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2012 NFL Mock Draft: What Will Christmas In April Bring?

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Christmas is mere days away, which means plenty of awesome presents that will hopefully keep people entertained, warmed or busy well into the new year. For the San Francisco 49ers and the fans, there are sort of multiple Christmases. There is the potential "gift" of a strong playoff run and there is free agency later in the early spring. However, the biggest "Christmas" is probably the NFL Draft, when everybody is assured of some number of new players.

For a lot of fans around the NFL, mock drafts have been a daily part of their reading over the last few weeks. That was often the case in recent years for 49ers fan, but thankfully that appears to be changing. The 49ers draft position is subject to a decent amount of change depending on how they finish in the playoffs. A Super Bowl win nets the 49ers pick No. 32. Losing out on the number two seed and losing in the Wild Card round would likely net them pick No. 24. They could finish anywhere in between those picks.

Although we have plenty of football left to enjoy as 49ers fans, a little draft discussion never hurt anybody (well physically at least!). For folks that have joined since last year's draft, each season I post a mock draft database that looks at anywhere from 20 to 40 mock drafts around the Internet.

Although mock drafts are a very inexact "science", they do at least give us an idea of there is any sort of consensus on a pick. For example, it is safe to say a vast majority of mock drafts will have Andrew Luck going number one. Beyond that, it becomes a crap shoot this season. And given how the draft process sometimes raises and lowers stock, it is entirely possible Luck loses some stature as the consensus number one.

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I have come across a few mock drafts from some familiar sites and/or prognosticators. As is often the case, while predictions do have some research behind them, they are at best educated guesses. Last season, 1 out of 30 mocks we looked at had the 49ers selecting Aldon Smith. 11 went with Patrick Peterson, 8 with Robert Quinn, 5 with Blaine Gabbert, 4 with Prince Amukamara and 1 with Cameron Jordan.

This is not to suggest these people did not know what they were talking about. Rather, as is the case with almost everything we discuss on this site, we simply do not have the capability to know every bit of information. None (or at least most) of us has an inside line to the minds of Trent Baalke, Tom Gamble or the rest of the Football Operations staff. We take the information we can find and we make educated guesses based on that. They are moderately informed opinions, but given the volume of information we don't have access to, even moderately informed might be a stretch.

Here is our first look at a few mock drafts. Wide receiver is a common theme, which is not surprising. The 49ers have some solid wide receivers at their disposal, but also have some question marks with free agency. I don't think I see the team drafting a wide receiver early given some of the youth in the ranks. At the same time, it will really depend on what happens in free agency. Sometimes free agency doesn't matter for a position, and other times it could impact things dramatically. I could see free agency having a significant impact on the 49ers wide receiver needs come April.

Mocking The Draft (12/19)
1st Rd: Alshon Jeffery, WR South Carolina

Jeffery has slipped this far because of a lack of production this season and some worries about his separation skills. At this point, though, he's a big-time steal. Under Jim Harbaugh, he'd be forced to play hard, which there have been questions about with Jeffery. He's a top 10 talent, though, and could become a factor in the team's passing offense as a rookie.

2nd Rd: Markelle Martin, FS, Oklahoma State

If Dashon Goldson isn't re-signed this offseason, free safety could become San Francisco's greatest need. Even if he is, depth would be nice and Martin could even play corner in nickel situations.

SB Nation NFL (12/12)

1st Rd: Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers

If San Francisco is going to stick with Alex Smith for the near-term future, they need to get him some receiving help. Sanu allows them to rely on Michael Crabtree less and end the Braylon Edwards experiment. A big, physical target with good hands and yards after the catch ability fits perfectly with Smith's limitations as a quarterback.

The Hometown Fan (Drew Kerr - 12/21)

1st Rd: Brandon Jenkins, LB, Florida State

Todd McShay (12/21)

1st Rd: Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor

The 49ers need to continue adding weapons on offense, and Wright is an explosive athlete who can stretch the field vertically, create after the catch and contribute in the return game.

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Drew went with a LB.. Wow I didnt see that coming....

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by AzNiner on Dec 22, 2011 9:48 AM PST via Android app reply actions  

Success

Due to the niners winning ways, i havent paid any attention to college football this year..
Depending on all the re-signings and free agency additions, i would have to say that WR is high up there in needs, also CB depth would be good

by sundaysfinest on Dec 22, 2011 9:53 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

What's the report on Jenkins, Drew?

Is he another pass rusher to add to our defense? At that point do anticipate him being the BPA or do you think he fills another need? Is he super raw a la Aldon or is he supposed to just be a day 1 starter with an all around game but not excelling at one?

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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 22, 2011 9:56 AM PST reply actions  

He could be better in coverage than Aldon initially coming out because he has had to drop back at FSU here and there.

And if you’ve seen him play at all, he is super fast a la Von Miller… I can’t even imagine the terror QB’s would have with him on one side and Aldon on the other. Fangio could do a lot of tricky, fun stuff on defense if our LB crew looked like:

Brandon Jenkins
Navorro Bowman
Patrick Willis
Aldon Smith

Would probably go down as one of the best linebacking corps in the history of the NFL.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

BPA

If they are going to draft based on position though it should be CB, WR, O-Line, then D-Line. Our D-Line is very good, but Soap and Smith aren’t young. We could use an upgrade at almost any position along the O-line.

by jobharve on Dec 22, 2011 9:56 AM PST reply actions  

I'd be shocked if they spent an early round pick on the OL. Every position except RG is under long term contracts...that's not to say that some upgrades aren't needed.

I think they will resign Snyder and give Kilgore a shot at starting RG. They also resigned Boone and seem to be high on Person so I don’t see them making any move at T. I could see them drafting A C/G in the later rounds, I’m unsure if Beeler is still on our PS.

by Coretete on Dec 22, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't be too shocked....

I think if OL is the BPA in the 1st round and he’s a “football guy,” which Harbs and Baalke love, they would definitely take him. If there’s a negligible difference between an OL player and another at a “need” position, then they might lean more towards the need.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

The first things Harbaugh focused on at Stanford

Offensive line and quarterback. Harbaugh builds behind a stud line. I think he knows how good Konz is and we could very well move up to get him. Goodwin is a temporary fit at best.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

D-Line, really?

I could see the team spending a 3rd round pick or below on a potential NT. But…

They have Demarcus Dobbs (who had a phenomenal offseason as a UDFA) and Ian Williams standing on the sideline. Isn’t Will Tukuafu on the team too?

Sure, Justin Smith and Sopoaga are vets. And we can’t depend on them to be around for another 10 years or anything.

But Ray MacDonald, Will Tukuafu, Ian Williams and Demarcus Dobbs is a pretty strong group. I could see the Niners picking up a D-Lineman this off-season for depth. But not in the first round. Not unless someone of remarkable talent just falls into their lap and is clearly a Gold Helmet BPA, top 10 talent.

by smathis on Dec 22, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

They looked good in pre-season

But Dobbs and Williams are still unproven at the NFL starter level.

Not saying they can’t do it, but there’s a difference between dominating second and third-stringers, and being an All-Pro.

Another developmental NT would be good, and would free up RJF to be the primary backup at several spots.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree...

in regards to Williams.

But Dobbs was lights out when he was in there. At the very least, Dobbs could become a SOLID backup at DE. Learning from Justin Smith and Jim Tomsula won’t hurt him either.

Williams on the other hand. Could be good. Or not. Hard to say.

