Joe Hastings: Semi-Scouting Report
by David Fucillo on Dec 29, 2011 7:30 AM PST
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PrintThe 49ers have no made an official roster move yet (or at least as of the publishing time) but word from the practice squad was that Joe Hastings was going to get Braylon Edwards' roster spot. Hastings was signed by the 49ers this offseason as an undrafted rookie free agent out of Division II Washburn. He was waived at the end of training camp but signed with the 49ers practice squad once he cleared waivers.
Although player in a lower level of competition does not automatically mean accomplishments should be diminished, it does meant it is a bit more difficult to come up with scouting reports. I did some poking around and have a few bits of information. I found a couple scouting reports, although neither is from sites I generally read, so feel free to take them with a grain of salt. Additionally, Matt Barrows had some comments about Hastings when the 49ers signed him to their practice squad. At the end of the post, I've got a video Riding the F Train posted as a FanShot.
It's worth noting that Eric Branch indicated a source told him the 49ers told at least one former NFL wide receiver "they might be in touch after the regular season depending on how their in-house receiver ... fares against the Rams."
Alex Smith chatted with the media before practice yesterday and he was asked several questions about Hastings given the information tweeted by MM. Alex does a ton of throwing before and during games on the sidelines and Hastings is one of the guys who is frequently involved. That's not quite the same thing as running routes, but it is still noteworthy.
Is there already some kind of chemistry there?
"I feel good about Joe. Joe's a guy that just works extremely hard. Obviously had him here all through camp and then when he's got his chances throughout the season just to jump in in reps in practice, does it. For quite a few weeks now pregame, to keep the other guys' legs good, he and I go out early and throw quite a bit. So, feel good about Joe. I think that if that's the way the direction ends up going, feel good about him stepping up and that he'll be ready."
The 49ers practice squad has traveled with the team and been prominently involved throughout the season, which is different from years past. I don't know if that will necessarily make a significant difference in terms of Hastings contributing to the team, but it's noteworthy nonetheless.
Matt Barrows in early September:
The former Washburn receiver wasn't as big as fellow undrafted rookie Chris Hogan nor as fast as Tyler Beiler. But he was quick, ran excellent routes and was not slowed by injuries like Hogan and Dontavia Bogan. Hastings often challenged the first-team defense in practice, which will be his main role this season.
He's 6'0, 190 pounds and lacks blazing 4.3 speed so nobody is giving him much of a chance but Hastings runs good routes and has great hands. His trademark this year was making circus catches and he showed that in the Cactus Bowl. He's has several teams call about him and is a player who warrants some late round consideration because his hands should keep him around when teams make final cuts. You simply find a roster spot for a guy like this.
Fantasy Football Metrics in August:
A high performer at a low-level college division - Hastings had 87 receptions and 1,546 yards last season. Hastings has decent WR skills, but measured weaker for physical skills translating to the NFL. Hastings tested with good speed, OK agility, with a lower bench press/strength.
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We all know who that is…the man, the hall of famer, T.O. We need him badly
by rbprat10 on Dec 29, 2011 7:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions
new orleans is now owned by terrell owens?
where are you getting your news!
Thinkin" they've been good with-out him , as the other 31 Teams in The National Football League ...!!
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there is no "need" for him. edwards did not go anything all year and missed most of the throws his way. the team is better without him!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 29, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
?
Zielger was already signed by a different team
by Ricans love football too on Dec 29, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
No
He had a few workouts, he’s currently a FA.
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Well if Baldwin can do it
hope Hastings can too
Nope. He had the same workout as Swain
Swain was better. Neither of these guys is gonna make any difference whatsoever. Has Swain even gotten open to be targeted once?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Swain said Joe was better...
beat everyone in the race and yes Swain got open a couple of times…
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/16638962
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Fastest in a race
I’m suddenly completely reassured.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
way to only read part of it...
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That's basically all it says
WR Brett Swain said when he and the rest of the veteran hopefuls worked out to win a receiving job with the 49ers, that practice squad WR Joe Hastings was actually the fastest in the race. "It was a competitive environment, four, five guys fight for a job, and Joe stood out," Swain said.
He stood out because he won a race against 4 other slow guys. Yippee.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Has anyone ever told you that you are a completely uninformed pain in the ass? If not, I'm telling you.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Dec 29, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Cool. You're the guy pretending a guy that can't make an NFL roster with no caveats (like an injury slowing him down) is gonna come in and be our hero
A guy that already got beat out in tryouts by another practice squad guy.
