49ers 19, Seahawks 17: Delanie Walker, Kyle Williams Injuries Could Be Costly, Plus Bullet Points!
by James Brady on Dec 24, 2011 6:00 PM PST
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NOTE: SITE DECORUM IS ON! I'm still not quite sure what happened with that game, but I'm told that the San Francisco 49ers did indeed win the football game, so I'll just run with that. A strong second half and an inability to put games away when they should made it come down to the wire, but in the end, San Francisco got it done with a thrilling 19-17 win over the Seattle Seahawks.
One of the biggest things, to me, is Larry Grant. He strung together three very strong games with Patrick Willis being hurt, and then proceeded to miss some tackles today. He missed a couple tackles that went for big gains, and led to Marshawn Lynch breaking the 49ers' streak of not allowing a 100-yard rusher. But in the end, Grant forced a big time fumble on Tarvaris Jackson and that ultimately led to the 49ers winning. He's a backup who stepped it up big time.
Of certain significance are the injuries to Delanie Walker and Kyle Williams. Both hits were extremely questionable (the guy who kicked Walker in the head was running awfully weird), though the latter was just downright uncalled for. The NFL has been very clear about players who surrender, and you cannot punish a player on the ground. It's just that simple. At the time of writing this, there's nothing new on either, but both concussions and jaw injuries could be in play for both players.
Either way, treat this as another postgame thread, and make the jump for some bullet point observations.
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12-3
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
Hawks are two losses to Niners away from playoffs.
Oh the sweet whiny tears.
Goldson should be gone next season.
Needs: 2OLB, 2CB, FS, CB, WR, G and not in any particular order….
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
I wouldn’t be upset if he’s gone, all depends on what kind of contract he demands.
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yea me either as you say depends on contract...
when you have a habit of not wrapping up that’s a problem especially when you are the last line of defense. as for your christmas wish list rlott I concur…
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
sure it will be fat
with his 6 picks from the FS spot this year
Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).
rookie
or free agent or reggie smith.. anybody really
by smileyman on Dec 24, 2011 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not this year. When Reggie sees the field this year he’s kinda .. not good
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He might not be a better at creating turnovers, but I'll take not completely whiffing tackles all over the field to make up for that.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
Reggie is fricking AWFUL at tackling
Goldson is pretty bad himself but Reggie is like 50x worse
Not Reggie
Reggie was part of our defense taking awful angles and giving up big pass plays in the opener to Seattle and loss to Dallas. We don’t lose the Dallas game if Goldson plays.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I don't think he's meant for coverage
But how many FS out there can patrol the middle of the field, support the run, and cover a WR? Ed Reed and no one else. That’s a HOFer. You either get a bigger guy like Goldson or a Merton Hanks type who covers better but gets run over by bigger RBs.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I'll take the coverage guy who can tackle every time
you have linemen and linebackers to stop the bigger RBs, and a smaller safety can take down any size RB if he tackles properly.
No such thing in the NFL ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Yup , this Nfl game to way too fast for good technic , for the most part ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
No it's not
that’s not what I’m saying at all. Look at the way NaVorro Bowman and Patrick Willis tackle for an example of this.
They all need to stop watching Madden...
and trying to make it a reality!!
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
seriously the way Goldson plays he might be better @ SS instead of FS
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
eh
happens to every player once in awhile. Whitner has been one heck of a pickup for this team. So has Rogers
He has
But coverage has always been the weakest part of his game.
He had a couple today where he was tighter on his man than I’ve seen him all year too so…
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happens to every player once in awhile
Yep. Wish people would consider that about Goldson while he is putting up Pro Bowl numbers.
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by Drew Kerr on Dec 24, 2011 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
And missing 3-4 big tackles a game
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
Which ones today?
1? Maybe… if that?
I think you are WAYYY too harsh on him this season. I think a lot of people’s bias’ of him from years previous have carried over and it’s kinda BS to be honest.
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Yep. He did.
But he is one of the reasons this team is 12-3 too
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Oh I agree
and, to me, I want the FS to be the guy who blows guys up when he hits them. That’s why I liked Taylor Mays, and why I like Goldson.
LOL. Power trip.
The kid from Seattle aint bad. Nor the one in Philly, Pats, or the Lions.
There are some good safeties that are younger and hit the league better than Goldson.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
I'm pretty sure everybody is being sarcastic
We all know his name is Earl Thomas
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
What?
Detroit and NE have awful secondaries all the way around. Goldson is better than any of their safeties. I think if you were forced to watch every on of their games you’d be wishing you had Goldson.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
This
There are hardly any safeties having as good a year as Goldson is.
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
Only as far as ints goes
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
Not bad in PD department as well
I missed the first drive of the game, so I am obviously not feeling what everyone else is right now. But he has not upset me in the least this year.
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
I was saying this before this game.
He whiffed on like 5 big tackles in the Steelers game too
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
I guess I would have to watch that again
I was pretty satisfied with the Steelers game that I didn’t pick apart many faults.
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
Robert Lester Alabama, Probably can be had in the 2nd rd of the draft.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Dec 24, 2011 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Has to be a rookie, Williams, Smith, and Goldson are wasting a roster spot. I mean if Reggie was any good, we wouldv'e never taken Goldson
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
I know you hate, hate, hate Goldson
But he is probably going to the Pro Bowl. He has the most INT’s for an NFL safety this year.
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by Drew Kerr on Dec 24, 2011 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well he also has had some hard hits
But yeah he has too many mental breakdowns
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
He can go to the pro bowl, that means nothing to me, Tebow might make it.
Pro Bowl’s are for, I dunno, but I could care less. Goldson is a horrible safety. He is exactly why I don’t want to face Brees in the playoffs. Their HC will attack him and Brown’s side just like the Steelers wanted to.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
I'm wondering if the coaches should rotate Aldon
whichever side Goldson/Brown are on put Aldon to create pressure on that side
We need another DE and another "starting" OLB. But, in response to what you are talking about, I think we have Justin Smith at the wrong position in the Nickel.
I want to see Dobbs get live reps. I can’t fathom why he doesn’t get live reps and why the hell it took Williams so long to get in the starting lineup, especially after the play vs the Cowboys.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
I have no idea why Dobbs is even on the roster to be honest?
I can’t recall anything he’s done in the preseason to justify it? I’m asking because that was a long time ago
Nah, Dobbs definitely earned his spot.
He just has done nothing in his limited snaps. He played very well in preseason and a lot of people hoped he made the cut. It helped that we had no expectations
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He could be Justin Smith's successor.
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Dobbs
He had a couple of really dominant moments in preseason.
I think Tomsula sees the potential in him. A guy I have no clue about, but was supposed to be a great UDFA signing is Ian Williams.
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Not when I would expect any NFL caliber safety to make at least 5 of those 7 plays
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
And miss a lot less tackles
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
You’re splitting hairs now. DG is a top ten safety in the league. Every player misses tackles. He is having a solid season and a major contributor to the #1 defense in the NFL.
I guess some people always have to find something to complain about. I would think the Offense would be an obvious target rather than the hard hitting, interception leading safty who has helped our D be #1.
The hard hitting, no wrapping, poor covering, mispositioned, tackle whiffing right-place-at-the-right-time for horribly thrown balls
safety
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
Dashon's Ints have come against
McCoy, Beck, Skelton (twice), Big Ben and AJ Feely
He’s not making great picks off the league’s elite.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
In that second Cardinals game to make up for picking off Skelton
He got beat on a 60 yard TD by Early Doucet and then got embarrassed by Larry Fitz for another long TD
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Oh and got his tackle broken on the other long Larry Fitz pass
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
He is no where near perfect
But he isn’t even in the top ten things that are wrong with this team. You’ve gotten spoiled and don’t remember what it was like before we had him. He is an upgrade at the position and there are alot of teams that will be glad to get him. I don’t think he’ll be back and I think we will be worse off for it.
Name all the weak QB’s he got picks on all you want. They are NFL players and he made the play. How many weak QB’s did Roman pick?
I'm not saying we should bench him
I’m just saying we shouldn’t resign him. He’s already made it clear he’s completely about himself and the money. He wants to get paid. BIG. He’s not worth it. He’s worth a million a year above the league average. Not much more.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
They all count
And we didn’t play Rodgers, Brees, or Brady this reg season.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
had a very close near INT vs manning
that was barely out of bounds
this is also a good point
i also think that we got a deal on Goldsoln thanks to nobody else wanting him
not enough to sign a deal
which means they didn’t want him at all since I think they could’ve afforded what we paid for him
Goldson didn't want to play there. The competition at safety was far greater. he is just looking for a pay day, I hate that clown.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
He'll get one this time cause somebody will look at his Int numbers
and ignore the fact that he’s just been fortunate in regards to that this year and is generally horrible when it comes to making important 3rd down stops.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
"rlott#42", have you heard the real Ronnie Lott (#42) talk about Dashon on knbr?
he RAVES about his “WOOOO” hits, saying “he’s got me out of my seat a lot”. Why are you a ronnie lott fan if you aren’t on board with the most ballhawking and big hit delivering safety we’ve had since ….. who? merton hanks for ints? ronnie lott for big hits?? seriously what are you complaining about… yes, he goes for the big hit, and doesn’t always wrap up, but it has only looked like a problem since Willis went out. Whitner, Willis and Navarro are such fundamental tacklers, who are always there to clean up, that Goldson can take his shots. He fills a role of playmaker for our D because he can afford to because we have those three relentless gang-tackling players giving support in the middle of the field. How many turnovers has he gotten us this year? and he doesn’t just want cash he returned here over NE because this is his team. Loyalty.
Hanks could actually cover properly and make difficult interceptions
And made solid tackles instead of going for big hits and whiffing.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 25, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Hanks was great in coverage
and had beautiful form.
Someone who doesn’t get credit for his beautiful tackling is Deion Sanders. One of the prettiest open field tacklers out there. Never went for the big hit.
Be careful
We went a long time without a safety anywhere near as good as him. Recall the full season with zero INTs from the FS position? Roman is thy name.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Dec 24, 2011 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ROman wouldn't have been better with this coaching
If you can’t assure an upgrade, keep the devil you know. Especially when that devil is one of the top 12 FS in the game.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Dec 24, 2011 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You really think Goldson is that good?
If you do, then we’re clearly on different planets with this one
Have you watched Safety play in the NFL?
Does he compare to Lott or Hicks? No. Does he compare to the current safeties? Yes. That’s the current NFL and how he has to be judged.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I hate the whole "Do you watch football"?
because it’s stupid. Of course I do. I happen to have a different opinion of Goldson’s relative worth. We clearly value different things in safeties, which makes my appreciation of him far worse than yours.
It’s no call to come at me like I’m someone who doesn’t watch football.
It was meant seriously
I didn’t ask if you watch football, I asked if specifically you watch safety play. Obviously you watch football. But you may not pay attention to the safeties on other teams. I didn’t want to assume and say something like “you need to watch other safeties” so I asked. I was being respectful. You stated that we must be on different planets. I don’t think considering Goldson to be top 12 is worthy of different planets so to me you must be missing what else is out there.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
OK
I get where you’re coming from. I try to watch as much of every position as I can. I prefer to focus on the line play, but it’s not as if I ignore safety play either. I just think that Goldson’s biggest strengths are his ability to make a hit, and I don’t regard that very highly as an attribute.
I think his coverage skills are average and I think his tackling skills are below average, which would make him at best somewhere in the middle of starting safeties.
Gotcha
I think his range is an excellent asset in the current NFL of pass heavy teams. I don’t grade his tackling as poorly as you do but do wish he was better. I don’t expect his coverage his skills to be great b/c I don’t expect to be matched up often one on one. The TD today was the right play call by Seattle, but he needed Brown to come up and make tackle before the goal line which he lazily whiffed on.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Goldson is Tony Parrish but worse tackling.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
nice
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He had 4 mediocre years.
2 Great years (in terms of Int numbers), played 1 more full season… and was out of the league 2 years later.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Whitner is better and Rogers will at least get some int's.
There are quite a few dbacks in this coming draft, it is time to trim the fat.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Yeah, but we have Whitner, Rogers, and a surging Culliver. and the guy behind Culliver isn't bad. Brock is okay by me for a #3, hopefully 4 next season.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Eff it.
If we have to we can move Culliver over to replace Dashon and draft another corner since there are no safeties in the draft.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
Harbaugh knows the college game better
I think he will draft some good players
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Amazing how quickly people forget
We are bashing on a guy who is playing better than at least twenty other dudes at his position. We have gotten spoiled if Goldson is a problem
by Tyler50 on Dec 24, 2011 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Padding his stats on the bottom feeders while giving up just as many big plays
Feely, Skelton (2), Beck, McCoy and injured Big Ben
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Why do we need 2 OLB?
I mean, I assume that Aldon will step into the starting role one of these days, right? Also, I’m hopeful Grant can morph into the other one. Also, you have CB twice, and we only need one (assuming we resign Rogers) since I think Culliver is a fine 3rd CB.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 24, 2011 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
I think he means OLB #2
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Fair
Still, I don’t see why we couldn’t try to slide Larry Grant over there. He’s earned it, no?
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 24, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think Grant would make a good OLB.
He’s built like a coverage TED or an all-around MIKE, which is how we use him. He’s scrappy, broad and surprisingly good in coverage. I don’t think any of his particular skillset combined with his frame translate to OLB
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He's an immediate upgrade to Parys Haralson. Same skill set but better at everything.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not so sure about that … Haralson is clearly a better tackler and might be a better pass rusher. But I will say Grant has more big-play potential with his tackles.
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I'd argue the tackling factor too. I only caught the 1 clearly missed tackle on the Marshawn TD
If Parys were faster he’d have been there to make the play in the first place but since he was too slow to get into position Grant darts out and gets his tackle broken.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
I think there’s enough tape to see that Haralson is generally a very sound tackler. Grant has blown some people up, but he doesn’t wrap as well as I’d like, especially in this game. He’d have had a bad game if not for the super awesome happy fun time fumble.
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I mean we have three on the roster and we need another. i also don't like brooks as the starter.
Even when Aldon was doubled he got absolutely 0 pressure today.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Uhh...
He got a sack, and plenty of other pressure… What game were you watching?
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 24, 2011 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
Oh wait
I misread your comment, NM
I'm just a simple Giants fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 24, 2011 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
We could at least try
Before we give him up
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 24, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
It's not like he doesn't have the size.
Clay Matthews 6’3 255
Larry Grant 6’1 250
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
But he is good enough at ILB on this roster. A rookie out of college that has played for 4 years is gonna be better than him at OLB next season.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
You're making a leap. Just because you played it in college doesn't necessarily make you better at it than a guy that's being very successful at the NFL level at a similar position
Urlacher was a strong safety. A guy that’s been playing middle linebacker for 4 years in the NFL is going to be a better middle linebacker than him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Wait
That seems backwards. Your arguement seems to go both ways…
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
I was making an extreme point. He's saying a guy that's already proved he's successful at the NFL level can't transition to a similar position
better than an unproven at the NFL level, college guy can come in and do it.
Where I gave an example that an unproven at the NFL level guy can come in and do it better than most anybody.
