend. Alex Smith did not.

Alex is a product of the system. Without this defense that keeps him in the game, 180 yards and no int is not going to win him games anywhere else.

by cyph on Dec 21, 2011 8:10 AM PST reply actions  

Ahem...

49ers v. Eagles 10/2/2011
49ers v.Lions 10/16/2011

You, sir, require correction. My guess, to paraphrase Ralph Barbieri, is you go to bed every night crying, clutching your Jeff Garcia jersey. It’s 2011. Get over it. Alex is doing the job. You should make better use of your time by praying he comes back next year rather than taking monster cash from some other club and leaving us high and dry.

by LopakaPaniolo on Dec 21, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Monster Cash From Some Other Club???

Bwa-ha-ha-ha, that’s the funniest thing I heard all day. Good luck with that!

by scrappydog on Dec 21, 2011 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

You don't think a team with no QB like the Redskins wouldn't offer him a lot of money?

Just look at how much money the Bills threw at Ryan Fitzpatrick. The Cards traded a 2nd round pick and DRC to the Eagles to get Kolb and then signed him to a monster deal. The Raiders gave away a 1st and a 2nd round draft pick to get Palmer. The Bears traded two 1st round picks, a 3rd round pick, and Kyle Orton to get Cutler. Smith has the 9th best QB rating in the NFL and is leading a team with an 11-3 record. The QB position is so important their are always teams willing to overpay.

In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

by urnext on Dec 21, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Luckily you're not in charge of the 49ers personel decisions

You were probably one of those fans in Candlestick that were chanting “We want Carr” in the 49ers loss to the Eagles last year.

In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

by urnext on Dec 21, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

how do you get more?

draft high? Overpay for a QB that somehow develops and his team lets him go? Or you go Harbaugh’s way and get a veteran you can work with and slowly mold him to the player you can work with best while having a plan B and C. You don’t want Smith? What is your solution?

by mcwagner on Dec 21, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

who do you wish they'd get?

and keep it real – cuz they’re not gonna get Rodgers, or Brees, or Brady…. so in terms of who’s actually better that the ’niners could acquire this off-season, who would you like to see them get? Or are you hoping Kaep is the guy next year?

by mwright84 on Dec 22, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I knew someone would bring that up. Fact is, Alex did NOT drive 90 yards in the last two minutes. Did he come from behind in the 2nd half of that game. Yes.

The game ended when Justin Smith stripped the ball from McCoy (?). That was a game won by the defense in the final minutes by 49ers MVP Justin Smith.

You take ONE game where the Eagles blew it as proof that Smith is a pro bowler? Fact of the matter is, he had the same stats in the Pittsburgh game as in the Arizona game. The difference? The defense gave up three points whereas they gave up 21 in the last game.

Alex Smith is an above average QB. Perhaps lower top ten. Pro Bowler? No way.

by cyph on Dec 21, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Justin Smith is the MVP

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually Jim Harbaugh said that Justin Smith was the MVP!

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Dec 21, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Patrick Willis said Justin Smith is the MVP too.

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Dec 21, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Justin Smith is awesome

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 21, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You obviously never watched Montana play

“The Catch” was won on a horse-collar tackle. Cowboys were marching down the field too. All of those quarterbacks have been saved by their defense also.

by mcwagner on Dec 21, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

2 out of 14? Gotta drink to that...!!

"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"

by rlott#42 on Dec 21, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

But it wins him games where it counts

If he had the line and recievers Brees, Brady and Eli have, I think he would be closer to 300 yards a game.

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I love how the wins are all on Alex, but the losses aren't...

So glad Alex is 11-0…the rest of our teams sucks…they are 0-3. Alex needs a supporting cast.

by Coretete on Dec 21, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

that’s how it always is

If he had the line and recievers Brees, Brady and Eli have, I think he would be closer to 300 yards a game.

WHOA, THOSE ARE PRO BOWL LEVEL YARDS THERE

"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais

by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 21, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I’d vote him for Pro Bowl based on the measly yards he has now. Not that my vote counts for much.

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Alex had ZERO sack this game. He did not have 300 yards this game. It’s like a broken record. Aaron Rodgers has 36 sacks to Smith’s 39. Aaron Rodgers is garbage with that offensive line right?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/sacks

by cyph on Dec 21, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Yea well Steelers are the #1 defense allowing LESS THAN 300 yards TOTAL per game

And they only allow 179 yards passing per game.