He’s not going to be Victor Cruz or Miles Austin… Though he might drop a crucial pass to lose the game like Cruz would be apt to.
I’m the one that read (and posted above) the entire article. The quote above is attributed to his speed. His 4.45-4.50 speed. That ought to tell you how poor the rest of his game is that a moderately slow WR was faster than the rest of these unwanted schlubs and he was still behind Swain.
TO will go to a team next year and put up another 1000 yard season. We’ll have Joe Hastings. Until we cut him for a 5th – 6th round draft prospect.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
‘Those words are hurtful. You’re not coming to the pancake social.’"...!!
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you all don't see it
Hastings is not the answer people. We have 2 healthy receivers! And if Ted Ginn gets a roster spot before Hastings, that’s not good. Ginn has bricks for hands and is only a playmaker on ST. We have to get T.O if we want to compete in the playoffs
by rbprat10 on Dec 29, 2011 8:04 AM PST via mobile reply actions
You have been over ruled by Hrabaugh ...!!
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Hrabaugh and Harbaugh that is , both of them ...!!
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His hands are a bit better this year.
He’s trusted to return punts and kickoffs so he’s trustworthy as a the 3rd wide-out. Crabs #1, KW #2, Jr. #3. Our D will carry us past the Rams. No worries FAITHFUL, we’ll be ready to roll playoff time!
A. Smith + tiger blood + Harbaugh = #winning
This is true , Ginn has made some real nice plays in the passing game ...!!
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The pass he completely didn't see for a sure TD still makes my brain hurt...
When you are that open, you better at least be able to locate the ball. He has been much better though this year than any other as a pro.
by 9thevolution on Dec 29, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
other than the name, what does T.O. offer us?
Does he know the playbook? Have you seen him run/cut (and are you a scout)? Will his attitude do NOTHING but HELP the locker room atmosphere? Will he draw attention and media circus to the team (I’ll take this one: YES).
31 other teams don’t want him. What does he have to offer us that’s more valuable than it is to every other team? We are not the team for which he previously played, so the “SF Connection” is a moot point.
We're as good as we play each week, no better, no worse.
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by Tre9er on Dec 29, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Owens
To be fair… It is true that 31 (really 32) teams don’t want him, but if there was no lockout and had he been able to be fully recovered in time for training camp, I don’t believe he would be a free agent.
By the time he did his ESPN workout, most teams were already set with their roster. I’m sure there were a few times that at least considered him, but it was too late in the year for most teams to consider going in that direction.
By this point, T.O. only has 12-14 teams who have anything to play for, and we are the most desperate at WR. I’m not saying that he’s the answer, I wouldn’t mind seeing what our guys can do first, but I don’t think it’s ridiculous to think that T.O. can’t come in and help this team given where we are with our roster. Assume that Williams and Ginn are still hurt… What happens if Crabtree gets hurt? Swain is our #1 WR… I’d rather have T.O. in that scenario.
Hopefully Ginn and Williams can come back soon though.
training camp
Given that he had ACL surgery in April, he was not going to be ready by the start of training camp.
by David Fucillo on Dec 29, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know how convincing "but the rosters were set" arguments are.
Because they weren’t set. Teams drop bottom-of-the-rotation receivers all the time.
but I don’t think it’s ridiculous to think that T.O. can’t come in and help this team given where we are with our roster.
Given the injury, and lack of team training conditions, and age, I think it’s worth asking: at this point, how confident are you that T.O. has better physical skills right now than Hastings?
And even if he does, are those skills enough better to make up for a season’s worth of work with the QB?
It’d be one thing if we were talking about the TO of six or seven years ago, but we’re not. By DVOA and DYAR, for example (not the be-all, end-all, but a reasonable attempt to control for the way receivers are used) TO was an average receiver last year, a below average receiver the year before that, and probably about average the year before that!
So basically you’re talking about a receiver who hasn’t been really really good since 2007. And now add in that he doesn’t know the playbook and will have minimal time to get on the same page as Smith.
We expect both Williams and Ginn to be back for the playoffs, so really what we’re talking about is the guy who’s going to be the #4 receiver – except for in this one game, where he’ll see a lot of snaps.
And you’re talking about adding a player who has a history of being a distraction, so it’s not like there’s no downside.
