Terrell Owens: So The Chatter Begins....
by David Fucillo on Dec 28, 2011 10:17 AM PST
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PrintI wanted to word the title carefully because the only chatter apparently is coming from TO. Thanks to E-Train for posting these as a FanShot. Terrell Owens tweeted Donte Whitner and Whitner responded:
@DonteWhitner Let em kno if they need me, I'm ready homie!! I'm ready 2 take em deep!!
— Terrell Owens (@terrellowens) December 28, 2011
@terrellowens I know u are! And I'm ready to Vouch for...and let everyone kno how GREAT of a teamate u were in buffalo!
— TWHITNER(@DonteWhitner) December 28, 2011
And so it begins. TO spent 2009 in Buffalo where he was a teammate of Donte Whitner. There was nothing but praise for how he acted in Buffalo, which was noteworthy given that his time in San Francisco, Philadelphia and Dallas all ended with some level of acrimony.
TO spent last season with Cincinnati and was a free agent this offseason when he blew out his knee. He has been rehabbing the knee since undergoing reconstructive surgery in April. Recovery is often around the 8-9 month timeframe, which we fall into this month. Add in the fact that TO has shown an impressive ability in the past to recover, and you could argue he is likely pretty close to healthy at this point.
I still think the 49ers go with Joe Hastings or even Konrad Reuland to replace Delanie Walker for now. The tight end position is quite important to the offense in part because of the numerous ways they use tight ends in their offense. They can use offensive linemen or a fullback in that third tight end role, but it would seem to remove some of their flexibility.
I have to admit that I am modestly intrigued by the idea of adding Terrell Owens. I actually don't see much in the way of locker room concerns. I have to think Baalke and Harbaugh will not put up with any crap from TO and would be prepared to unload him in half a heart-beat. If he is no longer a big play threat or his knee is still bothering him, they could probably figure that out pretty quickly.
The 49ers did not attend TO's workout in late July, but I actually think bringing him in for a workout would be simply doing their due diligence. He is an option and it would be smart to at least kick the tires and see if he can still bring something to the table. If they don't think he can, so be it. If he can though, there's potentially upside there for this offense.
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I'd rather watch
Carlos Rodgers try to play both ways then to bring TO back.
Bitter fans that can't get over what happened 10 years ago....
There seems to be a lot of them here. If anyone here honestly believes this team is not better with TO on it than Reuland or Hastings, they are delussional. Our PS players are not scaring anyone currently in the playoffs, but there are plenty of players and DCs who remember well just how good TO can be.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
No One Else
is in a position like we are. For the past 16 weeks, I think it was smart for us to not sign him. What makes it different now? the timing of injuries and playoffs starting.
32 other GMs were in the right to not sign him through the first 16 weeks, including T.Baalke. But now? I think we’re in the right place to justify it and to reap benefits from it.
by Nicholas Cannelora on Dec 28, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
They're not delusional...
but they don’t have depleted WR corp like ours. Also, TO has been rehabbing all year. There’s no way a team was going to roster him all year when he can’t play. We also are not GB or NO who can promote from the PS and probably get starter quality production.
And if you don’t think the Texans are going to at least look into it while starting a 3rd string rookie QB and their star receiver likely being hampered in their first playoff appearance, then they are brain dead.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
+ Bazillion ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
For What It's Worth
The 1982 baseball Cardinals won the World Series. The team literally fell apart after that. There were rumors of rampant cocaine use, and within two years the rumored problem players were traded elsewhere.
One particular player had an exit interview with the media wherein he cried and claimed the rumors where untrue, and the problem was all coach Whitey Herzog’s ego.
Several years later in the Pittsburgh drug trials, as they became known as in the media, apparently Mr. Cokehead decided he had better tell the truth this time—yes, I did do lots of coke, and yes, Pittsburgh was our drug connection. He apologized to the fans—of his new team. He was loved in St. Louis up until that time, and cheered every time he came to St. Louis with his new team. After the truth came out he was jeered and booed mercilessly after that, and I would say rightly so.
Fast forward to 2007 or so when the old Busch Stadium was demolished to make room for the new stadium. They had a celebration with all of the old Cardinals stars still alive, and they cheered Mr. Cokehead, who was invited and was in attendence, just as much as they did everyone else (Ozzie Smith, Bob Gibson, etc.).
Time heals a lot of things, or at least takes the sharp edges off.
At least give him a workout—what can it hurt?
PS—please, Giants fans, don’t start a rant about Ozzie Smith.
Yea they act like it was all on T O we had jeff garcia n im sorry regardless of his
playoff record he was a below average QB then theres gregg knapp who couldn’t cordinate 2 save his life he was in atlanta with jim mora jr. got fired there jim mora jr. took him 2 seattle with him got fired there so it was just more than TO than him not working out here.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Dec 28, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
I'm on board...
TO has to be accounted for on the field no matter what. Hastings or Reuland are not scaring anyone; especially on playoff caliber defenses. It is going to be very difficult for a team to double cover Crabs and Davis and still be able to account for Williams, TO and Gore/Hunter.
I’d even say that if he can make a couple sure catches in the open field and pick up chunks of yardage, then teams will have to decide who they want to double cover at that point. There is absolutely no downside to bringing TO in right now and giving him some situational snaps during the St. Louis game. If he can make one big play for us, teams immediately have to begin accounting for him in the playoffs and he is one of the best WR in league history.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 10:27 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
There is one downside.
More attention will be on the team by the media.
"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt this team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh
by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 28, 2011 12:39 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
We're going to the playoffs and will potentially be one of only 8 teams remaining....
There is going to be a media frenzy regardless. It’s the playoffs, something that we haven’t seen in a while. Every playoff team gets mass media attention.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Are you kidding me.
Order of media attention from most to least…
Tebow > Rodgers > Brees > Brady > Giants/Cowboys > Dumb and pointless tweets from NFL players>…………..49ers.
you forgot
Tebow > Rodgers > Brees > Brady > Giants/Cowboys > Dumb and pointless tweets from NFL players> Lindsay Lohan > Britney Spears >…………..49ers
Honestly
I love T.O but this team doesnt need that kind of press. He will easily take the spotlight so many others have earned.
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by 49erfannm on Dec 28, 2011 10:30 AM PST via mobile reply actions
let him have it
I’d rather our other guys stay out of the media spotlight throughout the playoffs. It’s actually an interesting strategy. Use T.O. like a lightning rod so our players don’t have to be bombarded by the media, especially during S.B. Week.
by Nicholas Cannelora on Dec 28, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
I doubt that...
TO is no fool and if he wants to come back now, then he surely wants to play next year as well. I’d bet we get a very modest TO who avoids most of the questions that will be asked and tries to make a good impression within the media. He won’t be doing sit ups in the driveway.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
doesn't matter
The media is coming for him if he spends the night at home reading a book. Its unavoidable and not his fault, but he will take the attention.
So what?
The media will come but I doubt that a guy showing up to play for 4 games is going to act like he’s Willie Beaman. Give him some credit he was very humble in Buffalo and Harbaugh will make it clear that that is the standard he needs to hold if he comes here for spot duty during the playoffs.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
he might not be a fool
But he also might be sorta bonkers.
Harbaughcalypse Now
by dutra on Dec 28, 2011 11:00 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
That i do agree with the press will eat it up will have espn,fow sports,cbs sports,n their
mamas at our prctices,that being said i do think on the field terrell could help he’s a good down-field blocker one of the best at his position he works hard in practice n his knowledge of the game would help young recievers n most of all its his last shot on a team he could see making it 2 the SB so the positives out-weigh the negatives 2 me atleast?
by Jayubb415rebirth on Dec 28, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
YES
PLEASE
DO IT
can someone explain what a contract for him would look like? obviously non-guaranteed. how would this work? like offer him $100K for sunday’s game, and if he plays well, offer him $100K for each playoff game? if he plays like crap, pay him the $100K and cut him?
im not sure
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:31 AM PST reply actions
veteran's minimum
I think it’s prorated for $910K. Josh McCown signed for the veteran’s minimum and it is prorated to the number of weeks played. If that’s the case here, it would be like $60K basically.
by David Fucillo on Dec 28, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
so are you guys really saying you’d rather play Joe Hastings or even Konrad Reuland over paying TO $62.5K for one game to see if he still has something left?
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
I'll be down to get him
People change
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Magic number For bye week (1 for Saints) For NFC West division title 0 (NFC WEST CHAMPIONS) worst seed possible (3rd seed)
yes.
I’m not sure that TO would be effective with no practices, no games in a year, and no experience in this system.
Harbaughcalypse Now
by dutra on Dec 28, 2011 11:04 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
He played in WC offenses in SF and Philly
I think he’d be fine with the majority of the playbook. It
WWJHD?
by NoDakNiner on Dec 28, 2011 2:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Most likely veteran minimum....
And it would only pay him for the games he plays in. So let’s say the veteran minimum for TO is $1m, which is then divided over 16 games, he would receive $62,500 per game.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
You thought he played hard 4 that philly team that made it 2 the SB he busted his ass
2 get back in-shape after that injury i think he would chew-off his knee-cap 2 play on this team + its the franchise that drafted him where his name was made pleeeeaaase he would kill 4 this shot!!!!
by Jayubb415rebirth on Dec 28, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
I hear chewing knee-caps is bad for you incisors.
Let alone comebacks.
jacobtaylor2002
by jacobtaylor2002 on Dec 28, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxCWzyUtFbY
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:33 AM PST reply actions
great catch
Also, two years and blown knee ago. I think he’s worth bringing in for a workout. Not advocating necessarily signing him yet.
by David Fucillo on Dec 28, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
I'm becoming less and less opposed
I think it is because I honestly am seeing less and less downside. I’m not convinced he actually could do any damage to the team, Harbaugh wouldn’t allow it. If he starts to cause problems you just let him go. Seems kind of low risk high reward to me.
The team has had no real problems sticking together all year and I don’t think T.O. could do much to upset that. The only real downside is absurd media attention I think.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
id really like to see what people think a guy who hasnt played in a year can do to “team chemistry”
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
especially when we can cut him after one game, hell even before the STL game if we sign him
he doesnt even need to learn the playbook
alex calls a play, then says “TO go deep” or “TO run to the sideline”
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
oh wait alex cant throw deep anyway
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Deep middle...
Also, TO is still a physical receiver. Have him run short slants and bully the CB covering him to pick up positive yardage.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
yeah sorry, i thought he was moss for a second
i just dont see what the issue is. one of the great WRs in history and people would rather someone off the PS than owens because of his past when he was a kid. he’s matured now id hope. even whitner says he was a great teammate.
plus we need a big guy with walker dead
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
I think he just wants to play at this point, he wouldn’t cause any problems. Any issues would be the media creating nonsense as usual.
Not to mention he’s always been a bit of a freak, provided he’s 100% healthy I think he’ll be in shape, which is still better than probably 98% of the people his age.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
T.O. and maturity in the same sentence?
Given his record, I wouldn’t count on it
But give him a legitimate shot at a Super Bowl ring and the guy will work at it – that has to be intriguing for a wideout short playoff team.