Arguments point. Everybody is different. It’s about the individual not about the position. Urlacher was a Safety who turned into one of the best MLBs in the league. Lets not assume just cause some college kid has played OLB for 4 years Grant couldn’t be better considering he’s demonstrated a high level of ability at LB already.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
I was making an extreme point. He's saying a guy that's already proved he's successful at the NFL level can't transition to a similar position
better than an unproven at the NFL level, college guy can come in and perform at his regular position
Where I gave an example that an unproven at the NFL level guy can come in and transition to an all new position better than most anybody in the game.
Arguments point. Everybody is different. It’s about the individual not about the position. Urlacher was a Safety who turned into one of the best MLBs in the league. Lets not assume just cause some college kid has played OLB for 4 years Grant couldn’t be better considering he’s demonstrated a high level of ability at LB already.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
read the 2nd one. The first one was poorly worded.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, I think I get what you are saying
I would agree that it’s about the individual, rookies come in every year and subplant veterans. We have some examples of players like that on this team, Miller, Culiver, Aldon.
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
And, we need him for depth he can come in for Bowman or Willis, and we need another ILB, maybe!
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
See that's the thing
If he’s fine with being a backup, and being payed like one, fine. But I think he’s worthy to start, and we can’t offer him that opportunity at ILB.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 24, 2011 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Depth is just as important as a starter. Especially when he can sub for either ILB.
You can’t keep every great player, that is why there is free agency. It’s the same reason Baltimore foolishly let him walk.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
I wish we hadn't let Taylor Mays go.
I really only make myself feel better about it by imagining that they asked him and Taylor refused to change positions.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
I could see Mays having some success in maybe a Roman Harper type role.
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
Nickle LB/pure SS role
Bengals used him in man coverage on Daniels. Daniels torched the defense for 100 yards when Taylor wasn’t in but made 0 catches when Taylor was covering him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
repost cuz im angry and i hate the seahawks...
710 espn called the niners classless. saying also that jim harbaughs antics will come bite him in the
ass. . . I really hate living here. (not really…but I do hate the seahawks) had fun at the
game. . . but seahawk fans are so delusional.
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Dec 24, 2011 6:08 PM PST via mobile reply actions
you know who had no class, their sorry piece of sacks of fan and Pate Carroll.
who on in their right mind would cheer when a player is injury. a double helmets hit. Thats is dirty!!!!! No wonder he are still respected, and they are not.
Seriously.
The Seahawks are the worse fans in the NFL, I lived you there for 4 years and maybe met a handful of intelligent fans that actually knew the game.
Semper Gumbi-always flexible
by Military49er on Dec 24, 2011 6:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Let's not pretend as if 49ers fans weren't wildly cheering when Patrick Willis broke Hasselbeck's ribs
at Candlestick in 2009.
Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan
by Fearless Frog on Dec 24, 2011 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
on a play when he needed to make a stop
not hitting a defenseless player who gave himself up. Big difference there.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
How were the Seahawks supposed to know he gave himself up?
Williams could have easily gotten up and continued to run.
Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan
by Fearless Frog on Dec 24, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Body language, it is pretty simple. No effort to advance the ball whatsoever.
If he tried to run, the refs were already blowing the whistle…it is a pretty simple concept.
The Victor Cruz play is the same thing, whether you disagree with the rule is fine, but it is there to protect players. Just like taking a knee in the endzone on a kick, they are giving themselves up.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
Williams tripped and the Seahawks dove on him.
I am not outraged at that outcome. It is bad that Robinson led with his helmet but other than that I have no problem with the play. Also Hawks fans were cheering because we thought that the Seahawks had recovered the ball. The cheering was not meant to taunt, it was us showing pride in our team.
To dive on a downed player when leading with the helmet is equivalent to spearing. I don’t think the intent was to injure but the lack of discipline in knowing to just touch down a downed player does make the hit vicious and cheap even if that wasn’t the intent. Seeing how overly emotional the Seattle players were all game, lead by their overly emotional cheerleader head coach, I’m not surprised. Carroll’s pro teams have always been this way which is one reason they’re so up & down inconsistent. Allow the situation to be flipped and we’d be hearing understandable howls for the Seahawks fans.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
"Seeing how overly emotional the Seattle players were all game, lead by their overly emotional cheerleader head coach, I’m not surprised."
Umm…. what? If Pete’s overly emotional what the heck is Harbaugh? The Niners were being chippy after the whistle all game long. Pete’s team’s here in Seattle haven’t been inconsistent because of him it’s because he had to completely overhaul our roster when he took over. We’ve been pretty consistently the team yo saw yesterday since we played Dallas in week 9.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
Harbaugh is not overly emotional (externally anyway) on game day. Focused and intense but not emotional. He’s not fist pumping every little play by his team nor are his players instigating post whistle pushing and shoving as the Seahawks were. If you think that stuff was started by the Niners you really need to clean your homer lenses.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
"Focused and intense but not emotional."
Ok Jack, I get he’s your son and all and this isn’t a slam on him, but he did celebrate like it was the Super Bowl after a week six win in Detroit. Also what’s wrong with Pete being fired up when his guys make a big play? It seemed like the Niners an awful lot from my seat and on my DVR. It was a chippy game and certainly no one was a Boy Scout out there.
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Difference there
JH was emotional after one win. Carroll is this way during all games at most all times. I think you get that, thus trying to deflect with some snippy line about Jack. Whatever. The better team and head coach won again, in part, because his team kept a fairly even keel throughout the game. They weathered the attempt of Seattle to make the game chippy and more emotional instead of about talent and execution. I get that that’s what lesser teams try to do. The good guys kept their heads and executed enough to win.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
"lead by their overly emotional cheerleader head coach"
And the 49ers were being led by their emotional petulant child of a head coach, bitching on the sidelines about every single call.
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by Fearless Frog on Dec 25, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
We all know he doesn't do that
But now that you mention it, Carroll cried to the media about Crabtree pushing off (he didn’t) yet Harbaugh never complained about his receivers behind held multiple times without a call, the BS push in the back on Cosanzo that cost the Niners tremendous field position, or the incorrect PI call on Brown that should’ve been OPI on Seattle. Good thing the true petulant coach got the loss.
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Robinson tackled him in the back/side.
The force pushed Williams forward to the other Seahawks player, causing inadvertent contact with their helmets.
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by Fearless Frog on Dec 25, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
While leading with his helmet. He should be suspended for next season.
All of it.
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by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 25, 2011 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, but he didn't need to lay a hit on him. All he needed to do was touch him
the rules are pretty clear that what he did was illegal.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
It’s much like spearing. If a guy is on the ground you touch him down, not go head first into him.
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Dang , that really gotta suck , to have to listen to the transitory disident crap spwed from the clueless all the time ...!!
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How do they figure that?
What did JH do to piss them off? Oh, beat their precious little team. Too bad. Get used to it, Seattle.
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screw seattle fans
so their reasoning was this.. I will paraphrase the best I can. basically they said that jim harbaugh was a douche (yes they used the word douche) and that the law of averages was against him. eventually jim h would come down to earth and then we would see what a douche he really is. the Niners according to 710 espn are classless because they “act cocky” which comes from years of losing. when the Niners face adversary then we will know that harbaugh is not as good as people think. so yeah…that’s what the smart people on the radio said.
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
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You need a Cd player , playing at all time's until you get to your computer and listen to something else ...!!
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im just gonna take it as a compliment.
haters gonna hate.
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Dec 24, 2011 6:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
also
the seahawks stadium showed almost no replays that made the seahawks look bad
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Dec 24, 2011 6:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions
also
the seahawks stadium showed almost no replays that made the seahawks look bad
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
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They didn't really show replays at all...
and honestly we never have.
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good lede:
I’m still not quite sure what happened with that game, but I’m told that the San Francisco 49ers did indeed win the football game, so I’ll just run with that
Unfortunately for us, you could copy and paste that to too many other post game recaps.
Don’t understand this one:
Regardless of outcome, I’m totally alright with the 49ers not taking a shot in the end zone after the Braylon Edwards penalty. The defense was playing very well and the points were most important.
I don’t know any team that wouldn’t take a shot in the end zone from 13 yards out on 3rd and goal in that situation when you NEED points. THEY WERE GOING TO GET POINTS ANYWAYS with a chip shot FG, so there isn’t a good reason not to take a shot. (please don’t say “so we wouldn’t risk turning the ball over…”) Even announcers were so adamant about how curious (i.e., excessively conservative) probably because they might have never seen that before. Calls like that are what leads to games like this which, of course, can go either way at the end.
That was coming immediately after the Seahawks dropped an interception in the endzone.
Of course I wouldn’t risk it.
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This statment says many things
What if Smith threw it out of bounds? does that make it more sensical to go for the TD? It shouldn’t. Taking a shot in that situation is either a good idea or it isn’t. And if going for 6 when you need Pts from 13 yards out is too much of a risk, dare I say, you need a new QB or a coach who isn’t insane.
It says cooler heads prevail. It was smart to take the points there. The proof is in the win, really.
We won by two – us winning was a direct result of the field goal.
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you get the FG anyways!!!
and the win is not proof of anything other than that we ended the game with more points than them.
and the win is not proof of anything other than that we ended the game with more points than them.
This is the entire premise of sports in general.
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and this has nothing to do with
what we’re talking about. he was arguing that, because the niners won, therefore not making a sincere effort score a TD is the right move.
No he wasn't
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In a close game
you take as close to the sure points as you can get, while making sure you don’t make any mistakes in the red zone.
this is just not a good argument
when you still (should, and need) TD’s. You could say that on many 3rd downs as a reason to justify running the ball up the gut
it depends on the context
but of course nobody considers context anymore. I feel like a broken record every time I say that.
There are no hard and fast rules for what a team should do. In this circumstance I’m 100% with James that this was the right call.
Then why not just kick it on 1st down after the 40 yard catch?
That way you also avoid a botched snap by Smith, or a Gore fumble, or or or…
LOL. Power trip.
I was arguing that points were the most important thing, given the circumstances.
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You are not guaranteed a field goal, just like the 49ers weren't guaranteed better field position when they decided to punt the ball, and had it blocked.
The win is proof that, well, they won. By two points, which means if they didn’t have one of those field goals, they would have lost.
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Scoring more points than the other team
is kind of the whole point.
FGs are never a given in the NFL, especially not with the poor blocking on the kicking teams this season.
but it's not enough of a risk
to not make a sincere attempt to score a TD, unless you privately admit that you have a QB that is so horrible that it’s not worth it. I even know Smith is not anywhere near that bad. There aren’t many QB’s that are bad enough to justify not taking that “risk”…
You don’t have to take risks at every opportunity to win games. Like I said, cooler heads prevail.
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I'm arguing that
it wasn’t much of a “risk” and, considering how much football you’ve watched, wouldn’t you say just about everyone would try and get 6 there? It’s one thing if a FG puts you up two possessions and it’s late in the 4th qtr and you want to kill clock or force them to run a TO, but in other cases…even Num nuts announcer guy was dumbstruck at the idea.
"I'm arguing that it wasn't much of a 'risk'"
Let me direct you to this again
You don’t have to take risks at every opportunity to win games
Nowhere did I say what the 49ers did was risky, just that it was the right thing to do, in my opinion.
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Which they didn’t need to do, especially given that the rush went for more then ten yards and the rushing attack has been better for SF this season regardless. You’re actually politicking a strategy that has worked less-often than the one they went with.
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James... he is clearly just here to ruffle feathers
He does the same crap every week
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seriously
when trying to gain 13 yards, I’m sure the numbers will show passes are better ways of getting those yards on one play than run.
depends on the team
depends on the wide receiver, depends on the situation, etc., etc., etc.
statistics are great. I love them. I get deried around here on occasion for that—but they’re only useful as tools to help make a decision based on the current situation you’re in, not as a hard and fast rule.
by smileyman on Dec 24, 2011 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think you need stats
anyways to reach down into your pants, find your sack, and call a pass play in that situation.
What am I talking about? It’s not about balls or taking risks, it’s literally the smart play — to try AND SCORE A TD. Given the score of the game, the time left, and that you were looking at a chip shot FG regardless, the only sensible play is to make a sincere effort to score — which rules out the run play, cause nobody is REALLY trying to score a TD 13 yards out by running.
Again
in the current situation I was fine with it. Injured wide receivers, shaky pass blocking, if you take a sack you’re pushed further back, you put up the risk of an interception, etc.
In a different situation I’m not fine with it. Again it’s situational and I just disagree.
I'm with salary on this one
I have been pretty disappointed with play calling most of the year. But, a sack on that play wouldn’t have pushed them out of fg range, not even close. If nothing was there he could always throw it away, I wouldn’t have worried about the int that much. They should have tried to score, if it doesn’t work, the fg is still available. I am highly concerned about our offense given the teams we are likely to face in the playoffs.
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
I find it very hard
to see a glimmer of reasoning that could could justify settling for 3 there when it wasn’t even 4th down…
Is this really the football you want to be
seeing in the playoffs?…
Niners even with [enter playoff team] at 10-10 in 3rd or 4th qtr (with plenty of time remaining) and you basically accept a chip shot FG instead of taking the “risk” and going for the endzone at just 13 YARDS OUT? Do you want to lose games trying not to lose?
The 49ers not going for it on that particular third down in that particular situation doesn’t give me the doom and gloom scenario in the playoffs that you’re suggesting, no.
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Yep... I want to see WINNING effin football.
Whatever it takes to win and who gives a ish about the rest?
Most uf us don’t give a crap how we win… as long as we win. You are the only one that has issues when we win a game… and this has become a tired ass pattern from you week in and week out
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this presumes that this is
some kind of winning recipe and will happen all the time when you play like this. i want to win a playoff game, not just get there on a 13-3 record that means nothing come playoff time.
They won by two points because they kicked a field goal which, correct me if I’m wrong, is worth three points.
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by James Brady on Dec 24, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have a feeling that even if we win a playoff game
You’re still gonna bitch about it…
We could be heading in to the Championship game coming out of a close win… and your ass would chalk it up to an automatic loss… and the Superbowl, and so forth.
Be happy for the goddamn win for chrissake… for once? Geeezus
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I am glad the
Niners won as opposed to losing. Securing a bye is crucial, cause losing in the wild card round would be quite a damper on the season in my view. There are other reasons too which you are surely aware of.
I think it is more the fact that instead of displaying this feeling, your first response is to talk about the negative (as it always is).
If you came out and said this, and then had some other issues to bring up it would make a lot more sense to some of us.
As it stands, it comes off as you only caring about the fact that the 9ers ‘barely won’ so that can’t possibly be a good thing no matter what it means in the grand scheme.
I don’t know why you’d be surprised by any of the reactions you get at this point (I don’t actually think you are). Seems to me it is what you’re looking for anyway.
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It is...
And it’s my fault for feeding these nonsense type of conversations.
Best bet would be for all of us to just ignore this guy. If he goes away, then we know what his true intent was. If he sticks around and changes his tune, then we can maybe say we made a mistake in our assessments.
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I won't forgive you until I feel like you actually like the 49ers.
Right now, I don’t get that feeling from you. And it’s not just from your so-called “objectivity” which basically IS NOT objectivity.
