49ers 2012+ Quarterback: Alex Smith? (Fill In The Blank)?
If the quarterback-head coach bromance between Alex Smith and Jim Harbaugh wasn't enough in September, things may have just gotten hot and heavy in December with the 49ers at 11-3, competing for a first round bye in the playoffs. After this most recent 49er victory engineered by late game heroics by Smith, coach Harbaugh gave a strong endorsement for Smith as the third NFC Pro Bowl quarterback this year -- classed with Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees.
Rodgers and Brees, who are both having remarkable seasons, are also the leaders of their respective teams. And much like Smith, they have posted winning records; the top three in the NFC. However, it is no mystery that Smith is a long shot for the Pro Bowl and is likely trailing Tony Romo, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford and Eli Manning; all of which have not played as clean and as successful as Smith. But I digress---
What struck me about Harbaugh saying this, is that it is indeed late in the season and Smith is still under the terms of a one-year contract. What struck me even more was when I began to think about my offseason preference regarding the QB situation, I don't really know where I stand anymore.
On the one hand, we have Alex Smith who until now has been a seven-year-long headache. And on the the other, there is a draft and free agency approaching that could include the likes of Peyton Manning. Either way, there are a lot of questions and concerns that come with this decision.
In The Event of Retaining Alex Smith
There are a lot of positives that come with keeping Smith. First of all, he can grow in this offense because he's shown he can do it on a weekly basis. If Smith has offseason's to work with Harbaugh and this offensive staff, he could begin putting up 250-300 yard games more regularly. We would retain a passer who has had a rating in the low to high 90's for most of this season and a winning record.
We know Smith is mentally tough and can win on the road. We know he is intelligent and won't turn the ball over. We know that he plays for 60 minutes and will put it on the line for his teammates. The 49ers would likely get great value at a discount price because he doesn't throw for 400-yards a game like Brees and Rodgers. And most of all, his teammates believe in him and don't quit on him.
Concerns: performance decline after new contract, someone out there can better execute the offense, stops developing, length of contract-Kaepernick status
In The Event of Letting Alex Smith Walk
What kind of message does that send to the team? Will he want to come back or would he like to test the market in a quarterback-needy league? Is Peyton Manning going to be a free agent? Where is Colin Kaepernick at?
The odds are, Smith will be re-signed. After examining the facts and playing out possible scenarios, they mostly lead to bromance > business. If San Francisco does let him walk, I can't see Manning wanting to play for a hands on system that is not his own -- there is ego involved with him. With that in mind, is there anything better out there than Smith right now? Or could it work with Manning?
The draft has a lot of potential first year passers in Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, RG3 and Ryan Tannenhill. But the 49ers aren't in draft position or need to pursue one; more pressing needs could be addressed with the draft. But then again, a great quarterback could put San Francisco over the top. The consensus seems to be that the defense isn't too shabby and an elite passer could turn the 49ers from a powerhouse to a dynasty.
Furthermore:
If negotiations with Smith dissolve for whatever reason, the question becomes would Harbaugh and Trent Baalke be bold enough to trade up to secure one of the four college passers listed above. All signs point to Andrew Luck, which could become a possibility if Manning was healthy, able to live up to his contract and the Colts were looking to trade out of the #1 spot. Mind you, it would be tough for them to trade up given the success this year.
The Rams are also in contention for the #1 overall pick, which is interesting because they wouldn't necessarily be looking at a quarterback with their investment in Sam Bradford. Baalke can be aggressive on draft day, Niners fans have seen it. Though I doubt the Rams would want to conduct fair business with the 49ers, especially if it came to providing them with their quarterback of the future.
Concerns: rookie quarterback a bust, dry QB free agency, Manning unavailable, team morale regarding Smith departure, new QB fitting system
These are just some thoughts I've been kicking around and decided to share, and hopefully get some feedback as to what Niners Nation out there thinks. And like I said, I don't know where I stand. All I know is, at the end of the day, In Harbaugh I Trust.
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Is a good QB who will get better over time with your great coach
But right now I dont believe he can put up the kind of points in the play-offs it will take to keep up with the Saints,Falcon,or Packers
I know you have a great defense but those three teams can put up points quickly on any defense they will still get 25-30 pionts a game in the play-offs
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 22, 2011 7:52 AM PST reply actions
Did you see the Packers game this last week?
KC got pressure on Rogers the whole game, and they only put up 14 points. If you can get constant pressure on these teams, it can really disrupt their offense, and force them to play a more ball control type game, just like KC did with GB, and the Niners have a much better defense that KC.
I think the whole problem with the Packers
They lost 3 OLinemen in that game 1 is out for the year rookie Derick Sherrod but I think the other 2 will be back for the playoffs
I dont believe the Pack is invinsible and I do think they can be beat
But i’m not ready to write them off after 1 game
The Saints lost to the Rams although we havent lost in six weeks since then
The 49ers lost to the Cards
So its a thing that happens every year a good team always lays an egg sometime during the year against a bad team
But you have a valid point on the Pack it all depends on how their OL comes back
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 22, 2011 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
The Rams are considerably worse than the Cards…Just saying.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
A loss to a non playoff team is a lose no matter who they are
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 22, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Cards are still in the playoff hunt. As are the Seahawks
Cards have won 6 of 7
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Their only loss in there coming to us
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Yea...that makes no sense
You are basically saying that 20 of 32 teams are all equal as they don’t make the playoffs.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
And your telling me a loss 6 weeks ago is a problem
Considering we have beat the Falcons,Detroit,Giants and Titans since then and haven’t lost in 6 weeks
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 23, 2011 4:48 AM PST up reply actions
I'll agree with the Saints and Packers putting up points
but the Falcons,eh. They are not consistent and over the season only average one point more per game than the 49ers. Smith also edges out Ryan as far as QB rating. When you add our defense and takeaways, plus great field position with special teams, I would easily put money on Alex and the Niners. He’s a good QB for our system.