Still, its T.O. so you better not expect anything beyond a short term rental
Seriously. Call the whole play
TO – 15 yard slant and go
Not like TO hasn’t run over 1000 of them in his career.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 28, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
I'm 100% for it!
I’ve always been a fan of T.O. I think his locker-room issues were always a matter of unresolved anti-social issues, but I never thought he was simply a jerk. Regardless of any QB-issues he ever had, he always played at 100%, never quitting like divas do. Let’s not forget that, in addition to his tremendous receiving skills, he was also always an effective blocker – a must-have skill for any WR on our team.
Call me crazy, but be a great asset on a week-to-week basis through the playoffs.
by Nicholas Cannelora on Dec 28, 2011 10:35 AM PST reply actions
No
I love TO, but he would bring the media circus along with him. There isn’t any superstars on offense, just a bunch of blue collared guys who do what they do very well in receiving, and BLOCKING. TO would be a distraction
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Norm Sloan
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Weldon Drew
by EcERyda69 on Dec 28, 2011 10:36 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I doubt this...
Sure the media would try to overwhelm him, but he played in Buffalo an entire year without drawing attention. I wouldn’t doubt if he gets signed that Harbs trots him out in in a blue work shirt for a brief press conference to say “I’m happy to play football again and am going to do anything asked of me by the coaches.”
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Because Buffalo was crap
Going into the playoffs you don’t think thus will happen
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
by EcERyda69 on Dec 28, 2011 10:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
TO didn't contribute to our appearance in the playoffs...
He’s a role player if he signs now and Harbaugh will quickly kill any perception that TO is coming to save the day for us. He would likely get very limited snaps for one game and then a few more in the first playoff game. If he blows up there, then they consider expanding his role, but the offense isn’t goin gto change because TO is here. It’s still the Frank Gore show.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
It would be a heroic comeback.
Whatever Harbaalke does, I trust it.
jacobtaylor2002
by jacobtaylor2002 on Dec 28, 2011 10:36 AM PST reply actions
Funny...
I got the same tweet when I posted a job to rake the leaves on my lawn. Me thinks TO would play anywhere before nowhere.
maybe he wants to do it to show he still has it
and hell, i would love to see him retire as a 49er too. i dont care about what happened 10 years ago. the most iconic image of the 49ers in the past 15 years (besides hearst’s run, A-Rod sitting depressed in the draft room and singletary with no pants) is the catch II
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
so why go for TO? all that you wrote was based on emotional ties
not good business to let feelings get in the way of a playoff run
Are you kidding me?
He’s by far been the most productive receiver we’ve had and instills a lot more fear in DCs than Hastings or Swain does.
by FearTheTree on Dec 28, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
He had a good workout
And a team like ours that is desperately thin at WR that we’re looking to add guys that might not even be in the NFL next season as STARTERS should at least give a dude like TO a try.
by FearTheTree on Dec 28, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
a workout no one showed up to, signed him based on, and he took frequent breaks
that did not impress me. IF we get TO it has to be today
Because it was in the middle of the season...
No team was in NEARLY as dire a situation as us at the WR position let alone a playoff team…
by FearTheTree on Dec 28, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
He’s had another two months to recover from his injury.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
First thing to go during a lay-off is cardio.
Dude is probably a physical marvel again with 2 more months to do his compulsive workout regimen
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 28, 2011 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
"He’s by far been the most productive receiver we’ve had"
Uhhh…. No. No he’s not “by far the most productive receiver we’ve had”. He’s the second most productive receiver the 49er’s have had, right?
I guess we’ll see if the ‘9ers are going to give him a workout, but I don’t think it would be surprising if they didn’t.
Harbaughcalypse Now
im referring more to at least giving him a tryout
1. i expect him to have matured and now has a teammate campaigning for him
2. vet minimum. give him a vet min contract, worth $62K for the rams game. if he sucks, cut him (hopefully we’d know after the tryout if he did or not)
come on, youd rather take hastings or reuland over TERRELL OWENS? really? even for one game?
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
yes
1 and 2 mean nothing to me. If he is washed up and playing scared because of his injury he can give up on a play or be out of position and give up a turnover. If he is fit and shows he is willing to take a hit with no hesitation then I hope he plays well. I just don’t believe an aging receiver that hasn’t played in a year is the answer and I don’t think there is a single bit of evidence in NFL history to support that it is
Two Words For You
Jerry Rice.
How did T.O. go from a mid-3rd round pick to a dominant WR? Because he learned his work ethic and habits from the G.O.A.T. Who else was a “washed up” FA WR signed to a team who had S.B. asperations? the G.O.A.T. w/OAK.
by Nicholas Cannelora on Dec 28, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
correct me if I'm wrong
but Jerry was signed for the whole season and had a whole year to work with them and did not have to recover from a recent surgery. Not signed week 17 before a playoff run
Do Hastings or Reuland really make our team better than having TO on it?
Let’s be honest, they don’t; not even a little. All emotional attachments aside, TO is the best player available for spot duty over a few weeks and he isn’t going to walk in as a starter. He will be a #3 WR and try to contribute as much as possible to prove he still has it and earn an opportunity to get a contract somewhere next year.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Even if he just runs a fade route in the redzone or runs flys all day long it takes attention away from Crabs and Vernon.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
why did we get rid of Braylon?
he played scared and didn’t go all out. TO has not seen gametime in a year and has had surgery to boot. I’m not totally against it, but I think its unnecessary. Its too late
Consider this
If we beat the Rams we have 3 weeks (including the current one) to have TO to get up to speed. That’s essentially a training camp.
by FearTheTree on Dec 28, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I understand that
That is the point though, if he does the same or shows he isn’t 100% and can’t go all out you cut ties, nothing lost…That is the point of a workout and basically an extended tryout vs the Rams.
I don’t think it is much of a risk at all other than the ensuing media circus, which is my main reservation.
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry but Braylon wasn't scaring anyone at this point and was barely contributing
Everyone knew that, so he was barely taken account for. At least with TO, it’s something different that no one knows how he’ll perform. He will have to be accounted for early on to see if he is in fact a threat.
Plus, there is no benefit in passing over TO for Reuland or Hastings. They will not get enough snaps this week to all of a sudden have them in perfect rythem with Smith or the offense. If TO flops, you cut him and you’re only out $62K.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
and
a media circus, possible loss because of interception he did not go after, playing at NO and getting kicked out of the playoffs early and our players thinking our coaches do not believe in them and will panic and sign big names in trouble
Ok let's go over this....
The media circus is completely unavoidable if we sign TO, but Harbaugh can certainly contain that to some extent.
Possible loss due to INT – You’re saying that the guy on the practice squad all year is going to play perfect? For all you know, he runs the totally wrong route and the pass goes right to a defender for a pick 6 and cost us the game.
Playing at NO – I’d feel more secure with TO taking the 10-15 snaps that the promoted PS guy would take against the Rams; a must-win game for us in order to get that bye week.
Players losing faith – Two of our current 4 WR are injured. It’s possible that they might be limited. We are bringing in a player to bolster the roster until they are healthy that is all. Harbaugh will not promote TO to #1 or 2 on the depth chart just because he is TO. Our players will not lose faith.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
but these are current risks
Media circus, check. Possible INT, PS squad guys had the playbook all year and have been actively working out with an NFL team while TO is a mystery, your argument is valid but no clear winner. Playing at NO, NO has a harder game than we do and HAVE to win also our players should be healed by that time anyways, still valid but still unknown. Players losing faith, good point. It is understandable. Players will be fine.
But we may have a gem on the PS that just needs a chance. TO has passed his ceiling
Couldn’t the Niners do both? TO and a PS guy? It would mean cutting someone else, but that might be doable.
Niners Nation on the Reservation
by kinglouie33 on Dec 28, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
they cut Edwards
wonder if they will / could resign him in two weeks if everyone heals up.
All true, no clear answer....
I just think that on short notice with a very depleted WR corp and a young team who has never sniffed the playoffs, TO could be a good option to add the the team. I think we can wait until next year to see if that guy on the PS is a gem. And considering the situation, it’s now pretty clear that WR is a draft need at some point, so we have better competition next year.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
T.O. is also a physical monster
The only CB in the history of the league that might have intimidated him played for the Niners in the 80’s
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 28, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
THIS
for god sakes, do people really think hasting or reuland would take coverage? NO
kyle williams, walker, and braylon are all gone. you wont take a SIXTY TWO THOUSANDS DOLLAR CHANCE on a guy who could, even if he doesnt produce, garner attention from the defense?
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
do you really think Owens would take coverage? NO
aging player, hasn’t seen the field in a year, perhaps hesitant due to recent injury, and media circus. Sorry, Owens is the risk. Hastings or Reuland are the safe choices
Don't think so...
Hastings and Reuland will garner minor attention from a player but are in no way accounted for in a game plan. TO is accounted for during gameplanning even if he hasn’t played in a year and is coming off surgery. You do not allow a possible future HoFer to step on the field and not have a plan for him.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sure he was accounted for during game planning at the very least...
A PS player who’s never taken a snap in the game; he will not be acocunted for and simply be picked up by the extra defender in coverage. Would you be OK as a HC or DC if you said we’ll just let whoever’s out there cover him and he gets a 5’ 10" CB lined up on him? That defender is pushed over at the LoS and it’s a free play to TO. You have to account for that in some way if you also have two other receivers you are committing two defenders to (Crabs, Davis).
Simply put, TO is a mismatch much like Davis is for defenses; much more so than Joe Hastings is going to be.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
On a completely blown coverage in week 2
It doesn’t compare that well. I’m talking about having a more reliable target on the field for a few plays per game at a critical point in the season.
And considering that Holley was dressed and on the sideline, no, he wasn’t a PS player, he made the 53 man roster and dressed for the game before they even lost Miles Austin. He was not a rookie undrafted who sat on the PS all year and was brought in for the most critical game your franchise has played in 10+ years.
It was a nice try though.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
OK, Wes Welker
but still, I can’t find a single instance of taking an old WR that hasn’t played in a year for the final game of the season so I can’t argue that this method worked well or not.
It couldn't hurt whats down-side other paying
for his airfare back-n-forth he’s a different type of 38 i just really believe in fate i’m not saying fate as far as we were going 2 let go of braylon n piakck up terrell i’m saying its the franchise that drafted him a team that wants 2 make it to the SB n heres this reciever who’s going 2 the HOF gets 2 shine n try n help us not just make it 2 the SB but win the SB this is they type of !$#% books are written on lol hell yea lets get him ifhe’s healthy!!!!
by Jayubb415rebirth on Dec 28, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
fate is not a reason to sign him
Vikings brought back Moss to disaster. You can bring him in for a tryout, but there are reasons not to.
How you know are you predicting
what 49ers future if they sign TO,he has a 100+TDS thats the reason 2 sign him first the fate comes in were we drafted him,he’s on his way out this may be his last shot thats where i was saying fate but if he wasnt as good as he is or was i don’t think anyone wouldn’t be talking about signing him if you don’t believe in fate thats on you just don’t piss on other people beliefs.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Dec 28, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
my apologies
I did not mean to offend. I am stating that the 49ers should only look at TO as they would any other player in the NFL. Not as a former icon of the 49ers.