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

No doubt. I’m just saying that people should stop apologizing for Alex Smith. A couple of throws and he could’ve had 300 yards. He missed a couple. That’s been his MO throughout this season.

As for Smith’s low turnover rate, it’s not a surprise. When QB takes risks and attempt low probability passes, turnovers are inevitable. Great QB’s turn it over less even when they make great, low probability passes.

Tebow doesn’t make low probability throws, neither does Smith. They have sub 200 yards passing but also very low turnovers. I don’t think they suck. But I don’t think they’re Pro Bowl players either.

by cyph on Dec 21, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Winning

Its what winners do

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Rodgers has nowhere near the same amount of hits though

he takes almost as many sacks with many less hits. That should tell you he’s getting better protection and just holding the ball

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2011 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

This

is an actual refudiation of what Harbaugh said. Lowell’s article was not. Sorry, I just can’t get over how poorly thought out that article was.

by MATTCW on Dec 21, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

so who got the blame for mot of the losses b4 this season? most of you probably never seen montana or young struggle through a game… there’s people out there who thinks joe cool was overrated because he played on a team with a top 5 running game and top 5 defense… at one point steve young was a complete bust he was the orighinal tebow that he could run but he was no pocket passer… just enjoy the season better yet go ahead and say all the negative stuff about our qb during the regurlar season, but please give him your support (i will twist your arm) in the playoffs it’s the only way we will truly succeed…

by Don'tCallMeWhiner on Dec 21, 2011 8:53 AM PST reply actions  

Only the coaches got sacked

Well and Alex…a lot of times….felt sorry for him out there… tough kid though, takes a lot of crap and hold his head up high. Good quarterback too.

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

ehh he’s not terrible?

by Don'tCallMeWhiner on Dec 21, 2011 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

No, he's not terrible

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

What Harbaugh REALLY means is.....

Alex clearly is the best Q.B. for our team now and more than likely for the 2012 season.

However, If Kaepernick can be ready to compete with Alex as starter in the 2013 season, it will be a wide open, best man win competition…….UNLESS, Alex continues to grow and prove to be even better during the 2012 season, Then Alex will rule again in 2013 UNLESS Kaepernick at some point along this journel clearly displays superior overall Q.B. smarts & skills over Alex.

Kaepernick physically already is bigger, stronger, faster and has a lazer arm over Alex, but he has to prove his is ready to overtake Alex, and knowing Alex and his work ethic history, that aint going to be all that easy.

Harbaugh is indeed molding Kaepernick week by week, but remember, Harbaugh is also transforming Alex right in front of our eyes.

It will be interesting to see in which season Kaepernick overtakes Alex, if ever at all.

In any event I think Harbaugh will continue to mold both Alex & Colin into pretty dang good Q.B.’s and at some point the 9ers may be in position to use one of them as trade bait down the road to gain additional draft picks and continue to keep our overall roster young and talented.

by BigMar on Dec 21, 2011 8:58 AM PST reply actions  

Dont know much about Q.B. Tolzien......

but if he cant keep the compition pressure on Alex and Colin, I honestly expect the 9ers to draft another Q.B. in 2012 simply because as you say teams need more tha 1 or 2 legit Q.B’s in the wings developing and waiting.

by BigMar on Dec 21, 2011 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Why not

draft a quarterback every year, see what you get…

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Good return on investment if you have a good picker

Good quarterbacks can be traded for opponents futures

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Per Grant Cohen and others who have seen a little of him in practice

Kaepernick has a laser arm but not very good accuracy, and is still working on his decision making. Huge upside, but still a projects and doubt if he’s ready by ‘12. Like others here, I think the dream scenario is two more seasons of a continually improving ASmith, and Kaep (or Tolzien, who I’ve read is actually very impressive in the extremely limited reps he gets) grabs the reins of the defending SB champs in ’14 season.

by mwright84 on Dec 22, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Ahh, I love our snarky head coach:
I guess what I’m looking for…
“What’re you looking for? Tell me what you’re looking for. Tell me where you can plug me in you article. Save ourselves all a lot of time. Right?”

by BruinMW on Dec 21, 2011 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

5 for 5 for 89 yards and a TD

those are Alex’s numbers against the Steelers on the drive immediately following them making it 6 to 3. It was a nut crusher for them.