See this is a very common misconception about QBs on great defensive teams.
You assume that the QB can’t “put up the kind of points” they need against good offenses, but the reason for such a good defense is to not only minimize the points the other team scores, but give your offense more opportunities to score. Also, a quarterback like Alex is capable of putting up points against sub-par defenses. Green Bay certainly falls under that description, especially considering their only strength (turnovers, and specifically interceptions) are not an issue with Alex.
The Niners have not once been in a shootout this year. Not once. No team has scored more than 24 points against them in regulation. And the 49ers are more than capable of keeping up with that.
I would actually classify the Giants game a a pseudo-shootout...
While not a shootout like what the Saints and Packers would have, it was a back and forth game that was predicated on Alex taking control and throwing the ball.
by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Conventional Wisdom Alert
He seemed to keep up alright with Michael Vick, Matthew Stafford and Ben Rothlisberger. If the Saints expect to take the Niners apart, they better get the #2 seed because if they play them in SF they are in for a battle – Drew Brees or not. This weekend (SF @ Sea; Atl @ NO) very well may decide who plays in the NFC Championship game.
I dont know any Saints players or fans that plan to take the 49ers apart
In the playoffs it’s a whole new season and anyone is capable of winning
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 22, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Realistically, Brees is playing out of his mind right now...
It’s a whole new season once the playoffs hit, but I think most people would believe that Brees is going to take over that game regardless of who has what seed.
by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Real Talk
I agree whole heartedly, but man what a great feeling to be winning again. I also agree that we should keep Alex @ a bargain and continue to have him work with Harbaugh on his confidence and accuracy. I would use draft picks to shore up the offensive line and bonified receiver that’s not only a deep threat but also not afraid of to go across the middle. The quick 5 yard hitch pass with a strong receiver that can run after the catch.
The quick 5 yard hitch pass with a strong receiver that can run after the catch.
his name is Michael Crabtree
I've been having the same back and forth about Alex...
but I think all signs point to Alex returning as the starter. Harbaugh said that his system takes 2 years to learn, and Alex isn’t even a year in, and is already having his best season of his career. At this point I don’t see Harbaugh scrapping Alex and starting all over with a new QB who has to learn the system from the beginning.
Smith is perfectly fine for this team while Kaepernick is groomed
Smith has improved greatly as the season has progressed and he couldn’t even work with the coaches for an off-season. With another off-season, I can see Harbs completely focusing on fixing the smaller details that still ellude Smith. He has subtly mentioned mechanics here and there in press conferences, but you can’t focus on fixing that during a winning season. This coming off-season will 99% see Smith re-signed and begin extensive work to correct any flaws in what he does on the field. He will also have a greater understanding of the playbook and the principles of what we want to do on each play on offense. Manning has used the same playbook for 13 years, while this will be Alex’s first.
As for the future, Manning himself was raving about Kaepernick at his private QB camp this past year. Said he was one of the smartest young QBs he had ever worked with and all but guaranteed that he could become an incredibly successful QB in the NFL. This team is fine at QB for the short term; long term remains to be seen.
Another big help will be if our WR corp is healthy and set during the off-season. We should be looking at something like: 1. Crabtree; 2. Williams; 3. Morgan; 4. Ginn; and a Rookie mixed in somewhere.
I never knew manning had said that.....
"You have to reinvent yourself each year, ... What helped us was that there was some turnover each year." Bill Walsh...
by AzNiner on Dec 22, 2011 8:22 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I agree on Smith
I dont believe he has ever had a chance to shine with a Offensive mined coach
My example is Drew Brees he was ok in San Diego but never great or elite
He got teamed up with Sean Payton a former QB and after a few years has become a great QB ( in my opinion)
I could see the same for Alex Smith now that he has the right combination of coaches and great defense to help him get the ball back and control the tempo of the game
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 22, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
yeah there is no one that will argue with u otherwise
a ring tends to do that haha
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
Unless you are Dilfer
If the Niners win a ring this year, Alex will still be regarded as a decent QB that happened to play on a team with an outstanding Defense, which is partially true. At this point in his career, even a ring will give Alex “great” status. He will have to be “great” for years before the general perception can be changed. However, it also seems that for Alex, what the general perception is no longer matters. Perhaps he has learned that only the guys on the team, the man in the mirror, and those little eyes watching dad play are all that really matter. Alex IS playing great football right now in a situation that is nothing less than amazing. I for one, hope it is a taste of a delicious and long future!. I love watching football in December again!
Smith is fine if we don’t want to contend for a superbowl.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Coaching goes a long way
And i’m a real believer in Jim Harbough
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 22, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
Trent Dilfer won a super bowl.... *rolls eyes*
So did Brad Johnson. Smith has played games well enough to beat legit teams. This team can win a Super Bowl with him under center because of the other things we do well.
by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
replying
Do you not realize that he knows he gets a rise out of you at this point? You could say he plays you like a fiddle.
by David Fucillo on Dec 22, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Well that would be a matter of whether he actually believes most of the stuff he says or if it is just to intentionally get a rise out of people.