Good guys actually WANT to play on Dallas' practice squad. Same with GB's
Guys didn’t want to be on our practice squad before this year.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 28, 2011 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
T.O. started 11 games last year and had 980 yards receiving
How many yards does our best receiver have now’? People over play this “he’s done” angle. Year before? 829 for Buffalo with Fitzpatrick learning to play the position. Year before that? 1052. Ok before that… 1355… Uh um every single year there is better than we’ve gotten from any WR on our roster.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 28, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
I like T.O. but to answer your question. Yes, Hastings and Reuland are Harbaugh choices,
they practice with the team each week, go the games, have learned the Offense so they could just fit in.
T.O. does not know the offense, the coaches, the players, except for Whitner. So it would take him longer to learn enough to play at a high level.
Now, if he gets a tryout and proves he can do it.. then yes, sign him.. but Harbaugh and company will bring in the WR or TE they feel will do the best job for them now.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I agree, but I'm also considering that neither of those players has taken a real snap in the NFL
Just because they practice with the team and coaches doesn’t necessarily make them the best choice. Not to compare our situation to theirs, but would the Raiders have gotten Palmer if that was the case? The player sitting around isn’t always the best option and I’d rather have the experienced vet to take 10-15 snaps a game for the playoffs over a PS player who’s never taken a snap in the NFL and doesn’t even catch passes from our starting QB in practice on a weekly basis. There is no chemistry between these PS receivers and Smith anyway, so why not bring in the more talented guy.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Don't forget Palmer was terrible his first couple games back.
I don’t think there is enough time for T.O. to get back on the field and contribute as he still needs to get used to the speed of the game again.
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Much different scenario...
A QB needs to dictate the entire playbook in the huddle and be able to adjust to pressure on the fly. None of that would be relevant to TO, who would only need to learn a handful of plays in which he already knows the route he needs to run and simply execute his role. And he’s not out there for every snap of the game either like the QB would. Like I said various times, he only needs to know 10-15 plays, and on some of them, his assignment would be to block for a running play.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Still not convinced
If it was the TO of 10 years ago…or even 5 years ago…sure. But I doubt he’s going to scare anyone with the wheels he’s got now. And if that knee were to give out against the Rams…then we’re back to square one.
I’d only take TO if (a) he did it for the vet minimum, (b) he kept his &*%^ mouth shut and © he catches everything thrown to him. If we’re going to take this kind of a risk, the least he can do is justify that risk.
Tell me how it's a risk
If we’re paying vet minimum and can cut him just like we did Braylon if he’s not productive.
by FearTheTree on Dec 28, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
We can do that with half a dozen vet receivers...so why TO?
It just seems to me that we’re talking about signing a name just to sign a name…a 38-year-old name coming off major knee surgery.
It’s almost like all of the people who clamored to replace Alex with Jeff Garcia…and conveniently forgot that Garcia’s really, really old now.
Caveat emptor, that’s all I’m saying.
Which available vet receiver is better than TO?
Please enlighten me, because I don’t think there is one.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
why do we need one?
one game with PS players and then your injured players come back. Might find a gamer on the PS
I'd rather wait until next year to see if they are that gamer...
You play to win now, not next year, and TO is the best available receiver for spot duty right now. I’m not advocating bringing him in on a multi-year deal, but right now, for a must-win game against the Rams and possibly as a spare target for the playoffs, I’d bring in TO over the guys who are just hanging around on the PS all year and might not even be practicing our playbook during regular practice.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
If we get TO its for the playoffs
this game we can lose and still get the 2. But if the injuries are too severe we need Owens now to get him in shape. I will accept getting TO if the injuries are worse than they let on.
Haven't heard 2 many people talking about terrells playoff exp n his
knowledge of the game you think he can’t pick out defenses that also helps alex n our younger recievers we hear so much of the alleged bone-head stuff but terrell is also smart n bust his ass in practice stuff young recievers need 2 learn n see not that their not doing it already.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Dec 28, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
No real need...
While he had a much better playing career, we already have a former WR with playoff experience on the staff.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
And there are other options...
Maybe Chris Chambers and Brian Finneran are not as good as TO, but they’re solid vets with experience.
Again, this seems like either an attempt to relive the “good old days” or just to sign a name. Prove to me that TO is as good as he was before, and I’ll agree.
It's not about if he is as good as he was before...
It’s if he is the best available option for a critical game. He is not taking 30-40 snaps, he will be taking 10-15 and even at 80% health he is likely a better player than the guys on our PS that most people are advocating getting promoted.
TO is the best option to come in and learn a few plays on short notice and then go out and either catch some passes or be a decoy. The players on our PS will not be accounted for at all, but you can’t put your 3rd CB who is 5’ 10" on TO, because it’s a losing match up.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Some of the BS we hear about terrell is coming from sports networks
n sports analyst that clearly don’t like him ahem “espn/skip bayless”i’m not saying terrell hasn’t helped his self 2 some of those things.Like the 49er stuff i hate 2 hear us get clumped in with philly n dallas because it just wasn’t on him there was jeff garcia stinking it up sometimes gregg knapp calling bs plays n moochie so it wasn’t all him its just that footage of him lmao yelling at knapp i think it was that minnesota game lmao its funny if you look at it now.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Dec 28, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
He caught for 1000 yards in 11 starts last year
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 28, 2011 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
ask for a workout
if he does it well sign him…
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I agree. It's all about the knee.
If the knee works, take a shot. Have a little meeting with him, let him know that while we’re glad to have him he’ll get cut in a half-second for any BS.
NO TO!!!!!!
Dude has the superbowl curse. Other than that, wouldn’t mind if he were signed for the vet min.
Really, super bowl curse....
Last I checked, the one SB he played in he put up great numbers after returning from a broken leg sustained 5 weeks earlier.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
it wasn't a broken leg - it was a sprained ankle
and for someone with his career stats to have never won a superbowl is a curse
Dan Marino has the curse too
so does Patrick Willis and Randy Moss…
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And Peyton Manning was cursed for 11 years....
Yes, because all great players need a SB win on their resume otherwise they are only average.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Hahaha...
You got that one. But, unfortunately for Brad and Trent, it’s not a vice-versa situation.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
According to the BBC
that’s “NFL Legend Brad Johnson”
precisely
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Still had a fracture at the time, just a few inches below the knee
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1950067
“Owens, who has 77 catches for 1,200 yards and the team-record 14 touchdowns, also has a fracture a few inches below his knee. But Burkholder still didn’t rule out the chance that Owens would be able to run in five weeks — the weekend of the NFC title game.”
by Nicholas Cannelora on Dec 28, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
same article
Star receiver Terrell Owens will miss the final two games of the regular season and the playoffs and possibly the Super Bowl because of a sprained right ankle, a devastating blow for a team that has lost three straight NFC title games.
read the espn article posted above
the surgical implant of a screw to fix the ligament sprain was the injury that slowed him down for the superbowl. And yes he did great, which is why I’m not opposed to signing him.
now let me hear you defend Alex Smith’s injuries with the same intensity
Wtf please you make no sense mcnabb fat-@$$ has the SB curse n not being
in-shape 2 run a 2minute offense dude was throwing up in the huddle n did the bengals have SB intentions n in dallas romo has a playoff curse it kind of sound like your just hating on terrell n if so step-up n say that but save that curse bs.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Dec 28, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
The craziest part of that Super Bowl
is that Todd Pinkston was playing out of his mind until he got hurt.
Think about that for a second.
Owens is in his 16th year and has never won the SB
not sure why everyone is freaking out cause I called it a curse. Face it, he’s been on more than one superbowl caliber team that didn’t make it. Bad luck, curse, call it whatever you want.
It was a broken leg
Not a sprained ankle.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 28, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously
The reason we brought braylon here was to add a tall/big deep threat receiver that could go up and contest balls in the red zone. That is exactly the kind of receiver TO is. Hastings? Swain? Are you kidding me? In this league, there is a reason they’re on the PS . . . TO had nearly 1000 yards last year. Plus it would be real cheap to add him at this point – I say why not? I’m tired of having a corp full of 5’10 guys.
by GetItHowYouLiveIt on Dec 28, 2011 10:42 AM PST reply actions
then theres a reason TO is still unemployed
last year is a long time ago and he had a surgery since then
Baldwin would be one of those practice squad guys if we had signed him
Practice squad players all over the league are making impacts. Why can’t it happen to us?
Baldwin could have made the roster with our piss poor receivers....
And please name me a PS player who is going to be stepping up to the 53 man roster for a playoff team outside of SF….. I don’t beleive you will find one.
With our first playoff game in 10+ years looming, I would rather have TO on the field for a critical 4th and 5 than Joe Hastings. No one will sway my decision otherwise.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Diamonds in the rough are out there
Look at Murray for the Cowboys. Hell, some noname ran all over the Packers last week for Chicago.
I'm pretty sure that Murray was a 2nd Round Draft Pick
Maybe a 3rd Round Draft pick.
In any case, he was the all time leading rusher from the University of Oklahoma and was a highly drafted player.
Hardly a diamond in the rough
Wrong on Murray, point is still valid
Thought he was nobody the way ppl talk about him – ok wrong on that.
Plenty of late round and UDFA all over the league making impacts, though.
Demarco Murray was a 2nd round pick last season.
You should have used Arian Foster but you’d be wrong there anyways. Arian Foster was regarded a 3rd round pick till fumble concerns made him slide out of the draft. Everybody knew he was talented but an issue made him go consciously undrafted. Same with Lagarrette Blount.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 28, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Yea thats regular season n how many PS players are making a impact i only know a few
he’s a big reciever who blocks well downfield last time i checked we do run the ball n he’s a big body n last time i checked weve been struggling down in the goal-line hell if we just get him to come in when weredown by the goal line would work.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Dec 28, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't matter what he's cool with...
This is the contract offer and this is your role on the team, if you don’t like it, go back to your couch. It’s really quite simple; this could be your last chance to play football, take it or leave it. We, or any other team, does not have to cater to TO anymore. He would be given a job with the intention that you will a specified role on this team and that’s it.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
That's cute
He will obviously say all the right things, that’s not the concern. It’s how he reacts later. I really don’t need this guy with even the slightest whisper in Alex’s ear about getting the ball more, because he only got 1 catch in our win over the Saints.
For a chance to win a Super Bowl?
You have to ask?
T.O, would demand the ball in the playoffs....
In his silly mind he would think its all about HIM showing the world he can still produce.
And the only possible way he does that is if the ball comes his way, a lot.
T.O. will get openly frustrated if Alex does not feed him the ball on a playoff stage TV viewing.
T.O. thinks this is his audition to get a job in 2012….but this aint about you T.O. not on our TEAM
I seriously doubt a lot of this. And if you bring him in for one game and he does it, you cut him. Nothing really lost…
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
are you not reading this? do you not understand?
if we sign him before the rams game, it will cost $62,000. YOU DON’T HAVE TO KEEP HIM THE REST OF THE YEAR.
if he plays well and isn’t a cancer, keep him at $62K a game. if he becomes a cancer, send him to the locker room at haltime and tell him to leave, and cut your losses.