And I’d forgotten about the Peanut-Butter-Jelly-Time man. RJF is no slouch either.

D-Line is in good shape right now. Unlike the secondary.

by smathis on Dec 22, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

And by lights out...

I mean Dobbs looked like a stud in the pre-season. There’s a good indication that he’ll be able to compete in the NFL.

by smathis on Dec 22, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree

It is, however, a deep draft for NT’s, so if we can get one mid-round for excellent value, I have no doubt Tomsula could coach him up.

Our corners have looked better than expected, but we need another one for quality depth/injuries/nickel packages.

Could definitely use a quality safety too, but this draft doesn’t have many top-end ones at first glance. So, I guess we find a diamond in the rough. Wonder what happens with Goldson in the off-season.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

That's my thinking...

WR and RB are key. And the secondary and O-Line are always positions that are up for consideration during any draft.

Strangely, I think the 49ers are good at QB. I believe Alex comes back. And they have Kaep and Tolzien in development. I think Alex is good as the starter for at least another 2-3 years. Kaep and Tolzien? Without doubt, one of them is a potential QBotF.

The Niners came into the 2011 season with really great depth on their roster. The could use an upgrade in the safety position to backup Whitner and Goldson — or replace Goldson. And they’ll need another CB if Rogers leaves.

RB is a no-brainer, IMO. Dixon isn’t getting it done. The 49ers need Gore’s heir apparent, either this year or next year. But they do have a little bit of time to get that worked out. Gore seems to have lost a step. But he’s still one of the top backs in the league.

As for WR, who knows. The Braylon Experiment didn’t work out. But who knows how Swain, Williams and even Morgan will work out. Ginn’s been surprisingly solid over the last few weeks. And there’s still Hastings on the PS. Can’t hurt to get a top talent for WR. But I feel like the team is still in the process of evaluating what they have at the position.

by smathis on Dec 22, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Dixon's been solid and has stepped it up on special teams

It’s not like Gore has done much when he’s had to run against fronts designed to stop it. (What Dixon faces every time he’s in)

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree.

Although I won’t be the first to complain if they pick up some young talent at the WR position, I think Harbs pushes for Morgans resigning, Williams has definite potential, and Ginn gets resigned, even though he may just end up on special teams, oh and occasionally running those sick ass fly-sweeps. As for Rodgers and Goldson, we sign them, and I don’t see any problem with that seeing as they both said they really like it here.

I think really what Balke will be looking at is drafting depth, and whoever doesn’t want to sign with us next year, which I honestly think might be everyone considering how well this team is doing this year.

It's about the team, the team, and the TEAM!

by Orion49 on Dec 22, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

my thoughts is the niners first pick will be on defense

too many free agents on defense; with free agency before the draft like normal, free agency will determine who and what position niners draft.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 22, 2011 10:09 AM PST reply actions  

Maybe it's just me

but i’m actually comfortable with a WR Corps of Crabtree, Kyle Williams, Ted Ginn, and a resigned and healthy Josh Morgan.

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by mikev on Dec 22, 2011 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

They aren't bad

But somebody to push them would be good, especially if we don’t re-sign Edwards. Alshon Jeffery actually reminds me of Braylon; not sure whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing.

We should also pick up a quality offensive lineman somewhere in the first three rounds. We don’t want to get Chilo’d though…We also need a new offensive line coach.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

as long as ted ginn jr. is fourth on that list.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 22, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I completely agree with the above sentiment...

Even if Morgan doesn’t come back at top form, I think WR is only a moderate need in the mid-to-late rounds. Williams has been balling the last few weeks and Alex now has a reliable target to move the chains, and Crabtree is showing he can in fact get separation. Our WR corp increased in talent significantly if Alex becomes more accurate on the sideline passes and stops throwing high on some of the middle stuff.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

That

And the light that came on for Crabtree when he stepped in his rookie season appears to be back.

He looked great Monday Night, and Williams is emerging nicely.

I still wouldn’t mind rolling the dice on a mid-round prospect with a lot of upside. That theory worked well with Terrell Owens, with the exception of his sparkling personality.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly....

Taking a WR who is much like Culliver; incredible measurables but not quite so polished. Think about where the Saints got their #1 WR; 7th round. We don’t need another 1st rounder to have a talented group of receivers.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

That's basically my point
We don’t need another 1st rounder to have a talented group of receivers.

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by mikev on Dec 22, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

We already do.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Spot on!

It’s kind of like a quality pass rusher. If they’re not a top 5 talent (like Aldon Smith), then it’s a crapshoot. And all too often, the gems are picked up in the later rounds. That’s where a quality scouting department can make a huge difference.

What about that kid from Arizona State? He’s got good hands. But more importantly, he’s got a crazy degree of concentration. It’s like he’s using his eyes to tractor-beam the ball into his hands.

Could be a steal.

by smathis on Dec 22, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Arizona State.... thought you meant Williams for a second

I don’t follow the players during the season very much, so I couldn’t tell you anyone other than the top prospects who are big names. I just don’t think a WR in the 1st or 2nd is quite as necessary as some others think and we have much more glaring needs.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

You haven't really paid attention a lot this season, huh?

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by mikev on Dec 22, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Ginn isn't likely to get paid a whole lot from any team if he's not being brought in to be a #1/2 WR

He is most valuable to this team and will likely want to stick around to compete for a rotation spot and be our primary returner. Her in SF, he doesn’t have that stigma of being a failed 1st rounder that he had in Miami. Why would he want to leave, and who is going to pay him more than us?

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

who's gonna pay him more than us

noooooooooobody!

Got love for the WCC.

by SnakesOnAPlane on Dec 22, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I wish there were a big, strong, CJ type on that crew.

they have the great hands guy (crabs), the possession/shifty guy (wiliams), the skilled route runner guy (morgan), and the speed guy who doesn’t catch as well as we’d like (ginn) but not the big buy. VD fills that role well, but I sure would love to see them add the ‘ASmith throw it up for grabs and the WR fights off the DB to come down with it guy’…

by mwright84 on Dec 22, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Gonna be a long time before there's another CJ my friend :P

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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 22, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I said "CJ type"...

you are totally correct, it will be a very long time indeed before a player of his abilities emerges. BUT – he is a specific type of receiver – big, and tall, strong, and able to fight off DBs to make a jump ball pass in the red zone a strategy, not a risk.

by mwright84 on Dec 22, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

There's not even many in the CJ "type"

CJ’s measurables are so far beyond everybody else that its not even close.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Julio Jones is special. Very special

And he’s not in the same catagory. There is a reason CJ was talked about for the #1 pick. And Julio Jones went #6. We’re drafting somewhere between 24-32. Hopefully 32

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Hell actually hopefully 29... we get Konz

And he’s the rock of our line for another dynasty starting next year. And we draft 32 for 4 of the next 7 seasons.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Disagree

AJ Green on the Bengals ALREADY looks like a Pro Bowler, and he plays for the BENGALS!

Not dissing megatron; pointing out that Green could be THAT good.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Looks can be deceiving

check out his playmaking.

Skinny receivers: See also: Moss, Randy

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Ehhhhh but he's not CJ

CJ: 6’5" 235 lbs 4.35 40 time and 42.5 vert

AJ: 6’4" 211 lbs 4.48 40 time and 30 vert

AJ is good but he’s still a step down from CJ.

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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 22, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

In terms of raw physical and athletic abilities of course.