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I was asking for Virginia's
forgiveness in my tongue-and-cheek sort of way, but since you responded, I’ll just say that I’ll be working hard to earn your forgiveness.
I answered for him bc I am sure we share the same sentiment.
And I highly doubt it. I would believe it when I saw it… but I am nearly sure you were being sarcastic.
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Since when did this site become a who's a bigger fan contest?
This site is for discussing the 49ers, good and bad. From what I have seen, he voices valid concerns. As happy as I am to win every game, they have been far from pretty, and it hasn’t been up against the best of compitition. There are still plenty of fans out there who are pesimistic given all the bad years we have experienced, and still witness on this same team the many reasons they were so bad for so long. I think it is fair and natural for fans to still have concerns and worries about this team.
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
Sure it is... and you are right.
But some folks are on a totally different program if you know what I am saying.
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Maybe
I don’t read through the comments as much anymore, so maybe I am missing the consistancies with people. I just didn’t see this particular question/concern as non valid or looking to stir the pot. Hell, this article wasn’t actually a positive one, and rightfully so.
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
That was coming immediately after the Seahawks dropped an interception in the endzone
The defender was lucky to tip that pass. It was much closer to being a TD than an INT. I know you dislike Alex as a Niner QB and that was not his best pass decision, but lets be a little objective.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Dec 24, 2011 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I have said numerous times I am an Alex Smith supporter and fan. That post had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Alex Smith
and I’m really sick of you people who are so desperate to defend someone that you have to put words in my mouth. I was only noting the fact that NOTHING is guaranteed in the NFL and yes, if the 49ers took a shot, it could have been turned over. It had NOTHING to do with Alex Smith. It could easily have happened on a Davis drop or Edwards forgetting how to play wide receiver.
Good lord, people. DO NOT give me these idiotic lies.
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by James Brady on Dec 24, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"You People."
I’m just going off of the fact that almost every post by you in the last month has mentioned how inaccurate Alex Smith is (with the odd exception of this one). I think it was last week you mentioned in every one of the Game day threads you put up that Alex had overthrown another receiver.
Sorry if I misinterpreted your opinions as a dislike of Alex Smith a Niner QB. But, then you go and assume, that I have some sort of agenda to defend Alex Smith while at the same time accusing me of putting words in YOUR mouth.
It’s all good. :)
Over
by cybermaldonado on Dec 24, 2011 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
And in most of those posts I fully admit that I am focusing on specific things and NOT a full-on evaluation.
Sorry for going off on you, there are few things that are able to upset me anymore on Niners Nation, but being blatantly misunderstood sure is one of them!
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Smith is
inaccurate from time to time. Often at crucial times. Seems to me he should be getting kudos for that.
What crucial times?
Like when he bombed a 41 yard pass to Crabtree… or the long passes downfield to VD for the go ahead TD?
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He's also accurate at crucial times
e.g. Detroit.
Also he’s tied the team record set by Joe Montana for most 4th quarter come from behind wins by a QB.
the philly and Detroit drives
were good ones by SMith. But look up what that “4th quarter comeback” stat requires, and considering the contexts of Smith’s “comebacks” it doesn’t seem like it warrants reason to prop him up as some kind of “closer” or “clutch” QB.
Those two games have not been the only times in the past 6 years he's done it.
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I know full well what that means
but that doesn’t detract anything at all from the satement, nor does that detract from the “clutch” names given to other big name QBs.
At least two of those games this year it was all on Smith.
3 ... we would not have won the Bengals game had he not drove at the end as well
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True
I’m not convinced that he’s the future—I think the 49ers need to draft another QB this draft. However if they don’t I’m ok with Smith as a caretaker until the right guy comes along
Don’t mention Moore too loudly, you’ll get manraj all flustered.
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does he not think he’s good? Seems to me Moore will go into the draft underrated given his perceived shortcomings, which makes me think he will last and be a steal. Moore is good.
Garcia was 6'1 bud...
And a guy like Doug Flutie who was that size, had the athleticism to run for his life.
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I happen to think that Tebow's recent success
will have a lot more GM’s and coaches reconsidering who to take in the draft.
I think Moore could find success if drafted to the right system
Tebow's success is a mirage
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by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
I think that's a mistake to assume anything
about his long term success based on a handful of games, especially since his passing has improved each game (until this last game which was a debacle).
Because he will be serving Gatorade on the sidelines.
That’s pretty hard to screw up.
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LMAO!!!
/Moore looks at ground with sad face
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put him through a strength and conditioning
program with a professional team and he can add 15 lbs. then it’s 5’11 and 195 lbs and not nearly as dire.
Also being short and small isn’t a bar to great NFL qbs, depending on how they’re going to be used. I wouldn’t ever put him in a traditional offense, but in one designed around a powerful running game and short passes I think he’d be perfect.
He's no Drew Brees and he sure in the heck is not a Doug Flutie
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Arguing unproven talent is like arguing the existence of the Easter Bunny over Santa Claus…
We’ll see and time will tell… but I have seen you be plenty wrong about plenty of topics before so it would come as no surprise to me when you are wrong about this eventually too.
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I love the irony of this kind of argument coming from a draft expert!
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I’ve been wrong… but my percentages of “rights” far, far out weigh the wrongs.
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by Drew Kerr on Dec 24, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Because what you said was not starting it, right?
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I was just poking fun at the bit about arguing unproven talent
When that’s kinda your job
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I think what you mean is arguing unproven talent as finite conclusions and certainties, as opposed to projection
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Basically.
But still… either way, tangibles or intangibles don’t always equal success at the NFL level based on college numbers and success.
And coaching does play a major role. I think that is pretty evident from what we are seeing no with this Niners team opposed to the last.
And I can almost guarantee that the mad scientist (Harbaugh) is behind the scenes grooming Kaep.
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Hey, I got no idea what you guys are arguing about.
I was just taking an opportunity to give you [site decorum].
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Doug Flutie wasn't Flutie until he was
and you don’t know what Moore is capable of until he goes to the pros.
Moore could end up being a complete bust, or he could turn out to be a surprise success
Or a career back up like I think he will be drafted to be.
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Flutie's athleticism is worlds beyond what Moore has
Flutie was a short guy of Steve Young’s athletic caliber.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, pretty much.
Moore is not gonna survive in the NFL for his lack of mobility. He stands in the pocket for 10-12 seconds and has a smoke before he passes the ball each time.
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Wait don't we already have Kaepernick?
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by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not convinced that he's our answer
Plus I’ve seen way more of Moore on tv than Kaepernic so I’m more familiar with Moore than Kaepernick
I do
Harbaugh is a good coach. Harbaugh wanted Kaepernick, they traded up to get him. Besides it’d be stupid to pick two quarterbacks in the second round in consecutive years.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
Kaep has looked okay in the games
I trust Harbaugh will be able to mold him. He turned Andrew Luck into the first overall pick.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
The only rumblings you’ve heard are people looking for a cheap story because Luck’s been there all year. If Andrew Luck goes #2 (barring injury) or lower I’ll be SHOCKED.
I'm just a simple Giants fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 24, 2011 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
Which games were thoughs ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
...or did he?!?
Watch, RG3 will suddenly become way better at football leading up to the draft.
LOL. Power trip.
Right now we have Alex backed up by two rookies. So…
The Panthers took Cam the year after Clausen and they took Pike right?. Of course we all know Clausen is terrible, many before they took him, but I wouldn’t be opposed to getting a QB in rd 3-4. Wouldn’t want one in the 2nd.
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I guess I would be okay with a 4th rounder
Still, Clausen was a bad pick from the start. Nobody thought he was good, everyone just hyped him.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
I wonder how teams will view him as the draft approaches. I’ve always loved his skills and savvy. Accurate, smart, clutch. Arms seems strong enough.
Kaepernick by definition has all those tools and then some.
Only he doesn’t weigh a buck-fifty and not stand taller than 6’0"
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don't you watch a lot
of college football? One who does,, and has watched both players, cannot say this, or at least maintain credibility talking about college football, quarterbacks, or football generally, when doing this.
Ummm yeah they all have and did… You OBVIOUSLY pay no attention to college football as evidence by your delusion here.
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I think Kaepernick is the guy.
But Smith needs to start one more year. And we need to look for a Tom Brady in the 5th-6th rounds for Harbaugh to get a hold of.
Tolzien is not gonna work. Trust me, I saw that guy in warm-ups when I went to the AZ game, and he could not hit ANYBODY.
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It's too early to tell for Kaepernic
I hope to see him get lots of playing time the rest of the season.
I mean that in all honesty.
He’s not gonna play this year unless Smith is injured.
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I think he will
If the Saints lose and the Packers win then the 49ers clinch the #2 and are out of contention for homefield position and there’s no reason not to play him and every reason to rest the veterans.
Alex needs to go in to the playoffs on a roll.
I doubt he gets rested unless we are blowing the Rams out.
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This Ofeense has to much work to do , too entertain that thought ...!!
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Exactly my thoughts.
Could afford to experiment a lot on the Rams.
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Smith is the perfect guy for Harbaughs system ...!!
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no he's not
Smith isn’t a super accurate passer. He can get it done when the pressure is on, but you need a super accurate guy for any sort of true WCO.
I like _salary_cap’s_ suggestion of Kellen Moore because of the incredible accuracy the kid has.
Smith can be accurate
but he usually needs ideal or close to ideal circumstances to be consistently accurate. He also doesn’t have the makeup to make tough reads and throw good balls into tight spaces and anticpate routes opening up in the secondary or the middle of the field.
Well , i disagree after all he had Luck and ran the same type of power Run T.E. friendly system ...!!
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Sure in the hell would help if the WR's could get open a bit more.
Evident in this game on how many times the announcers pointed out the Niners WR’s being blanketed.
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I think it has a lot to do with what the coaches trust Smith to do, some of the routes were plain horrible.
They were’nt gonna get open unless it was a zone.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Good WR's get open no matter what the route was.
You tell Jerry Rice to run a slant or an out route, he’s gonna find a way to get open.
Smith was having to go through 4 progressions in most cases today. And fortunately, the line played halfway decent today too.
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Wasn't good or bad.
He managed the game just fine. Wide receivers weren’t helping as much as they could today. I think that was pretty obvious.
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right: mediocre as always
stats don’t tell the whole picture, but they reek of mediocrity: 14-26 171 yards, team goes 3-14 on 3rd downs. These numbers are the norm for him.
I really don't care how he does it
Just as long as he does.
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Yep. I don't give a shit how they win.
A Niners win makes me happy.
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but if the niners start losing games,
Smith becomes a problem even though he’s the same QB putting up the same production? This is more obnoxiuos than 30,000 Seahawk fans cheering for an injured player.
If they start losing and he is the same
doesn’t that point to something ELSE being the problem, and not him?
LOL. Power trip.
do you think Bellicheck is
saying to himself: “Since Brady is awesome, I’m totally okay and content with having a mediocre defense”?
complaining about a 12-3 season
is even more obnoxious
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
have never complained about the niners record this season
as I"ve said, I think its inflated, so I’m flagrantly pleased with it.
of course not,
but A Smith, which funnily enough Kerr just conceded, is mediocre…and he’s okay with that right now at 12-3…but when the niners start losing then its fair game I guess.
I didn't conceded that. Youre twisting.
He was THIS game. And he was not getting much help from his pals outside of VD.
Get it right
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And VD wasn't much help
He had what, two or three dropped passes?
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
I'd say if either Vernon or Crabtree hadn't dropped a bomb
Alex’s statline looks a lot better.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
But it's just stats, it doesn't matter.
I seen Brees win with 3 picks, so does that mean I want to see Smith throw 3 picks? HELL NO…
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Well he didn't.
So don’t worry, be happy.
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They ran a lot of come back routes, it was pretty predictable at times.
There isn’t a ton over the middle, and that is what is happening with majority of the league. The Niner’s aren’t doing it. I really think the play calling is holding Smith back more than Smith’s inconsistencies.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Could be.
Play calling was at times questionable. But still don’t think that excuses guys like Braylon Edwards for lolly gaggin
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I knew it could happen.
He’s playing for the last contract of his career and he want’s a big one. He’s frustrated, while it isn’t an excuse I know WHY he IS doing it.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
That’s why his arse was in street clothes last week. Wrong attitude to have. He should be trying to ball out to get paid so he can give out more scholarships n stuff like that.
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Oh please I have watched Jerry not be able to get open.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
vs Deion, but this is the GOAT, we're talking about.
Plenty of WR’s that don’t have a burner opening things up, have this problem. Teams knowing Smith’s weaknesses make it hard to open things up. Teams are daring him to hit them on the sideline.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
And he has been much more in the past few games.
But he’s not gonna throw it when the WR is wearing the DB like your grandma’s favorite poncho
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They didn't drop an Int. Be realistic
Earl Thomas made a hell of a play to get 1 hand on it. It would have been a spectacular catch
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
That's a guy who has made some pretty spectacular catches, to be fair.
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That's fair too... But even for him it would be the type of catch that puts him in the top 3 on sportscenter
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
I definitely agree. Remember, my argument is that it was smart to take the three.
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I actually agreed with that. Did not agree with the 3 running plays immediately after hitting the 41 yarder
That was horrible play calling. We’d have been much better off running play-action then running play then a screen pass. We just basically said – “Hey we’re in range now… let’s just accept a FG right here!”
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm definitely not pleased with the play calling overall.
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MRob should definitely be fined by the NFL for the hit on Kyle Williams
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He should be suspended for an entire season. I can honestly say I can't off the top of my head having ever seen a dirtier more intentional cheap shot
in the NFL. Todd Bertuzzi on Steve Moore and Marty McSorley on Donald Brashear are the only sports plays that I can think of with more intent to injure. Both of those incidents resulted in criminal charges and season long suspensions.
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by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Figured as much.
Effin Cheap shot… hope half of Robinson’s salary is taken from him.
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He should be fined, as per the NFL rules ... but it should only be the minimum for that offense.
Come on, we all know that Robinson isn’t a dirty player. Whether it be a physical mistake or a lapse of judgement, Robinson didn’t want to hurt Williams there. Or at least, it’s not something he’s likely to do again. He’ll get the minimum and I’ll be surprised if he ever gets another.
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The LB actually gave him the worst of it.
Either way, both should get the fine.
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Honestly
I don’t think most NFL players are even aware of that rule outside of a QB sliding. At least until the Victor Cruz fiasco earlier this year.
I can understand why both players hit him, even if it is very unfortunate for KW.
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I was talking about fining him as per helmet-to-helmet rules, not the surrendering player rule.
But I daresay there was a lot of news two seasons ago (maybe three) about surrendering players and everyone, especially a veteran like Robinson, does in fact know of said rule.
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Gotcha
I mean, on all the replays it looks just despicable. I think it looks bad enough in real time, but it looks much less cheap.
I completely agree with you, but I was just trying to make sense of it.
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I actually think the guy who kneed Delanie should get a high fine and possibly suspended.
That knee to the head was done with purpose. He went out of his way to hit him.
I don't think I'm comfortable saying he did it with purpose, but it certainly looked weird.
in other words, if I was on a jury, I wouldn’t convict the guy based on the hunch that he meant to, but I wouldn’t hate him being fined for recklessness, at the most.