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Do you know why T.O. has so many drops?
because he NEVER gives up on a pass! So, he’ll go for every ball thrown his way, even if it means he can only get a couple fingers on it (resulting in a “drop”).
Of all the things i’d NOT be concerned about… his effort is at the top of that list. He’ll give 100% still, just like he always did, because he learned that from G.O.A.T.
by Nicholas Cannelora on Dec 28, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
he NEVER came in after a year on the couch rehabbing from injury. Why not just sign Jerry then? He stays in shape
i believe jerry is ineligible to play because he’s in the HOF
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know where people get this from
It’s not factually correct.
His last two places he’s had worse QBs than Alex in Fitz (he played badly that season compared to this year’s Alex) and Palmer and didn’t bitch about it.
Plus we can cut him.
by FearTheTree on Dec 28, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
T.O. will get openly frustrated if Alex does not feed him the ball on a playoff stage TV viewing.
if i was harbaugh and signed him to a contract this is what i would say to him
“if you open your mouth once during the game, you will be sent to the locker room, pack up and go home, and retire, because no one will ever take you again”
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But if that happened it would waste a roster spot and leave us thinner at WR.
That being the case, there are more drawbacks to signing him than using a PS player.
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But if that happened it would waste a roster spot and leave us thinner at WR.
That being the case, there are more drawbacks to signing him than using a PS player.
No it wouldn’t, once he’s cut that spot becomes open and you could bring in your PS player
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I'm saying in the middle of the game.
And if he does it during the playoffs, if he is around that long, the Niners are screwed.
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by Joshuahss on Dec 28, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And what happens if you bring a PS guy up and he gets injured in the middle of the game.because he’s not use to game speed….Heres my thing..bring up 1 PS guy, and TO (For a workout 1st, if good then good) and cut Moran Norris..
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That would be the best bet actually...
Norris is completely expendable. But, I’d rather take TO as the first option over the PS guy.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
That’s what I was thinking.
Niners Nation on the Reservation
by kinglouie33 on Dec 28, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
HIS HANDS HAVE TO BE BETTER THAN GINN’S
come on. even if he can only run 10 yards, id much rather have him and relegate ginn to returners where he belongs than keep watching ginn frop ball after ball
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:48 AM PST reply actions
He spells hands this way.... me, me and me.
T.O, does not recognize TEAM
you’re right
ill take your word for it instead of the guy who was on his team for a year
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Seemed to do just fine in Buffalo and Cincy...
No complaints and put up good numbers for an aging WR.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
You are listening to the media. TO has been about himself in the past, but he’s also been a fine teammate for much of his career, especially the last couple years.
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
uhmmm. fine teammate...I guess all those teams that released did so out of good well
including the 9ers, Cowboys, Eagles….should I go on?
Yes, please go on.
Because after that he was fine. Cincy and Buffalo are who you left out. He was not an issue as a teammate there.
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
I could be wrong.
But I seem to remember Carson Palmer doing an interview when he said how much better it was to be the QB down the stretch last year when he didn’t have T.O. and Ochocinco always asking for the ball. I don’t think he is a cancer or anything anymore, but I don’t want him in Alex’s ear just in case.
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Sorry.
Not last year but whenever he was a Bengal.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
That was last year
why Carson Palmer got sick of palying there
In both cases those were one year contracts
He had to be on good behavior of be out of the league
are you kidding? you left out cinci and buffalo, where he became older and matured from being a kid. that’s his mindset right now
stop looking 5 years in the past and expect what you saw there
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
agree
TO has proven himself to not be a diva anymore. Unfortunately, the media never got the memo. I wish he had matured a decade ago
He had his problems here...
but you seem to forget that we could also not keep him for financial reasons. Our salary cap was a disaster and it forced us to part ways with Owens and Garcia. You’re skewing facts to fit your arguement. There is no proof that states we would have traded TO even if we weren’t in cap trouble.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
there’s no denying he was a complete diva with us, philly, and dallas. but he’s changed
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Dallas should have never let him go
tell him to shut up and play. He was great for them except for a little jealousy
The Eagles in hindsight wish they had released their sorry overrated QB that lost them 4 potential titles in 5 years they were the best team in the NFL
McNabb is one of the biggest playoff losers in the history of the NFL. TO called a spade a spade. History has proven him right.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 28, 2011 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
Pluse he's not scared n big enough 2 go across the middle you send ginn across the
the middle with his small frame he could get injured or just get aligator arms n give up a interception????
by Jayubb415rebirth on Dec 28, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
why is this even a discusion? seriously..........
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
because
TO and Donte Whitner made it a discussion.
by David Fucillo on Dec 28, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
with fooch with regards to the vet min contract, is that $62K per game? or $62K per week (like over byes in the palyoffs)
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Only for games played I believe...
No one gets a game check unless they play a game.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
edwards was most likely cut because he was unhappy; TO is doing everything he can to make his name relevant and will be a major distraction for the team. would not be surprised if whinter is asked to stop the TO stuff.
not going to happen; there is a greater chance the niners sign me to play wr than TO.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
because we have lost walker, KW, and braylon, and are looking to add one or two f’ing PRACTICE SQUAD WRs for a PLAYOFF RUN
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
KW and Ginn will be coming back
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This is important.
Do we want T.O. taking KW’s spot when he comes back? If somehow Walker does too, I think the team is better off just bringing up a PS player for the Rams game.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
Why would he take either of their spots? He wouldn’t. Crabs is gonna be the guy, assuming KW and Ginn are back for the playoffs they will split time as the #2, TO will be worked in here and there…
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
So that leaves T.O. as the 4th wideout.
Wouldn’t it be better for the team going forward to have a young players that low if it is likely they won’t be playing anyway. Plus they can play S.T. as well if need be. I just don’t think it is the best idea if it is likely that everyone will be healthy. The team doesn’t run a lot of 3 or 4 WR sets as is.
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But Crabs is the only WR that takes just about every WR snap. The rest rotate. TO would be in that rotation, that is all…
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
^This
TO would walk right into the position that Edwards was; taking around 10-15 snaps a game and being a contributor. I do not see why there’s even a discussion about using Hastings for that role over a future HoFer.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, but what about Hastings play or current contributions say he's anything more than PS fodder for 3 years until he's ineligible?
I’m confident in Harbs and Baalke, but we’re talking about the first playoff game for us in 10 years. I’m going to trust a guy who played at a HoF level or at least was a very good player in his day over a guy who is only a PS player.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
I'm starting to soften and I can see your point
my belief is that our players will return with the rest and ready to contribute. I am scared that TO is not the same player as before and could be worse than a PS player but gets elevated by reputation alone. That media circus is also coming and we have enough to deal with.
If its for the playoffs, yes. I would prefer someone who has been there.
Yes, this is my point...
I’m not concerned with the media aspect. As it stands, we will be only one of 8 teams remaining to talk about unless some team fires their HC or someone else that week. It’s the playoffs and we’re hosting a game; it will be a media circus no matter what.
Perhaps said PS player does bring more to the table right now, but I wouldn’t completely dismiss TO for some of the things said. If he’s healthy, he has experience that the PS players do not. Of course the knee is a major factor, but we also have to consider that this will be for limited snaps. I think that TO can contribute more in a handful of plays, on a shortened prep period, than a rookie PS player who only had one full week of practice with the starting offense.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Because none of us know what T.O. has left.
Or how healthy he is. Formerly great players are normally the last to know that they no longer have it, and I just don’t think bringing him in so late will be the best idea. Hastings has been on the roster, knows the offense and will be less likely to get into Alex Smith’s ear about getting the damn ball.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
We're talking about 10-15 plays a game...
TO is not going to be brought in to take 30+ snaps a game; and that will be made clear from day 1. He’s going to have situational plays and asked to contribute on those set plays, that is all. I’m not saying to FedEx the guy a contract without determining his playing condition, but I can’t fathom completely dismissing him because he is TO or that has had surgery. We’re already essentially committed to bringing back Morgan who has a ton of screws holding his leg together, so why not test TO’s health?
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not completely dismissing him.
I would not be upset if they sign him. I just think he isn’t the best option at this point.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
I’m not sure most of us are sure he is the best option either. Just advocating it is at least worth the look to find out if he may be viable.
With it being Wed. already that may not happen anyway though.
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
I won't disagree.
It is worth a look for a workout. But this late in the season and late in the week I just think it won’t work out.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
I still think that he would be able to contribute more than a PS player if he's healthy
The PS are generally running scout team plays during practice, so these players aren’t consistantly practicing our playbook. TO, in my opinion, would be able to contribute more after coming in with limited reps and knowledge of the playbook.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
True, but this is still the best look IMO
15 … …(10)… … [74 77 59 68 76] 85 … … TO
… … … … … … … … … 11
… … … … … … … … …(49)
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by Nicholas Cannelora on Dec 28, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
I have no idea what the numbers mean
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he’s saying the player numbers, duh
but he has 12 men on the field. you can’t have 3 WRs, a TE< and a fullback dude. if you have basiclaly 4 WRs, you don;y need a damn FB out there. we all know you;re passing
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I’m guessing the parentheses for KW and Miller were an either or?
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
oh maybe.
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
oh
ya I see it now…
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If anything, TO is the 3rd receiver
He’s highly unlikely to be better than KW and won’t be in game shape to play every down
KW will be on the sidelines because he won't clear concussion tests
I think TO would do better than a player on the inactive list
I think the team is cautious and holds him out against the Rams.
But there is no way you could possible know for sure he won’t pass the tests at this point.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
The Rams are still an NFL team
and we have 2 healthy receivers on the roster. Honestly, we need him for the Rams game MORE than for the playoffs. Would be nice to have crabtree, TO (if healthy), Swain, Hastings and Reuland for the Rams. Not a great group, but enough of a threat to keep a couple guys out of the box.
The Rams are horrible
I think the Panthers have a better chance to take down NO then us losing to the Rams.
The Rams beat New Orleans
so you shouldn’t be counting wins before they hatch.
N.O, is likely to play to get Brees the passing record – with Carolina’s defense being horrible a blowout is possible – otherwise, Brees will be going full out to get the record
Brees already has the record
And don’t sleep on Carolina. They’ve been really hot recently, and Cam Newton can do things against anyone. If the game was in Carolina, they’d have a real shot. I still think the Saints win because they’re unbeatable at home, so it’s up to us to take care of business.
I'm just a simple Giants fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 28, 2011 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Tom Brady's actually close enough
to the record that Brees could potentially lose it one week after setting it if he doesn’t put up at least decent numbers
For the Rams…really? Wow. That team is beyond garbage and probably won’t start Bradford. Our team would have to implode to lose this game with our conservative approach, which would highly unlikely rest with a single WR.
The Rams kicked the crap out of the Saints...
You get complacent, you lose football games; see: 2011 @ AZ.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
So don't play complacent?