Which is what I mean when there isn’t going to be another CJ for a while. There’s big WR but there just aren’t as fast nor can they jump as high.

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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 22, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry my grammar was horrible

Which is what I mean when I say that there isn’t going to be another CJ type WR in a long time. There are big and strong WR’s but they lack CJ type speed and athleticism.

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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 22, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

True

They tend to fall into the big and strong category, or the speed and athletic one. CJ and AJ are pretty much the only two who are absolutely all of those.

Green lacks bulk though, but has phenomenal speed and body control for his size. He’s going to be a monster.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I was all over AJ Green

Thought he’d be the 2nd best WR of this generation competing with CJ.

Waiting for the Julio and Jerry Hughes bandwagon manager to chime in ….

by bignerd on Dec 22, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Right here.

Julio Jones – 11 games 42 receptions 755 yards 18.0 average 5 TDs – while playing through pain with a nagging injury against the top caliber teams - best games - Indy, Seattle, Tampa, Carolina, Jacksonville

AJ Green – 13 games 61 receptions 1006 yards 16.5 average 7 TDs – with his big games coming against – Denver, Jacksonville, Buffalo, Tennessee, Cleveland (impressive) and the second Steelers game (impressive)

Pretty even. The “bandwagon managers” for Julio said that he might struggle out the gate but that he could be better long term than AJ Green. Considering the issues he’s dealt with and the overall better competition… I’d say that still stands.

And I’m sure the Hughes thing was directed towards me. Hughes is still playing behind Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis. The Colts didn’t draft him to play him immediately. Aaron Rodgers didn’t see the field with regularity til year 4 either.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Julio Jones is gonna be a beast.

It’s basically equivalent to asking who would you rather have, Randy Moss or Andre Johnson?

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Divsion games are always much easier to gameplan for considering you know your opponent.

Outside of the division, conference and non-conference games are a bit more difficult in the department.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Why is that?

It seems like they have much, much better coaching than TB on both offense and defense. And they have two first round picks next year. I think they are headed in the right direction, what makes you think otherwise?

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by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 22, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't think about their 2 first round picks... And also didn't count that they only bumped up 1 slot versus Tampa who bumped up 2

There will be some regression within their division as opponents gameplan to shut down AJ Green… But the main reason for my argument was saying that Cincy was going to have 4 games against tougher opponents

My argument was flawed because I forgot they were still ending up behind Ravens and Steelers and they will be playing the NFC Least next year.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Well we can get a guy with those measurables later in the draft to be that jump ball guy

Everyone seems to think we need that type of player or that we have to take him in the 1st round, which we don’t.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

totally agree

the “big/strong” WR pick can be made in the 3rd or 4th round. Personally, I’d like to see the ‘Niners grab a safety in the first round. I don’t know the potential draft picks enough to know if there’s a first round worthy S out there, so I may be full of crap. I just know as good as Whtiner and Goldson have been this year, I think Goldson tests the market, and neither guy will be here three years from now.

by mwright84 on Dec 22, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Whitner could get another short contract after this one is up if he's still playing well...

I’d be fine with that; however, FS is a must this year, even if just for depth in a later round. From what I saw on Drew’s mock, he has two FSs going in the first round, with ’Bama’s FS picked one spot after us taking an OLB. Personally, FS is a much more glaring need then OLB, but I heard that none of the safety prospects really merit a 1st round pick. I’m not the guy to ask at this point.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you think there are any possible conversion possibilities as far as CB to FS for round 1-2?

Seems like Baalke likes going for the freak athletes and obviously had 2 or 3 guys from the last draft changing positions.

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by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 22, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure, anything is possible.

But there aren’t a ton of candidates that stand out for that. Seems as though Harbs and Co. are good at converting players though.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, I don't think it makes sense for them to draft a safety high.

Why would they convert Culliver to corner if they needed a safety? I’m sure he would be a stud FS if they drafted him for that position. Doesn’t make sense in my view to draft a safety when you just converted one to corner.

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by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 22, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

The scouting department saw a corner in Culliver, not a safety...

Corner was just as big a need as safety, or possibly more so, so they took Culliver as a corner. Don’t forget that when Culliver was drafted, his current college position was CB and he wasn’t exactly killing it at safety before that, nor had he started many games at either position. That was a physically gifted athlete who had experience playing in the secondary and they decided that they’d rather he played CB for the team.

by 9thevolution on Dec 23, 2011 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Not me

Still don’t understand why they haven’t kicked the tires on Jason Hill considering they have 3 healthy receivers currently on the roster. Are a Michael Crabtree foot problem away from an obvious one and done playoff experience.

by bignerd on Dec 22, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Hill

Doesn’t he play for the Jags?

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally, I would rather have T.O.

Hill doesn’t know this playbook… and I am sure Owens’ ability to come right in and produce opposed to a guy like Hill is probably a lot better this late in the game. But I don’t really want T.O. either…

Our receivers (Edwards and Ginn) will be okay by playoffs… hopefully.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Ought to show you he isn't very good.

Is Jason Hill your Nate Davis?

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

BPA BPA BPA

And that will be an interior offensive lineman.

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Dec 22, 2011 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

I think we should get the best players available

whose last names happen to be Smith.

That goes double if they are defensive lineman or linebackers.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Peter Konz would be the only guy I would go with but he will probably be gone by the time we pick.

Later on, I really like Ben Jones in the 2nd or 3rd.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I think (hope) Konz will slide

For how much Pouncey got talked up he hasn’t been very good. Konz however is and he’s been under the radar compared to Pouncey.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't Pouncey a pro bowler his rookie year? He's just injured a lot.

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by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 22, 2011 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Pouncey got voted in by Steelers nation

I read from the guy at steelersdepot who evaluates every single line play that he gave up 4.5 sacks last year. Not bad for a rookie especially in the AFC North. But not pro bowl worthy. I think it makes him like 6th or 7th in the afc.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/29/oline-em-up-maurkice-pouncey-chad-clifton-puzzling-pro-bowl/

Birk and Saturday were definitely better last year.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

They need a RG badly, if not 1st round then 2nd.

After Snyder, we have Rachal…and I don’t see him on the team next year.

by ericalancanty on Dec 22, 2011 10:23 AM PST reply actions  

Rachal is a free agent and likely won't be re-signed

We have Kilgore as a backup next year at RG and there’s the possibility that Anthony Davis gets moved to RG like everyone wants. Regardless of FA or Draft, I’d bet that our best 5 OL start next year and that puts Boone in at one of the tackle positions.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I doubt Anthony Davis is moving to RG

I hate to disappoint a lot of you. The odds of the 49ers dropping big money on a free agent OT to move AD to guard are .00001 % considering a lot of teams need OTs much more than the 49ers.

The 49ers will either promote a RG from within, renew Snyder or find a veteran free agent they think pairs will with Davis.

by bignerd on Dec 22, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps

But both Gaither and McKinnie were picked up for cheap, and played well.

I’m not ready to say AD can’t be a good NFL tackle yet, but he’s not where I’d want him to be in pass blocking so far.

We DO need a new o-line coach- so many of the mistakes I see are fixable, and are the result of poor coaching.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not play the poor coaching card until next year. It usually takes 3 seasons to work on the out kinks for a young offensive line.

by bignerd on Dec 22, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

when the line has played bad this year; it has been the "whole" line playing bad.

everyone harps on davis; but dude is beast and I love seeing him running down the field hitting people who are trying to pile on the tackle.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 22, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

If one guy is off... it can appear like everyone else is.