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He should be suspended for the duration of next season.
That was on par with Bertuzzi/Steve Moore where Bertuzzi broke his neck
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
No worries Kyle has a couple weeks to recover assuming we beat the Rams
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More bullets
Niners clinch winning road record.
Niners clinch winning division record.
Niners sweep Seattle for first time since 2002.
Niners eliminate Seahawks from playoff contention, a super sweet occurrence. Vengeance for the game we gave away there in 2009.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Your third point
is why I don’t get people saying that they’re disappointed in the close game. The Seahawks may not have a great tradition, but the 49ers haven’t had one for a long time, and it’s a division rival which means you never count them out.
Though I'd loved to have won 24-10...
These last few weeks are sharpening the Niners for the playoffs. They will not play a better defense in the NFC playoffs than they’ve played the last two weeks. They will not play in a more difficult venue than Seattle. These last three games we’ve gotten the best efforts out of our opponents who had much to play for, including AZ treating it as their SB in trying to end their losing streak to us.
This is what happens when you’re a top team. Look at NE struggle today. Or Baltimore. Division foes know you best and want to beat you most. We just deflated Seattle’s balloon for the season while moving within one step of clinching a bye week. It’ll come in handy next season when we go there again. This is awesome.
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This about summed it up of the day the refs were having....
Garbage penalty on that second Kyle Williams return. Blake Costanzo did not block anyone in the back. Seriously, what the hell? Even worse than that: cornerback Tarell Brown being physically thrown to the ground, and then getting called for pass interference.
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I'm not sure if these calls reflect awful officiating
Or if our team (and division) just has no respect. Those two calls, the lack of illegal contact from the Seattle DBs, then looking back at the phantom offisdes vs Dallas that cost us a TD, and the Baltimore game… I guess the crews still suck it’s just that tour guys haven’t been as important the past few years.
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that's a very unprofessional way of reasoning for a "professional" sport
I mean this is the pinnacle of football. just because 49ers or nfcw hasn’t been relevant for sometime doesn’t mean that the refs shouldn’t do their jobs to the utmost standard.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting statistic
Alex Smith has now tied Joe Montana for most 4th quarter come from behind wins in a single season.
4 on the road
And yes, I agree with you about the comeback. Judging it based on entering the 4th quarter behind is far too vague since that’s practically an eternity in the NFL.
12th man sucked
I can only remember one false start. Then the cheering when Kyle Williams went down. They got some nerve calling anybody classless
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Worth mentioning
Our OL gave up 2 sacks IIRC and had 1 false start. These last two games have been a pride check and they’ve come through.
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May have been their best road game of the year
offense managed to suck in spite of it!
by whistlingmountain on Dec 24, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
It was plenty loud in their trust me. Props to your OL for holding their water.
Again not cheering when Williams went down because we thought he was hurt. We thought the Hawks had recovered a fumble/there was no replay in the stadium. There was also applause when he got up and walked off on his own.
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Unless your name is Ed Reed, it's unacceptable to be a free safety and be a poor tackler.
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Amen
And I don’t think that Reed is that bad a tackler. Being able to lay a massive hit is not a pre-requisite for a free safety.
No, certainly not terrible, but I’ve seen him run into guys and slide down them cartoon style more than a few times, and I don’t watch every BAL game, you know?
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well there is also Polumalu....
aka “the human missile”
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
He's a SS and a whole different story! Remember, the FS, above all else, is supposed to stop a big gain.
SS’s are used differently everywhere.
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no they are not, in Pittsburgh Defensive scheme..
not only has he been used everywhere as you say but he has also been the “last line” of defense
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
I don't quite get what you are saying.
I’m saying that FS is generally the last line of defense, for (number straight out of my ass) 85% of teams in history. I was saying that Polamalu is a SS, so we aren’t talking about him, and also that he’s totally different because he does everything because he’s so good (including last line of defense).
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Never said he wasn't a SS
just commenting on the tackling aspect of things. Hence me saying the “human missle”. Because their are times that guy is the last line of defense and just gives his whole body up in tackling someone with no repercussions for his or the other persons sake. Almost to the the point of it looking like “sphereing” someone. ala the play that he made on Frank Gore on MNF where he was used as the FS an before the snap recognized the play, ran up almost 15yds of the ball & made the play in the hole without wrapping up Frank. Just talking about tackling that all!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
My only point is that we were talking about free safeties, my man.
All good.
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regardless of position,
Polumalu shows great discernment when going for a big hit. Goldson, not so much.
by itsAteamGAME on Dec 25, 2011 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
I actually talked to Pittsburgs scout at Auburn university a few years ago
Their safety positions are interchangable. He’s both FS/SS
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
You shut your whore mouth.
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RIP
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dude has freakish catching ability too
only person I’ve seen catch a ball one handed while not even looking at it.
I knew as soon as I saw Ron Winter's name
The reffing was going to be suspect. There’s only a couple of referees I even trust to have a decent game. Even then it is like a 50/50 shot.
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It's getting to be like the NBA
You know too well what you’re getting based on who the ref is.
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Im good with Goldson , yay he misses some tackles , but what Safety or Db doesn't , he makes Wr's think twice being back there ...!!
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That's your opion , was talking about going over the middle and the big hits he makes ...!!
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Yeah he misses ...!!
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The funniest thing about people complaining about the 49ers not going to the air before that field goal ...
… is the fact that Gore got to what, the one-yard line if not for a penalty? Half a yard more and we’d be praising the 49ers for sticking to what’s working, and what got them a touchdown last week.
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No
Some of these same people would still be complaining regardless.
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the niners would have probably kicked
it anyways at the 1 yard line!!!! Don’t know why Carrol accepted the penalty to give the Niners a shot (if they were smart) at the endzone when you gotta figure Harbaugh is kicking it on 4th and goal at the 1 yard line
It was the play after the penalty we were complaining about
3rd and 13 on the goalline and they run a draw?
Worried about reciever positions and how it bodes us for the playoffs.
Kyle Williams and Delanie Walker’s injuries could come to the Niners demise in the playoffs. Right now, they’re very thin at the receiver position (WR & TE).
Right now, we’d only have Crabtree, Swain, Davis, and (maybe) Edwards as healthy. But Edwards has been a non-factor. That leaves only 3 fully healthy recievers, and we’d haven’t even really seen Swain at all, so it’d only leave Crabs and Vernon as the main guys.
Ginn is gimpy with that ankle, but he should be fine when the playoffs come.
Braylon’s got to step it up with these injuries at the receiving positions.
by sj_sharkie12boy on Dec 24, 2011 6:27 PM PST reply actions
Brett Swain!!
Uh…right guys?
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big time hurting
between the injuries and the wasted roster spot with Braylon Edwards it couldn’t be any thinner. No deep threat.
I now understand why they wanted to sign Plexico.
"It's impossible to hide the fire inside" - Bob Seger
Eh
I’m not writing Edwards off yet. We’re paying him essentially veteran minimum and he can still make a great catch
I could cover him
he simply cannot run. period.
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and when might he do that?
He can’t uncover. Have you watched him away from the ball?
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he hasn't done jack for 2 months
in fairness I think he’s hurt because he was OK for a couple of games early and then got hurt. He’s just not the same guy he was before the knee. There’s a reason that so called healthy players get deactivated.
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The problem is that it's easier to justify
A 1 million salary than it is a roster spot.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
What wide receiver could we replace him with right now
or even half way through the season that would have been better for that price?
We’re paying him bare veteran minimum, and that’s the production we’re getting him. It’s not like he’s putting up Brandon Jones numbers on a $4 million per year contract
Now? Nobody
At the beginning of the season? I can’t take a time machine to see who was available and who wasn’t, but I’m sure we could have made a better gamble.
That’s the problem when you have an entire offense full of projects, “could be’s”, “waiting to be’s”, and underachievers. You have to have a majority of them pan out to be even mediocre.
And we aren’t.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
There really wasn't anybody at the beginning of the season
and at that point we had what we thought was a pretty solid roster.
If Josh Morgan doesn’t get hurt and put on IR we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation because Edwards would simply be irrelevant.
MICHEAL CRABTREE...
it’s his year. Alex needs to just keep feeding that boy.
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err......*MICHAEL
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
This is very true. With Williams likely out next week still, we have Crabs, Braylon, Swain…don’t know what Ginn’s status will be.
We won’t even have Delanie to fill in as a WR. Vernon can play a little WR if Peelle is in at TE in a one TE set, still very very thin. Maybe a little Hunter? But he may have some more return responsibilities too, especially kickoffs.
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At worst Kyle has a concussion right?
He needs to suck it up old school style and get out there.
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
Would think Ginn and Qilliams will be fine come playoff time , Delanie , dang don;t know ...!!
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Williams ...!!
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Dunno ...!!
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Screw the seachickens
No playoffs just like the cardinals. Merry Xmas you filthy animals
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Nice.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 24, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
We know how you've felt every year since '02 now. Merry Christmas.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
by kelly20210 on Dec 25, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But you’ll likely never know how we felt the many years prior to ’02. Happy New Year.
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Well that depends on if you were born prior to 1990 or not.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
Noted: But how many memories do you have from when you were four?
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
That was my age during SB XVI
I happily recall that.
I’ll also add that history does change based on one’s memory of it.
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That's partially true, but don't you think it is a little lame to use it as ammo
to talk trash decades later. I mean let’s face it, until this season the Niner’s were an irrelevant franchise for a decade. The Seahawks have owned the division since realignment and I think the future is brighter for plenty of reasons. To us, it’s like, welcome back, finally. I’m glad you guys will be decent to good for the next few years so when we win the division we won’t be told how easy it was constantly.
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I expect us to be good to great
With perhaps a run of dominance. I will gladly see Seattle and/or Arizona being decent to good, perhaps making a few Wild Card games and pulling out an occasional win. Beating you guys in the playoffs would feel even better than the regular season.
I’m not sure that owning the 2004-2010 NFC West is worth bragging about. Didn’t the division winner in that time break 10 wins only once, with little competition?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I'm not bragging about it. Although I don't see why you'd mind if I did.
I’m saying you haven’t been relevant for a while, we never played you way back then and since we started meeting regularly you have been atrocious until literally right now. Also my honest opinion this 49ers team is basically the ’09 Jets. A great defense and running game at their peak but will probably decline quickly and not win a super bowl because of the quarterback play.
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I would just suggest to the entire NN fanbase...
Just ignore salary_cap… he’s not here to talk football.
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by Drew Kerr on Dec 24, 2011 6:31 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Here Likewise
1 more @ St. Louis & that’s a 1st round bye~or perhaps Atlanta can help us out on Monday by winning @ NO??
by Doni S on Dec 24, 2011 6:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
so I suppose I won't get warnings
or banned If I suddenly feel like incessantly insulting someone, right Brady? Unless there is some sort of double standard?
by salary_cap on Dec 24, 2011 6:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't know, I can't warn you.
I told Drew to cool it twice now and have made sure a moderator is aware of what is going on. I think he needs to calm down. I have warned you for nothing and have spoken to you as a fellow fan and nothing more. What double standard could exist when I’ve spoken to you only about what has happened in the football game?
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It's a week in and week out thing and either way I'm flat out sick of it.
I don’t like looking at and frankly it’s really quite pathetic.
I almost hate coming here because of this dude on game day… and I GUARANTEE I do not stand alone on that.
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I'm just curious
as to why certain people are allowed to come in day in and day out and say nothing good about the team at all, but when other regulars call them out they get chewed out. I’m thinking of not only this particular incident, but also Rocky123456699 or whatever his moniker is.
not that it bothers me
but I think it’s because personal insults are not permitted, while criticism and disagreements are.
So that gives you free reign to come in here and talk all the trash you want about the team?
I think there needs to be some sort of line on that, personally.
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I disagree that that is what I'm doing
That you are so concerned with what I’m saying is mildly flattering, but mostly inconsequential.
How do you feel that is NOT what you are doing? Can you point me in the direction where you have EVER said one positive thing about a 12-3 49ers team???
When you say 99.999999% negative things about the team… and a debatable .0000001% of “positive” things… how is that considered offering up an “objective” view?
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I'm fine with criticism
it just seems as if you never recognize the good and only focus on the negative. At least you’re willing to stick around after game threads unlike Rocky
No... he doesn't show up till after the game to talk his stuff.
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Sticking around in my mind would insinuate that he was here throughout the game.
He just shows up afterwards and picks apart every single incomplete pass, or short run… or turnovers (if they happen).
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yeah but I haven't been around for most of the season either
I do get what you’re saying. I’m just saying that at least he’s willing to discuss it unlike Rocky who only ever came in to say “Vic Fangio sucks!!!” Greg Roman is a pansy!!! Alex Smith should be shot!!, etc.
Yeah, that guy was at least funny... he never offered up delusional reasons.
He just trolled with one liners…
This dude provides humongous and elaborate delusional reasons on why this team sucks. To me, I can deal with the short one liner hits.
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Enjoyment?
You mean like when Marshawn Lynch broke 100 yards and scored a touchdown that should not have counted because his arm was out of bounds before he crossed the plain?
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I got some enjoyment from that
Lynch is on my FF team. I got to have my cake and eat it too — Lynch bonused with 100 yards and a TD, and the Niners won in part to their DST that I own also.
I actually agree with this
it’s one of the reasons I stopped coming by on game day threads. Plus it’s bad for my blood pressure
by smileyman on Dec 24, 2011 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well for Rocky, I have to say, reading his idiocy is absolutely hilarious.
Regarding this guy, I’m not really sure. I’d have warned him by now if I were in charge, but I think, once again, it’s kind of a “cooler heads prevail” kind of thing. I didn’t tell Drew to cool it because he called him out, I told Drew to call it because he was directly insulting someone. Drew knows it, I know it, you know it.
Frankly, if you all want to band around and reject him, ignore him, and do your best to make him silly, be my guest. It’s just clearly wrong to have Drew call him names directly
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SBNation is missing an ignore feature…Many of us don’t have the self control apparently (myself placed squarely in the middle of said group).
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That would be fantastic.
All in for the “ignore” button.
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I sent you an email, by the way. To a Yahoo email, not sure if it’s the one you use anymore.
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I think the biggest issue right now with an ignore feature is the platform’s auto-refresh and tiered comments. I’m not saying it’s impossible to fix, but it’s something that might actually be better for everyone if they just move on. You know? I will say that I believe SB Nation has been looking into it for some time. The network is progressing so unbelievably fast it’s hard to tell what’s getting looked at.
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yeah I think the ignore button would screw up the auto refresh
however the SBNation system is built on the same system as was used over at Daily Kos (before they changed it) and “power users” and the option of downvoting.
Yea I understand.
I’m just thinking of various forums I participate in (for a number of other interests) and ignore lists are quite useful. The comment system here is quite a bit different from a technical standpoint.
I complete concede we should be able to get by just fine without it…
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I think it's sad
that people can allow an internet site where people post about their own sports team to affect them to the point of looking to kick them out, ignore them, etc. Sounds like a bunch of childish whinny girly bs to me. Grow up people.
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
I’m inclined to agree.
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by James Brady on Dec 24, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
With the way Edwards played today...if Kyle Williams is out for too long
I think we might have to sign another WR to the team.