I suspect it is a bit of both.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
by Virginia9er on Dec 22, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
depends
If he believes what he is saying I am less inclined to scream troll. I think troll is an overused word on the Internet.
by David Fucillo on Dec 22, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Ok so we can just say delusional in the future
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
And Delhomme almost won that game against a Pats defense that was one of the best in the league at the time
People need to throw away conventional wisdom sometimes. Just like how Tebow can never be an NFL QB; he’s won 7 of 9 starts. Or how Alex Smith is only an average QB; 91 QB rating is above average.
by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Mark Rypien too!
As well as Len Dawson and Bob Griese… both prototypical “game managers” who did just enough to win their way into the HoF.
If you keep him, the defense needs to be better, I know it's aying a lot, but in my opinion it is the case.
I can tell you how the 49ers will exit the playoffs, the opposition will spread them out and dissect the secondary. Goldson is a proven liability vs the deep ball and so is Brown. Rothlisberger’s bad ankle let them off the hook.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
with the way this defense has played
lots of mediocre QB’s can win these games and win some playoff games. But it’s hard to count on each and every week to both keep the opposing team off the scoreboard AND get you field positon
I think the defense is good, but I don't think it has been exposed. A vertical passing team, ala, Saints, Pakcers, and Lions can beat the Niners.
And I m fully aware of the win vs the Detroit kittens.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Doesn't being in the playoff mean
your contending for the superbowl?
Well... technically.
But there’s always a few teams that just kind of stumbled in and while they don’t have NO chance, it’s basically guaranteed they’re going to lose along the way. There are a few that fit that description this season: anyone from the AFC West (unless the Chargers win it), Whoever wins the last seed in the NFC, and whichever team stumbles out of the NFC East.
The Niners, however, do not fit that description. Though they might be not be favorites, the most they’d be is 4 or 5 point underdogs. There’s plenty of good reasons the Niners could win this year.
And before you ask, the Packers did not fit that description last year. They improved drastically as the season went on and didn’t come out of nowhere.
I'm not sure Smith is the problem yet...
Part of me, the jackass part, feels like the team is a “QB away” but the logical side of me thinks that the lack of offensive production stems from lack of chemistry and knowledge of playbook. I believe Harbaugh himself said it takes 2 years to learn his offense. To me, the defense carrying the team is a “for now” thing.
Now to your argument…
If Harbaugh’s system is indeed that difficult, which all evidence points to, AND if your point that Smith can not take us to a Superbowl is true than I believe it is also true that the 49ers will not be seeing a Superbowl in the next 3 years (by ur logic) regardless of who the QB is. These years are very important important as our defense is ready for that trophy NOW. If we develop a QB I don’t believe he ll be ready until after that prime has been eclipsed. Therefore I will go with Smith as he gives the highest chance of getting that trophy in the next 3 years.
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
I have been using this logic for a while now....
And I am fine with Kaepernick getting an extended learning time from the bench. We are not paying him so much money that a 3-4 year stint on the bench is all that much of a problem. If it plays out that way and Kaepernick is still on the roster and demonstrating his abilities in limited opportunities, we might be in a position to say that we have to find out, but that is a long way away right now!
QB and WRs ...
alex has shown more than enough to continue here next year. he’s been far better than most of us thought he’d be. for the first time ever, he’s actually got a fighting chance and is being led by someone who knows what he’s doing. i sat here on tuesday morning thinking how different his career might have been had he had harbaugh as his rookie year coach.
looking at the offense (which frustrates me most series) i see three issues. first, alex doesn’t seem very good at throwing down the sidelines. second, our receivers drop the ball far too often. finally, we are far too predictable.
but that comes with a full offseason, healthy WR core, and continual growth in the system...
this is a QB with ANOTHER system and coaching staff, and NO offseason. imagine how much better things can be when the coaches have TIME with team to actually TEACH the system, and guide the players through the playbook, which has only been cracked open.
I believe Norv Turner was our guy
I wonder what if Norv never abandoned us. He would have ultamitely succeeded Nolan, and Alex Smith would have reached his potential years ago. In reality the 49ers screwed Alex’ career up. In a way we owe him a chance at redemtion.
Keep in mind
Some of what makes Alex who he is today are the very same rough events that have led to this place. Maybe Alex would have shown up his talent better, but what if he never developed the toughness and thick skin he has today? Would that have been enough to get us to the final dance? It is possible that VD never emerged. We might still be stuck with selfish guys like Lloyd on this team that only play for themselves. Certainly, if Turner had ever succeeded Nolan as some suggest, even if Alex DID blossom faster, our D would be mediocre and our team would under achieve consistently.
Think of it this way. If Singletary had won just one more game last year, we would probably not have JH and Co as our coaching staff. It was painful to underachieve our talent last year (and yes, our talent was better than 6-10), but that has put us into position where our future looks bright! Alex’s career is largely the same.
I'd be surprised if Smith isn't on the 49ers next season
Harbaugh says a QB needs 2 years in his system to fully grasp it. He seems to be willing to let Smith get those 2 years before deciding one way or another (despite his recent comments). The only other QBs on the roster are in their first year in the league and with the system, so going with Kaep or Tolzein won’t happen, absent a Smith injury/meltdown.