The offensive line has to move and think like a single unit.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

pretty much.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 22, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

It's pretty much the whole right side

While Iupati has had his mental errors and Staley has gotten bull rushed from time to time, everyone to the right of LG is a liability in one way or another.

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by Ougadas on Dec 22, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

this year the line is either strong giving up no sacks or they have been challenging to break a single game sack record. everyone on the line has had their moments this year including staley and iupati.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 22, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Correct

Oug knows what he’s talking about

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

We'll have to disagree on that

The place I notice it the most is Iupati, actually. He plays too high, and he’s effective because he’s so incredibly strong that he can play with bad technique, and still dominate guys. That is coachable.

Chilo, well, no one knows what that guys deal is mentally, but physically, I see him continue to do stuff that, technique-wise, if fixable.

I know unity is important, and it takes awhile to gel, but I am seeing a lot of things out of our offensive lineman that are easily fixable, yet they don’t get fixed. Davis has certain limitations, but he still looks jerky sliding his feet in pass protection, and good coaching can address that.

Bet you Harbs knows it too- with a full offseason, he’s going to find himself a different teacher for our young offensive lineman- they have too much potential not to get them playing their best football.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Are those coaching points or physical limitations?

by bignerd on Dec 22, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

The former

If it were the latter, I would put it on the player, and not blame the coach.

Except for Chilo. No idea what that guy’s deal is, and I suspect most people feel that way.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

There's no need to get an OT in FA, we just extended one....

Staley at RT, Boone at RT, Person works the swing spot and they draft another tackle to come in and compete for a spot on the 53. I really beleive that they will start the 5 best O linemen next year and Boone is going to be one of them. So unless one of the tackles moves to guard, then either Staley or Davis is riding pine.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Boone doesn’t make sense to me unless he is replacing Staley at LT or the 49ers shift to a heavy pass oriented offense. He is not a strong run blocker. A lineup of Staley, Iupati, Goodwin, Snyder and Boone aren’t opening up any run lanes at all.

by bignerd on Dec 22, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Heavy pass oriented offense.

If some of the people that are speculating on Peyton Manning coming over, the Boone thing would not be too horrible of an idea. One problem is that Manning is not a WCO quarterback.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Pass blocking importance >>> Run Blocking importance

pass blocking doesn’t just effect the offense it protects the QB. Run blocking doesn’t particularly effect the RBs health as much as pass protection effects the QBs

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

This

Interior offensive lineman come cheap, and if Kilgore is ready to step in next year, excellent, but spend a second or third round pick on a potentially excellent center for the long-term, and let him cut his teeth at right guard.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

More important than RG is a center

We need a center badly.

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Dec 22, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

You have to wonder if they believe Beeler is going to cut it?

They did put him on the PS, and to put a guy who is strictly a C on the PS is rare. Beeler I doubt will ever have the bulk to play G in the NFL, but C is a bit different and you can play it undersized a bit.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Beeler will not make it.

He was cut by the practice squad and wasn’t claimed. He doesn’t have the strength or athleticism to be an elite center. Centers are essential now, and an elite one makes a huge difference. I’d rather spend a first on an elite center, than reach on a wide receiver or corner.

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by teekay on Dec 22, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Believe Beeler was re-signed after he was cut?

I do remember that they released him, but I think they re-signed him the next week.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Beeler was offered a PS spot on another team.

He didn’t take the offer and decided to wait for a week after which he was re-signed by the Niners.

by Mood_Indigo on Dec 22, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Think he knows much like I. Williams, this is his best chance to earn a spot in the NFL

Williams chose here as a UDFA because of our lack of depth at NT. Beeler will likely stick around in hopes he can compete to take the starting job in a year or two and that Kilgore will just stay on as a Guard rather than moving to Center.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

See above

We need a guard in the short-term, and a center in the long-term. Find the guy who can do that when he’s available for solid mid-round value, and get him.

Kilgore might be that guy, but unless that’s definite, go to the draft for it. I don’t believe Beeler is that guy, but I am more than willing to be proven wrong.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Daniel Kilgore

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 22, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Kilgore...

He plays angry. The Force is STRONG with that one.

by smathis on Dec 22, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

First 4 rounds of draft...position of priorty needs

In any order, but within the first 3 rounds of the 2012 the 49ers NEED to fill these needs:

*Pass Rusher ( Yes, we need another young stud to pair with Aldon or just imagine of Aldon was down any length of time…then there goes our Pass Rush)

*Defensive End or Nose Tackle ( Justin Smith and Issac Sopoaga need legit back-ups as they are not getting any younger)

*Wide Receiver ..(no explanation needed)

*Safety ( we really need someone super to compete and push both Whitner & Goldson….. not sold on Reggie Smith as a super back-up)

by BigMar on Dec 22, 2011 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

RE: Legit backups to Soap And JSmith

I think RJF might be that guy for Isaac, he just hasn’t seen the field much cause Soap has been so much better this season.

I agree with you on Justin- he’s incredibly durable, has played at a fantastically high level for years, and shows no signs of slowing down. However, age comes to us all, especially in the NFL, and our defense is reliant on his abilities to do so many things well. We do need to draft and groom his successor in the near future, because should he get hurt, we are currently screwed.

Curious to see what an off-season does for Dobbs and Williams.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I would say we need more than a back up at safety...

We need an eventual starter, and depending on how FA shapes up, we might need an immediate starter at FS.

Tomsula isn’t going anywhere this year and maybe not for a long time so there is no need to draft any DL in the first 3 rounds. Justin Smith is a freak of nature and he won’t be matched anytime soon by anything less than a 1st rounder, but we have quality depth along the DL and RJF and Dobbs filled in nicely when Ray McD went down with the hamstring pull.

Definite need for another pass rusher; no doubt. That’s one reason Drew’s pick makes sense at the bottom of the 1st round.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Tomsula isn't going anywhere ?

There rumors floating around as we speak that Jim is under consideration for the college H/C job at Pittsburg.

by BigMar on Dec 22, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Pitt hired Wisconsin OC Chryst yesterday as their HC...

It’s certainly possible he gets other offers, but he will not be coaching Pitt. There’s a fanshot on the front page about it.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes.....and us 49er fans breath !

Thank You Pittsburgh.

I simply could not imagine our D-Line without Tomsula

by BigMar on Dec 22, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Second that...

He’s the reason we don’t need to draft 1st rounders to have a talented line.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Good for Tomsula

I don’t think he is college HC material. He seems much better suited for professionals. His jacket and chest hair look probably works on the recruit’s cougar mom but not the recruit.

by bignerd on Dec 22, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Mohamed Sanu

would be a nice fit. He’s an excellent rn blocker. Has the hands, IQ, and route running skills to complement Crabtree, and Josh Morgan. I would retain Braylon Edwards, and Gin. Our depth would be outstanding

by STELF BOMBZ on Dec 22, 2011 10:37 AM PST reply actions  

Sanu is a good prospect

But will probably draft fairly high.

I suspect we don’t retain Edwards, unless he explodes during the playoffs, thereby forcing opposing defenses to chase him, Crabs, and VD around….that would be awesome.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I am sure him leaving Williams off was an accident.

At least I hope so haha

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Better be an accident...

He’s been incredible the last few weeks. How many people doubted you when you said he was legit? Wonder where they are now?

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Too many to count.