Before the season started, everybody would have been freaked out by the possibility that Williams would be a key receiver on this team. Now we’re excited by him, and want to see him have a bigger role. So why not think Hastings could impress us in the same way. THere’s a pretty good tradition of late-round / undrafted receivers coming in and making surprising impacts when they get their opportunity.
So basically you’re talking about a receiver who hasn’t been really really good since 2007.
I disagree with that. He was really good with the Bengals last year.
Before the season started, everybody would have been freaked out by the possibility that Williams would be a key receiver on this team. Now we’re excited by him, and want to see him have a bigger role. So why not think Hastings could impress us in the same way. THere’s a pretty good tradition of late-round / undrafted receivers coming in and making surprising impacts when they get their opportunity.
It’s not so much that. I’m fine with Hastings on the roster. I’m really trying to say that IF Williams and Ginn were going to be injured for the rest of the year, I would want T.O. on this team out of desperation (and given the fact that they are both injured, I don’t think it’s unreasonable).
It doesn’t have to be T.O. either, I’m just saying. I don’t think it’s that unreasonable to think that the Niners should at least consider looking outside the organization. The fact that they haven’t (to me) says that Williams and Ginn are fine.
He was really good with the Bengals last year.
I don’t know what you’re basing that conclusion off of. Yeah, he had a few nice plays.
Now, I’m not going to claim I watched a ton of Cincy games last year, but the statistical record is relatively unambiguous and can’t be blamed on his teammates (he was worse at DVOA than the passing team as a whole) and furthermore, for three years in a row, the guys who have been watching him closely every game have been happy to see him go.
Ultimately, that is somewhat telling, isn’t it?
Furthermore, I just think it’s really unlikely that there’s someone available who’s likely to be enough better than our practice squad guys to make up for the advantages our PS guys have. Football is not just a game of who can run the fastest or jump the highest. More than any other sport, being on the same page as your teammates matters. Time together to get used to each other matters. Chemistry matters.
Now, I’m not going to claim I watched a ton of Cincy games last year, but the statistical record is relatively unambiguous and can’t be blamed on his teammates (he was worse at DVOA than the passing team as a whole) and furthermore, for three years in a row, the guys who have been watching him closely every game have been happy to see him go.
You might be right, but I watched a few Cincy games last year, and I thought he looked good. Again, I’m not saying is HAS to be Owens, though. I’m just saying that the deeper you go into the PS, the worse your roster gets. I just think people are putting too much faith into the obscure players. Sure, maybe he plays well for us, but I’m just trying to be realistic.
Furthermore, I just think it’s really unlikely that there’s someone available who’s likely to be enough better than our practice squad guys to make up for the advantages our PS guys have.
Maybe. But, if we believe Eric Branch, it sounds like Balke may revisit the situation. To me, that says that he’s not 100% convinced that our PS players are the answer. All I’m trying to say is that IF Williams and Ginn have lingering injuries (again, not unreasonable) – I want to look outside of our organization (including Owens). If they come back fully healthy, I’m fine.
What do you suppose it would take for Ballke to be 100% convinced -
that our PS players are the answer?
Would they being the only plauseable option be enough to get him to 100%?
Would no one better being available be enough?
I think 100% convinced is a bit much to ask but I’m 100% convinced T.O. is not the answer so…maybe it’s not?
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
No idea..
But I would guess we wouldn’t see an article from Eric Branch which suggests that Balke may “revisit the situation” (assuming that’s even true).
I think 100% convinced is a bit much to ask but I’m 100% convinced T.O. is not the answer so…maybe it’s not?
I’m talking more about looking outside of the organization than I am any specific players. But, I’d still like them to at least take a look at T.O. (assuming Williams and Ginn are still hurt during the playoffs).
I am certain every team in the NFL has thouroughly and seriously
taken a hard look at Terrell Owens. He’s #2 all time scoring reciever behind Jerry right? But you have to weigh all pros against all cons, so no one has picked him up. If he was healthy at the start of this season, maybe someone (and probably not the 49ers) would have took a chance, but not now, not with so much on the line, he’s too old and too risky for this type of team. We aren’t the Patriots, we’re the 49ers. We don’t need the Drama.
Any one who isn’t a pain in the rear, I’m all for looking at. But they are copmpeting with competent guys who have months of practice with Alex. It would be tough to leapfrog that after week 17.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
I am 10000000% confident TO has more physical skills than Hastings right now.