He’s played his best when it’s mattered most a number of times this year. Detroit, Cincy, Philly and the Giants come immediately to mind. He’s also going to continue to grow as he gains experience.

Of all of the good this Harbaugh has done rehabbing Alex is close to the top.

"It's impossible to hide the fire inside" - Bob Seger

by Jaxson876 on Dec 21, 2011 9:08 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

yeah it’s a team game so… he did it when needed…

by Don'tCallMeWhiner on Dec 21, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

winning solves everything… most of these top qbs weren’t considered top until they won a championship…

by Don'tCallMeWhiner on Dec 21, 2011 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

think about it people…

by Don'tCallMeWhiner on Dec 21, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

true, but so were brady (pick 1 million), brees (let go by sd), roethlisberger (damn we better keep running with bettis), rodgers (favre 4 life who’s this dude?) only time will tell…

by Don'tCallMeWhiner on Dec 21, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

it took multiple years in the same system to be where they are…

by Don'tCallMeWhiner on Dec 21, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not against that happening, I'm a 49er fans I still cheer for Alex every game even tho I think he is our weakest link.

He may develop more w/ Harbaugh, but how many more years will the team give him…this offseason will show a lot of what the team thinks of Alex (and all our other FAs).

by Coretete on Dec 21, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Weakest link = depth at offensive line

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

debatable...of course an Alex supporter wouldn't put any blame on him.

We could use some better OL play, but a good QB will make an OL look better also.

by Coretete on Dec 21, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I've been accused of being an Alex hater

But no one has ever called me an Alex supporter.

Anyway the haters are fewer and fewer in numbers as he changes their minds.

Only the stubborn are left to hate him now.

"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

488 att, 311 comp, 63.7 pct, 30.5 att/gm, 3565 yds, 7.3 avg, 222.8 yds/gm, 19 td, 12 int, 88.4 rating

by Don'tCallMeWhiner on Dec 21, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

who’s stat were these?

by Don'tCallMeWhiner on Dec 21, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

looks like a pretty average joe…

by Don'tCallMeWhiner on Dec 21, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

You are comparing Montana’s first year as a starter to Smith’s 7th year. A year in which he turned a 6-10 team into a SB champion. A year when he drove 90 yards in the final minutes to defeat the “best” team in the NFL in the playoffs.

Let’s see the rules difference that benefits QB of this era:

1) Neutral zone infraction against the defense
2) QB now has radios in their helmets
3) Helmet to helmet are personal fouls with fines
4) Defensive players may no longer draw false starts with flinch
5) Receivers no longer have to make a football move before it’s a catch, just two feet in bound
6) QB cannot be hit helmet to helmet after a change of possession
7) Horse-collar tackles are prohibited
8) QB may not be hit bellow the knees
9) Bert Emmanuel Rule
10) Blindside block cannot be delivered by a helmet, forearm, or should to opponent’s neck or head
11) Contact to the head of defenseless receiver is prohibited

Back then, balanced offense was king. This is the pass happy era with so many rules favoring receivers and QB. Alex should be throwing for 300 yards a game. Yet he isn’t.

by cyph on Dec 21, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

except that's not the offense his coach runs

so he’d actually have to be audibling every other play to get there, at which point Harbaugh would cut him.

by mwright84 on Dec 22, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

that’s the fun part we’re still not completely sure… i’m just going to enjoy this season and keep rooting for my team so i hope everyone joins me!

by Don'tCallMeWhiner on Dec 21, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Alex has proven himself to be a good quarterback in the NFL

No one credible is going to contest that. No one is saying he’s elite either. Good quarterbacks take time to develop into that. Alex put in his time.

You aren’t just going to go to the quarterback store tomorrow and come back with a good quarterback. Average doesn’t make starter in the NFL. Average quarterbacks get pulled out and replaced with talented rookies who make lots of mistakes.

"Hey look over there. Isn't that John Candy?"

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

You aren’t just going to go to the quarterback store tomorrow and come back with a good quarterback.

panthers and bengals did.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 21, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Hunter, I'm glad you brought that up

I’m pretty sure neither of those teams is where we are in terms of gaming. The rookies always make mistakes eventually.

They are both likely to become great quarterbacks and are talented young quarterbacks, but they have alot of time before they are at the level of Rogers and Brady.