I think even Fooch doubted… and still may.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Our most glaring need

Is at outside LB. we have zero depth there. I think that out 1st pick will be an interior DL or OLB.

by Sacpike on Dec 22, 2011 10:43 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I don't know if we need a 1st rounder at OLB...

We do have a few OLBs on the practice squad and Harrelson is under contract next year. Aldon should be able to play 3 downs next year, so I think they’ll likely do what they did with Aldon, but not in the 1st round. Probably look for a guy in the 2nd to mid round range that has pass rushing talent and needs to learn the position and get some better technique.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

WR is a position that can be easily addressed through free agency

Good LB’s generally are very rare and need to be addressed through the draft.

by Sacpike on Dec 22, 2011 10:45 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

took me a minute!!! rec

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 22, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Planning

With Ahmad Brooks gone, move Larry Grant to that position for rush defense only in opposite of Parys Haralson. Aldon Smith and the NFL DrAftee will fill in these positions for pass defense.

Secondly, I’m impressed with Daniel Kilgore’s ability and aggressiveness in the most recent game but limited to one or two offensive series. I feel he will take over the position of Adam Snyder. Alex Boone maintains a backup tackle for Joe Staley and Anthony Davis, and a primary 3rd/4th down and Goal line blocker.

As for the 1st round pick, the Niners must nab a receiver to start in opposite of Michael Crabtree.

by Tantrum16 on Dec 22, 2011 11:05 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Larry is a FA too and could be playing himself into some starter $ from another team. I would think that they must be planning for Aldon to be an every down player next season.

I wonder if we see more 4-3 looks…Aldon, Soap, Justin, RayMac would be a killer front 4….PWilly, Bowman, Haralson behind them (assuming Brooks leaves).

by Coretete on Dec 22, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Larry Grant will get money but not too much and we'll get a hometown deal

guy was a 7th rounder and is still rather unproven though he’s looked good. Though it appears the only reason he slid was because he was a JC baller and only got to start 1 year at Ohio State. National JCPOY at City College of SF in 05. Niners also get a hometown deal on Larry. SF local.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

We actually drafted him in 08 and the Rams signed him from our practice squad.

As soon as he knew he could make a 53 man roster here he came back. It’s obvious where he wants to be if he can bank a couple million.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

There are quite a few teams that are absolutely desperate for a MLB...

The way Grant is playing right now relative to his age and the amount of games he’s played, he should end up getting a deal to be a full time starter on another team. I can see him going to the Giants or Eagles who both have terrible LB corp right now.

by 9thevolution on Dec 23, 2011 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

He could definitely be valuable for trade purposes

But the other thing is that our defense is great because we have all-world ILB’s. While Grant isn’t at Willis or Bowman’s level, he is good enough to step in, and our defense can still be super-lethal. Exhibit A, last Monday’s game.

It’s seldom worth paying a backup a good bit of money, but he might be the exception.

On the other hand, he’s played three games. Let’s see how he finishes the season…

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 23, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that is the best way to go...

But Morgan was playing lights out before his injury. It will be interesting to see how the competition between Williams and Morgan shakes out next season.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I also think that Crabtree will emerge as one of the top 5 receivers in the NFL next year.

Now that he is healthy, he has been looking lethal.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Alex needs to start hitting the sideline passes accurately...

Crabtree has been killing people with the double moves. Next year if he’s healthy all year, we can finally get a 1000 yard receiver again.

by 9thevolution on Dec 22, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

The deeper passes.

Yeah, they don’t do them often but I agree… he has got to practice on those with Crab, Williams, and Morgan in the offseason a lot more.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

He'll finally be able to :)

Assuming Roman doesn’t run off and we get 8 OCs in 8 years

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

Top 5?

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by rlott#42 on Dec 22, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Matt Barkley is going to stay at USC.

That messes up a lot of mock drafts haha.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

Does that mean he'll go #1 next year

if his performance stays on par?

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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 22, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

Good question. He would have a shot at a pretty big bowl game… maybe even National Championship. They have a ton of players returning and I believe they will be bowl eligible next season.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Either way, he could be pulling a Leinart here.

I think he has to strike while the iron is hot. Going back could really hurt his stock… he doesn’t have too much room to move up. In this years draft, he is probably a top 10 pick. Next year, who knows?

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

But Matt Leinart went from #1 to #10.

Barkley would have a chance to move up while Leinart could only stay on par or move down. Isn’t the press conference at 1 PST? How did you hear of this news already? Besides Barkley, I’m not sure what the QB class is going to look like next year.

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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 22, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it is kinda obvious.

USC would not be holding a press conference if he was leaving… not to mention all the major pundits are speculating he will stay… including Adam Schefter, who probably already has the inside scoop.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

they held a press conference when sanchez left...

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmm... don't remember that.

I suppose anything could happen… maybe “obvious” was the wrong wording. But all signs point to him staying. Leinart and Tyler and guys like that feel like he will stay. Adam Schefter is saying he will stay.. Peter King, etc.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah.. now I remember. How could I forget that semi-meltdown?

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

they are top 3 if he stays, top 15 if he goes.

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

And so is McDonald.

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by mikeinsp on Dec 22, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

If some team gives up 4-5 picks for Andrew Luck

I can see the Ricky Williams thing happening all over again. Would someone have gave up that many picks for Matt Stafford?

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:11 AM PST reply actions  

Nah

I am tired of all the Luck hype, but I think he’s the best QB prospect since at least the 2004 draft. Although, while I like Aaron Rodgers in 2005, I’d be lying if I said I thought he was going to turn out to be THIS good.

I am honestly surprised Philip Rivers hasn’t won big yet.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

He IS the best QB prospect.

But people need to put it in perspective. We are not talking about a Peyton Manning or John Elway type of prospect here.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm curious as to why,

people are willing to disregard Alex and give credit to Harbaugh for scheming around his strengths and hiding his weaknesses but they don’t connect the dots and realize Harbaugh developed Luck as well. Luck is not a sure fire QB as some people may believe.

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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 22, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

The Colts catered to Peyton Manning's strengths as well.

MOST teams in the NFL caters to their QB’s strengths, so I don’t get all the fuss about utilizing what you players do the best and maximizing that.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah which is why I don't get the double standard of

knocking Alex for playing to his strengths yet praising Luck as the greatest prospect ever but disregarding his weaknesses.

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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 22, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Which most here do.

Nobody wants to acknowledge Luck’s flaws for some reason.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

This is a good point

And while Luck has had an excellent season, from what I’ve read, he doesn’t look a whole lot different than last. I don’t think it’s fair to say he’s maxed out, but HArbaugh probably got him playing closer to his ceiling than almost any college QB.

I think Harbaugh can make anyone better, and make the good great. I am excited to see what he can do with Kaepernick.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Kaepernick is the secret weapon...

The mad scientist will quietly work on him behind the scenes and then in a few years, he may be one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Kaep was absolutely who he wanted

These people that think he wanted Dalton are crazy. Harbaugh wanted a physical specimen with a brain that he could groom. A Steve Young/John Elway upper limit. There is a reason he persued RG3 at Stanford.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Luck

It’s worth noting that Luck wasn’t some crap QB prospect. He was a 4-star prospect was ranked #68 among all prospects his year and I believe sixth among QBs

by David Fucillo on Dec 22, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

How can you tell the difference?

Turn on a tape and watch them both pass. Have you seen Luck throw? He can be on a full sprint during a bootleg then deliver a perfectly placed pass, number level to his receiver in stride. He does this over and over and over again. Not a defense in football is going to stop those play.

by bignerd on Dec 22, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

No, I've NEVER seen Andrew Luck play a game...ever.