Who is still out there?
Greg Lewis?
Finneran?
Stokley?
I hate to bring up that guy with the name that rhymes with Barrel Hogans…
It’s funny because that doesn’t really rhyme with it at all.
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Dang , took me a while ... T. O . you mean ... !!
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What about this guy?
(Admittedly, this is my way getting some attention before I start writing for the basketball season…)
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Right – he’s on the Texans
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Sorry
I meant earlier. When they signed Clemons instead.
They signed Garcia like two weeks later.
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and yeah Garcia should've been called then too
and the Raiders should’ve called him rather than give up 2 firsts for Carson
ring,ring.......hey this is coach harbaugh
RM: this is randy how can i help you
JH: wanna come catch some tds
RM: sounds good
im not saying, im just saying!
can't fully rule it out but hard to see Baalke making that call
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
I have the same dream
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by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
I've had the dream about the 49ers winning the Super Bowl at least three nights a week for the past five weeks.
Like, as in realistic scenarios. Every time it’s a defensive player getting the MVP, mostly due to turnovers.
Though one time I had a dream that Harbaugh and the 49ers went to the Super Bowl, and then they started training for it Rocky-style with a montage and everything, but then they lost because they were too busy running up steps and stuff to actually gameplan.
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I've had dreams with Aldon Smith and Patrick Willis as co-MVPs
another one with Justin Smith getting it.
I'm so excited about Aldon Smith!
I must admit when they first drafted him I was like what the junk! I guess that’s why I am fan and not a scout. When he does that twist on and comes on the inside he’s almost unstoppable.
by northwestniner on Dec 24, 2011 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
That would be great!
Though my wife is a die hard Packer fan.. it should be interesting.
by northwestniner on Dec 24, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
I think that we could put lots of pressure on Rodgers
force him to make mistakes. I think that the Packers offensive line is actually very bad
Agreed.
I have also watched a lot of the packers this year and we can run the ball against . Bad line, and weak rush defense. We match up well.
by northwestniner on Dec 24, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
The key to beating the packers is to get to Rodgers and run your offense like Tebow games 3-4
50-60 runs a game. No turnovers. Don’t let their playmaker corners shift momentum.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
I would agree with that
Run the ball down their throat, control the clock, keep the ball out of their hands, and pressuring Rogers will be crucial.
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
It is now. No Clifton, No Bulaga, No Sherrod
I think Sitton is nicked up too
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
It happens!
For me in Madden 12 its always Frank Gore who get it.
by northwestniner on Dec 24, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Playoff schedule
Does anyone know if we clinch the #2 seed, if that game is on Jan 14 ( Sat ) or Jan 15 ( Sun ). I am assuming that its on the Saturday as i looked all over google. I need to know what day to take off =]
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NFL won't release until all four top seeds are set
Stadium availability, which network gets the late Sunday game versus the Saturday night game, number of west coast teams (just us) all play a part. Niners will either play 1:15 on Sunday or either time Saturday. I think they sometimes base it on which days the WC teams play assuming that if the home team wins they’ll p lay the same day on the road the following week.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Red Zone situations
The Niners should use the back-shoulder throw more in the Red Zone. Defenders can’t defend that throw without getting a Pass Interference call anyways. QB just needs to lay it at the perfect spot. Quickly.
We’ve seen them try to use it once or twice to Edwards, but not anyone else. Looks at Michael Crabtree
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
One or two versus Kellen Moore and that banged up Rams Oline?
Piece of cake.
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yeah
I think he gets 3 against the Rams. I think that Fangio will scheme the defensive linemen to give Aldon every chance
NFL.com seemed to have updated the status of the 9ers playoff seeding
Guess we’re back to keeping “hopes of getting the No. 2 seed alive”
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I thought that we held the tie breaker?
by northwestniner on Dec 24, 2011 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
What Jaxson said
if the Saints lose tomorrow we’ve got the #2. If they win and we beat the Rams next week’ weve’ got the #2
If it weren't for Forte being out...
I don’t think we’d be out of the running for #1 right now.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
Also...with Von Miller only getting 1 tackle this week
It’s time to start talking about Aldon Smith catching up to him for DROY.
Aldon already has more sacks
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by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
You really think so?
Von Miller was considered a candidate for D player of the year before his injury.
He still has twice as many tackles as Aldon, only 1.5 less sacks.
I don’t understand why you think he is “long passed” Von Miller.
rookie sack record
is far more imporessive than a bunch of tackles. Especially since Aldon Smith has the possibility of completely shattering that record based on the competition that’s left.
Also
he had a huge performance on Monday Night Football in a game that millions of people saw that hadn’t seen him play all year and they got to hear Gruden gush all over him (of course Gruden gushes over everybody, but this was different)
Alright man.
I’m just trying to play devils advocate here.
You also have to look at the fact that Von Miller is an every down LB and Aldon Smith didn’t start playing every down until late in the season.
I still feel like it’s a close race, especially if Von gets a sack or two in week 17
I think the every down part goes both ways.
Isn’t it more impressive the sack numbers Aldon has put up in considerably less snaps?
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No.
Because he is only being put in situations where it is a passing down and he should be going for the QB.
Voters will see that as an one dimensional LB while Von Miller plays every down and has to stop the run as well as the pass.
I really can’t be negative anymore guys. Go Niners. Go Aldon!
except he's not only going in on passing downs
and besides the majority of the premiere pass rushers in the league are situational guys
If he is not going in on primary passing downs
then the number of tackles and assists he has comes into question.
In my mind the fact that Aldon isn't an every down guy
makes it even more impressive and puts him in the edge
The MNF game
Helped his cause more than any other. Performing on national TV vs a top team is more important to getting pro bowl and award votes that being solid all season.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Sorry for not being here today guys!
Missed out on the niner game on television (probably a first time all season long) and I heard our record for NO rushing TDS and 100 yds rushers got broken?? Anyways Merry Christmas everyone! I do realize there seems to be no holiday spirit here.
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
yup
Lynch got 101 yards on the ground and a TD. Aldon Smith came within .5 a sack of the rookie record
really? jeez that sucks to the SEAGULLS??
And to have Marshawn Lynch + Pete Carroll’s team ruin our record like that…
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Yes.. but the win was awesome.
Plus he scored because of a block punt. We also didn’t have Patrick Willis.
by northwestniner on Dec 24, 2011 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
Not the TD, I was considering the 100 yard game.
I could be wrong. Just my opinion.
by northwestniner on Dec 24, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
I think that Bowman and Grant did a great job
if anything the 100 yard game can go on the defensive line. They’re the first line of defense and in a 3/4 they’re supposed to dominate the line and keep the offensive linemen from going to the second level.
They played well..
I guess I just think that Patrick Willis is an unstoppable force that eats skittle loving beasts for breakfast.. that’s all.
by northwestniner on Dec 24, 2011 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
They looked sluggish all first half. The short week a likely reason. They held Lynch to around 25 yards in the 2nd half. Also, anyone notice Carroll run Lynch to start their attempted game winning drive? They should be passing but he wanted to make sure Lynch had the 100. Fine by me. He got his 100, we got the win.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I do!
I think Grant has filled in admirably, but he is no Willis. Lynch would have been stuffed in the backfield multiple times including the TD if Willis was out there. No doubt in my mind about it. Grant also gets caught up in a lot of blocks which Willis wouldn’t and doesn’t.
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
by jonesin25 on Dec 24, 2011 11:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It;s all good , because the Niners just gave them more time with their familys when the play-offs start ...!!
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It's Lynch
He’s one powerful runner. I think he’s the most powerful runner this defense has seen. Also the blocked punt didn’t help
I really hope the Saints lose
Then I can see Kaep play a whole NFL game, see where he’s at
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Wouldn't matter , the O needs to get things worked out , you'll see Kaep next pre-season and thats about it ...!!
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They can do it in practice
They are not doing it against one of the worst defenses in the NFL The Rams got beat down today by the second string quarterback
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by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
You don't do it before the biggest play-off game this franshise has seen in years , not going to happen ...!!
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Saw some posts about bring Randy Moss as a WR filler....
Now I can’t fully rule it out but I highly doubt it! He’s not a great compliment WR for a WCO system. He doesn’t run block downfield. He rarely runs crossing routes. Buuuut he does know how to go deep. Think Harb’s/Baalke is looking more than a WR to go deep about 5-8 times a game. Heck even Ted Gin was learning to run block & do crossing routes this season before he got hurt.
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The biggest caveat to bringing Randy Moss in will have nothing to do with the actual on-the-field product.
Whether he’d make catches or not, this is one locker room that doesn’t need any part of his shenanigans.
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yep and there is that aspect....
so on that note would you bring in TO? Cause we all know he loves him some TO….
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
I actually feel like TO would be less destructive to our locker room at this point than Moss, who literally doesn't have a single damn to give about anything
TO at least wants to win, ya know? But no, I wouldn’t bring either of them in.
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Yea I rather look for a WR off greenbays practice squad again
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
Antionio Bryant, Chris Chambers, Laveranues Coles, Justin Gage, Brandon Stokley … dunno if those guys are all available, but they’re there for bodies.
…DOMINIQUE ZEIGLER
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ZIGGY!!!
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Bingo ....…DOMINIQUE ZEIGLER ...!!
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BRING HIM BACK
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by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
Zigs may be an option.
We’ll have to wait and see wussup with Williams and Ginn.
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All bias aside, I think he really would be the best option.
He was making an awful lot of third-down catches before injuries once again hampered him.
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Last season, right?
Or preseason this year?
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Personally
I would rather have him than Braylon at this point.
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Both, really. It’s all kind of blending in for me. Ziggy didn’t make a ton of catches, but he was the best route runner and always fought to make the tough catch. We can’t say that for Edwards.
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Yeah, Edwards is as good as gone I think after this year.
I am wondering if they’re gonna give that Bogan kid a shot when he heals up again. He looked real promising. Almost Terrell Owens like.
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forgot about ziggy..
wonder how much in shape he is now because don’t think one picked him up….
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Niners have Two players on the Practice Squad they could bring up for Wr ....
Hastings and Matthews …!!
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So...
The 9ers don’t have any WRs to bring up.
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I thought we were high on one of those players
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by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Huh , do you know these guys , because Harbaugh has them there for a reason ...!!
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weren't they with the 49ers during preseason??
I’m sure they must know the playbook well by now…
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Yup , like whats been stated , Next Man Up ...!!
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Haha
No I don’t know them, aside from Joe Hastings being with us since the beginning of the season and being listed at 6’0" and coming from a DII school nicknamed the Ichabods…come on? Washburn University.
But yea it was mostly a joke.
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Right , we all know what you know , which ain't much ... Go Fangio ...!!
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I rather activate one of these guys for St. Louis...
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
They will nab some guy off someone else's practice squad prolly.
Unless Williams’ injury is not too bad. But Ginn may be back anyway.
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That is the big thing, for return purposes too. I would be fine with Hunter returning kicks, but I don’t know about punts.
Crabs, Braylon, Swain…not real solid, even against the Rams.
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Culliver could be a possibility for punt returns
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 24, 2011 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Ah yes
Forgot about that…Anyone but Arnaz Battle basically.
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Hopefully the Falcons can pull off the win
and all of this won’t really matter because the #2 seed would be ours regardless
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 24, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. Plenty of time for everyone to get healthy if that happens.
Falcons win would be HUGE!
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just put Kaep at WR for the last game
he’s got speed and he’s tall lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 24, 2011 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Nice ...!!
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Yeah.
Ponder and Peterson out. Webb and Gerhart in.
How about Webb pulling off the comeback. Imagine how their season may have looked had they started him all year.
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5 passes all day hate to say it looked like a qb up in denver..
but at least he has some fundermentals to work with throwing the football. Eventhough don’t know how well he can read a defense.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
Still an upgrade over the other guy.
He scrambled for a game-winning TD basically. He’s more accurate than Ponder on passes too… he was also responsible for one of their other wins this year.
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oh yea...
he is a freakish talent for a QB. Still remember when we played them in preseason last year & he was given our D the buisness, eventhough 2-3 stringers!! But still plus saw a game were Minn actually used him as a WR with Ponder throwing to him in the game.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
Everyone always clamoring for Josh Johnson and stuff
But I would much rather have Joe Webb… guy has all kinds of ceiling.
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Wasn't the Johnson talk mostly to get Harbaugh a guy that he had before and worked with?
LOL. Power trip.
Yeah, but I also think a lot had to do with his potential and what he'd shown
in his limited time in Tampa Bay.
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I think it had more to do with people not understanding the jump in competition between II-A and the NFL
And looking at Josh Johnson’s 43 TD’s to 1 Int season
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
It looked a helluva lot worse than that
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I mostly lurk on this site but something I notice is that this forum really doesn't tolerate criticism of the niners very well
its weird because the Sbn blog I most frequent mccoveychronicles is almost all complaining all the time. even when we won the world series. some people are just pessimists and that shouldn’t be a big enough deal to start personal arguements on a weekly basis
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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by operation carrot on Dec 24, 2011 7:52 PM PST via Android app reply actions
MCC is much more cynical
I think it’s because we’re REALLY smart about baseball. MCC is the most knowledgeable blog for any sports team I’ve ever seen.
I'm just a simple Giants fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 24, 2011 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
everyone who posts in MCC are the smartest people in the world.
Should hire us as a collective GM and fire Sabean.
It's not necessarily that being pessimistic is something we can't deal with.
There’s just a couple of people who are down on the 49ers legitimately in every way, and will argue points that don’t make sense to support them. There’s a couple people who do it for trolling and nothing more and it’s very clear. There are some noted pessimists who are not necessarily liked by everyone, but most certainly don’t have a problem with them.
Of course, I won’t be naming any names. Suffice to say we dislike it when it’s trolling, and it’s generally pretty easy to spot a troll.
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I agree
these homers who make arguments to prop up their team/players in light of their homerism with reasons that make no sense, by standards of football and logic, are really obnoxious…
Some people want to enter a blog site for affirmation of their homerisms and take it personally and can’t live in a world where he has the choice to engage or ignore.
Sure.
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and some people enter a blot site to trash one player regardless of how he plays
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
I enter cause I like to converse about football and the Niners
I just happen to disagree with most people most of the time. I give you reasons why. You can just disagree, engage or ignore. Some poeple choose to get butt hurt
If you were at a Niners bar sharing "your views" you'd probably get punched in the face.
I’d bet a large chunk of change on that.
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they'd probably be
mature enough to have a civil conversation and tolerate disagreement without becoming a douche bag.
Doubt it.
You saw the Niners/Raiders game.
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You would piss off the wrong guy and then be making an appointment for dental work the next day.
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you don't like to converse, you like to talk trash on alex smith and complain
When people try to converse with you, you will just ignore questions or points when you don’t like them. If you actually wanted to have a real discussion, I wouldn’t have a problem with you. But you don’t.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
what
I don’t have a problem with conceding points or admitting I’m wrong. I’m wrong a lot. Sometimes points that are brought up don’t carry much weight though, and that could go in reverse too on my part. And sometimes when two people have such divergent opinions based on different priorities/pretenses/presumptions/knolwedge a converstion won’t get very far, and that’s not the end of the world.