Newton didn’t come from the quarterback store either, he was the consolation prize. You have to lose a lot of games to get that pick.

"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

So I noticed the omission… They are lacking the experience, knowledge, and techniques of the veteran quarterbacks in the NFL, they will always get in trouble against good defenses. It takes more than raw talent to win games in the NFL, you really have to know what you are doing. We have that in Alex.

"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

That said I am impressed by Dalton, I didn't expect him to do so well in his rookie year.

18 tds 13 int 215 yards per game and an 81 QB rating, not bad for a rookie.

"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

that's fantastic

his biggest knock is that he has red hair.

by mcwagner on Dec 21, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

racist

"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

cam newton passed for 17 and rushed for 13 td.. both have not played like rookies

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 21, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Green

"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Double Rec

A pie can be divided into many pieces. For MOST people the goal is to get as many pieces of that pie as possible. It is my goal to eat the WHOLE pie.

by Fat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

did you read what I wrote or you just felt like blabbering?

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 21, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

did you say something besides
cam newton passed for 17 and rushed for 13 td.. both have not played like rookies

Because Cam has 16 ints to go with those TD’s and Andy has 13. That is pretty rookie like.

The 49ers D is awesome. But part of the reason they are so awesome is the O doesn’t put them in bad positions with lots of TO’s.

Joe, Jerry, Steve, and....Who is next?

by 16to80fan on Dec 21, 2011 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

My bad

Lets just agree that Peter Griffin is funny and call it good.

Joe, Jerry, Steve, and....Who is next?

by 16to80fan on Dec 21, 2011 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed...however, my question....

what defines an ‘elite offense’? 400-500 yards per game? SF doesnt put up huge numbers but they are very efficient on O. I would love to see more TDs as much as anyone else, but those are kinks to be worked out. Maybe adding a ‘big’ WR would help that idea to grow legs…Everything else seems to be solid!

by Hesperia9er on Dec 21, 2011 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't have a definition

of what elite means.

I just used that word because I learned this year that is the only word allowed to be used to describe something good in the NFL.

I just think the 49ers will score more TD’s and hook up on some more big plays a little more often.

Joe, Jerry, Steve, and....Who is next?

by 16to80fan on Dec 21, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

then prove it as OPINION.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 21, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Because he said it.

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by Virginia9er on Dec 21, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Not if we win out

Then we lost a couple tough games and still get a bye.

The Baltimore and Arizona games were challenging in that a lineman went down at the beginning of each of those games. Our line is young and in a new system, it’s tough to hold it together when you grt that situation. Veteren lines have trouble with early injuries, even more so with us.

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by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Could be argued sure

Realistically everyone would have liked it to be 10-3. That is about all you could argue, which is still a 1 score game. The point still stands.

Or you could throw in some more context like the fact that the Steeler’s defense is at least top 3-4 in the league, best in terms of passing.

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by Virginia9er on Dec 21, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I was speaking realistically

The 2nd FG was like a 40 yarder. It wasn’t an issue of poor redzone performance that time. Combination of execution, play-calling and good defense.

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by Virginia9er on Dec 21, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Smith is the best we have this year

he’s doing alright leading the team and they seem to limit him on offense. He’s definitely not a Pro Bowler in the NFC (Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Stafford, Romo are all having better seasons) and not the QB of the future if the future extends past 2012, at least I hope not.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 21, 2011 10:52 AM PST reply actions  

I've said it before and I'll say it again

All this comlaining about Smith feels like someone in America calling up someone else in a 3rd world country who’s living in a shanty and complaining that they only have one car and basic cable. The 49ers are 11-3! They’re tied with the second best record in the NFL. And quite frankly, that Ravens game was a joke. Over the last 15 years teams that have had to travel 3 time zones and play on Thursday are 0-13. And if not for an awful chop block penalty the 49ers might have won that game. Smith is far from perfect but he deserves a lot more credit for their success than some people here are willing to give him.

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by urnext on Dec 21, 2011 11:08 AM PST reply actions  

How much credit?

And what is your evidence? I’m asking honestly because I think Smith’s defenders have a tendency to just point to our W-L record and think that ends the debate.

But it doesn’t because football is a team sport and there are statistical ways to quantify which parts of the team are contributing most to our wins. And these objective analyses invariably conclude it is our defense and special teams, not our offense or passing game, that’s most responsible for our wins.