I don’t know anything about him.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

The comment wasn't at you

afrikabamboodle was asking if Luck has been masked by scheme

by bignerd on Dec 22, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

No.

He is the best prospect coming out. But he is not some superman like everyone is acting like.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know how to address this question

I agree he is not superman. However I also see things he does that will make him near impossible to stop in the NFL. He’ll be a franchise QB. Foolish to say he’ll be the top QB in the NFL but certainly think he’ll be top 5 a good portion of his career.

by bignerd on Dec 22, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think he will… I think his ceiling is Matt Stafford.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

So you are saying he will suck

Stafford might be in search for a QB job if it wasn’t for CJ on that team.

by bignerd on Dec 22, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Stafford is above average.

I am saying Luck will be above average but nowhere near elite like a Manning, Brady, Rodgers, or Brees. He’s not gonna be on that level.

One read and flee the pocket, cannot hit a pass very accurately past 30 yards, etc… he has some pretty big flaws in his game that people ignore and neglect to mention.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Near impossible to stop?

Drew Brees, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers have all had their fair share of horrid games. The fact that you’re already lumping Luck with these 3 guys, who are clearly the best QBs in the NFL today and all 3 might be future HOF’s, shows how far the myth of Andrew Luck has gone.

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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 22, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Lumping in?

5 years from now only Rodgers will still be around. I certainly expect Luck’s name to be amongst the elite.

Why I am bothering with you? When can figure out the tangible play differences between Luck and Alex Smith without resorting to same system = same QB than come back and talk to me.

by bignerd on Dec 22, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I never said Luck = Alex Smith

I said people are over rating Luck as a prospect but aren’t taking the time to evaluate his flaws. The comparison to Smith is simply that people knock him for playing to his strengths under Harbaugh’s system yet don’t consider that Luck might have several flaws being hid under the same coaching style as well. I never said he isn’t a good prospect. I’m just trying to remove the notion that a college QB who hasn’t taken a snap in the NFL is all of a sudden on a crash course for the HOF.

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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 22, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Playing against defensive players that are wayyyyy faster than the guys he played against at Stanford will end a lot of that

And when he starts playing against CBs who are top notch he won’t be able to float balls over the middle anymore.

He’s not going to be Ponder… But be prepared for some very Ponderiffic games lol

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Manning

I think there are some definite similarities. His knowledge and ability to run the offense from the line is really impressive.

by David Fucillo on Dec 22, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Manning has never been a mobile quarterback.

One of Luck’s major flaws is leaving the pocket way too early. One read, then bounce.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

He will fix that

When he figures out how ludicrously fast defenders in the NFL are.

He has the football IQ- he will be excellent, but there are going to be some growing pains.

Steve Young?

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

No... Young was much quicker and bit more elusive.

Luck is a Tebow type runner. Anyway, I am not saying he won’t be good. He will be good. I just don’t think he is going to be the football god everyone is making him out to be. I believe that Griffin has more potential than him in both running it and the passing attack.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Did you say...

Steve Young was elusive?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG_OCaKeiU8

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah.

You’re never gonna see any runs like that from Luck. He will run people over before he tries to go around them. And that’s not gonna fly in the NFL. Although, Tebow has been doing it and so has Cam Newton to an extent, so maybe he can get away with it, who knows for sure?

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I continue to be amazed

That Tebow has been doing it. And by that, I don’t mean that I am amazed by Tebow; I am amazed that defenses seem to perform poorly against him in the 4th quarter.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 23, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

To clarify

“Nah” was regarding Stafford. I DO think the bounty for Andrew Luck could be enormous, if the Colts decide to trade his rights or, you know, win a game.

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

The Colts are old... that would serve their franchise well...

Assuming Manning is cleared and healthy… which I am skeptical of.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I think if the Colts really want to make out like thieves and still get the best QB in the draft,

trade down a few spots, nab an extra 1st and 2nd and grab RG3.

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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 22, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

That would be

almost unfair.

They should do it.

How good do you think RG3 could realistically be at the pro level, Drew?

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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 22, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he has the touch and mechanics of a Tom Brady, and the elusiveness of a Michael Vick… I think if he winds up in the right place, with the right mentoring, he could be one of the best QB’s the NFL has ever seen.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

For those looking out for late round WR's ... watch all three of Arizona State's receivers this evening.

Two of them (Willie and Robinson) are 6’4" and fast.. I really like Robinson in the 4th, or so. Either of them would be a nice replacement for Braylon Edwards.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

Great

Thank you. I will scout these receivers this evening if I like them or not.

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I like Mike Willie a lot but Gerrell Robinson has the better stats.

And little Pflugrad is a Welker type.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish Dre Kirkpatrick or Alfonso Dennard could fall to 49ers to shore up CB spot...

but then again lots of CB’s will be in FA so might not have to use 1st rd pick on a CB

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 22, 2011 11:54 AM PST reply actions  

So many good ones this year though.

We don’t really need to go balls to the wall on one that early… We need more pass rush and offensive line early IMO. Can you imagine two guys that could rush like Aldon Smith? and then Bowman and Willis in the middle?

Conceivably, we could keep the same secondary. Maybe let Culliver get a shot at the spot across from Rogers (assuming we re-sign him). Whitner and Goldson have played very well this year.

We could spend a 3rd-5th rounder on another corner to groom to have that nickel spot.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea I'm not disagreeing, actually waffling on the idea of needing a CB that early in the draft

Just thinking BPA @ where the 49er FO will pick whether it be an OLB or CB?

because early in the reg. season even till mid season, we needed a CB badly. But ever since defense playing “lights out”, addressing that pass rush might not be a bad idea. And maybe picking up a nickle corner in FA or mid rounds as you say…

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 22, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

We may have to spend a draft pick on a Running Back....

Gore is not getting any younger, has had injuries and starting to get some serious miles now on his legs.

Hunter im not convinced could take a every game starting R.B. pounding. He is clearly very productive as a change of pace R.B. However, as the main bell cow R.B. I don’t know.

Dixon is in his second season and he appears to be (at least so far) at great special team player and a possible red zone goal line runner. But I don’t currently see any evidence he can supplement Gore some day soon as our next Bell Cow runner.

Bottom Line….. I think we are STILL in search of Frank Gore replacement as the 9ers main running back. And imagine another Big Time R.B. to help our Offense in 2012.

by BigMar on Dec 22, 2011 12:20 PM PST reply actions  

Wrong year for it.

One more year.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

AND...

I disagree about your opinion on Hunter. He has what it takes to be a bell cow. And he is learning from one of the Niner all-time greats. Gore has been very helpful in giving Hunter all the tips he needs.

But Hunter can block, catch, and run it on the outside or inside.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Dixon would be fine...

if he just ran the ball. He dances too much. If he just ran downhill, he’d be a bruiser. He should be running like Earl Campbell or Jerome Bettis. But instead he tries to run like Barry Sanders or Walter Payton.

I think Hunter could be a go-to back. But it wouldn’t hurt to pursue all options. Though I don’t think it’s necessarily a 1st or 2nd round need, unless someone seriously amazing falls to the Niners.

by smathis on Dec 22, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Dixon could run downhill if our offensive line could open any holes

Gore can’t pick up yardage down in the red zone when teams are geared to stop the run. It’s supposed to be different for Dixon when teams are trying to stop us from running down the clock?