In any event, Smith is probably more valuable to the 49ers than he is to any other team. I don’t see the team investing what it takes to get Manning or anyone better than Smith. Smith will be here next year.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2011 8:48 AM PST reply actions
I guess we know why Harbaugh likes to redshirt his QBs.
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by manraj7 on Dec 22, 2011 11:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sign Smith to a 2 year extension....
Everyone would have to agree, Alex Smith has exhibited improvement and made plays he never would have made before this season under Harbaugh.
Im trusting, knowing how hard Alex works, that there will indeed be another “step up” level of his performance come 2012.
Thats why the 9ers should re-sign for 2 years… let Alex show us that he indeed again improved in 2012.
Don’t think it wise for Alex or the 49ers to sign more than a 2 year contract.
During the meantime, Kaepernick can continue to be molded by Harbaugh and possibly at some point in 2013 season Alex and Kaepernick may serious compete against each other for the starter position or possibly one of them may be offered in a trade to gain more valuable draft picks to keep our team young & competitive.
It's smart for Alex to sign for longer than 2 years, not the team...
Alex’s best chance to start is here, but even if he loses the starting job, he still has a contract better than that of the average backup if he signs a longer term starters deal. It works in his favor to sign long term one way or another.
by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
I would guess that both parties would be satisfied with a 3-year deal.
If Alex flops, which I doubt, he can be let go after his second year, and if he doesn’t perform up to expectations, 3 years is enough time to find a suitable alternative without sacrificing a season.
Very true...
If he flops though, he’s a quality back up for us or we trade for a later round pick to another team desperate for a back up or that loses their starter early in the year.
by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
I was also thinking a 3 year deal is just about ideal for both parties given the circumstances.
That is enough time but not too much time for both. If things work out, GREAT! If not, the Niners can cut their losses at any point without too great of a salary cap impact.
I really do like Alex, and hope he really thrives. But unless he does, I don’t see him here beyond 3 more years. By then Kaep will be ready (if he develops as expected…)
by ColoradoNiner on Dec 22, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Harbaugh will go into camp with the same mentality that every position is a competition....
Even if Kaepernick lights it up in preseason, I’d be surprised if Alex doesn’t start week 1 next year.
by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Keep Smith But Develop Kaepernick
I would like to see a REAL QB competition for next season. If Kaepernick is ready, then the future is obvious. If not, continue with Smith. And please forget Manning, he is not a fit for this team.
Not a Fit? Offensive weapons and a stellar defense, oh please.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
The Passing Game
Sorry to jump in with some slightly off topic talk, I’ve noticed the last couple of weeks that Alex and the Niners seem to be throwing the ball to the outside a lot. Lots of down and out (more of the shorter variety 4-8 yards) and sideline patterns. Don’t see very many, if any slants or crossing patterns across the middle of the field 10+ yards away…why is that??
Is it the play calling or Alex just looks off the receivers over the middle and is more comfortable throwing outside where there isn’t help from the safeties??
Just wondering if anyone had any insight… thanks!
Likely gameplan dictates this...
The media criticized the passing game for not taking shots down field and having a more prolific passing game. Harbaugh and Roman are likely giving them what they want now, while giving the team practice reps during the games on these patterns and plays. Once the playoffs hit, gloves are likely to come off and we’ll see more stuff in the middle of the field and more diverse route combinations.
by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
At least at the Steelers game
They were taking what the Steelers were giving. Those cornerbacks were leaving a ton of cushion, as if they were afraid Alex would burn them deep.
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by achiappanza on Dec 23, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
With his play this season under Harbaugh's system,
I think Alex Smith has earned his role as the 49ers starter, instead of just a brief place-holder. I wouldn’t go nuts and offer him a 10 year deal or anything, but I think a solid 4-year offer, paying what an above-average QB would make, would be justified. He has earned the right to be the starter next year, but not necessarily after that.
With two seasons of watching and learning under his belt, I would expect Kaepernick to press for time starting his third season. If CK has proven himself in practice by then, I say give him an honest shot. But for the remainder of this year, and the beginning of next, Alex has earned his starting role.
Question: I too am very high on Alex Smith, but ... would you take Andrew Luck instead if you could get him?
I have serious doubts that Luck will fall on his face … he may not become as great an NFL QB as most people believe that he will, but even if not, will he not be one of the top 3 or 4? Under any circumstances, baring catastrophic injury, wouldn’t it be nice to have a long-term franchise QB again? And watch the charismatic relationship between Luck and Harbaugh renewed to operate for the Niners’ benefit?
I have to run to an appointment now, but I will post later today how I believe that we may have just the “perfect storm” circumstances that would enable the Niners to get Andrew Luck. Stay turned …
by 49erFanSince1950 on Dec 22, 2011 9:38 AM PST reply actions
perfect storm
would be trading away extreme value for a player that is hyped to be the greatest quarterback of all time. If anyone in the world knows the true value of Luck it would be Harbaugh. If they aggressively go for him then you can believe the hype. Otherwise, I assume the 49ers will continue to play Smith while developing talent behind the starter (like how we used to).
You're absolutely right ... only Harbaugh knows for sure where both Alex and Andrew fit into QB rankings ...