Except....
You’ve NEVER conceded a single point on this blog. So you, in your own mind, are correct 110% of the time?
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Naw… I have a girlfriend Mike… sorry to disappoint you.
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You be derpin' in the passenger's seat
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Now, by girlfriend, do you mean that piece of rabbit fur you rub on your junk every night?
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Yes. But it must go in the microwave for exactly 30 seconds first.
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I see you're trying to steal him from Drew
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Ooo
That was ALMOST clever… but it wasn’t.
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I asked you a question 3 times in a previous thread
each time you blew it off because you had no response to it
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
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I love you, Andrew9erfan. You get a gold star.
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kinda assumed that was what you were refering to
given your sig
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
The greatest book in the history of books?
Of course.
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I believe you were claiming that smith was always going with his first read
but provided no evidence of how you could know which was the first read
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Oh
him staring at a WR the moment he snaps the ball, staring him down, and delivering the ball to him. I guess that’s not hard “evidence” but it’s damning anecdotal evidence.
a lot of the time though, he could be looking at the reciever he throws to first
or he could also be seeing the receiver who’s behind him as well.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
Sure
he doesn’t “scan” the field, and sometimes doesn’t even scan one side of the field. It’s easy to tell, but he doesn’t do it all the time. When he gets sacked, it’s usually cause his 1st and sometimes 2nd read on the one side he’s fixated are not available for whatever reason and doesn’t progress quickly enough elsewhere to stay in the play.
see, was that so hard? :-p
I actually don’t have a problem with you disagreeing. It’s just that sometimes you really don’t explain your position.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
you also made a claim that smith had a bad game because of two bad passes
then later didn’t admit that you said it
i could he hash Alex’s good throws, but unfortunatley it that is dwarfed by both his bad throws
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
I remember that one
it was an incomplete sentence. I don’t think he has a bad game on the basis of two throws, but his bad throws tend to dwarf the decent ones he makes because he doesn’t make a whole lot of big plays. Part of that is on the coaches, but part of that is because the coaches don’t want to hand Smith the keys to anything.
but part of that is because the coaches don’t want to hand Smith the keys to anything.
And he knows this because he get’s all the 007 intell on the team… he’s got Harbaugh and Roman on speed dial.
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but you indicated that he had two bad throws in the game
so how can you claim that he had a bad game since he had many more good throws. This was against the steelers I believe.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
You are attempting to reason with the unreasonable.
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He excelled at
those short quick out routes and hitches, but he was forced to make some plays with the running game struggling and propelled us to 6 pts at halftime, and if not for the turnover inside the 5, we’d be sweating out that one too because Smith can’t outscore his FG kicker.
If it weren't for Smith
the FG kicker would not be in position to score at all most of the time.
Team effort…. a concept that escapes you frequently.
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he had seval deep and intermediate passes though
seems like you’re discounting those
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
I haven't been harrassed and
followed like this by anyone other than crazies who had unhealthy obsessions with me
And yet, probably more delusion that those “crazies” were in fact obsessed with you.
You are probably the type that goes to Walmart and the clerk says, “Have a nice day” proceeded by a courteous smile….
And your reaction is, “Oh, they’re in love with me”.
That’s called delusion son.
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Alright ladies, break it up. Seriously.
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Nope.
I am gonna bust your face every time you come around here talkin your garbage
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I have tried to ignore your petty personal repsonses for a time now
just chalking it up to a hyper-sensitive niner fan who is soaked up in his own self-denial about what he knows and doesn’t know, but since mods don’t find it prudent to put a stop to it, there is little point in me going out of my way to avoid your train wreck. I’m game.
That's fine...
I’m not going to back down if that’s what you are thinking or hoping for.
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The fact
that you have stated that twice in this thread is in and of itself a bit concerning and some now may be questioning your hetero credentials
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just like there's nothing wrong with being a pessimist
there’s nothing wrong with being a homer
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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by operation carrot on Dec 24, 2011 8:06 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I have a 6 year old cousin
He was at my house today, when Grant forced that fumble he was upstairs in a different room. He came running downstairs screaming the whole way. By the time he got to the living room where we were at, we had already seen it and were done cheering. He was yelling about how it was Patrick Willis’ friend that made him fumble. He didn’t know Grant’s name, but he knew he was playing for him. Then they showed the shot of Willis standing next to Grant.
Should I have stopped my cousin there and said, hey buddy, I’m glad you’re happy, but I just think you should know the 49ers aren’t as good as their 12-3 record and can’t do much in the playoffs anyway so you shouldn’t be so happy?
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You should have explained how Alex can't throw down the sidelines
and when he pointed out that Alex threw good passes to Vernon 3 times down the sidelines (the best and longest one dropped) and twice to Crabtree (1 also dropped) you should have just ignored him and continued with your point ignoring any potential disruption of that view.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
of course you shouldn't say
that to your 6 year old cousin. He wouldn’t know what the f%$& you were talking about. If there are 6 year olds on this board, please let it be known, and I will readjust accordingly.
That is exactly my point though
Shouldn’t we all act like 6 year olds every once in a while concerning our teams?
I think it is good for a bit of that kind of perspective at times. Literally two seconds after a win you are immediately in with the criticisms (some valid, some not) while other people are still enjoying the W. I think the timing plays a lot more into the hostility than some of the content in your posts.
If a lot of what you said came on a Monday after a win it would be taken more seriously (and if phrased lest aggressively IMO).
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Shouldn’t we all act like 6 year olds every once in a while concerning our teams?
I don’t think so. But you guys are free to do what you like. I don’t sweat the W-L record, especially this late in this season, I have my eye on what matters: the playoffs. We’re in the playoffs, so I couldn’t care less about a lucky, ugly win than I am about how we played, and whether this team fixes what I feel are their gaping holes (most notably play calling; I ahven’t been a fan of Harbugh’s conservative style or the actual play calling and time management) in the playoffs. I would rather test AS and ask him to make plays and accept the consequences of that…we’ll have to eventually, and I’d like it not to be a new experience.
Funny.
At the beginning of the year you were scoffing at the very concept of playoffs, yet, here we are 12-3, one of the best records in the NFL… and now this.
Pretty ridiculous.
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12-3 = Awesome!
Of course we can get better on offense. I believe in Smith. I think if he remains in this system he can be great.
by northwestniner on Dec 24, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
yes
I didn’t see a playoff team. To some extent I’m still amazed that they’ve compiled this record. As I’ve said, I think the record is inflated and has thus led to excessively high expectations without grasping just how flawed this offense is, Smith being the main thing.
but yeah, I didn’t see playoffs before the season or at the beginning. If you kept me ignorant of their record, I’d probably laugh at you when you said they were 10-1 when playing and losing to the Cardinals. I think they are a wild card caliber playoff team that might have the luxury of having a bye.
The most funny part of this statement is the total hypocrisy of it.
You scoffed at the idea of us having this record, right? So is it not possible that this very same team that you scoffed at, and are still, could go all the way?
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The funny part is we've had the hardest traveling schedule in the NFL too
And are still 12-3
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
Next year we'll probably have to play MNF in London or something
and then Thursday for Thanksgiving.
LOL. Power trip.
Lol It will be Pats in London on Monday Night (We're the home team!)
Seahawks in Seattle on Thursday and then Dolphins in Miami for a special edition of Tuesday night football
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
of course they could go all the way
I’ve conceived of some scenarios to which it would most likely happen. I’m not putting $$ on it, but never have I said the niners can’t win the SB. Last year they couldn’t have even if they made the playoffs, but this team could. But for reasons I mentioned already and often, I don’t think they will
You've "conceived of some scenarios"?
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Yet another time you miss the entire point of someone's post
Where did I say we should ignore what needs to be fixed for a playoff run? Where did I say the issues the 49ers have should be ignored?
It is fine if you find no joy in your team’s success, I’d just rather you come out and say it.
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I'm elated with the record
it just makes me uneasy when such record, which is a very dry statistic in illuminating the ‘quality’ of said team, dilutes the discussion to the Niners are great and everything is fine.
And again...
I’m not speaking of the record, I’m not speaking of the playoffs in the slightest.
I’m speaking strictly in the moments following a win or a game clinching play, do you even enjoy it? Even for just a second? Or do you immediately think, oh crap, we still can’t win in the playoffs with Alex Smith and this offense so why bother celebrating this moment at all?
That is what reminded me off my little cousin, because not only was I happy with seeing the 9ers win today, but the way he reacted made it that much better. And the fact that I realized my elation was very similar to a 6 year old, the feeling of your team winning can be a very primal/visceral feeling, it has nothing to do with anything else going on. It is almost frozen in time…regardless of what happens a few weeks from now in the playoffs, that moment isn’t tarnished one bit.
Your attitude seems completely contrary to that at all times regardless of outcome, IMO it is a very sad way to go about things, but that is why I’m asking these questions.
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It does bother me
watching a team as conservative, passive, conservative, hazardly safe, that has a QB and team philosophy that has little upside in my opinion. It does get to me a little bit when I see these glaring flaws because I know where this team stacks up against the “contenders” and I don’t like where we stand.
But I do like to get the W, and I am rooting for Alex Smith to have a career game every Sunday. Maybe the disappointment that follows such a delusional hope seeps into my consciousness .
it has been a conservative offense
but I think some of that has to due with not being able to fully impliment the offense with the shortened offseason, injuries to wide receivers, and yes a superior defense and ST. Look at a team like carolina. They opened their offense up a lot more but turned the ball over a lot. I just don’t see us being where they are now if they hadn’t been somewhat conservative.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
I see
This may be why you have problems around here.
Most people watch sports for the emotion of it, seems you are more interested in the mental/analytically part at all times.
Seems you are somewhat separated from the team when watching games. In that a W/L doesn’t actually affect you emotionally W or L like other people. This is why you are often accused of being ‘less of a fan’ etc etc…
That mental part is the part most here focus on during the week, but during a game or shortly afterwards, it is still more emotional then…Not to say we don’t argue with facts or represent opinions logically (though you’d dispute this), but the initial reactions all have emotion attached.
I’m not trying to play your (or the rest of our) psychologist here, though it does seem that way, haha.
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Calling someone less of a fan, while they are posting about the team at 9pm on Christmas Eve
on the internet…
I mean, cmon now.
Everybody is free to follow the team in whatever manner they want.
LOL. Power trip.
I’m not calling him that. Read my post again.
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There are some glaring mistakes in it, but that part is clear, haha.
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You're a smitholdson troll... but you are not of the worst variety.
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It's Dashon Smith troll dawg, all day e'er' day in this beeyotch!!
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
STOP KIND OF BREAKING SITE DECORUM OR I'LL HAVE YOU ARRESTABANNED
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Time to bring Konrad Reuland & Joe Hastings up from the practice squad. Release Norris, Brock.
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Doubt they bring anyone up this late
Reuland might make his way onto the squad next year though.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 24, 2011 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Oh BTW Parys Haralson....
To me did not have a good game. It seemed had problems “setting the edge” on run plays towards his side. The broken play with TJax, didn’t really recognize who had TD run for Marshawn, first off specialteams finally had a let down…smh, still on that play Haralson again had problems recognizing the play. Then compounded it with been out of place on the play.
Is it time for Aldon to take over as the starter over there??
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eww.....what I'm I writing, got to get off this thing.. suppose to say.
First the broken play with TJax at the goal line, TG for ’Los covering for him. Also the TD run for Marshawn, as the broken play Haralson had problems recognizing the play. Then compounded it with being out of place on the play.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 24, 2011 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
He's always had a problem setting the edge
I’ve seen the Titans and Packers take advantage of him in the past.
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Probably discussed in other topics, but
Williams has to to know the rules better than that. You aren’t down in the NFL until you get touched.
Too much to ask in the heat of the moment, but how cool would it have been if the Niner who recovered the blocked punt got to his feet and instead of trying to run, just backhand flipped the ball out the back of the end zone. “Oh sorry, no gimme rushing TD for you! I’ll take the safety and oh yeah, keep the lead.”
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-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
Two things ...
1. You can surrender yourself, and punishing a surrendered player is not only a penalty, but a serious fine.
2. There was a lot of contact, but it was with his own players. It’s likely that in the brouhaha that Williams figured he was down.
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Williams
Did it look to you like he was surrendering himself, or just didn’t know the rule? I thought the latter.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
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http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
He had very clearly given up on the play.
You can even see on one of the angles where he’s kinda rolling his eyes and looking upwards because he’s pissed he slipped and fell and ended the play.
Then he got trucked from both sides at once.
LOL. Power trip.
Didn't he slam the ball on the ground or slap it between his hands or something? He clearly had given up on the play
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. He was basically just sitting there kneeling down
it was totally obvious, and both guys who hit him got 3 step running starts
LOL. Power trip.
Robinson drilled in him the back/side of the head. That's how Steve Moore got injured to the extent
That people are happy he walks and talks. Williams was lucky not to get paralyzed
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
It was quite clear he was done with the play…so yes, he was surrendering.
Whether he thought he had already been touched, or he was actually giving up is irrelevant. In the eyes of the referees it is the exact same thing. In his own mind, the play is over.
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I'm not saying the referees didn't call it right
I’m saying he didn’t realize he wasn’t down, or else he wouldn’t have moved the ball to the other hand and failed to look for the hit.
And that’s what I’m saying he has to know better. Even if he doesn’t get up and run, he clearly didn’t realize he wasn’t down. It is not relevant to my point whether or not the refs knew it.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
Plus, of course, no whistle
Don’t stop playing until you hear the whistle. Everyone has to know that.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
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http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
You obviously don't know the rule
Any player that is in a defenseless position and surrenders the play is a protected player. The play was over. Nobody is allowed to do anything but touch him down. He was right and they touch a cheap shot that should see an unprecedented suspension. Even at the HS level you know not to dive into a guy that’s sitting on his ass or his knees.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Not my point
Read again.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
Well your point doesn't matter then. Because everybody that's ever played football knows you don't launch yourself at a guy that's on his knees or his ass
No matter what Kyle didn’t have any responsibility to turtle up or do anything but wait to be touched down.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
I didn’t think it was too smart of him to just kneel the way he did giving up on the play. There was a lot of traffic all around him with players still going at it. That is the reason you see the more experienced guys get back up and try to run again. Let the ref blow the play dead, don’t do it yourself.
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
yeah, you're supposed to down him
but not blast a defenseless player.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
If a player thinks he's down, he's down. It's called surrendering, whether a player doesn't want to get hit or makes a mistake.
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It looked to me like he thought he was down by contact, effectively saying the play is over. Which is surrendering by NFL definitions.
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There wasn't anyone near him when he slipped
Looked more like he thought he was down because his knee touched the ground, which are college rules.
That’s why he rolled his eyes and switched the ball. He was mad at himself.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
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he was touched by other players
and I think he just didn’t realize that none of the contact was from a seahawk
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
He knew that he wasn't going to do anything because he was laying on his back and that at that point he's considered defenseless by the rules
Had he leapt to his feet he’s eligible to be blown up but it’s like taking a knee. You can’t blow him up at that point. He knew he was protected. (or that the rules said he was)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
He was touched by at least one 49ers player. He thought he was down, that's as good as surrendering, by the NFL's definition.