Smith has has been above average, solid, and serviceable. I have no problem with his being a stopgap for the next few seasons. But his contribution to actual wins has been marginal, and it’s frustrating to see people overstate it.

by Bigmouth on Dec 21, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I would argue that Alex has a subtle side to him

He is getting much better lately, and there are a few areas, big areas, that stand out as problems. But there are some equally big areas that are overlooked or unnoticed or rejected as good play. I can list them but you will have to wait, go ahead and ask.

I think you can come up with at least a few. Think back to the brilliant fake on the TD Monday and little stuff like that. Those litte things add up quick. Give it some time and there will be alot of people praising Alex who have been skeptical of him.

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by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely yes...

…I was just praising his filthy fake on another thread. Alex has done a bunch of things very well and contributed to the team with them. He also gets credit for making very timely plays when the game was on the line. But even when you add all those contributions together, they still don’t amount to much and are completely overwhelmed by the impact of our defensive and special teams play.

This isn’t really Alex’s fault. His receivers have dropped balls, the offensive line play has been inconsistent. Most importantly, Harbaugh just hasn’t called on him to do much, and you can’t make a contribution if you aren’t given the chance to contribute. But I do believe what we’re seeing now is pretty close to Alex’s ceiling in the sense that he’d be less effective at a lot of what he’s doing well (such as avoiding INTs) if he were called upon to throw 40 times a game the way Luck occasionally did.

It will be interesting to see if the playbook expands next year because I’m fairly confident Alex will still be our QB.

by Bigmouth on Dec 21, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe you're right

Maybe you’re wrong…We’ll see soon enough.

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by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

There's one area he's one of the best in the NFL

He’s not turning the ball over. They said in the game that teams with a +1 turnover ratio win 80% of the time. The defense has been doing a great job of forcing turnovers but the 49ers also turn the ball over less than any other team in the NFL and the QB is the biggest contributer to turnovers, whether it’s interceptions or fumbling on a sack. Roethlisberger threw for over 300 yards on Monday compaired to only 187 for Smith, but Roethlisberger also turned it over 4 times while Smith didn’t turn it over at all. Protecting the ball is a big part of their success. And let’s be honest, QB is the most important position on the field. A team can’t go 11-3 if they have a horrible QB or he isn’t doing something to help his team.

In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

by urnext on Dec 21, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

The 49ers are the best in the NFL in this very important area

Alex Smith and Frank Gore are a huge part of that. On the other end the defense is phenominally good at creating turnovers.

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by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I suppose there's a place in the media for Lowell

I don’t where it is yet…

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by Virginia9er on Dec 21, 2011 11:40 AM PST reply actions  

The Jugement channel

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by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

It is funny though

Lowell plays right into Harbaugh’s hand. Jim counts on guys like him and he doesn’t even have to do any shin-kicking.

It is quite evident to me from the questions Lowell asks he doesn’t know much about football.

The irony of him calling Jim’s praise for Alex over-the-top (which it is a bit), is that Lowell’s response is equal over-the-top in the other direction.

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by Virginia9er on Dec 21, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

ok

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 21, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I will say

The whole “Smith hater” thing has gotten out of hand, but this is at least a little creative, particularly given the context of my post.

by David Fucillo on Dec 21, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't worry about it David

Hater isn’t derogatory or obscene, it’s not even really a personal attack, which the act of hating is more so.

Hating is a description of an action and hater is a description of an attitude. It is up to the people involved to keep it from being out of hand.

If you think about it calling someone a hater is actually the same as “hating on” them. so…

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by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

the problem...

is that people throw it out there as part of their argument. Making characterizations about the person making statements is lazy and only serves to create hostility here.

by David Fucillo on Dec 21, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Really because it sounds like your hating on lazy people.

I get tired of haters like you, you’re lazy!

"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea, it's pretty bad form.

But I get more pissed at the Nazi fact checkers/tweekers than the name callers. Name calling is obviously stupid, the other pretends to be something it’s not.

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by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

GEEZ!!!!

11-3!!!!!

If we were 14-0 I swear you Alex haters would still be camped where you are now.
One thing….. Am I the only one who noticed a significant drop in Alex’s production since we lost Josh Morgan? Alex and Josh had something going on.
Okay another thing…. How many perfect bombs passes have the likes of VD dropped this season? Enough to make a very significant difference this season, no????
The whole team is getting better, Alex IS improving and we do have a great chance of making it to the show. But our WR’s & TE’s MUST must make those strides with Alex, simply MUST PERIOD!!!!!
And another thing……. So does the OL, so there!!!!!