You’re going to pretend that the WR will be responsible for the O-Line allowing a huge number of sacks or a pedestrian backup QB to generate multiple TDs?
In case you haven't realized...
we still have to win the Rams game in order to get the #2 seed and an extra week to get guys healthy. And the Rams, despite their record and futility this year, did actually beat the Saints who everyone is absolutely terrified of playing in the Superdome. You know them, that’s the team we are competing with for that #2 seed. And if you forgot, we were also supposed to beat a “weak” Cardinals team on their field, which didn’t turn out so well.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
Today is Weds, and if they brought T.O. in and signed him today, he would have only 2 practices to learn the playbook and be ready for the game against the Rams. This is a must win game, whoever they bring in has to be able to contribute and not just on 10 or 15 plays.
At this point in the week, especially with Walker down for a while and maybe the rest of the year, I would say Reuland would be the best bet. They need the blocking that Walker was doing and the possible receiving threat, and Reuland can do both. Harbaugh is very familiar with Reuland’s play from Stanford and also at practices this year. Hopefully WIlliams and Ginn are both back by the first playoff so we wouldn’t need the WR as much going forward.
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Man you’re worked up
Cards >>>>>>>> Rams
I have zero concern about losing that game with Crabs and Swain starting, plus whoever they want to plug in. If our team goes retarded and commits 4 turnovers or something to lose, then no receiver will matter (unless it’s that guy with 2+ turnovers).
OK well despite the depleted secondary....
Brett Swain is not scaring anyone and Alex isn’t exactly Rodgers who can play with High School kids and make them look like all-stars. They are going to double Crabs and Davis and bring pressure on Smith; who’s going to be forced to throw to Swain or the other scrub that’s brought up. Don’t expect us to trample them so easily.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
The goal isn't to scare people
It’s to play competent, well rounded football. I think we’ve proven, if nothing else, we can win without superstar receivers. I wonder how many more points we’d score if we didn’t waste so many snaps on Braylon over KW.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about
TO is probably in better shape right now than 95% of the league.
Crabs as a rookie was in game-shape coming off a contract holdout. TO as a long time professional notorious for being a workout madman isn’t gonna be ready? yah right
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 28, 2011 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
braylon did not catch anything all year, walker will probably be back for the playoffs and also has not done much........................
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Damm ive never seen a dude who gets in NO trouble off the field yea i know
he’s made some of those problems his damm self but damm that was old people need 2 get over that his last 2 stops he made no problems at all.And if he had a chance 2 losing up in buffalo freezing n knowing your not going 2 the playoffs watching a reciever that is like your equal as far as stats go(randy moss) have success in your same division n you play against them twice n watch them go 2 the playoffs n still didn’t bitch n moan,n then go play with the bengals n lose like 50 games in a row n still don’t bitch n moan.To now having a chance 2 play 4 a team thats going 2 the playoffs n wants 2 play in the SB n actually has the talent 2 make it there,he would be a fool2 !#%#-up a chance like this his career would really be over
by Jayubb415rebirth on Dec 28, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Yup , gotta love Harbaugh and his brash thinkin" either your a Blue Collar TEAM guy or get the F-- outta here ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Also, TO's always been an asset as a blocker
by FearTheTree on Dec 28, 2011 10:54 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
One of the best blocking WR's of all time, imho.
And Garrison Hearst and the 1998 Jets defense agree.
"It came down like a punt, Coach!"
- Josh Morgan, in reference to a Shaun Hill "deep" ball.
He's Motivated
I think he would bring something to the table because he desperately wants to play another couple years.
but i don’t think he would be a Harbaalke type signing for this team. I think they’d rather bring someone off the practice squad that knows the playbook. That way they make the statement that even if you’re not on the team, if you work hard they will reward you when opportunity knocks.
That’s the kind of leadership that keeps strong team morale.
Still, the Niners receivers have not been a productive lot and TO would likely be productive.
T.O.
The only 49er that could possibly be debated about as much as Alex Smith…and still doesn’t come close.
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I think he is washed up and is now begging on twitter
by Critical Roach on Dec 28, 2011 10:57 AM PST reply actions
he’s “begging” because he feels he deserves a shot given he’s one of the best WRs in history
if anyone deserves the chance to “beg” for an old team that desperately needs help at WR, its him
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
He wouldn't have to beg if he hadn't created so many problems in the first place.
He was a great WR but I don’t know if that holds true anymore.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
Well you can't make that assumption until you see him back on the field
because the last time he was on the field he looked pretty good you see thats my problem with it if your talking about not bringing him because of his past so be it its weak but so be it but not on his age or performance because his last time with pads on he looked pretty good 4 a old WR.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Dec 28, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
The only reason I would not bring him in has nothing to do with his attitude.
The 49ers just don’t need another target with suspect hands right now. They need a solid receiver who will catch everything around them, even if they get no RAC.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 28, 2011 10:59 AM PST reply actions
They need a solid receiver who will catch everything around them
yeah lol, we definitely have that on our practice squad. wes welker is on our practice squad everyone!
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
That's the thing.
We don’t know how our PS players will respond unless they are thrown into the fire. I just don’t know if that is more of a risk than signing T.O. considering how important the games are.
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dont you think we’d know by now if our PS players are worth it? it’s week 17. if they were any good they would have been promoted over braylon edwards right?
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Not necessarily.
Some players are better in games than in practice, and others just need an opportunity. There are literally tons of players who have stepped up after an injury even though they weren’t that highly thought of. It is a big risk, but with KW and Ginn likely coming back for the playoffs I don’t think its a bad gamble for one game against the Rams.
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Do they even practice our playbook?
No, they likely contributing on the scout team and are practicing opposing teams’ playbooks. And they are catching passes from our 2nd and 3rd QB, not Alex Smith. They have just as much chemistry with the team as TO or anyone else who hasn’t been on the starting roster all year.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Your reply has nothing to do with my point, but thanks
They still need to play in real games to see what they’ve got. Same with TO. We have no idea if he’s got what it takes and a few practices won’t prove anything either. TO will have to play to see what he’s got.
TO is a veteran who has played for 10+ years...
If he’s healthy, then he has taken more snaps in one game than both of the PS receivers combined for their career. You do not trot our some PS receivers in the playoffs to “see what they’ve got.” It’s a good to get sent home early.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
I'd say no.
I’m not worried about the team chemistry or media circus, but more the effect it would have on Alex Smith if T.O. is chirping in his ear for the ball. I think part of the reason there haven’t been a ton of Ints this year is because Smith isn’t locked on to one target all the time. It’s fine for Whitner to say he is a great teamate, but I wonder what his O.C. and QB would say. I know he can be cut if he acts up, but I don’t want to take that chance on a must-win game. The only way the team loses to the reams is if Smith has a meltdown and throws several picks. If there was a guarantee that wouldn’t happen I’d be ok, but I don’t think that is possible.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
Can we STOP disrespecting the WR's who got us to the party!
Crabtree, Ginn, Williams, and Vernon did enough to get us here.
I dont think they would appreciate someone like a T.O. or whatever, coming in now just as they enter the playoffs to take snaps from them in the playoffs.
Come On…have some faith in the guys who got us here….and by the way in case you have not notice Crabtree, Ginn, Williams all getting better by the week.
I trust Harbaugh….he did not invite ANY outside WR in for a tryout on Tuesday….What Does That TELL you about T.O. or any other outside WR?
In case you haven’t noticed KW and Ginn are both currently injured…
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Harbaugh has more insight....why do you think he DID NOT look
at other WR’s on Tuesday.
Tuesdays are teams try out days….the 49ers had NOBODY in….what does that signal to you?
That he knows more about the injuries, of course…In the meantime there’s no reason for us not to discuss it. We’ve presented reasons for our opinions, you just keep spouting stuff repeated from the media over the last 10 years.
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
And we all know the FACTS from 49ers-Cowboys-Eagles, etc...
why T.O. is NO longer onn their teams, right?
That was a long time ago.
I don’t think he should be brought in either, but citing his time with those three teams is virtually irrelevant at this point.
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This is useless…
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
No you can’t separate from the fact that we are just fans discussing possible options, we aren’t saying this is what will happen or that Baalke or Harbaugh should listen to us.
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
what you are saying
is the past really has no relevance. So what he did is SF, PHI, and DAL is useless. Yet you want him based on past performance
No
Don’t put words in my mouth
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
When did I ever say I wanted him on past performance?
My opinion is well documented on this page. He would be in the WR rotation the 49ers have used all year after Crabs.
BigMar just keeps spouting nonsense he heard from the media 4-5 years ago that isn’t true anymore, and some that was debatable even then…
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
But you are assuming he will be good based on past performance.
Despite him suffering an injury which normally restricts players for a bit even after they return. Not to mention a guy who is not in “football shape” and does not know the offense. Expecting him to make an impact at this point is a stretch.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
I give up
Why is this so difficult for people. Stop putting words in my mouth. I’ve never said he’d be good, I’ve never said I’m expecting him to make an impact. I’m not assuming anything.
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
You are right.
My bad. I mistakenly lumped you in with the others who are saying T.O. would come in right away and definately be a better option, I apologize.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
Because adding a player to the 53 from the practice squad
Requires clearing the waiver process. IIRC — 24 hours.
Every team with a worse record than us — everybody but Green Bay — can put in a waiver claim for anyone we try to activate from the PS.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Uh no you are wrong:
A team can promote a player from its practice squad to its 53-man roster simply by signing him to new contract. But to go the other way, to demote him, the team has to actually cut the player and then re-sign him. That involves putting him on “waivers.”
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
And here is straight from the CBA
http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/General/2011_Final_CBA_Searchable.pdf Pages 160
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
what he said
and we can sign anyone from any other PS
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Wow
That was a pretty big mistake.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
No big deal
Not the first time you were wrong
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Won't be the last either
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I don't think its disrespect.
Its insurance in case one or more of those players suffers a setback. I don’t think it is a great idea, but it is something which should be looked at if there is any way the injured players aren’t able to recover in time.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
Yea
No one is disrespecting anyone.
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
“disrespect”? oh come on
there’s no damn disrespect. right now our healthy “receivers” are crabs, ginn (who a lot of people dont like as a WR and want him as returner instead), vernon, and what, brett swain and some PS guys. having TO as insurance/backup isnt disrespecting them at all
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
ginn is healthy?
I thought he was still down
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oh yeah thats right, his ankle
okay so vernon and crabs? thats all? but yeah, lets keep brett swain and bring in hastings over terrell owens
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
That decision is likely to bite you....
I’d take a future HoFer over a guy who has never taken a snap in the regular season and doesn’t even catch passes from Smith in practice. Choosing Hastings over TO as a #4 receiver is just idiotic.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Only if you look at past performance.
But there are different variables to taking on T.O. right now which might mean that signing him would be more idiotic. I don’t think you can make that statement without the guarantee that he is healthy and will immediately learn the offense.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
then Coach Harbaugh and uber-GM are idiots
they have made no mention of signing him. If they do not sign him then they must be idiotic, right?
in the HOF
ineligible
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
he can still play
but he has to wear the gold jacket while doing so
by mcwagner on Dec 28, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe the Niners could sign...