And, whether getting Andrew would be worth the effort, and at what cost.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Dec 22, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Alex is a proven QB at the NFL level. He's nothing special, but draft picks don't always pan out the way they're supposed to.
For a team that is still, in fact, rebuilding, I’d say trading away that many draft picks for a non-veteran is not a good idea.
Sure if he falls to a point you can get him...
hell yeah you get him. If Baalke and Harbaugh believe that he is the truth and he will be a true franchise QB, then you do not pass on him for anything. Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Manning; they can all overcome a bad defense or some offensive mistakes with their play, so if you can get a guy like that, you take him no matter what.
by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
This was Matt Millen's philosophy too
Although he applied it to WRs
Oh WOW, the idea of it is somewhat annoying. Luck this Luck that, We're 11-3 there is NO WAY the NINERS draft Luck.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
True. We would have to outbid like 10 other teams, all of which would have better draft position than us.
Pretty absurd to even consider this an option.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 22, 2011 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
Peyton
I think it’s hard to argue that Peyton Manning is a long-term solution for any team. I think he’ll be risky and expensive. I’d like to not hear anymore about picking up Peyton.
Doesn't matter...
The Jets will break the bank for him if they have the chance. Their GM will put them in cap hell for 10 years for a chance to win the SB. And that’s one of the reasons the Colts became terrible without Manning; no money to retain or sign quality players elsewhere.
by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Yep
I want to laugh every time I here it. This is one of the last things I want, and is stupid considering the Niners situation.
"Let It Roll"
by To The Bone on Dec 22, 2011 10:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He's got money, if he leaves he will take what he can, because he will be choosing where he wants to pay.
A guy like manning is not gonna, let money decide where he plays. He’s got paper dawg.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
destruction
I truly believe the niners need to resign Smith, for several reasons, the biggest would be team unity..
If Smith were shown the door, i think the team would be let down by the FO, which would then lead to a subpar season..
CK still needs time, Smith, with a full off season and the same playbook, will be a huge improvement..
I just hope the FO sees this as much as people here see it..
by sundaysfinest on Dec 22, 2011 9:44 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
They do I'm sure
"Let It Roll"
by To The Bone on Dec 22, 2011 10:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Jeff Garcia!!!! bring him back!
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Garcia in his prime was awesome.
A. Smith + tiger blood + Harbaugh = #winning
by moto9er on Dec 22, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yes sir!!!!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 22, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Kaepernick has shown nothing
Due to Alex’s durability, Kaepernick has been in only for mop-up duty a couple of times with mixed results, that’s it. We have no idea whether he is actually the QBOTF or not. I still think the Niners traded up to get Andy Dalton, then had to settle for CK when Cincinnati got to him first. In any case, as someone above said, it takes two years to learn Harbaugh’s system. Kaepernick hasn’t been in it any longer than Smith, so there’s no way he could be better with it.
I’d say sign Alex to a three-year deal. That will give him another year of learning, then two of high-level production. If he doesn’t meet Harbaugh’s expectations he becomes the backup for whoever is the next man up. That allows the team to have continuity at the position, which is at least as important as any factor.
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" it takes two years to learn Harbaugh’s system. Kaepernick hasn’t been in it any longer than Smith, so there’s no way he could be better with it".
Except Alex has been to the School of Hard Knocks, and earned a PhD!!! Is this not invaluable if you think about it?
"Let It Roll"
by To The Bone on Dec 22, 2011 11:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
You're still wrong
They could have gotten Dalton by trading with Green Bay. They didn’t. As soon as Dalton came off the board and the developmental QB Kaep who everybody believed would be next to last (Mallett) to come off the board, they moved up. When nobody else could take the NFL ready player in Dalton and Kaep was there to be taken by the Raiders. They jumped. It was obviously Kaep. As obvious as OJ being guilty. Doesn’t mean people still think because the glove didn’t fit they needed to acquit.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Agree about Kaep but
I like a two year deal with a third year option to fire up a genuine competition.
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by backonthebandwagon on Dec 22, 2011 10:10 AM PST reply actions
Why the option...
Give him 3 years and open the competition officially in the final year and tell him nothing is guaranteed. What happens if Kaepernick gets hurt in his first year starting and we have no competant backup? Alex already knows nothing is guaranteed if he re-signs anyway. Harbaugh is way too competitive and he won’t let Alex get complacent as the incumbent. He’ll definitely bust his butt to make sure Alex is as well-oiled and game ready as possible, but that doesn’t guarantee him the job.
by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Alex Smith's probowl chances
are probably really slim if even niner fans aren’t voting for him, lol _. Let’s hope he’ll make a splash next season!
Even if Alex had performed at a clearly higher level,
he’s got too much of a stigma associated with him to be voted into a pro bowl. The Pro Bowl is pretty much a joke at this point, and Alex is not winning any popularity contests outside his own team. Which is all that really matters, in my opinion.
He'll get in when the other 5 guys ahead of him all get haircuts.
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Probably true
But how can you know that as fact? He does better next season then why not. I believe he will be significantly better, can’t have proof but I can speculate.
"Let It Roll"
by To The Bone on Dec 22, 2011 11:09 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with you, but it will take a while to make that turnaround.
Pro Bowl voters tend to highly rate playoff wins, for instance. It’s going to take a Super Bowl trip, or at least two or three wins in the playoffs, to consider Alex a Pro Bowl contender. Especially with the very average numbers he puts up. It’s not out of the question, but I think we’re at least 2 years away from any Alex Smith Pro Bowl bid.