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by To The Bone on Dec 21, 2011 12:55 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Harbaugh chose Alex

to be the quarterback of the Niners, that should be good enough for anybody. Harbaugh didn’t bring in a free agent that many wanted, he obviously saw something in Alex and thought he was better than any of the options people were clamoring for. Yes he drafted Kaep, but that was a prudent move since the QB (and everyone) is one play from IR and we didn’t have a backup on the roster at that point. Of course Harbaugh has to support his QB but I think he really believes that Alex is a probowl QB as well. It wasn’t as if they tried to get someone else and had to settle for Alex so he has to say nice things to make him feel welcome. Harbaugh chose Alex right from the beginning so even if you don’t see it in Alex, have faith in Harbaguh.

by NinerOptimus on Dec 21, 2011 12:57 PM PST reply actions  

He had no other options...and it was reported they tried to get Hasselbeck even but he went to Tenn.

They were never gonna give up and overpay for Kolb either thank god, I’d rather have Alex than him.

by Coretete on Dec 21, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

AleX was always the first option.

Jim made that very clear by how he talked about Alex from the very beginning.

Semper Gumbi-always flexible

by Military49er on Dec 21, 2011 1:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

They had options...

Despite “reports” or decision in the front office we aren’t privy to. The evidence points to Alex being Harbaugh’s choice considering how early Alex got the play book and how Harbaugh spoke about Alex from the beginning.

by NinerOptimus on Dec 21, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

He had Carr

Or McNabb… Or he could have traded for Orton… There were options. Harbaugh got the guy he wanted.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

The guy he wanted? There were no options. They wanted a player they didn't have to trade for.

that’s why Hasslbeck was pursued.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 23, 2011 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Jim Harbaughs approach to praising A. Smith. If you think about it…A. Smith has the most veteran experience and yes, he knows what it feels like to lose. However, he shows up everyday and demands that him and all around him do better. I think Harbaugh will conitnue to praise A. Smith to massage his ego that wasseverely attacked basically since he got to SF….and as a result, an efficient QB on an efficient O. Football, like life is a TEAM game!

by Hesperia9er on Dec 21, 2011 8:15 PM PST reply actions  

A. Smith has had his fair share of bad throws

But he has put a few balls in recievers hands at or near the End Zone that they should have caught. Likewise, some of his other throws have been easy drops that should have been caught for positive gains. A. Smiths numbers may not be that great in todays NFL, where we see some teams throwing upwards of 40 pass attempts per contest. His TD to interception ratio is excellent though. This, plus the fact that he has us winning, has orchastreated some come back victories, and is taking care of the football should consider him over tony romo and mathew stafford for the pro bowl. I think A. Smith will only get better under a stable coaching staff and system. I would hope that we sign D. Gholdston and Carlos Rodgers to fairly long deals, so that we can target the best possible reciever in next years draft. Braylon Edwars, Micheal Crabtree, Kyle Williams and Josh Morgan make a fairly good set of recievers, however any one of those can have an off year or injury riddled season, so a fresh young reciever would do us more good than any other position as far as our first round pick goes.

by erob52 on Dec 21, 2011 8:46 PM PST reply actions  

Everybody is arguing about how good/bad Alex is...

and how we need a better QB or Elite QB, how he is a product of a system. Every QB is a product of a system, as a coach it is your job to put your QB in a position to succeed. That is why QBs who switch coordinators often are doomed because they do not know the ins and outs of their system. The longer you are in a system, the more efficient you are, the more crispy your offense is. Elite QBs are rare to come by and there is NO perfect way to find one. You cant just go out and draft one. It is rare that you can trade for one. We had Steve Young on the bench for years behind Montana. Having an Elite QB does not make your chances of winning a superbowl any greater, having the better team does. (See New Englands undefeated year where they loss against the Giants in the Superbowl) Right now Harbaugh can continue to develop Smith and next year and years to come he can master the system he is in to move up in the world of quarterbacking. Who cares about how he compares to the other QBs if we can wins games and win championships.

by rocdateam on Dec 22, 2011 2:29 AM PST reply actions  

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