“Jeremy Rice”…? Wink wink, nudge nudge.
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Roger Craig still runs marathons
He’s been known to line up at every position.
FB
RB
TE
WR
Lets do it!
by Critical Roach on Dec 28, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Bringing T.O. to workout
The 49ers did not attend TO’s workout in late July, but I actually think bringing him in for a workout would be simply doing their due diligence. He is an option and it would be smart to at least kick the tires and see if he can still bring something to the table. If they don’t think he can, so be it. If he can though, there’s potentially upside there for this offense.
I couldn’t agree with this more. I have mixed feelings about bringing him back, but I’d still like them to at least check him out… Either way, I couldn’t trust Balke and Harbaugh any more than I already do.
my opinion, like anyone cares
bring up a PS player. This is an easy game, it really should be. We get an early lead, then rest the starters and use it as a preseason game to see what we have for next year. Then we roll into the playoffs with healthy players that have been with us all year. How does TO fit into any of this?
This is what I'm thinking too.
I wouldn’t riot if T.O. is brought in, but I just don’t think it is the best option at this point. I do agree with E-Train in that I trust what Harbaalke are doing either way.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
practice squad player
You’ll still need to replace a practice squad player with someone off the streets. It doesn’t have to be T.O., but at the very least you’d need to sign someone like Brett Swain to replace him, right?
I just don’t see anything wrong with bringing him in for a workout. I’d be fine with filling the roster spot with Joe Hasting and signing some other P.S. player, though.
my point being
that there is just too much risk of distraction for a player that is just taking a roster spot for one meaningless game. Give someone else a chance that can be a Wes Welker then give a chance for someone to become the Seahawks’ Jerry Rice
You are closer to reality here, then all those crying for T.O.
And coach Harbaugh actions to date, indicate your opinion just maybe correct.
No one is closer or farther from anything, it is just a discussion about the options available. That is all, stop making this be about more than what it is.
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
No
You continue to assert Harbaugh won’t do this and that your opinion is correct, when that has nothing to do with the discussion really.
Don’t you have some random irrelevant stats to find and post?
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Yep... Im strognly of the opinionHarbaugh wont sign T.O.
so you have that correct.
I tend to lean that way too, but it has nothing to do with discussing it as an option.
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by Virginia9er on Dec 28, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
I would argue this is not a long-term question though.
Once you make theplayoffs the ONLY goal is to win the Super Bowl. I expect Harbaugh to do whatever is needed to give the team the best chance to do just that.
Injuries create unique issues/risks/opportunities. It’s a tough call. It does seem that he likely has something in mind otherwise it makes little sense to have released Edwards.
by ColoradoNiner on Dec 28, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
You are anticipating then that we get no more injuries in a football game?
An easy game? Rest starters? You have been paying attention this season, right? This is a team that beat NO, who we are currently fighting for the right to have an extra week off. Also, our offense has been terrible at times. I’d bet the over that our starters play a full 4 quarters considering the circumstances.
And then we can take into account that if one of our receivers re-injures himself we are absolutely and totally screwed.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
true, injuries happen
if NO loses to 6-9 Panthers, we need to beat 2-13 Rams (currently at the bottom of the league) without their top two QBs. If Carlos Rogers gets hurt we are more screwed, should we start signing old CBs?
I think the point is..
We are already thin at WR given the injuries to Ginn and Williams. It seems like they may be back sooner than later, but you never know.
Lets assume that they are still hurt… We are 1 injury away from Swain as our #1.
and that would suck, I agree
but injuries happen, can’t prevent that. Get the early lead and rest the starters. If NO loses then we are #2 no matter what.
NO is 1 injury away from Chase Daniels being the starter.
Im anticipating that Coach Harbaugh knows what he is doing.
and right now, he is electing not to do what this thread is discussing the team do.
I find it interesting that no mention of someone being brought up from PS today...
Baalke probably trying to put some deal together on the cheap…
Remember patience.
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by AzNiner on Dec 28, 2011 11:26 AM PST via Android app reply actions
Before we get ourselves into a hissy fit
(Too late, I see), I think we need to separate two things: T.O. the player, and T.O. the person.
The first question should be whether the player still has it, in terms of the elite ability that has previously made him great. If he does not, end of story.
Then, IF he does, the coaching staff will do what they think is best, not what any of us on here clamor for the loudest.
Clutchtree, I can’t help but be amused that you, who views everything through the most pessimistic lens possible, is so optimistic about Mr. Owens.
My feelings on the matter are that he was a supremely talented jerk during his heyday. He may still be one or the other of those things, or he may be neither. I’m interested only if we can get the production without the difficulty, and I suspect that, for one reason or another, that is not likely.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 28, 2011 11:29 AM PST reply actions
OH NO's IT HAS SNOWBALLED!!
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
Naaa, more like Drew Rosenhaus!!
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 28, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Lets consider this in a rational manner...
Do we risk moving into the playoff with the WR corps we have left after injuries and assume we may be getting some players back and that they will be fully healthy?
That seems risky.
So, then do we promote up from the practice squad or look outside?
I say both need to be considered.
We have Crabs, Williams and Ginn and the latter two are injured.
I would look at signing a FA to replace Edwards and bring up a WR from the PS.
I would consider TO at this point depending on who else may be available. I did not like him at the end of his time with the Niners and for years afterward, but I really see little downside. He has great hands and instincts. He could be a great option in traffic and with both him and Crabs on the field it creates an issue for defenses as to how to cover both…
Yup…plus, I am not worried about TO struggling to learn the playbook. 1) He has ridden the “NFL bicycle” for years, and it will come right back to him; 2) He would be a situational player, so it wouldn’t be hard to tell him what to do, and 3) The Niners’ offense isn’t all that complicated anyway.
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yay!...sign the man...!!
Give him a workout
If he’s healthy, let him get a few looks against the Rams
People don’t realize we have 1 TRUE healthy wide receiver in Crabtree and we have Swain who barely got any reps this year.
If TO proves he’s still got it in the Rams game, then keep him!!!
David Akers is the Tebow of kickers
With it being Wednesday
I find it hard to believe hes at the Rams game. Too bad this all didnt happen last week
Moss has shown a willingness to play like Edwards all too often - pass.
by ColoradoNiner on Dec 28, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
theres no need for T.O
Were playing the rams and all were going to do is run the ball with probably kendal hunter &play good defense and run maybe a one or two wide reciever set. We will win this game and let walker and williams get healty with our 1st round bye. No need for T.O
by LA#1BullsFan on Dec 28, 2011 11:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions
The assumption is that they will be *fully* healthy in time for the playoffs.
Once we get there, the competition will be fierce and there will be no room for less-than-ideal play by everyone on the team.
by ColoradoNiner on Dec 28, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
yeah
Im assuming the worst with Walker. I think hes done. Im no doctor and dont know. Just seems like it. If he were to come back its a superbowl game
I posted this in a different article
But I think its worth repeating.
T.O actually has a good attitude now, hes been quite, just wants a chance. The problem with him is that he could still be hurt
Moss on the other hand is healthy. But his attitude lately has sucked. He was quite when on the Patriots so maybe he just needs a winner.
Between the 2 though Ill take T.O. I think he realizes hes out of chances and would be so grateful for the chance he would go all out. And with the fact that its only 4 games. I think the injury might not be a huge deal.
Pretty much sums up my thoughts.
TO would be at his absolute best in order for a chance to get the the big dance one more time.
by ColoradoNiner on Dec 28, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Only reason I mention Moss
Is that hes in better physical shape. Hes a nightmare though in the locker room. But like I said.. He seems like someone who will shut up if the W’s keep coming. How much could he talk when he knows he has a shot at a ring he didnt earn
I understand mentioning Moss
but I wouldn’t cross the street for him. Owens with a missing leg is a more viable option to me than Moss
A lot of people are quick to bag on T.O. but....
a) The Niners team he was on was on the cusp of disaster….. can’t really blame him for the financial salary cap mess/hell that the organization was under and they literally blew it up! They let a lot of players go not just Garcia, T.O. and etc….. yeah maybe he should’ve handled it better but cmon can you blame him? He was drafted onto a team w/ Jerry Rice, Steve Young and all those Pro Bowlers. He knew the OLD NINER way. The new ownership initially failed to continue this.
b) What has Donovan McNabb done since he left Philly? You can question TO for turning on his QBs but I’ve never heard him question Steve Young’s ability. Maybe he was just calling it as it is/was!
c) Romo. LOL. He cried for this dude. I still don’t get it.
Anyways what is done is done. If dude can help I say come and bust your ass. He definitely knows how to. Who knows maybe Jim Harbaugh can rejuvenate his career. He did it w/ Alex Smith! Why not? Things really do come full circle. Just wish TO would’ve been a little more mature about handling everything but he was just young, brash and really immature. Handling the media was never his strong point. If anything he was a shy reclusive dude when he was drafted. I don’t have anything against TO.
Hope the real Niner Faithful aside from all the dumb comedic jokes can be serious for a second and make serious consideration and thoughts on here.
by 49er Faithful925 on Dec 28, 2011 12:03 PM PST reply actions
PS this would be just for the rest of this season/playoffs....
not like the team would bring him back for a new contract!
by 49er Faithful925 on Dec 28, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think there have been many "dumb comedic jokes" here.
But the media circus following him and questions about his health are perfectly logical. If he is brought in for a workout and the team signs him, I’m ok with that. But I don’t think he can come in and contribute in such a short time.
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hard to rejuvenate a 38 year old's career
serious. He is old. He is recovering from severe injury. He has a media circus. He has not played football for a year. He does not have our playbook.
He learned the ropes in a WCO
I doubt he’d have a difficult time learning the small amount of the WCO currently installed…
by ColoradoNiner on Dec 28, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
terminology
its been a long time, and every playbook is different. There is still four other valid facts
jerry rice
he is a student of rice and at 38 rice could run circles around anyone in terms of conditioning he is in shape just give the man a helmet and we have our redzone threat at least enough to open up other lanes for other players at the min.
Expecting him to make that big of a difference would be a bit much.
Under ideal circumstances he might be able to contribute a little, but I don’t think he would open up any lanes until he proves he still has something left. And being in good shape as opposed to football shape are very different things.
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T.O
were talking here a 15 year vet who has gotton it done at the the highest level each time he stepped on the field. he def would be threat to open lanes he exp proves his worth ever cordinator of defense knows damn well they would need to put there top corner if not double team T.O.
This is just not true anymore.
He is 38 and coming off of a major knee surgery. I highly doubt any team the Niners play would double team him or put their best CB on T.O. Crabtree, V.D. and Gore are all bigger threats at this point than he is.
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i disagree
the man is a beast even caught 8 touchdown passes with cinci the last time he played with no qb over there he can play and knee sugery now adays is not what is used to be gore has had both his knees blown out before he ever even came to the nfl people wrote him off in the draft now he our all time leading rusher.
but was with the team and had all year to shake off the rust
Owens was injured THIS year. Jerry was injured, sat all year rehabbing during the season and came back the following year. Not the same year like Owens is doing. And also with a new team altogether, not the same team he was with for over a decade
wrong
jerry came back same season and injury himself again in a game against the dever broncos cacthing a touchdown pass. just 9 weeks after blowing
out his knee.