Dumb question.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Because everyone knows that less than a year after you tear your ACL you are at top physical condition with no fear of planting turning and tearing it again...
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Exactly, he's at peak physical condition.
Has never felt better in his life.
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yup
ever since I tore my ACL for the second time I have never felt better. When I play sports I’m not scared to jump and twist at all…
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You also weren't almost the Super Bowl MVP with a broken leg AND a sprained ankle.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
nearly a decade ago....
I’m guessing there is some kind of reason nobody has signed him. Not as concerned about nobody showing up for his workout since anybody can get the video and do what they want with it.
by David Fucillo on Dec 29, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
Jerry Rice came back in the same season at 35
TO has had a full normal rehab period FOR NORMAL people
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
I'm also not 38 years old...
nor do I take repeated shots to the body as a living…
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Um he's one of the most physically gifted athletes to ever play in the NFL
Hastings can’t even make an NFL team. T.O. has a history of healing at a rate that most people would consider super human. He has a workout regimen that is almost legendary. If you want to say Hastings might be better for the team because his hands COULD maybe/possibly be better… Ok. But physically? lol That’s all it deserves. A laugh.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
It was a torn ACL yes. But no damage to any other ligaments which is huge as far as being able to start a real rehab program
It’s not like he had Adrian Peterson’s knee injury. Rice came back in the same SEASON – 9 weeks later – then broke his kneecap. TO has had a normal rehab period – 8 months
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Getting him in the preseason would have been dumb
At 4-6 months you’re at the biggest potential to rerupture it because the grafts from the surgery have begun to break down and it will be getting back to working on its own. Pushing it too hard can lead to reinjury. TO is at 8 months + now. He’s a fast healer with a ridiculous workout regimen for his rehab. Dude is good to go.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
are you laughing at Baalke and Harbaugh
they made the decision. Owens legendary healing was seven years and six seasons ago.
TO's also 38 with a lot of miles.
I have no question that TO was in better physical shape.
But it doesn’t matter how great an athlete you are, you lose a step or two by the time you’re 38. And you heal a lot slower, too.
Yeah, his workouts were legendary. But Jerry Rice had legendary workouts, too …and had clearly lost a couple of steps by the time he left SF. And he wasn’t coming off a major knee injury.
So if you want to imagine a world where father time doesn’t exist, that’s your perrogative. But here in reality, a player’s skills have diminished substantially by their late 30s, and looking at TO’s last three seasons, there’s no reason to think he’s anywhere close to being an exception.
Really? Guys routinely are in playing or fighting shape into their 40s now
Its called advances in sports medicine, nutrition and “supplements” (testosterone replacement therapy)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
"Playing or fighting shape" has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
I have no doubt that TO is extremely fit. I have no doubt that he would put most people 10 years younger to shame.
However, I have plenty of doubt that he’d put other pro athletes 10 years younger to shame. And I am 100% certain that he is no longer as athletically gifted as he once was, even if he’s EXCEPTIONAL as far as a 38-year-old goes.
Considering Hastings is semi-pro
(He’s on a practice squad not in the NFL) I’m quite certain of it. TO was never a great pass catcher. But he was such an incredible athlete that he made up for it.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
LOL you just so proved yourself wrong
Rice at 35 destroyed his knee twice
The next season he caught 82 balls for 1157 yards, then had 2 down years of 67 for 830 and 75 for 80.
Jerry then, at 39, went to the Raiders and caught 83 for 1139 and at 40! caught 92 for 1211.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
I know Rice's numbers. I forgot about the injury though.
Here’s the thing.
I was there. Rice was slower. Rice was not as good as he had been. Heck, by 1996 he was clearly down from his peak … you respected him, but he didn’t inspire the kind of fear he had only a few years earlier.
When he caught 92 for 1211 yards he didn't inspire fear?
of course not
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure there
are playoff contenders who are in dire need for some quick help at WR like the Niners though. That makes a T.O.-to-49ers scenarios a bit more plausible despite the fact that all 32 teams (thus far) have passed on him after his televised workout. Hell, they didn’t even show up for it.
televised workout
None of them showed up for it, but I bet a lot of them at least checked out the film.
are playoff contenders who are in dire need for some quick help at WR like the Niners though.
Which ones? I would argue that we are the thinnest.
rec!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 29, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
not related to him
It’s called being realistic
by rbprat10 on Dec 29, 2011 8:10 AM PST via mobile reply actions
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this better?