Terrible "Article"
No offense but this article has absolutely no substance. Nothing like a little A. Smith bashing to stir up business.“seven-year-long headache” you DeSimone have once again shown your inability to assess football. Since ‘06 it’s been clear that A. Smith ranks as a decent at worst, but more likely a good NFL QB. With only a coaching change the team has a breakthrough year. If you can’t see the correlation you are not fit to write about football. Not re-signing Smith who is currently 11-3 is not gonna happen, even if it is your secret Christmas wish. It’s your prerogative to keep writing about delusional hypothetical situations and not to realize that even though seven years of hating by people like you is not going to result in A. Smith’s departure anytime soon. I’ve always said A. Smith is good, nothing more, nothing less. This year without clowns for a coaching staff he’s been able to show that consistently. No more haters, please, roll with the fact that our team is awesome on defense and good on offense. For now I’ll take it, and with an actual off season, some decent healthy wide outs and another year of experience for Hunter, the offense is gonna be real good. The future is bright FAITHFUL.
A. Smith + tiger blood + Harbaugh = #winning
by moto9er on Dec 22, 2011 10:19 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
You should read more carefully
I never bashed Alex. I said “until now” he has been a headache. and he has been, have you been satisfied with the 49ers performance with him under center until this season? I also insisted that we do bring him back, citing the upside and the longshot it would be to get someone better suited than him. I think your the one that is a bit delusional
by Dylan DeSimone on Dec 22, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
So calling him a headache is not "bashing"?
I mentioned ‘06, the only year #11 has had a decent offensive coach, coincidentally the same year he had a decent performance. I’ve been satisfied with Smith, he’s done his part and never whined when the chips were down. It’s part of being the “Faithful”. I’m not one of the fans who booed A. Smith at the Stick because I could see that he was the least of the 49ers problems over the last 7 years. I guess in 1 short off season Smith has transformed? Uh no, the coaching staff and O-line have had major upgrades. I could see that he was a good QB, even when the team was not that great. I guess clear headed observation of his abilities goes down as delusional in your book. I guess that makes Harbaugh delusional as well since he came to the same conclusion.
A. Smith + tiger blood + Harbaugh = #winning
I'm impressed, you win, I won't think for myself anymore
But in reality, I’m allowed to form my own opinion and if it’s different from yours, tough. You took one part of what I said and ran with it. Lighten up.
by Dylan DeSimone on Dec 22, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Seemed like a fair assessment to me.
Whether or not it’s his fault, The Alex situation has indeed been a headache for many years. We had our own fans booing a QB, even when he was doing pretty well. What else do you call that but a headache?
Thank You moto9er!!
I didn’t want to say it….
"Let It Roll"
by To The Bone on Dec 22, 2011 11:13 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
QB Situation
Before last years draft, I pointed to Kaep as a guy that can be our QB of the future (give him 2-3 years and give him the starting nod) and I still believe it. Kaep has a strong accurate arm, but just needs to learn the system and he should be fine. I think we should reward Alex for a job well done this year by giving him a 2 year deal and then let Kaep loose on the NFL. I envision a Rodgers type situation with Kaep, but that’s just my opinion. Whatever happens though I’m a NINER for life and will stick by this team til I die!!! GO NINERS!!!
Need better receivers first
Can develop or sign another QB if necessary. Have two interesting backups. Over a two-year period there’s a fifty percent chance of an injury & need to have two battle-ready QBs for the long seasons.
A. Smith Victims
Here’s a list of “elite” QBs Smith has beaten this year: Vick, Stafford, Manning and Rothlisberger. Romo escaped by the skin on his teeth in OT. He beat Vick and Stafford on the road. Where does this nonsense that he can’t keep up with “elite” QBs come from?
You could definitely put the Cowboys loss on the defense
That was the worst performance of the year, and came against a QB with broken ribs and a punctured lung. Offense stunk it up the other two games.
by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
they do need to score more
If we want to look at the Dallas game, that was when Alex had his “what are you doing?” moment on the interception. I think we can all agree that those have decreased tremendously as he used to have one of those a game.
I'd be fine with Alex if we could get more TDs and a lil better accuracy.
I’m a lil chapped that our lack of TDs led to Jerry’s scoring record being broken by a kicker…long live Jerry.
We also had a stretch where the run game was lighting it up and Alex was efficient...
They may not have been scoring points in bunches, but the offense wasn’t a problem then. Lately, the run game has been less consistant and Alex has been struggling in the red zone; along with the receivers dropping sure TD passes and first down catches more often.
The offense certainly needs to step it up, but to say that we’ve won strictly on the strength of the defense is inaccurate. The Philly and Tampa games are prime examples; and you could say that Detroit was a game where our offense pulled through when they had to.
by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
No idea.
Fast food-instant gratification-ESPN highlight modern-mentality. I predicted A. Smith would have a 2:1 TD/INT ratio with 24 TDs, 12 INTs this season. He’s got a 3:1 ratio now, with a few less TDs than I predicted, I’ll take it when it results in an 11-3 record. Wins are what matter, A. Smith fits the system even if people on this site still want an “elite” QB to swoop in.
A. Smith + tiger blood + Harbaugh = #winning
Yes
And thnks to our defense too though, except for 1st half of Eagles game and at the very end end of that one. And we are lucky Big Ben had his left leg tied up behind his thigh. Could have been a much different outcome you know?