It’s a clear violation of the rules. It doesn’t matter why he thought he was down, to be honest.
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Depends what point you're making
Sounds like you’re making the point he shouldn’t have been hit, which I don’t think anyone’s arguing against.
My point is that I expected him to know the rules well enough to know he wasn’t down. How many times have we seen players fall down on their own and then try to get back up or otherwise scramble for yards? Heck, we saw it in this game from other guys. Don’t you expect players to do that instead of surrendering? I see you’re arguing that he may have just been mistaken, but I’m not buying it.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
by achiappanza on Dec 24, 2011 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
But you're completely ignoring the very probable bit - the one where he likely thought he was touched.
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by James Brady on Dec 24, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Safety would have been awesome.
They had 3 points in the bank anyway. And we have a good punter.
I thought he should have tried for the safety as well
but, there’s an outside shot he could have been called for batting or kicking the ball ( which is not always called, see: Steelers, Pittsburgh ) then you’re punting from like the 15 or something after giving up the safety.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 24, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
That's still better
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
oh man, family pulled me away, had to watch 2nd half during dinner
horrible game, but great win, needed it.
Now beat up on the crappy Rams and get the bye rest and host a divisional round playoff game with everybody back and healthy.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 24, 2011 8:18 PM PST reply actions
Release Medieu williams, keep Brock.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Dec 24, 2011 8:18 PM PST reply actions
Mddieu is on a year deal, he's gone
Reggie Smith, Goldson also in contract years.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 24, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Let's play a little holiday Xmas game just to see where everyone is at.
If you had to replace Alex Smith with another QB from another team, and could not use Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rodgers… who would you replace Smith with right now, this season?
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You see...
You are the only one responded because everyone else didn’t fall for the trap I set.
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Stafford is the only one that gets a maybe
And I don’t think he’s durable enough to survive behind our line
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
He's not taller Stafford is listed as 6'2" and Alex is 6'4" - 6'5"
And Alex has put on a lot of weight. He takes shots very well. Stafford gets injured very easily despite his bulk.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Stafford is like 6'6"
just watch him. He’s taller. Maybe he is less durable, but some freak hits to his shoulder doesn’t mean he’s more fragile than others.
LMAO You're not even worth talking to. Stafford isn't even close to 6'6"
Stafford from NFLdraftscout is listed as 6’02’.2
Alex Smith from NFLdraftscout is listed as 6’04.1
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
Draft scout is their EXACT heights from the combine
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
Stafford is fat around a small skeleton.
That’s all that is.
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Stafford isn't that good
He has a great arm but he too often throws off his back foot or has bad mechanics and misses a lot of targets.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
agreed with the horrible mechanics
which gives him some inconsistency, but despite it he makes plays left and right, many of them very savvy plays of a veteran. He is the most gifted passer I’ve seen in a while
He's okay. But he's a stinkin' ass Lion.
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If he were more durable he could be really good. Just gets hurt too easily.
He’s everything Cutler was supposed to be.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Kaep could be everything Stafford is plus mobile and tough
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
He used to be a pitcher
I’m sure he could fix his mechanics
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
But its 2-3 years down the road to see it develop.
His development is more along the line of drafting a baseball pitcher. Develop him in the minors before he sees the big time. In the NFL theres no farm system so he has to ride the bench for 3 or 4 years first. Maybe even longer.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
So are all your cockamamie comments that are beyond old
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I guess they are fair game
and no that wasn’t a personal attack for your info…but since mods don’t seem to care, I guess we are all free to insult people at our whim.
since you were complaining about them
I didn’t see the sense in you using them too. No one should be doing it, but it kinda weakens your complaints against others is all if you’re going to do the same thing.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
not when mods let it go for weeks upon months
the attacks don’t bother me, I’d just prefer to be held to the same standard, and now that I know the standard, I don’t have to rhetorically ask the mods if there is a double standard
Mods aren't even talking to you
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I know
and I just personally insulted Kerr twice…and nothing happens. He’s insulted me for 3 months. Nothing happens. I’m serious, are insults allowed? What other conclusion can I come to.
No, they need to be stopped.
But let me get this straight, you’re asking to be held to the same standards of punishment?
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I don't know.
I don’t think about it really. This is not fantasy football. It’s real football. And Smith is who we have now so I pull for the guy… because if he does good, the team does good, and if the team is doing good, it usually means we are winning. If we are winning A LOT, it gives me a lot of optimism about the possibilities when the odds are a bit higher.
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If someone else steps in someday whether it be Kaep, or anyone else for that matter
I will pull for that guy… unless it is Christian Ponder or Brett Favre.
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Eww.. Brett Farve.
I can’t stand Brett Farve.
by northwestniner on Dec 24, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
What about Caleb Hanie
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 24, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
Sure... why not? If he wears the red and gold, so be it.
I certainly won’t root against the guy like some on this board do against Alex.
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Wish in one hand and crap in the other...
Whatever.
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of course
you can’t cope with the fact that in your hear of hearts you think it’s a tough decision as to whether you’d rather have Stafford or Smith. Amazing.
Because I am a loyal fan?
It’s amazing to me that you come on here as much as you do to bitch and whine about one player. He’s all you ever talk about. You wanna make any claims about obsessions, look in the mirror and question your obsession to bash the 49ers quarterback week in and week out.
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How good he is?
More delusion… I have mentioned his potential… and yes, I have said he has had good to great performances this year… but I have also blamed him when need be… that is the clear and obvious difference between you and I… My comments on Alex Smith are more balanced than yours ever could or would be because of your blind and blatant hatred.
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I like Alex Smith personally
he’s a good kid, raised well, smart. I just don’t think he’s very good at football. It comes from watching him for 7 years now. You waive the “potential” card after 6 years of mediocrity. Who’s assertion is based on evidence and who hasn’t?
I like Alex Smith personally he’s a good kid, raised well, smart
How the eff do you know? He could be the hillside strangler for all you know…. this statement smells like blatant cover-up BS.
You have stated you don’t think he is very good at football, ummm, let’s say well over at least 1,000 times on this board. That’s not exactly a news flash…
So here’s food for thought, find a new fucking topic at least to bitch about, eh?
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if it bother you you can just
ignore me…I’ve heard him and his parents, know a little about his upbringing, so yeah, I’m kind sure they’re not ignorant hicks.
This is why I think you love me.
You can’t let it go. My niner talk that has nothing to do with you bothers you so much, drives you to respond so intensly, that I think you’re a sick douche bag that has fallen in love with me but wants to pull my hair and be angry at me cause they just can’t cope with it.
And I am the sick one?
Yeeeeaaaahhh …. suuuuuureee
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Drew, I do understand why you get frustraited with him
but you take it way too far
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
I honestly don’t care…. nobody does anything to moderate this troll and it’s a goddamn shame that every week that we win, we have to sit here and read this blatant bullshit from this A-hole
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regardless of how you feel
is anything you’re doing now going to help?
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Who knows?
But I’ve never been one to back down. Some people can easier than others I guess.
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you should listen to Andrew
he’s got a good point. You bring it on yourself. All of my criticisms are inflated by your crying. nobody’s presence should bother others this much, unless it becomes personal and not about football and the niners.
N, I shouldn't. I should listen to myself.
I don’t like your commenting… especially when its the same goddamn crap all the time… and I am going to voice my discontent for it as much as possible till you get it through your goddamned head that this is a 49ers blog.
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Personally, Drew ...
… seeing as how you used to phrasing “we have to sit here and read this blatant bullshit from this a-hole,” I find it harder to ignore your constant posting about him than it is to ignore his.
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That's fine James...
I am not gonna retract from anything I have said here because it is how I truly feel.
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And being totally honest, that's probably because I value a lot of your insights.
But when you mix all of that in, it’s like you’re trapping me into reading garbage I don’t need. If I don’t like what he’s saying, I just ignore every post for him (not saying I do), but with yours, that’s impossible, because I want to read the other stuff. You’re like 800% more visible than he is and it’s frustrating because you’ve been down this road with several users in the past. You can’t mold this community to how you want it, Drew. It’s not going to happen. Not every person you dislike is going to be gone. Remember Busta? He’s toast. Some others are, too. There’s no reason you can’t be the bigger man here
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by James Brady on Dec 24, 2011 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I just don't see how breaking site rules can help you at all
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Him trolling on this site is a violation as well.
Most sites would have banned him long ago.
If he were providing true and honest objectivity it would be a different story. But he simply doesn’t.
If people like rlott#42 and itburnz can say negative things, yet still provide positive things from time to time, I am totally coll with that…
But all this dude does is come at this board EVERY single week with the same stupid crap… and nothing is said or done… warnings don’t mean anything here… you simply have to check mark a box.
If people are adding nothing but the same exact negative comments each week, then that is a troll… big time…
And people can say whatever they want about how I confront it, but I am the ONLY one on hear speaking my mind or saying anything about this trolling.
Honestly, I don’t like the way Clutchtree comments either, but every blue moon, he will get pumped up about something, or say something good… so to me, that’s acceptable.
What Mike Boylan does here, simply isn’t acceptable from my perspective. And it’s not my blog, so it’s out of my power obviously. What is in my power is to try and get this guy to talk about something else. And he is not the type of poster that will stop unless some sort of regulation was in place.
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Most sites would have banned you long ago. Again, I’m just being honest and I’m not trying to insult you, Drew – that’s just the truth.
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banned
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Probably you too James.
And that’s just me being honest.
Just sayin’ .. it doesn’t prove much.
Point I was trying to make, is that trolls are generally not kept around for very long on a majority of the sites. And if I participate in those sites (which I do on a few) that uphold those standards, I know I don’t have to put up with it for long; so in turn my commenting is reserved. I know something will eventually happen to those folks. Fooch chooses to keep most everyone around and that is his prerogative. I know it’s good for numbers and stuff, but sometimes the quality of commenting is just as important.
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Of course. But I've worked through my issues.
I don’t get into silly pissing contests and I don’t let idiots piss me off. You’ve been down this road four, five, six times. It just needs an end point, man.
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And Fooch does not keep people around because it's "good for numbers."
He may be quite the page view whore, but that starts and ends solely with topics, headlines, permalinks and tags. He doesn’t keep people around to shore up the numbers
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my impression has always been
that he likes to keep people around with dissenting opinions, so that there’s debate and not just complete homerism
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
Nah, he's just too nice.
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That probably has a lot to do with it too… Fooch is a pretty nice and chilled dude.
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yeah, that'll be the reason for his eventual downfall
when james overthrows him
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Long-short of it James.
If I knew that there were higher standards for trolling… I would be a lot more chill as I have been on other SBN sites.
It really ruins my experience when I want to enjoy a win every week and I have to sift through that guys crap. Trying to ignore it for me is easier said than done I suppose.
May not be the best way to go. But I think I am voicing what a lot of others think and feel but just won’t say.
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Good for you.
You’re the jerkoff that started this whole mess with your negative, trolling BS
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seriously drew
Just stop it! These personal attacks are ridiculous. Go after his opinion, not him.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Screw it! I'm done...
Thought I could enjoy a Niners win on Christmas Eve but whatever…
Merry Christmas…all that. Whatever.
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and a merry christmas to you too
hope you have a great christmas and manage to enjoy the win
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
You’ve been voicing it for several hours straight now and we’re all really sick of it, to be honest. Every one of us. The mistake you’re making is assuming that something isn’t going to be done about this. Fooch is away and the mods have lives on Christmas Eve. Give at a rest and we’ll see what happens.
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I disagree with him a lot too
I just think you take it way too far. The conversation continues when it would have otherwise sputtered and died. At this point can we just say F it, it’s christmas, go 49ers. Then hug each other and sing kumbiya.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
What you claim he is and what you elaborate on are night and day.
That’s like me saying we have a mediocre president, and then go on to call him a worthless, dirtbag, piece of trash.
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If Alex had come out at the same age as most guys he'd be in his third season now
And he hasn’t played 6 years anyways because of injury
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
I think he was young for his class
but he entered the draft 3 years removed from HS graduation like most other early entries, so don’t know why you would try to buy him 3 years when there is no reason to.
th earliest any college QB, like any other position,
can leave school is three years after HS graduation, i.e. juniors or redshirt sophomores, who are between 20-22 years old.
And he was 20 when we drafted him
Most QBs are in college till they are 22-24. Some as late as 25
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
He graduated shortly after turning 17.
Took college classes as a 17 year old. Graduated college at 20. He was in the masters program when we drafted him as a 20 year old.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
A 20 year old being drafted on to one of the least talented teams of all time
And after the start of his third year he got driven into the turf and had a shoulder injury that required surgery. Despite that he continued to play for 3 more games. Then when he said he was too injured to play the coach called him out to the media as being not injured and threw him under the bus. 2 surgeries and 18 months later he was healthy enough to play. It took another year before he was 100% He’s been healthy for 2 seasons. He’s had a total of 4 years of game experience.
You’re a complete troll or you’re softly retarded. Either way I don’t like your type.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
You’re a complete troll or you’re softly retarded.
Mods?
I acknolwedge Smith has had a tough go around. He’s never been as bad as he’s shown in the past, and he’s not nearly as good as people make him out to be this year. Coaching neither.
You can email the mods if you need to contact them. This has always been the case.
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Oh Fooch has threatened to Ban me
I’m sure he hasn’t said anything to you. I don’t care if I get banned. I will call you out till the day I’m kicked off this site and the site can be poorer for my lack of knowledge and keep your completely worthless opinion around
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
And I think you completely believe this nonsense you spout
You’re like the Ron Paul supporters that are so fervently behind him not because of his politics but because he’s outside of the huge conspiracy that Alex Jones tells them about all the time. You’re completely insulated in your own beliefs despite any and all evidence to the contrary.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
I think most of Paul supporters
are behind him because he takes principled stands and is less partisan and more loyal to principles of freedom, even if it is incovnenient to his beliefs….so you lost me
Looks like I hit the nail on the head.
You’ll overlook all the crazy from Paul because he’s the guy that’s fighting the power! The people that support Paul aren’t libertarians, they are tin-foil hat guys that know him from Guesting on Alex Jones radio show. INFOWARS SPEAKS THE TRUTH! IT’S ALL A CONSPIRACY!!!
The Libertarian candidate for the non-crazy is Gary Johnson
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
as a crazy person
I resent the implication that Ron Paul represents me!
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
I now know all I need to know about you
Personally and on here. I have a friend that’s a Ron Paul super-supporter. He believes we’re using HAARP to take over enemy satellites in support of a Rothschildian plan.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
that is your friend's personal problem
he seems whacked out, but Paul is the sanest republican out there…and I’m not a republican, but Paul is one I can respect and might choose him over some libertarians or greenies independents.
He's smoked entirely too much for too long
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
as a dead head
i do not understand this comment
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Somehow it is possible
He buys into the Alex Jones/Ron Paul Conspiracy complex. All I need to know, to know for sure that there is no global conspiracy on anything, is that the government and the majority of the people in it are much, much too stupid to accomplish anything that difficult.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 25, 2011 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
Paul is a conservative republican
that’s why…He has libertarian strands in his politics, as does traditional conservatism, but he’s not running the libertarian ticket.