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I do think this 2nd round should be a WR for front office....

Maybe @ Malcom Floyd……..

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 22, 2011 1:01 PM PST reply actions  

Kiffin looks mad ...

Maybe Barkley is leaving after all haha

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:02 PM PST reply actions  

MB7 is back

one more year

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 22, 2011 1:05 PM PST reply actions  

What a wimp!

Scared of a challenge. Should tell us all we need to know as how he will be a pro.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:06 PM PST reply actions  

Matt Leinart syndrome

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Barkley is no Leinart

He will be one of the best USC QBs to play in the NFL

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Yeah right

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Drew I know you don't like USC

but if you look @ Barkley’s # not only is he about to try to shatter ’SC QB records left & right but you know he wants the possiblity of playing for a BCS game.

Yes he could have came out & even Kiffin has thought he actually might go! But the Leinhart Syndrome thing is not so because Barkley never really had a shot ever playing for a BCS game.

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 22, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

College numbers? Oh boy...!!!

Case Keenum is gonna be the best QB ever to play in the NFL then.

Barkley is scared of the NFL. He doesn’t want a new challenge… all that stay and finish his degree is a bunch of BS.

He’s ruining his 1st round potential possibly by staying. I just think that is a punk move is all. It’s my opinion and I am entitled to it.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Sam Bradford didn't ;-)

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 22, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Bradford had an injury and was somewhat forced to come back.

And then it happened again.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

He's staying to play a bowl game

Barkley wanted to win a championship for SC since he was like 6

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

what is the punk move?

i dont get it.

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

punk move?

Some folks complain about how going pro early makes a mockery of college sports. Some people complain when they “think” a guy is scared. It’s all BS.

Given that you can only be a 21- or 22-year old in college once, more power to him.

by David Fucillo on Dec 22, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

He's scared of the NFL.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Hunch

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok...

I personally don’t like the idea of calling somebody a wimp when you have no information other than your gut to make such a call. I find it in poor form.

by David Fucillo on Dec 22, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

it's basically...

a personal attack on Barkley without actual evidence to support it. I know he could care less about it, but I do.

by David Fucillo on Dec 22, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

And why do you care so much about it?

What do you have invested in Matt Barkley?

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

nothing

I have nothing invested in Barkley. I have something invested in having productive meaningful conversations here. You seem to want to be involved in solid conversations, but when you make what seems to be an uninformed opinion about a person’s character, how can anybody take your other opinions seriously? If there was some kind of evidence other than your gut that he is “scared” then so be it, but that does not seem to be the case.

by David Fucillo on Dec 22, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

So what are you saying?

We are not allowed to express our hunches or gut feelings … because I get that impression and vibe?

We’re only allowed to talk about tangible things on Niners Nation???

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

When it comes to attacking an individual's character

Yes, I think there needs to be more than just a gut thing. You can give your impressions and a vibe about a player’s ability to connect on the deep ball. You can say, he does not seem to have the necessary pocket presence based on your impressions.

But when it comes to something like this, I think there needs to be more than that because then you’re getting personal, in my opinion.

by David Fucillo on Dec 22, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

When it comes to attacking an individual’s character Yes, I think there needs to be more than just a gut thing.

What for? Opinions and hunches are exactly that. You sit here and preach about objectivity but you are completely subjective on you stance with this.

If someone says that they think Rickey Henderson was a P.O.S. because he used to flip opposing fans off during games, they still don’t know him. he could have been the nicest guy in the world to people he knew. So evidence, or not… there is no real proof… if someone has an opinion, it’s an opinion… a vibe is a vibe… a hunch is a hunch (right or wrong) and as long as I am not violating rules on here, I feel I should be able to express that. If someone doesn’t like it, then they don’t have to respond, right? Isn’t that what you always tell me?

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

evidence

You see someone flip somebody off, that qualifies as evidence as to why you would think Rickey Henderson is a POS. Your gut with nothing else does not strike me as evidence.

Most opinions on this site are usually based on at least some piece of evidence whether it be watching a game, reading stats at FO or PFF, or wherever. I’m not saying you need to make some overwhelming case about why you think he’s scared. But as with most other opinions on this site, people expect more than just a statement with nothing supporting it. People that don’t like Alex Smith as a QB point to his past, his downfield accuracy at times, whatever. But they are pointing to SOMETHING to support their hunch. That is all I’m asking here.

by David Fucillo on Dec 22, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

My evidence is him going back.

That’s not sufficient enough for you or the other guy I guess… evidence none the less.

As I said, evidence sometimes is not even evidence enough… so what difference does it make?

The point of blogs is to discuss, express, etc…

People are ignoring Alex Smith’s raw numbers this year… yet, that isn’t enough for some and they are allowed to express their “opinions” on here about him.

To me, it really makes no difference like I said before. I have that feeling. I feel like Barkley is scared of the next level and wants to enjoy playing where it is easy because he is unsure what to expect at the next level.

I feel that way… if you don’t like it, I don’t know what to tell you.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh?

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Barkley wanted to be QB for SC since he was a little kid.

Before being a pro became important his ultimate dream in life was to QB SC. He’s been robbed of the chance to take them to a bowl game if he comes out this year. It matters to the kid a lot. And he’ll be the kid that resurrected SC’s program if he accomplishes it. He’ll live on forever in SC lore no matter how his pro career turns out. (Better than Luck’s)

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you grow up with him?

Still think he is scared.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

opinions

I realize you don’t care what people think of you or your opinions and maybe that’s why I am having a problem grasping how you can so cavalierly basically question his manhood with ZERO evidence.

by David Fucillo on Dec 22, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I FEEL that way Fooch.

I feel like he is scared… He has everything at his disposal NOW… yet he wants to run back to college where things have been easy for him. That, to me, is running away from the REAL challenge.. which is becoming a pro and starting your career.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok..

This I can live with. I disagree, but it’s more than simple name-calling. We disagree as to whether he is scared and that’s that. But all I’m asking for is more than just basic attacks. This comment actually provides substance.

by David Fucillo on Dec 22, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Your opinion.

I honestly don’t care what people think of mine to be quite frank.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm entitled to it..

And I can speak it.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

THis is the first time I have ever heard anyone say a college player is scared of the NFL.

That is absolutely ridiculous.
You can say it was a foolish business decision, but to say he is scared is just silly.
Also, how often do we say players should have stayed a year because they weren’t ready for the pros? Are they all punks if they go back for that year?

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep....basically.

If they are considered a top 10 pick. Yeah…. Just like Jimmy Clausen.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

So

Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning are punks?

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Andrew Luck has a year of eligibility left and is entering.

Manning was not considered a top 10 pick his junior year.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

3 years playing college football..

Top 10 pick…

Nobody is gonna sway my opinion, so you may as well quit trying.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Doubt it…

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

scared of a challenge?

what does that even mean?

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

what was his reason to stay?

Heisman and BCS game?

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope.

Experience… What more experience does Barkley need at the college level when he was chalked up to being “pro ready”? He is delaying a pro career… for what? National Championship? Rather have a Superbowl…. Heisman? Probably the most pointless award out there.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Experience?

So Luck was scared because he thought he needed more experience?

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe that there was some level of fear in that he was not ready, yes. I honestly believe that.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

So he is a punk too?

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Injured...

Had to… had to show scouts he was healthy… and then it happened again.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep...