"Let It Roll"
by To The Bone on Dec 22, 2011 11:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Regarding Kaepernick....
Colin reminds me of a poor man’s version of Cam Newton….he has very similar physical tools as Cam, the height, weight, foot speed, big arm, I think smarts too.
Today of course Cam is better…..but down the road, I think Kaepernick will compare to Cam favorable.
And Kaepernick has Coach Harbaugh on his side too!!!
Before this season began
many of us were of the opinion that the best possible scenario would be for Alex Smith to raise his game to a level sufficient enough for CK to learn from the sideline for 1-2 years. So far, so good.
There are still many niners fans that aren’t sold on Kaepernick, citing good reasons for their hesitation. I personally think he will be an outstanding QB, especially with a couple years to sit back and learn Harbaugh’s entirely new system.
Keep has a cannon doesn't he?
This will be a lot of fun when the time comes..
"Let It Roll"
by To The Bone on Dec 22, 2011 11:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
*Kaep
But yeah, “keep Kaep” :)
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by To The Bone on Dec 22, 2011 11:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
We're gonna need receivers who can catch a cannon, though...
I don’t think Vernon’s going to like him.
I think Newton is bigger...
The guy is like a linebacker under center and Kaepernick is a little more lanky. Either way, CK7 should be just fine when he’s ready to step in and start or if he moves on before he has that chance.
by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
more like DE/OLB
I don’t know if there are that many 6’5" linebackers.
Harbaughcalypse Now
By "poor man's Cam Newton" are you referring to Colin's bigger arm, superior running ability, or higher intelligence?
"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt this team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh
by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 22, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Pros Far Outweigh the Cons.
I have been at times frustrated with Alex’s play and imagined how potent our offense could theoretically be. However, Alex has made some really, really good throws. He has stood tough, he has eluded and escaped when the OL was struggling. He has not fumbled whilst being sandwiched and slammed. He has had balls dropped. He has not hurt us with turnovers. He has “managed” to get enough points to win most of the games. He is a stand-up guy who takes responsibility, is accountable, works hard, is intelligent. I believe he can, and will, continue to improve. I don’t agree with the Pro-Bowl assessment, but he will be the starting QB next year barring the unforeseen, because he is the best option available for winning. And that’s the bottom line.
lol that article is terrible...
People don’t love Tebow because they think if he can play in the NFL, they can too. Everybody knows he is one of the most legendary college players ever, and that he is built like a fullback or small tight end. He has great athleticism! Everybody knows that!
BTW, Alex is “blessed” with Ted Ginn? I like him on the 9ers but we all know he’s a suspect pass-catcher at BEST. Vernon Davis doesn’t have the best hands either, despite his freak speed and strength. And Crabtree does have great hands, but he’s made some ridicu-drops this season too.
What a boring take. Some Alex Smith haters don’t get it. Nobody thinks that Alex is a GREAT qb. He’s decent, and he’s smart, and he’s a good athlete. I don’t know where the idea that he is immobile came from. He’s not a super instinctive constant scrambling threat like some guys, but he’s not exactly Carson Palmer on the other hand. He’s middle of the pack.
Harbaughcalypse Now
Hahaha Vernon Davis could make Caleb Hanie look competent?
This is… see this is the problem. People have decided Alex is a bad QB and make excuses for that.
Like I’ve said before, it’s going to take a couple years for people to come around on Alex. Our own fans mostly have, but the majority of the nation has not seen Alex’s consistency on a week-to-week basis. Looking forward to the playoffs.
"Tony Romo, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford and Eli Manning; all of which have not played as clean and as successful as Smith."
yo, it’s “all of whom” dog! editing ftw!
Harbaughcalypse Now
Good post
I think Smith deserves a multi-year contract, and I really think he will evolve into a much better QB in the coming years. The Coach/QB relationship is critical, and they have developed a great one.
How long? I don’t know. I would expect a 3 year deal, but I wouldn’t be surprised if its 2 (I think this is more likely to happen if its one and done in the playoffs). It would be quite a ringing endorsement if they gave him 4 or 5 years.
I’m totally behind the guy. He’s done enough to deserve 49ers fans full support. It truly baffles me how many people still find a way to complain about an 11-3 division champion battling for a first round bye. Fantasy football obsessed much?
Smith is still flawed and non-spectacular, but I’m really curious to see how this evolves over the next few years. It could become something big time. The improvements Smith made with a 6 week Harbaugh off-season makes me wonder what happens after a 6 month off-season. And it isn’t crazy to think of the possibility that said 6 month off-season would be as Superbowl champions.
Jim Harbaugh AND Alex Smith are our future!
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He didn't make improvements throwing the ball, he has made improvements in not fumbling and not making boneheaded throws.
And then it’s call strides and flashes of brilliance. It’s annoying to see you and others continuing to see what isn’t there. Before Harbaugh, bad pocket presence, poor downfield accuracy, poor ball placement, and happy feet. with Harbaugh, nothing has changed, he just plays with a little more confidence and has placed some balls better, but he still gets the ball out higj and has poor mechanics hit him a few times and his feet get happy. If he doesn’t fix his mechanics his balls will continue to sail high as they do now. It’s not hating, it’s what I see from the guy. i am happy for him, but I don’t expect this great Qb that you seem to think is already on the team. Sideline passes out of bounds, no pump fakes, and very minimal lookoffs for the safety. if not for the threat of a running game, his turnovers would definitely be up. I also do wonder how good he can be, because some of the play call ing has been horrific at times. Drew Brees has small hands and does the shoulder pump fake, can Alex add that to his package? if not, this team will continue to struggle in the redzone.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
You just cited improvements as if they aren't improvements. lol.