I am not asking the rule.
I am asking for a list of other QBs who were drafted and started when they were 20 years old.
LOL. Power trip.
I dunno, you said he was like most other early entries
I was wondering which ones were also quarterbacks
LOL. Power trip.
You seem to know everything else
It would be differnt if the system he ran in those “three years” was a pro style system.
He only played like two games in his fresh year
He wouldn't take as many sacks?
How the hell do you know? Smith is far more athletic than Stafford.
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In other words
He can escape the rush much better
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Shaun Hill 2009 - 5 1/2 games 18 sacks
Alex Smith 2009 – 11 1/2 games 22 sacks
Shaun Hill 2010 Lions – 10 1/2 games 17 sacks
Alex Smith 2010 Niners – 10 1/2 games 25 sacks
I wonder who the real problem with our team is. Stafford can’t even survive behind the Lions line that was allowing less than half the pressure ours was.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
The above stats are absolutely damning of our coaching and our O-line
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
And 39 I believe this year
He has been sacked more than anyone, although I do put a good number of them on him
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
I'm wondering why you say this?
when his pocket presence is much better this year and he’s done a hella good job scrambling when needed to
Better than the past yes
But still its not that good. He still holds the ball for too long sometimes and gets those happy feet. You honestly think he has been sacked 39 times and that all falls on the oline? That is surely not the case, and I bet you even he would admit to that.
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
Then you need to see the stats that show that 2/3rds of his sacks come in 3 seconds or less.
Those can be put on the line. Alex does a great job avoiding a lot of sacks that would come in 3 seconds or less also.
If you don’t think he’s great at avoiding pressure see the above numbers and compare him with the QB he replaced in 09
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 25, 2011 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Both are pretty athletic
but Stafford is far more lethal with the football on the run and out of the pocket (or anywhere on the field), wouldnt you say?
Not when he's getting crushed and injured. Which is one of the benefits to Alex
He’s incredibly durable for the punishment he takes. All the teams that have allowed more QB hits than the Niners have had to start multiple QBs because of injury. This is not exaggeration. EVERY TEAM. And only 2 other teams allow a similar hits per attempt. Alex is TOUGH AS HELL
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
So durability considered
Nobody.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
His line is better than ours but he's mobile enough to survive. I think his ego would destroy this team. He already threw his own team under the bus.
Oh and aside from today which was his best game yet (and he threw under 200 yards) he throws too many picks
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
How's that team's record despite being the best team to draft 1 Overall perhaps ever?
They were 8-8 2 years ago. Cam came into a team that when healthy should be no worse than 5-11. He’s got them at 6-9. Yay. Granted they’d be like 2-13 with Ponder. But Dalton would have them 8-7 and Smith would have them at 10-5
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
team stat....individual
you can’t posit the W-L record to prop up an individual player. I think that is called a non sequitur.
Precisely.
So in this specific case, you can use teh W-L record to prop up an individual player.
LOL. Power trip.
You can when turnovers are the direct causation of losses
Cam and Ponder’s turnovers have caused losses. Dalton’s had less and had more success with a worse team. Alex has had almost none and had great success with a team that’s about as talented as the Panthers.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
A little less talented on offense
Better on Defense to be sure.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Their oline is worse than ours
and their rb’s have been weak up until recent weeks. I believe if it weren’t for Cam’s ability to run, and surprising ability to throw better than I ever thought he could, they would be far worse. They have been in games because of him, and yeah he has also ended games for them with picks, but I just can’t see Smith leading that team anywhere, they are bad.
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
The accuracy of his passing has shocked me
I knew he could run it, but I figured he’d be around 50% or 55% completion for his season.
C Ryan Kalil >>>> C Johnathan Goodwin and bettter than anybody on our line
LT Jordan Gross former All-Pro – MUCH MUCH Better than anybody on our line
LG Travelle Wharton is roughly equal to or SLIGHTLY behind Iupati. He’s a good starter. He’d be the best or second best guy on our line. Iupati will be better in the future but right now Wharton has a lot of experience on him.
C Ryan Kalil see above
RG Geoff Hangartner is a serviceable starter on most teams. He’s definitely better than Snyder
RT Byron Bell is replacing Jeff Otah who is on IR. Bell probably isn’t very good… But he can’t be much worse than Anthony Davis
On the whole the Panthers probably have the most underrated offensive line in football. They have a former All-Pro (2008) at LT and one of the leagues premier centers. Their line stacks up very well with the NYJ’s. Fact check next time.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 25, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
nope. His line is too good. He's going to be F***ing shellshocked when he gets to an NFL team and doesn't have 2 of the 4 best linemen in the country in front of him
(And the other 3 guys are probably going to the NFL too)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Not when he demands a trade to SF and is running a lot of the same offense he ran at Stanford.
LOL. Power trip.
Dude Stanford's line is about as good as ours. LITERALLY And they are playing against college competition
They are all pros on that line. Harbaugh built that team around the offensive line.
When he gets to the pros and his line isn’t dominant anymore he’s going to absolutely shit.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 24, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
In no particular order:
Vick
Stafford
Rivers
Romo
Schaub
Ryan
Flacco
Roethlisburger
E Manning
Sanchez
Cam Newton
Freeman
I’d probably take Romo or Vick or Rivers or Stafford for this year. But any on this list would do
some of those I would agree with
but Sanchez? Come on man. And Alex had a better season than Vick, Cam Newton, Josh Freeman, Stafford, Ryan
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
You can't say that Alex Smith has had a better season than Cam Newton
not with a straight face.
I’l agree that his season has been better than Vick’s and Freeman’s. I’ve been arguing for a long time that Matt Ryan is no better than Alex Smith in any category as a QB. The only thing that would concern me about building a franchise around Stafford is his health.
what did he have 16TD and 16 int?
yeah, I can easily say that
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
I don't see how you could think that Alex didn't have a better season than Newton
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
If you're looking at a strict TD to INT ratio no, you're correct
but it’s stupid to look at just one thing and say “Yeah he’s had a better season because of that one statistic”
Cam Newton has had far more offensive production than Alex Smith.
Did I say yards?
I said offensive production. Cam Newton has been responsible for far more of his team’s points than Alex Smith has been of the 49er’s points.
and he has been responsible for losing far more games
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
his overall play
he’s had a lot of offensive production, but has turned the ball over a lot too. Hard to win games when you’re turning the ball over
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
ok
so you are basing it on the TD to INT ratio. You’re saying that you’re basing it on overall play but the only thing you’ve mentioned is the turnover.
You also seem to be neglecting the fact that the Panthers wouldn’t even be in most of those games if it weren’t for Newton.
he’s had a lot of offensive production,
how is that only talking about the turnovers?
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
he's been fantastic as a running QB
but production as a running QB rarely leads to consistant success. Vick was always a great runner, but never had the success that he had last year before that which is when he had his best season as a passer.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Vick also never had the weapons around him
that he had in Philadelphia. Running tds are still part of offensive production
the fact that I think one thing outweighs another
does not mean that I am not considering the rest of his game
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
I'm honestly confused here
You acknowledge that Newton has a lot of offensive production
You then say that it’s not just about the turnovers.
Yet you then go to reemphasize the turnovers.
What else are you looking at? Yards per attempt? Yards per catch? Accuracy?
I really don't understand why you are confused
you seem like you’re trying to split hairs here. He’s fantastic in the running game. I acknowladge that. However, he also turned the ball over a ton. I think the bad outweighed the good. This does not mean that I am not looking at his production, it’s just my opinion that the bad outweighs the good with him. As far as this year anyway.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Ok
You say you’re considering his entire game in deciding that Smith has had a better year than Newton, yet the one thing you keep mentioning as being bad about Newton is the turnovers (which are actually closer than you think).
So I’ll come straight out and ask it. What are you basing your opinion on other than turnovers? What factors have led you to decide that Smith has had a better season than Newton?
TD celebrations.
Newton is a pompous douche who acts like it’s all him and nobody else.
LOL. Power trip.
I haven't seen that from him
but that doesn’t mean anything when it comes to actual performance on the field.
it would make as much sense for me to say
that you’re not considering his interceptions at all
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Newton vs Smith
Newton—34 TDs to 16 INTs (14 rushing TDs)
Smith—16 TDs to 5 INTs
Newton—7.9 yards per attempt
Smith—7.1 yards per attempt
Newton—60% completion
Smith—61% completion
Newton—5 fumbles
Smith—7 fumbles
Newton—3893 yards
Smith—2931 yards
so newton is a much better RB than smith
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
So again I ask you
what are you basing your opinion on if it isn’t turnovers? You’re claiming that you’re not basing your decision solely on turnovers.
I’m not basing my opinion solely on TD to INTs but overall production. Thus all the statistics I listed.
Oh, and you can’t simply ignore rushing tds when considering overall offensive production.
I've answered, you've ignored it because you don't like it
done arguing and have a merry christmas
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
another one of your vague “because I think it’s so” answers.
You said “based on his overall play” yet fail to mention any category or any part of his play other than his td to turnover ratio that’s worse than Alex Smith’s. Whatever.
I swear you do this every single week. You make some off the wall claim, and then you refuse to back it up with anything other than platitudes and generalities.
I told you why, you disagreed
that’s allowed. Get over it dude.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
I said that he provided a lot of offense
but cost his team too much with turn overs. That is reverencing both sides. It’s an opinion, nothing more, nothing less. What the heck is your problem? Not everyone is going to agree with you on everything.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
how about the 4th quarter come back wins for smith this year
When plays occur matter just as much as what plays happen. Look at cam’s game today, he had 4 rushing TDs right? That’s amazing, but they still would have won the game without that many. I’m looking at each QBs helping their team to win.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
I also don't see the need for this
I swear you do this every single week. You make some off the wall claim, and then you refuse to back it up with anything other than platitudes and generalities.
and find it rather sad that you need to be this insulting because someone disagrees with you on the interwebz
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
in the future I'll be sure to check with you
to see if I’m allowed to have an opinion on something
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
A lot of those stats are slanted from the start of the year when he was hurling the ball down the field
and Steve Smith was bailing him out. Today was his best game of the season and he didn’t throw for 200 yards.
For the year I’d much rather have had Alex. We wouldn’t be 12-3 with Cam. More like 8-7
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 25, 2011 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
which stats?
the tds? the yards per catch?
Today with 171 yards passing he averaged 10.1 yards per catch and had over 70% accuracy. Oh and he had 3 tds.
He’s had three games with over 70% completion, all of them after week 6.
He’s had three games with greater than 10 yards per catch, only one of which was before week 6.
Would Cam have worked out as good this year for the 49ers as Alex Smith has? I don’t think so.
Does that mean that Alex Smith has had a better individual year than Cam Newton? No.
For the success of the season does it matter what either player has for a statistical year? No.
Newton-- Plays in an offense designed around him
Smith— Plays in a run first offense
LOL. Power trip.
And?
Good grief it’s not like I’m a Smith basher. I’ve long been one of his most ardent supporters on this site.
I dunno, it just seems strange to compare passing yards
and count rushing TDs when neither of those things is something Alex is really asked to do, and Alex is still going to break 3000 yards passing this season.
I dunno, I don’t particularly care either way. I’m not a fan of Newton, mostly because of the crap he did before even getting to the NFL
LOL. Power trip.
If you took this argument to it's logical conclusion
you couldn’t compare any players at all because every one of them is asked to do something differently.
And you'll notice
that from the beginning I said that Newton has been more productively offensively than has Alex Smith.
That’s why I can include rushing tds because, unless the game has changed since I last looked, rushing tds are a part of the offense.
When I looked up Newton’s statistics I was surprised by his completion percentage, which I thought would be much lower.
Smith has only lost 1 fumble if I'm correct though
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 25, 2011 12:52 AM PST up reply actions
Ok was just going off memory
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 25, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
not forgetting it
I’m just looking at what his primary job is and how he cost his team games with turning the ball over.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
with all due respect
I don’t think you can really know what I’m considering
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
rebuttal
Vick has had a horrible year. Don’t think he’ll get back to his 2010 performance ever again
Stafford. I still have huge concerns about his durability
Rivers is a turnover machine
Romo would be the first one I’d agree with
Schaub is ok
Ryan is no better than Alex Smith
Flacco is no better than Alex Smith
Roethlisberger is bigger than Alex Smith, but he’s horrible at protecting the ball
I’d take Eli Manning way above everybody on your list except Romo
Sanchez is awful, awful, awful. Far worse than Alex Smith
Cam Newton is an interesting possibility. He’s had a fantastic rookie year, that’s for sure.
Freeman had one good year and then reverted in a bad way. I don’t think he’s a good decision maker at all.
Sanchez
Sanchez over Smith? That’s crazy!
by northwestniner on Dec 24, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
Dude, Sanchez is aweful!!
I would leave Freeman and Flacco off that list too
I'm not feeling witty enough right now
OK
Eli
Big Ben
Romo
Cutler
Those four are obvious choices to me. They are much better than Smith.
Rivers
Stafford
Vick
Schaub
These four have had down years/injury, but one year does not a quarterback make. These guys are all better than Alex.
I would also take Newton and maybe even Dalton.
Smith is playing very well and I believe he can win an SB. I just don’t understand how you could argue that our offense would be worse with any of the above names.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Dec 25, 2011 6:42 AM PST up reply actions
Aaaaand another recap thread.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/12/24/2660343/49ers-vs-seahawks-notable-stats-performances-week-16
http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/12/24/2660343/49ers-vs-seahawks-notable-stats-performances-week-16
http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/12/24/2660343/49ers-vs-seahawks-notable-stats-performances-week-16
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This is funny!
12-3 and everyone is so desperate for change. Enjoy the season, I don’t think there are as many things to fix as everyone thinks. We just made the playoffs for the first time since 02’. I believe in Smith and the Niners, despite what happens the rest of this season we are heading in the right direction and that’s a start.
Oh and Alex Smith will get better, though I don’t think it would matter if he 5 Superbowls I still think people would hate on him. In my opinion I think he’s completely capable of winning Superbowl. Merry Christmas everyone! GO NINERS!
by northwestniner on Dec 24, 2011 10:57 PM PST reply actions
Lost in the hype
Our D is #1 in its first year under this DC without an off season.
The FO did a killer job putting this team together and for the first time in a long time we have something to be proud of.
This team can only get better. I expect good things for years to come.
by Tyler50 on Dec 24, 2011 11:35 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Why all the Desean Goldson mutiny. He's Ronnie Lott 2.0
Goldson has held down the fear installation portion of our secondary. What are yall talking bout dumping the hawk now. He missed a few tackles. He may go Hawaii this year. Why ya’ll buggin out. Maybe it’s just venting, I hope.
Sure, people are being too hard on him, but calling him Ronnie Lott 2.0 is short-sighted and offensive to one of the top ten football players of all time.
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by James Brady on Dec 25, 2011 2:00 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
The Hawk is easily one of the 10 FS in football, with that said...
he DOES whiff a couple of tackles here and there. He has a great nose for the ball and lays major wood #pause
I’m not quite sure how people can be so down on Hawk, but give Whitner a pass and he is HORRIBLE in coverage.
[only built for cuban linx]
by Mighty Healthy on Dec 25, 2011 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
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