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49ers Vs. Seahawks: Are They Always 'Playing For Touchdowns'?

Immediately following Sunday's game, Jim Harbaugh spoke with the media and addressed the issue of some of the more conservative play-calling we saw:

On whether he was more inclined to play for field goals due to the nature of the game.
"No, we're always playing for touchdowns."

There were two instances where the 49ers had a 3rd and long well inside field goal territory and elected to run shotgun handoffs. They were basic off-tackle or off-guard runs. They spread out the defense with four receivers split out wide, so there was a modest amount of misdirection with the plays.

One occurred at the Seahawks 13 yard line when the 49ers had 3rd and goal. I was anticipating a quick fade route to Braylon Edwards, but instead they ran it. I understand concerns about turnovers in a tight battle, but if a team is always playing for touchdowns, the runs don't make sense to me. I know we can only take what Coach Harbaugh says with a grain of salt, but even still, those 3rd and long decisions confused me.

Does it play along with the idea of running it on 3rd and long deep inside your own territory? Is the "worst place" to turn the ball over deep in your own territory and deep in opposing territory? Was it smart to play for three in spite of Coach Harbaugh might have said after the game? They came away with a pair of field goals and obviously that was the difference, but should the team have more of a cut-throat mentality at times on offense?

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The play calling

is certainly conservative. Are they playing for touchdowns? At times I question that myself.
On another note, is anybody else getting sick and tired of Harbaugh dodging the answers to questions about players’ health when it comes to injuries? I mean come on, people want to know the status of their football team and their players.

Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!!

by Kittles on Dec 26, 2011 2:08 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

Why would you be sick of it.

He isn’t required to talk about it, it comes out on Wed. on the injury report. Why go telling everyone what is going on inside the locker room.

He doesn’t owe the fans or media anything. I also thing there’s a lot of truth to when he talks about not being in someone’s body and not speaking for how they feel.

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Dec 26, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

ugh

think*

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Dec 26, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they always play for touchdowns

But they’re conservative so that if they CAN’T get the TD they can at least get 3.,

"Coach, we got this. We got this." - Frank Gore
REST IN PEACE MAURICE LUCAS 1952-2010 R.I.P #20
"They responded like mighty men." - Jim Harbaugh

by rise_stand_resist on Dec 26, 2011 2:14 PM PST reply actions  

With the defense playing lights out I understand being conservative once we get into field goal range. However I think JH has to let Alex at least take a shot on third down, at the very least Alex has shown he’s not going to turn the ball over very often, I think a little more faith needs to be shown on those third down plays down in the redzone.

by BangingHebrew on Dec 26, 2011 2:24 PM PST reply actions  

I feel that Alex Smith has benefited greatly with Jims play call.

All these conservitive calls in the endzone get us the 3 points that win us these close games. I recall a few times last year when singletary went for it on fourth down only to come up empty handed and loose the game by a few. I always told myself after last season that we shouldn’t be greedy and take what we can get. Looks like Jim has the same philosophy
and we now are 12-3 and going to the playoffs.

by Zintzun22niner on Dec 26, 2011 2:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think Alex has proven this year that he’s not going to make that crucial mistake. I think he has earned the right to at least try and convert a third down chance, I believe he’s smart enough to not force it and/or throw it away so we can still come away with those 3 points. Going for it on fourth is a different story entirely but running it on third and long bothers me. I think Alex has at the very least earned the right to throw it in third down situations with his play thus far.

by BangingHebrew on Dec 26, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Alex’s low turnover rate due to his improvement or due to the conservative play-calling? If he is asked to do more as he did in previous years, he may revert to past mistakes.

by sportsguy950 on Dec 26, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

truthfully

Probably a bit of both. However I think he has improved to the point where I have faith that he’s not going to cost us a chance at points by him making a bad choice in the redzone. JH may not have that faith but I feel like he at least deserves a shot at it.

by BangingHebrew on Dec 26, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

He's learning a new offense again so I'd chalk it up to conservative play calling.

If he were asked to do more now, he’d be making more mistakes. If you asked him to do more next year, I don’t know if he would, since he’d have a better grasp on the offense. Thankfully, our defense and special teams have made it so we can afford to take things easy on offense.

by jveezy on Dec 27, 2011 2:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I think they are 100% NOT playing for TD

Only knock on Harbaugh I have is that after the Morgan injury he completely lost his killer instinct to just run up the score and make sure they win. Happened in the Redskins/Browns games as well as others im sure. He could of ended those games early and didnt seem to want to go for it.