And being annoyed is your own problem. I do see when he misses throws. But with an 11-3 record and minimal turnovers, I choose to let it go and move on to the next play. I don’t knee-jerk react to every incompletion as if it means he’s a terrible QB. And there are so many inaccurate assessments in your comment I’m not even going to bother addressing them.
It amazes me how you glaze over statements I make. I clearly stated “Smith is still flawed and non-spectaular,” yet you claim I don’t see his flaws. Uh, what did I just say? I choose to support him and like him as a player despite the flaws (as the flaws aren’t killing the team). It isn’t my problem you don’t like that.
Jim Harbaugh AND Alex Smith are our future!
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Effage you are an/a (fill in the blank with whatever you want)
Also your uncle or dog is (fill in)
Now that I’m done insulting or complimenting you…
I’ll end the arguement here – Alex Smith is better than Kevin Kolb. He’s running a better offense than half the league with a line giving up the most sacks and a suspect/injured core of recievers. The run game has been anything but dominant and he’s still winning games against good teams.
Whatever these clowns are looking at, they are mistaken that Alex can’t win playoff games. Alex can win games, he’s been winning games, and he hasn’t lost many. The Saints are tough, yea. But Alex has a chance. He’s good enough to beat them if you count the guys around him (the defense.)
Panic time is over, everybody kick back and enjoy the rest of the season.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Haha
Yeah. I don’t see why people always find something to complain about. I mean, we have an 11-3 team with a truly stout defense and a QB doing what it takes to win (i.e. top 10 in passer efficiency), yet people still complain about what Smith isn’t doing. Come on.
As Bill Walsh used to say: “Don’t tell me what a player can’t do; tell me what he can do.” Right now, Smith is doing a lot to win games. I for one will not complain about that.
Jim Harbaugh AND Alex Smith are our future!
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It amazes me that the 11-3 record vs weak teams is the end of your argument when discussing goin forward after this season. Where he is flawed won’t improve. He was in Rayes system and had a better first season, I guess you need to wait and see what plenty people here no. This is the best of Smith.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
You are not making ANY sense.
Just regurgitate the same old unproven assertions.
It is a 11-3 record against NFL teams.
He improves every week, and he is still young.
He did not have a better season.
People here do not “no” squat.
He's not improving every week, it's the same old Alex, with the same ol' mistakes.
He did have a better 1st year in Raye’s system than the 2nd, and I base that solely on he “should” have a better year in the second year of an offense. Some people here know plenty.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
I never had an argument. You replied to my comment with nonsensical points trying to start an argument. You haven’t even earned a reply to your points.
Jim Harbaugh AND Alex Smith are our future!
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Earned a reply? is that what we do here? Bwahahahaaaaaa....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hilarious.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
I'm gonna take another angle from the whole shootout debate
The 49ers can keep up with the saints and the packers in a shootout. The NFC defenses comprise of the 49ers then everyone else. People seem to forget how terrible some of the other NFC defenses truly are. I will go as far and say Alex will win in a shootout because he is facing the inferior defense.
In the end though we have no idea until that game is actually played. And these playoff scenarios WILL happen this year. Isnt that exciting? Enjoy the ride
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
The Saints defense has been really good lately
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
still inferior to ours
that’s all I’m saying haha…
you have to disregard so much of this team to make the “can’t keep up” argument
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
I totally agree
I yell about that every time the so-called “experts” on TV are saying “the Niners offense can’t match points” with the Packers or the Saints.
Well the Packers or Saints haven’t had to play our defense or deal with our dominance of the field position battle through the combined efforts of the D and special teams. Let the haters keep hating (especially John Clayton – the only “expert” on ESPN’s power ranking panel that voted the Niners below the team they just thoroughly handled the night before) – they’ll all be eating crow…
Either that, or making excuses as to why their “expert analysis” wasn’t totally off base.
by LooseCannon79 on Dec 22, 2011 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
....seriously?
We’re 11-3…control our own destiny to be the #2 seed out of the NFC….have a starting QB with an 18-5 TD-INT ratio…
….and we’re talking about whether or not Alex Smith should be our QB next year? I love how some of the same people who say his numbers aren’t that good are the same people who point out that the receivers drop too many passes. Smith is still relatively “young” for a quarterback as far as how many “good” years he has left in him, and has given NO reason to make ANYONE think that this year is some sort of “fluke.”
Alex Smith had every reason to go look for another job somewhere else – but even during the lockout, when he was a free agent….he was still a 49er by his actions. Through all of the hate and criticism he’s dealt with (and not all of it fair to him either) – he STILL wanted to be here and make it right…and guess what, with a coaching staff that actually knows what direction the sky is…he’s done just that. So cut the guy some slack….you can say he’s “managed” his way into the position he’s in – but try telling that to the 3 or 4 teams that ALEX SMITH came back to beat in the 4th quarter this year to give us this 11-3 record we’re sitting on, rather than being 7-7.

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