Yup you're completely incorrect
And Rice is not in the same galaxy of physical freak that TO is. Rice was the best ever but not the same caliber athlete. It’s like comparing Wayne Gretzky to Peter Forsberg. Both great… one was the most skilled to ever play. The other was a way more physical dynamic athlete but still not as good. But I’d have picked Forsberg to be back from an injury much sooner. (except for his ruptured spleen)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 28, 2011 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
JJ Stokes was a student of Rice too
Playing with Jerry Rice does not equal being Jerry Rice. Also, Rice was with his team for years, not two practices and missing a full season with knee surgery.
TO may command more defense attention.
I think he is still an amazing athlete.
Lol!!! Come on dude
You think one of our practice squad schlubs is the same caliber of blocker of one of the greatest blocking WRs in NFL history? That is just a joke.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 28, 2011 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
Remember when SF brought in Haley for that playoff game against GB?
Same thing was said about him….. many didn’t think he could contribute in such a short time…. but I think he helped out at least for that day.
Besides he’d be a threat if anything…. a name…. a body…. someone IF he can still run routes that opposing defenses would have to consider…..
Think back to that Detroit game…. DeLaine or Vernon mentioned something to the effect that Vernon was doubled up on that GW TD pass…. I dkn if TO is an answer but instead of just writing him off I think they should just think about it. Bring him in.
by 49er Faithful925 on Dec 28, 2011 12:11 PM PST reply actions
T.O.
flat out the a threat on the field. top 5 of all time of any reciever with the ball in his hands the man is a gamer and one tough guy. if we keep him in a closet so he cant talk then release him on sundays the guy is unstoppable. not to mention what our other young wideouts could pick up from him would be pricless.
Thinking of that.
TO will not have time to poison the team, he will command attention on the game day, and he will shut up and play #3.
That could work, even if he makes a catch a game.
That would certainly bring the media attention up the wazoo.
Discussion over
Maiocco reporting that Hastings and Matthews are going to compete for the vacant spot.
I still think that TO is the best option to bring in for spot time over the next few weeks, Harbaugh has earned my confidence in making the roster decisions with the way the team has played. I can only hope that a critical pass doesn’t go to the noob and they drop it or else I’m coming back with a big, fat I-told-you-so.
I figured as much...
And I don’t mind it
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 28, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Amen
I always thought that Fooch had better chance of playing WR for Harbaugh than TO. Fans are still in the 1994 hire-an-aging-gun mode. It goes against everything that HarBaalke is trying to build here.
by Mood_Indigo on Dec 28, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Not true in my case...
I’m all for the Baalke/Harbs way, but this is a major problem one week before the playoffs. I personally thought that bringing in a veteran with 10+ years experience was a better idea in this case than promoting a PS player to take roughly 10-15 snaps a game; and possibly less than that for the noob since he doesn’t have any playing experience.
I’m sure that a veteran QB would rather have an experienced veteran to throw to as his 3rd or 4th option over a guy who is a rookie. Example: Rodgers would likely prefer to throw to Driver over Cobb in a critical situation. I would have to imagine that Alex would be more confident to throw one up for grabs to TO than Joe Hastings with the game on the line.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Respectfully disagree
TO brings absolutely nothing to the Niners. Even if I overlook his selfish personality which goes contrary to the Niners’ ethos, his experience is useless at this stage. He would be busy learning (unsuccessfully, in my opinion) a new offense in two weeks. He will have zero time to impart anything useful to the players. In any case, i don’t see him teaching anything to the players that the coaches can’t. He’s not known to be a teacher like the way Justin Smith or Spikes or other recent veterans have been. Even great players such Rice and Bruce did not spend any time proactively helping the young receivers when with the Niners.
by Mood_Indigo on Dec 28, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he would be helping other players...
He would be given a condensed playbook to learn with familiar routes and told that he will run a few plays every game. The only issue would be chemistry and timing with the QB, which neither of the PS WRs have either, so the experienced veteran is the better choice in my opinion. Just think TO is more likely to make a good catch when you need one than a rookie who has never taken a snap.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
But he has 10+ years playing experience in the NFL...
Hastings and Matthews have a combined 0 snaps in the NFL. Say what you want, but I’ll put my money on the veteran in that situation.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Sure, but is there a better option available?
We didn’t want Chamber or Housh or any of the other veterans, so why now and they’re lesser players if all compared on past performance. All contingent on TO being healthy.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I actually really like TO...
I’ve always liked him, as a player, and his personality just makes me laugh. I think the bigger issue with bringing in TO would be the media distraction. Should the Niners sign TO, a media storm would invade the Niners, and could really distract the team from the task at hand (clinching the bye, then winning playoff games). All the chatter would be about TO…and the Niners would no longer come in under the radar. I think that’s the bigger issue over bringing TO in, not any potential locker room issues (of which I believe there would be none).
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 28, 2011 12:40 PM PST reply actions
what do the niners
have to lose? If he plays well, awesome. If not, we lost pennies trying to get a spark at WR.
No TO
Why would they consider TO ? The only ones to show up when he put on his ‘show’ of how he has come back from his knee injury was the media and even they said he could not cut ar full speed. Not to mention he would pout if things did not go his way. How soon some forget his dust ups with Jeff Garcia. I say if you are going for a number one reciever call up Randy Moss.
You lost me at:
if you are going for a number one reciever call up Randy Moss.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
No one is advocating either for a #1 receiver anyway…
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Run the ball
We can beat teams in the flat if we have to. Run and ball control with field position. Vernon Davis will step up.
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Nice run last weekend
And a running touchdown
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Didn't the team run for like 178 yards against the Seahawks?
They struggled against the Cards, but besides that they haven’t been that bad on the whole. The Steelers game also comes to mind but they are an excellent run D. Gore hasn’t been getting 100 years but I think that has more to do with them using other players more. They had 140 against the Rams.
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We've been facing defenses that pack the box
And STILL been getting yards… see 170+ vs the Seahawks.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 28, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
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At worst
It would be nice to mend fences with a future HoFer. Bring him back into the fold.
Terrell Owens is like one of those crazy chicks that you dated in High School
And they are trying to contact you on Facebook and Twitter and by calling all your friends and begging you to talk to them and promising they changed.
Do I need to say more? If they were crazy then, what about all these actions makes them seem less crazy now???
I’ll say it again: How does Terrell Owens not seem like a crazy stalker in this situation? If he’s changed, I don’t see as it’s for the better, just a different crazy. You don’t revisit the past with a crazy chick.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
by Pat Willie on Dec 28, 2011 1:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
How was he crazy?
The organization was F*cked up back then…and they let one of the best WR at the time leave for peanuts
David Akers is the Tebow of kickers
Do you remember his conflict with Jeff Garcia?
If it smells like a rat, etc. And his problems with Donovan, and the Cowboys? Who is the link between all those situations? I’m not saying he hasn’t been better his last two stops, but he was the definition of an attention hungry diva with those three teams.
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But he's not attention hungry anymore
Just because he scheduled his own televised workout before his injury was 100% healed…Would you accuse him of desperate for attention?
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
You don't go back to the chick that screwed you over
No matter how much she begs
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
But usually that girl has some good-good so you get a little taste then you leave
thats what us men do.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Dec 28, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
So you think Terrell has a good-good?
What you are describing is what boys do, not what men do. Men don’t go backwards, they go forwards – they move on to fresh new and better things.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
If they're dumb.
If they’re smart they get what they want out of it and keep her number around to throw her a bone if things sour.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Preach,preach you had jeff garcia throwing "wounded-ducks"left n right n those WDs
couldn’t fly over 30yards you had gregg knapp who called offenses like he was sleeping (by the way he followed jim mora jr 2 atlanta got fired n then seattle n got fired) n then theres moochie “enough said”"
by Jayubb415rebirth on Dec 28, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
That doesn't change the fact that Terrell acts like a Diva
He wasn’t worth the trouble then, and he’s not worth the trouble now.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
He WAS worth the trouble then
and that, as a NFL-clinger that he now is, he has no leverage to be a self-centered prick.
Not to mention the freak Julian Peterson
and Andre Carter our lat double digit sack artist who is in NE killin em.
by STELF BOMBZ on Dec 29, 2011 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
Tell me Terrell doesn't act like a crazy chick...
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Ha ha…well, yes, he has…the crying and the…all the other stuff. But not for a while.
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Don't let him fool you..
He scheduled a televised workout to show off his physique – red flag 1
He’s begging us to take him back – red flag 2
He says he’s ready to take us deep? – strike 3, you’re out !
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
1 he was showing the world his still in football shape
2. he simply said he would come back, saying he’s begging is playing the slanderous game the media loves to play
3. Maybe saying to his boy"I’m ready to take em deep" was a way of saying he’s in shape to run deep routes. Why are we blowing 2 sentences up anyway????
by STELF BOMBZ on Dec 29, 2011 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
1. Showing the world you are in football shape does not require doing it “topless”
2. Everyone already know’s he’s available, contacting guys on the team asking them to put in a good word is really close to “begging” (but I don’t mind you say I’m slandering him a bit"
3. Maybe you shouldn’t tell your boy you want to “take em deep.”
Seriously though, if Terrell were to get a spot on the 49ers roster he would be along for the ride, he wouldn’t be the one “taking” anyone anywhere. The 49ers earned that playoff spot, not Terrell. He doesn’t get to come in and take credit for any playoff success we have in the future. It’s not the right attitude coming in.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Working out shirtless is not that unusual for those kinds of workouts
It’s only unusual when you have the physique of Andre Smith
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Ho F er?
Am I reading that abbreviation wrong or does it mean Terrell likes garden tools – a lot?
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Here's what you do.
Sign TO. Bring him in against the Rams. Have him run hail mary’s all day and let Alex throw it to him against the Rams terrible, terrible secondary.
Smith throws 5 touchdown passes. All to Owens. All the media types all around the nation say, “Uh oh, look out! SF has a deep threat!”
But it was all just a ploy, because we were really only playing the Rams. Then we get the bye, and all through the playoffs we run TO deep but never throw it to him. He clears 3 guys out of the box and forces the safeties deep. We just keep throwing it underneath to Crabs and Williams and run the ball.
Proceed to win Superbowl. Yah? I like it.
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The more I think about it....
I’m not so worried about the locker room distraction part of it. He was a good teammate in Buffalo, Harbaugh is a strong coach, and any contract we sign with him will likely be tiny so we can jettison him immediately if need be. If he is still TO on the field, then he might be a great pickup. What I’m more worried about is, what if he hasn’t fully healed or he’s just a bit washed up? Look at what happened with Ochocinco and the Pats – everyone was saying what a great signing that was, but he’s been invisible. Still, if we think that he can help the team, this is a low risk, high reward move.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 28, 2011 1:46 PM PST reply actions
It's a bad sign that not even the RAMS would sign him
When they’ve been hard up for recievers all year. Not even the Jaguars, or the Vikings, the Seahawks or the Browns have showed any interest. It’s a bad sign for T.O. The 49ers for sure don’t want him.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Give me a break
All of the teams you listed are non-playoff teams who are trying to get younger. TO, even if he helps them this year, wouldn’t help them in the future, which is what they need. The Niners need help this year. You’re comparing totally different situations.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 28, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
I think we are a young team that doesn't need T.O.