I hope it doesnt come back to haunt us. Its almost a given that if we were to make the SB it would be by beating NO and GB. And while we can win with the FG/defense game against them. It will be hard. That game wins maybe 4/10 times against those good teams. Maybe a few more. But getting those TD helps much more.

Get that killer instinct back Harbaugh. It can only help. Morgans injury was a fluke.

by Collin B on Dec 26, 2011 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

O " boy " ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Dec 26, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

That game wins maybe 4/10 times against those good teams.

I also enjoy pulling random stats (that I made up) from thin air.

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Dec 26, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

This really bothered me after the game...

First, I understand that Harbaugh is going to play conservatively, and generally support that approach. How can’t you? 12-3 can’t be argued with. But…

The situation mentioned in the post bothered me, but I understand it. What is essentially 3rd and 13 is a low percentage play for any team, and trying a quick run there might have worked. I had a far larger issue with the other playcalls, which happened during the drive at the end of the game.

Crabtree had just caught the 40 yard pass and the 49ers had the ball at around the Hawks 25. A run to begin with there is fine – firmly establish the field goal. Once that is done though, you need to throw the ball. Situationally, running the ball twice more and kicking a field goal makes little sense. The 49ers have only 1 timeout left and are giving the Seahawks the ball with about 3 minutes on the clock. Any kind of a drive by them and the game is probably over because you only have 1 timeout left – thus, the Seahawks really control the clock. Addtionally, you have lost your kick returner, so if they do score the go ahead field goal, your chances of busting a substantial return are diminished.

2nd and 8 from the Seahawks 20 – even if you throw the ball on 2nd and 3rd downs and don’t make the 1st, you are leaving yourself more time if the Seahawks can drive for a field goal. If however you do make the 1st down, now the Hawks have to start buring timeouts to save the clock. And heck – maybe the 49ers actually score a touchdown and put the game away. Crazy!!!

Risk / reward. I am glad it worked out (skittles to Larry Grant), but in the playoffs, it will likely be Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers directing those two minute drives and you can’t give those guys any rope. Hopefully, Harbaugh knows that and adjusts accordingly…

"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."

by Mcamp49 on Dec 26, 2011 3:09 PM PST reply actions  

I think the playcalling was fine for *this* game

But that’s because the 49ers D had a good chance of preventing Seattle from driving for a winning field goal at the end. As you say, playing the same way against Brees or Rogers would be a death sentence. I love our “D”, but elite QBs have shown that they can move the ball against our “D” through the air.

I’m hoping that in the playoffs, Harbaugh does become more aggressive with his playcalling. I don’t think the “settle for 3” strategy will work in the playoffs.

by Joe Como on Dec 27, 2011 5:49 AM PST up reply actions  

There's so little confidence in the offense

That they don’t even play for first downs at the end of a game to run out the clock and secure a win. How many times have we seen 3 runs and out to punt and put it back on the defense? Forget going for touchdowns. How many first downs do they even get in a game? Thank god for short fields and long legs.

by whatsURdeal on Dec 26, 2011 3:24 PM PST reply actions  

I've got a serious question...

Why in the world did we draft Ronald Johnson and not Doug Baldwin? Were there some bad reports about his abilities or something? I would think that Harbaugh would’ve known that he had all that talent that the rest of us are seeing now…

Maybe it’s complaining a little bit, but I was just thinking about how great it would be if we had Baldwin opposite crabtree instead of Ginn/Braylon.

by tonedru on Dec 26, 2011 3:39 PM PST reply actions  

Hindsight is 20/20

Who knows? I’d say we did very well over all draft-wise though I’m sure we’d all like to have Baldwin, Harbaugh et al included.

by whatsURdeal on Dec 26, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Ronald J was lobbied by

receivers coach, from USC. Not that thrilled with receiver play this year and, it turns out, Ronald didn’t have the goods.

by oldfoggy on Dec 26, 2011 4:28 PM PST reply actions  

Too conservative on 3rd.