I’m replying to delusional niner fans from a phone so I sometimes don’t hit the right reply button
by rbprat10 on Dec 29, 2011 8:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
didn't you hear?
Jim Harbaugh, Trent Baalke, the entire NFL is delusional.
by mcwagner on Dec 29, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
If those fools all think GB has a chance to go all the way this year, they are delusional. Everybody knows it is going to be a rematch of the Harbowl, only this time, we will win!
Yes , delusions are running rampart through this thread ...!!
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That too ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
I've been wondering
about this situation since about halfway through the season..
But thats probably just giving our history too much credit.
by snowweasel30 on Dec 29, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Will that game end with an even wierder score?
Final score: 2-0 Niners on an Aldon Smith sack as time expires.
by 9thevolution on Dec 29, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
No
It’s not better. The excuse is poor.
Poor excuses should be posted as a new comment, not as a reply to someone else’s comment.
Also replyies to Edggy should include a joke about his mom, a comment about his masculinity, or a general slight to his intelligence, not a general insult just tossed in the direction of the fine participants of Niner Nation.
Try again, rbprat10. And next time hit the reply button.
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by mcwagner on Dec 29, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes , should make fun of me , I have no life at the moment , just sitting here waiting for my dog to have puppies ...!!
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So I'm gonna just sit here and Troll ...!!
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Not at all , I'm stuck on Troll mode ...!!
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I think you missed the point of mcwagner's joke
by 9thevolution on Dec 29, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
The one about milk and cookies?
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Yes , I'm delusional today ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
not realistic
more like, haven’t watched any of the games this year lol….Ginn isn’t perfect, but he has made plenty of tough catches this year, so please actually watch the games before commenting
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 29, 2011 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
are u crazy?
I have watched EVERY single game because I have the Sunday Ticket. He has made some nice catches but he is not consistent…he cost us the last drive in the Ravens game and has dropped quite a few other passes. So maybe you should watch the games before replying to my statements moron
by rbprat10 on Dec 29, 2011 8:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Nice way to start your apprenticeship on this site with name calling ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
I wasn't provoking him
just showing how making generalized comments because of one action or play isn’t a logically thought process lol it’s like saying, “it rained last Tuesday, so it ALWAYS rains on Tuesday”
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 29, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
Just saying..
so please actually watch the games before commenting
I wouldn’t like that if someone said that to me.
by E-Train on Dec 29, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe you should actually watch the games before commenting then…
So you don’t have to worry someone will call you on it.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
That's fine Pat Willie
I was just saying, don’t get upset about the name calling if you’re going to make it personal.
When I call people names...
I never take it personal :)
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
I was just messing with you
cause you said you wouldn’t like it if someone said it to you, I couldn’t resist saying it to you.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
lol he calls other delusional
but somehow thinks that a 38 yr old WR that hasn’t played all year, hasn’t even been around the team all year, and is coming off of a major knee injury is going to be the big difference between the Niners competing and the playoffs and not lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 29, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
A 38 year old genetic freak, who has gone through a whole normal rehabilitation process
and caught for just shy of a 1000 yards in 11 starts last year
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
And yet did worse than an average receiver would be expected to do on those same passes.
You can’t just count yards because it matters how the receiver is used.
Then why was he the leading receiver on the team?
Oh because the ball was coming his way cause he could actually get open and make a play on the ball when nobody else was doing anything. Palmers numbers throwing to TO on the talentless Bungles were better than Palmer did on the Raiders. TO >> Raiders receiving corps
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Palmer has looked good for such a short time with the Raiders
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Ginn
has less drops than Vernon Davis, Crabtree and Gore. Yes, he’s let a couple bounce off his hands and one led to a critical interception. But I think stating he has brick hands is a carryover from previous years, not a fair assessment of his performance this year.
Ginn is fast, he’s strong and he’s a good return man. He deserved a spot and was a clear choice over a UDFA rookie.
totally agree
With his deserved roster spot because of his playmaking ability on ST but he’s only decent as a slot receiver. I just think we need to bring some free agents in for a workout WITH some nfl playing experience. If Kyle Williams and Ginn can return in time for the playoffs, then I think we will be okay
by rbprat10 on Dec 29, 2011 8:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
he's been targeted a lot less
that those players as well. I think all would agree that those guys have better hands than Ginn, despite the misleading stat you just dropped.
where's your stat to show he's been targeted less than Gore?
this season, I’d say that Ginn has been a more reliable receiver than Gore and on par with VD.