What can T.O. bring to any team, playoff or not? Not much, he’s not a good veteren presence, because he never matured, and he’s an older guy coming off an injury.
He’s a liability in more ways than one. He’s coming in at the end of the season so catch up time is limited. YOUR BREAK IS NOT FORTHCOMING. You’ve failed to demonstrate how T.O. could help this team any better than he can help a team that isn’t going to the playoffs, and really needs a reciever.
ALSO, clearly, the rest of the NFL does not see T.O. as a viable option as reciever, or he’d have a job by now.
The situations are teams that need help this year, the 49ers do now, and all those teams did earlier. The Rams were smart and got Lloyd.
YOU DO BRING UP A GOOD POINT THOUGH…The 49ers ARE going to the playoffs. Which of course would activate DIVA MODE for Terrell Owens. Who wouldn’t want to be on the 49ers right now?
WHO"S GOT IT BETTER THAN US?? NO-BODY
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
the rams, or any other cellar dweller
has no reason to sign him. If you look at playoff contenders, how many of them have a need at the WR positon? Niners are the first that come to mind.
The Rams signed Lloyd
And were brilliant by doing it. I think the 49ers would be idiots if they even considered signing Terrell Owens.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Lloyd
isn’t in the same situation as TO, i.e., at the end, or past the end, of his career. Lloyd could be a part of the Rams offense for the next few seasons with their young quarterback. Lloyd filled their need, i.e, a productive, proven, veteran QB who hasn’t been out of the league.
If the niners FO feels TO can’t play anymore, which seems to be the case for all NFL playoff contenders, then of course, you ignore him.
Agree
Lloyd was a good pickup for the Rams when they needed a quality reciever. Why would anyone who needs a quality reciever sign Terrell Owens instead?
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
the niners aren't choosing
between Lloyd and TO. Obviously you go with Lloyd in that case, but since it’s not, and Lloyd was acquired through a trade, they are not useful to compare. Considering how under utilized the niner WR’s are anyways, staying pat probably isn’t going to matter.
Thats valid but outside my conversation
I was contesting his appeal that the Rams did not need reciever help. They did need one and went with the veteren Lloyd who is a good reciever, over T.O. who isn’t.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
That doesn't necessarily mean no TO
If both Ginn and Williams are out, there’s one more slot.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 28, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
It's a No
To T.O.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
I feel as though T.O. is a known commodity and that commodity doesn't offer more than what we were getting from Braylon Edwards.
Therefore, I’d like to give somebody we haven’t really seen a chance.
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Let's get TO!
Doesn’t make sense not too… he’d be on a vet minimum and could be cut without any salary cap penalty. He’s still a very good NFL wide receiver, and will command double coverage on some plays at least. He’s better than the options we have on the practice squad that is for certain.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Maybe we could sign him as a quarterback and....
Cut Alex Smith !!!
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Not Alex but Braylon!
Oh wait! Braylon’s been cut already
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Seriously though Teekay,
Do you really think Baalke and Harbaugh have a gold helmet with Terrell Owen’s name on it. If there was anyone in the past who prompted the 49ers to implement the Gold Helmet system, it was T.O.
Both Baalke and Harbaugh said they placed a huge emphasis on a prospect’s character and being “a football player,” whatever that means. Baalke revealed that the prospects with the proper frames of mind and the right moral compass.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Oops
ends – were given a Gold Helmet. That’s an excerpt from this years post draft on bleacher report BTW
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
You know I usually agree with you Pat Willie,
But on this, I can’t. I really think the character issues are hugely overdone. TO was outstanding with the Bengals – especially considering Carson Palmer was throwing picks on every 5 throws. It also looks like he was a really good team leader with the Bills. This is a strong group of players who have a great respect for one another. I don’t think that will change with TO – especially during the play-offs where there’s only a couple of games until the Super Bowl.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
The biggest problem (and not the only problem) is...
That T.O. is an attention hussy, a diva. He’s begging to be on the 49ers because we are going to the playoffs.
He will bring an unwanted element of attention with him no matter what he does, or how much he tries not to be himself. It’s distracting to what the team is trying to accomplish here.
This team is carving out a very impressive and imposing identity here that will last for years. We don’t want to upset that by bringing in a side show. Terrell Owens isn’t even 100% of the problem, the media attention he brings along with him is unwelcome enough on it’s own. He should dump that instead of encourage it.
The 49ers don’t want to win a Super Bowl and get a guy like T.O the credit for it. They want to win a Super Bowl and get the 49ers, the TEAM, the credit for it.
WHO"S GOT IT BETTER THAN US?? NO-BODY
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Yep that's a good point
However, TO will command double coverage on some, if not most, plays just due to reputation alone. That will help open up plays for Crabtree, Kyle, and Vernon, let alone the running game. Also, TO is an outstanding and physical blocker on the outside when he wants to be, and this is a huge bonus for our team. We don’t have any success of sweep plays as it is – a big, physical WR like TO will help improve that. TO could also help in the Red Zone due to his height and veteran experience, and will obviously be a better option than Kyle or Ted in the Red Zone. He had 9 TDs in 14 games (11 starts) for the Bengals last season!
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
I really don't buy that in any way, shape or form
He’s not going to instantly command double teams. If, and that’s a big if, he started catching a lot of balls, then maybe. He’d have to prove it first. He’s 38 and coming off of a serious injury.
He might get himself some good stats
And might is being generous here…But it does no good for Terrell to get himself some stats if it takes away from the overall success of the team.
What I am saying is – he is not guaranteed to get those touchdowns and double coverage you have already credited to him, but if he does what is the cost? We could have had another guy out there contributing as much or almost as much and distracting the team less.
The guy can’t help but be a distraction, no matter how hard he tries it’s always the T.O. show.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
There is 400 comments above as to this argument, but I will condense my own
He is unproven with a knee injury at an advanced age. He has not seen game action in a year. There will be media attention. It is already too late. There are other players that could use the chance that may be beneficial to the future rather than one game against the worst team in the NFL. Our players should be healed and rested by then.
Well Done Sir
You condensed that really efficiently. Hopefully that will be the end of the Terrell Owens discussion.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
it is
The 49ers have moved on and will let the PS players compete for the roster spot. Only reason we are discussing this is that Whitner said he would vouch for TO on twitter.
Well you have to respect Whitner for being a good teammate
No way anyone would fault him for that.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
I'm sure he meant it too
but players do not decide who is on the team. A week ago Vernon Davis did the same for Braylon Edwards
Yep, yep and yep. All good points.
However, TO is certainly a better option than our practice squad players. We are talking about a future HOFer! Why not give it a try and see? He will be on a veteran minimum salary. This is TO’s last big chance to prove himself in the league probably… he’s going to work extremely hard to learn the playbook very quickly. His effort has never been questioned, and I honestly think he would be a huge playmaker immediately.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
It's like you can't hear what I am saying...
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
its like nobody will understand:
the last time he played football was December 19th. Over a year ago and has not practiced with an NFL team since. The NFL has him listed as retired. Why will he be a playmaker? He was slowing down last year and was getting worse every game.
If they don't get it by now
They never will… I gotta go do stuff
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
But but but...
It is TO!
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
You can't blame me!
I’m up to third on the prediction games! :)
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Quite excited indeed.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Look, when we say who's got it better than US...
The KEY word is US,
it’s the team.
When we say it – it’s the team and the fans, ALL of US.
We aren’t individual entities when we are a part of something, when we are together, working and moving together toward a common goal.
How can the 49ers bring in someone who doesn’t know how to be a part of the team. He will always want credit for everything himself, gain recognition for himself. That hasn’t changed. Even his message to Donte says
I’m ready 2 take em deep!!He is already giving himself too much credit. The 49ers do not need Terrell Owens.
WHO"S GOT IT BETTER THAN US?? NO-BODY
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
we do not need TO
if he threw Jeff under the bus and our passing game was good, what makes you think he won’t do the same to Alex who hasn’t had a +300 yard game all season?? We are ‘not’ a passing team & adding TO wouldn’t change that
by Doni S on Dec 28, 2011 4:00 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Sorry folks , Harbaugh put a ka-bash to all the T.O. talk ...
… Lets let the Man do what he knows best , teach and Coach these players up , after all he’s done a pretty good job so far …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
how about no T.O.
lol love that he sounds desperate
by Monta THE Boss on Dec 28, 2011 11:14 PM PST reply actions
Ok it's a 50/50 split.
Maybe 60/40 in favor of T.O. Is it the loyalty for Jeff Garcia/McNabb that as everyone burning T.O. at the stake. In the past 3+ years he’s been good with the media. I been in favor of signing him in the off-season over Braylon Edwards. I understand Harbaugh’s potential concern. He’s building a team first mentality here. It is working to perfection.
I say, bring T.O. in, interview him one on one Coach/Player, then work him out. ABSOLUTELY DO NOT, go into the playoffs with Crabz, Swain, and Hastings. That would be crazy. WIN. I see in the NBA they sign guys to 10 day contracts if a key postion is thin due to injury. BRING IN THE VET….WIN THE SB….
Because the NFL is just like the NBA...
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
hahaahahahahaa
Funny stuff Pat Willy. But look at our WRs. Crabz, Brett, Hastings, VD. Kyle is probly out for a couple, Gin maybe out for a couple. I am thinking about competing fo a Super Bowl THIS YEAR. Everything is in place except at WR. we lost Morgan, Walker, Edwards, Gin, Wlliams. 5 WRs. We have to really look at what we’re going to war with. 2 WR’s…2TE….IT’S A NO BRAINER.
I wonder if it was possible to sign T.O. and have him avoid the media all together
When you say "NO BRAINER" I really believe
you are not using your brain.
When you say:
I wonder if it was possible to sign T.O. and have him avoid the media all together
I think you are using your brain.
I would say the answer is no. The Media can’t be stopped and they love T.O. because they love drama.
The 49ers need to avoid drama as much as they can. It’s not going to be easy to beat N.O. and G.B. Those are two great teams.
I know Terrell Owens used to be good, but he is old and hasn’t been good for a couple years now.
I don’t think bringing T.O. in at this point in the season is going to do anything but hurt us…
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
It's nor probable... But quite possible Kyle Williams misses the entire playoffs
He had a nasty concussion. How long has Jahvid Best been out? Oh he’s had a history of concussions… ok well lets go to another guy who doesn’t, but had a bad one then had post-concussion syndrome. Sidney Crosby. How’s that looking? A year? Minimum?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Take an unbiaed look at T.O. public workout
He would fit in nice. Plus he’ in even better shape since then…here’s the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kHpph-mTFo
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