Didn’t I basically just insinuate that? Yeah, he had to go back and prove to scouts he wasn’t damaged goods.

What is Barkely’s excuse? He’s scared of a challenge. It’s easy for him at USC… it would not be as a pro… so he is delaying it.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

So he is scared, but he is not a punk?

Guys want to stay in school and get exploited by the NCAA let them.

But I dont understand why wanting to milk every last second out of college means youre scared.

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha... you think you are clever don't ya?

What’s your point? You want me to apologize for calling your boy a “punk”?

Bradford was injured… you aren’t refuting anything by using him as an example.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

2 college years vs. 3 years… now you are getting in to strawman arguments

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

And you're making incredibly inconsistent arguments.

So a player who enjoys college and wants to keep playing for no other reason than he can is a scared punk…
Then you’re saying that players who dont think they are ready and think they need more experience are NOT SCARED? What are they then?

If anything, the one’s who are scared of a challenge are the ones who stay because they dont think they are ready.

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh? I don’t get how you think that is logical… that is completely backwards… if you are ready and you stay… then there is something wrong mentally…. if you know you need more help in getting better, then that seems smart.

Barkley was probably going to be the second (no later than third) QB off the board. 1st rounder none the less… what more does he have to prove at the college level?

To me that screams: scared.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

That's you.

I feel like he is scared.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it makes perfect sense.

You’re basically acknowledging that Luck and Bradford were scared to enter the draft for whatever reason, but you arent angry with them for it because you feel those decisions were reasonable (Luck had only 2 yrs and Bradford was hurt). Am I wrong?
Barkley has given no reason for staying other than he wants to keep competing in college. So that SCREAMS scared?
I don’t get how you differentiate.

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

So all the mock drafts have to be change now!

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 22, 2011 1:12 PM PST reply actions  

depends on how many teams feel they need a qb.

Indy, Miami and Skins are maybe the only ones that who have a great “need” at qb. Many teams could be a wild card to draft a qb and Miami and Skins could look to free agency to fill their qb position as they have done in the past. Wild card teams who could draft a qb:browns,jags,broncos,chiefs, and seatle. This is probably why Barkley decided to stay; not many teams with a need and many top rated qbs in the draft again this year.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 22, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Luck
Griffin III
Jones

Those guys will all three go in the 1st Round.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

but I can see one of them dropping to the late teens or early twenties.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 22, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

yea I like Landry Jones...

but I can see that scenerio play out for him in the late 1st round. Still think he’s a heck of a talent though

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 22, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Likely Jones

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by Ougadas on Dec 22, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably Jones.

I think Luck and Griffin go in the top 10.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

next year niners qbs on the roster Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Laundry Jones..........

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 22, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Laundry? LOL

Landry Jones… he may stay at OU also… he has not said what he intends to do yet.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

If Jones stays....

This QB class is going to be really, really weak.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

two qb's in the first round would not be weak.

there have been drafts with no or one qb in the first round. there will also be one or two qbs that people will rave about and jump into first round contention.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 22, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Outside of Luck and Griffin of course.

And yes, there will be a Blaine Gabbert or two now…

Probably Weeden or someone like that.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

stay really??

humm, couldn’t hurt depending on what draft pundits have been telling him

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 22, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

well, they were telling barkley that he would probably be the fourth best qb in the draft lol.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 22, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

heeeeyy that's good scouting there then ;-)

one more year! do good, handle biz, go top 5 next year

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 22, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

First of all...

Some had him at the 2nd-3rd best QB…

He will not have 39 TD’s and just 7 INT’s… mark my words. That’s not easy to do and Pac-12 defenses are going to be stronger next year.

He is making a really bad mistake… I would not be surprised one bit to see what happened to Jimmy Clausen happen to Barkley.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

He'll beat that next year. Mark my words

Robert Woods is coming into the year when guys start to dominate… Marquis Lee will not take 5 games to get going next year.

They will be a ridiculous offense. Too bad Kalil didn’t come back. They would be pre-season #1

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Suuuuuure

Two words: Jimmy Clausen.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Clausen sucked and I was one of the few who agreed with McShay. I think you were saying he was still a first round pick

Barkley would be the best true QB in this draft. He’s going back because he got robbed of his childhood dream of taking SC to a bowl win.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

they could still be preseason #1

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

3rd

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

who are the top prospect in the 2013 draft?

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 22, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Too early to say really.

Barkley will be in there somewhere top 5 probably… if Jones stays, him too of course.

Outside of that my short list would be:

Aaron Murray (Georgia)
A.J. McCarron (Alabama)
Tyler Wilson (Arkansas)
Ryan Radcliff (C. Michigan)

Changes every year though. Think Cam Newton… nbody really knew him before his Championship run.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

AJ McCarron?

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

What is your question?

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

you think he is a top5 prospect in next years draft?

Ive spent all year listening to everyone on ESPN say how bad the Alabama QBs are.
Am I missing something?

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

No… he asked me who I would be watching in 2013. I think McCarron has good potential. If he is top 5 is up to him.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I see.

Hopefully he gets a lot more consistent.

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Minnesota

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by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 22, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I think if either Konz or DeCastro somehow fall to our position

We’d be stupid not to take them. 1st round corners, wide receivers, and pass rushers are at best a coin flip, but I think both of those guys are 10 year starters.

If for some reason they were to fall a spot or two from us, we should seriously consider moving up if the cost isn’t too high.

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by Ougadas on Dec 22, 2011 1:29 PM PST reply actions  

Konz/Decastro

There’s no chance…. I think we would have to move up to grab either. Unless we play and lose in the first round or something like that.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Sadly even if we do exit early, both are still likely gone.

We’d need there to be more blue chip tackles and defensive linemen in this draft. And every top prospect that drops out pushes them both up the board.

But that’s my biggest draft fantasy.

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by Ougadas on Dec 22, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

That would work too

Who impresses you in the OLB class?

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by Ougadas on Dec 22, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

To a team that has talent and depth and is drafting for the future... (GB or the Ravens)

He’s worth moving all the way up to 16-17. Whereas Pouncey was oversold Konz is being undersold. He’s that good. I saw Tolzien talk him up earlier I believe too

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

If he hits 25 I would pounce

If he hit 20 I would try to make a deal.

Guys who project to 10 year starters just don’t grow on trees.

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by Ougadas on Dec 22, 2011 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

NO ON SANU. No more Rutgers players

Just because Ray Rice was for real and everybody undersold him the opposite has been happening ever since. No Anthony Davis no Sanu.

If we go receiver, McShay has the right idea. Wright. (Or Alshon though he could bust hard)

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2011 2:35 PM PST reply actions  

No way the 9ers pick a WR in the first. the pick will be defense, keep Alex, you better get a better defense, period.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 22, 2011 2:41 PM PST reply actions  

Wonder where Kellen Moore is going in all of this QB talk?

smart, not strong arm, not fleet of foot, accurate, can read a defense……

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 22, 2011 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

5'11" and doesn't have Doug Flutie's speed or athleticism.

He’ll be a back up like Chase Daniel is for Drew Brees or somebody like that. I can see him going in the 4th, or so.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Pats just drafted Ryan Mallet in the 3rd....

And they rave of the kid. Not sure if they would use a qb that early again

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 22, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

you can never tell with the hoodie...

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 22, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

this is true lol...

but Brian Hoyer from MSU looks damn good to for the Pats

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 22, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah.

They won’t draft a QB unless it’s really, really late.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 22, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

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