Crabtree just needs to go through a preseason. Seems like he and Smith are finally dropping into a rhythem, so in that sense Crabtree has way better hands than Ginn and the stat that Crabtree has dropped more passes is misleading.
Josh Morgan 15 catches on 19 targets – 14.7 average (this is actually a really, really good YPC/target rate. By far the best on his page of stats – the next closest guy was Kenny Britt with 17 catches on 26 for 17.0) – RESIGN JM
Kendall Hunter 14 of 23 for 13.1
Kyle Williams 20 of 30 for 12.1
Frank Gore 17 of 32 for 6.1 (Really Frank? Damn… smh)*
Ted Ginn 19 of 33 for 11.6
Braylon Edwards 15 of 34 for 12.1 (too many drops gets ya cut)
Delanie Walker 19 of 35 for 10.4
VD 59 of 86 for 11.4
Crabs 64 of 104 for 12.3 (Crabs is the main target of the "he gets it or nobody does sideline routes for some context)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Somebody feel free to repaste my research to a fan thread to debate the worth of our receivers
The above numbers suggest to me that Morgan very well could be a #1 if he comes back healthy.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
I've always liked
JMorgan, despite his underwhelming stats. It’s hard to gauge niner WR’s considering the way they go about playing offense. the ratio of catches/targets can be misleading because you never know whether those balls were catchable or what no. YPC is misleading too, especially on such limited receptions. And how “good” a WR is can differ drastically from their actual production.
It looks like he really stepped up his hands from last season. Different system still producing. Really looked he was going to step it up into a 60-70 catch season
While still maintaining a high ypc he went from 44 of 80 at 15.9YPC, to 15 of 19 at 14.7YPC
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 30, 2011 1:15 AM PST up reply actions
apparently
people say he lacks speed (I assume then he runs a sub 4.5) but I’ve always liked what I saw from him when he does get the ball.
Apparently you haven't
So you say he cost us one drive in the Ravens game (when they were down by 10 and would have needed a miracle to win at that point anyways) but you must have forgotten the amazing catch and run after for a TD that he made in the SAME GAME (that was taken away by a BS chop block call)….open your eyes and stop being childish or we’ll tell you mommy and she’ll take away your computer
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 29, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
childish?
Please explain the definition of that since you used it way out of context. If you can’t acept my opinion, don’t reply my friend. Another 40+ year old fan that thinks he knows everything about the team but really doesn’t have a clue. Ginn has 19 receptions in 14 games with no tds which the one in the BAL game should have been but other than that, nothing. By the way, I’m not hating on Ginn, just stating why Hastings should not be promoted.
by rbprat10 on Dec 29, 2011 8:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Calling others "morons" just because you are wrong is childish
And even if he doesn’t have 90 receptions or something ridiculous like that, doesn’t mean he isn’t useful on offense. For one, this isn’t the type of offense that puts up 40 passes a game like in New Orleans or Green Bay. Secondly, even if he isn’t catching passes, he has been shown to be very useful in run plays like the Fly Sweep, AND drawing coverage away from other receivers because of his speed.
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 29, 2011 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
how can an opinion be wrong?
Someone says bring in T.O. and 3/4 of our fans go off the deep end and gets wayyyy too excited. I said moron because I was told to watch the games when I haven’t missed one yet. Just another typical know-it-all fan but hey, it happens.
by rbprat10 on Dec 29, 2011 9:00 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
hmm well you're original statement doesn't come off as just an opinion, but rather you seem to think your though process is the factual
You start off with “you all don’t see it” and then you follow up with the nonsense about Ginn, which implies you haven’t watched them play this year, and you’re basing your comment on his time in Miami…apparently you seem to think you know it all
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 29, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
Your opinion is wrong
So I guess that’s how…
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Right? Wrong? Don't you know that we live in the day of relativism
What is true for you (a flat world) may not be true for me (it is really a sphere, but we are on the INSIDE don’t you know? – those other morons all think we are on the outside; now that IS delusional). I am glad that you are willing to be more open minded about the whole shape of the earth, anyway.
So you think everyone's related?
Wouldn’t that make everyone inbreds?
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Of course everyone is related
We all came from the same worm that got the magic sunspot, right?
You mean like uncarbonated?