I’m sorry but there’s a lot of passing plays we can try on 3rd down that will not only be out of the reach of the D but will also hopefully make Alex better mentally for the next time he tries them even if they aren’t completed. We’re just becoming to predictable on 3rd and goal to the point where we might as well just kick the FG on 2nd down to prevent a possible fumble from running it on 3rd. Also, we can’t keep doing quick out throws either, our receivers and Frank Gore aren’t good enough to either A) catch the ball or B) make a freaking move on a defender to get 5 freaking yds.

Speaking of how many YAC do our receivers have compared to the rest of the NFL? because I think A Smith is lacking in that stat because of VERY FEW YAC! I mean I bet there’s 3rd and 4th strings out there who have higher YAC than our receivers.

by sanluisobispo49ers on Dec 26, 2011 5:04 PM PST reply actions  

Conversative, but.....

Gore could rip one right up the gut at any time, especially when they’re expecting pass. And anyways we can’t question too much as long as we always find a way to win. Which is what really matters, and keeps it exciting. However, I’d love to see Alex light it up with and open receiver (that catches it) in the end zone. Alex has done this, but our receivers have not caught it. Imagine a whole offseason with Harbaugh, he is going to tear it up next year even more. I mean bombing the sky with TD’s. Watch and see.

by wellnesscoach on Dec 26, 2011 5:31 PM PST reply actions  

texas

we need to use texas passing routes more.

by ajra21 on Dec 26, 2011 5:34 PM PST reply actions  

correct me if I'm wrong,

but I believe seeing somewhere that on 3rd and 10+ running gains first downs about 10% of the time and passing about 33% of the time. And a few of those run % points are due to screens thrown backwards to rbs and wrs. So it makes absolutely no sense when already in field goal range not to take a shot

by itsAteamGAME on Dec 26, 2011 5:53 PM PST reply actions  

Of course they play for touchdowns, there just not gonna use plays with high turnover rates. On another note Alex, in my opinion, is the reason for the approach. Ball comes out too late.

"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"

by rlott#42 on Dec 26, 2011 9:27 PM PST reply actions  

Playing for TD's

I do hope they are saving a lot for the playoffs as far as offense in the red zone. Even with the best defense in the NFL they will need to score TD’s not field goals unless they can totally shut down an offense that is capable of scoring 30 + points a game. i have enjoyed this season so much unlike the almost decade long drought of no post season. It has been decades since we were the team of the eighties, other teams reffered to as the ‘machine’ ever relentless, never giving up. It is a legacy that we should never forget…5 superbowl trips, 5 superbowl wins.Remeber 2010-2011 49er’s team like the late Rodney Dangerfield said " No respect, that is what we get !"

Go 49er’s kick some a— and give no quarter !!!!!

by JACK T on Dec 27, 2011 1:25 AM PST reply actions  

C"mon folks , lets put this in perspective ...

… we look around the league and see Breeze , Rodgers and Brady lighting it up with their high powered passing attack , all of these Qb’s have been in the same system for 6 plus years , if you don’t think that is huge , then you need to …

… Slow your Roll …!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Dec 27, 2011 6:09 AM PST reply actions  

Oh and BTW this is such a assisine question ...

…On whether he was more inclined to play for field goals due to the nature of the game…!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Dec 27, 2011 6:16 AM PST reply actions  

Harbaugh ...

Our plan of attack is too march it down the field for 50 or 60 yards ,
then ( Slow Our Roll ) and kick that FG …!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Dec 27, 2011 6:20 AM PST up reply actions  

i think he ran it to waste clock and timeouts and also the outside chance that they get another first down… if they throw it and it’s incomplete that’s almost like getting a free 30 second timeout to the other team… also, i don’t think they had their full arsenal of players to be throwing (delanie, kyle and ted being out) in the first place… seattle has a very good defense and it would be too easy to key in on vernon or michael… also, they wouldn’t send an all out blitz where a screen would work… oh and the defense has to be constantly tested at all opportunities (we know they have so much experience in close games how many playoff teams can say that?)… yeah they can run up the score, but giving the team adversity (even some unwanted) can only prepare the team for a playoff run… all i know is that when the offense has needed to answer they have (look it up)…

by Don'tCallMeWhiner on Dec 27, 2011 6:17 AM PST reply actions  

It could be all that

Or it could be that this is a bad offense when healthy, and it isn’t.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Dec 27, 2011 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

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