Do you think the world needs more bubbles?
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
yes the world is flat
And its held up bt 4 elephants on the back of a gigantic turtle
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 29, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe
Or maybe those Elephants and Turtles are standing on their heads?
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
But who's holding up the turtle?
Don’t be silly, it’s turtle’s all the way down! (If anyone gets this reference, I will literally crap my pants)
Matt Cain is better than you, but apparently not cool enough for Showtime.
by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
But who do you think is holding up the infinite turtles?
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Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?
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by jbrown63 on Dec 29, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Are you talking about the same Niner Nation
That has been arguing about Alex Smith since it started??
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
not sure what the TE on the Browns has to do with this
and I haven’t seen much debate on the subject.
Wait...Wait...What?/...Wait....?Really?
40+ year olds don’t know anything about the team? Ginn’s receptions reflect poorly on Hastings abilities? We have to have T.O. if we want to compete in the playoffs?
What has T.O. done for the last two teams he’s played on that warrants this bravado? I’ll answer that for you: NOTHING. And he’s injured really bad, and he’s really old…. Almost 40+
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Not T.O
ok I’m not talking about 40+ year old players…someone check his stats from last year please. Bring him in for a wotkout and interview…if it doesn’t work, promote Hastings. The 40+ year old comment was directed at a fan, not a player
by rbprat10 on Dec 29, 2011 9:06 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The thing you probaby don't know about 40 year olds is....
They don’t heal as well as 20 year olds. They also can’t run full speed for as long. He’d be useless in a high level game like we’d have to play in New Orleans and in Green Bay.
Add in the Drama he brings with him, and it’s a recipie for disaster.
No Thank You…No to TO.
WHO’S GOT IT BETTER THAN US?? NO-BODY !
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
TO is not most 40 year olds
And he doesn’t have the limitations in medical resources that most 40 year olds have. I’d stake a large sum of money that he’s near 100%
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yup, he'll play against St. Louis and then...
He’ll sit.
A. Smith + tiger blood + Harbaugh = #winning
Actully, this is the perfect (Rams) game to discover....
if Hastings can play or not.
This is his audition, one shot, lets see what you got kid.
And beyond even that
It says EVERYTHING Harbaugh has been preaching since day 1. Practice hard, compete, learn your plays and when your chance comes, take it. If we are not willing to promote up a guy that has been doing everything the coaches ask when there is a need, how can they continue to believe Harbaugh when he says it.
I am confident that Jim is not going to intentionally put the team in a bad spot, and worse yet, Hastings in a bad spot. They have some expectation that the kid can get it done, or there would be no question. If they believe based on what they have seen in practice against our VERY GOOD defense, I am more than happy to give them the benefit of the doubt and see how it goes.
I agree
Everything about Jim Harbaugh suggests he cares about the football players on his team, actually cares about them as people and not just tools. He likes to see tham succeed and he likes to see the team succeed.
I think you are right that he wouldn’t put Hastings in a bad spot, but even more relevant…
I think he loves to put these guys in a position to be successful. He want’s these guys to be the best they can, to do the best they can, and he goes out of his way to facilitate them every way possible.
No one looks as happy for a guys success on the sidelines as Jim Harbaugh. He genuiniely looks elated when Frank Gore breaks a team record, or Aldon gets a good sack. I think he really wanted Alex to have a good carreer.
So if Hastings is good, Harbaugh will have given him everything he needs to do well. The bonus is – it all helps the team. After all what good is success if you can’t share it with the rest of the guys??
I don’t think you are wrong at all to trust Harbaugh with these younger players from small schools.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
I would assume the former NFL player
Would be one of the ones the Niners worked out earlier when rhey chose Swain, either Brian Finneran or Chris Chambers.
It's Jerry Rice
Everyone knows it’s Jerry, Comon man – Think! Who else would it be?
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
by Pat Willie on Dec 29, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Jerry >>>>>> TO
I would totally take Jerry over TO, any day and twice on Sundays (or Saturday if that is when our playoff games are scheduled).
So why does TO hold a record that he snatched away from Jerry like taking candy from a baby?
On Jerry’s farewell game to boot
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
He doe snot jest....
And don’t call him Shirley.
by David Fucillo on Dec 30, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
one record.
Rice owns just a few more than that.
by David Fucillo on Dec 29, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Was a better blocker too.
And Jerry almost fumblitised away the “catch 2”
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
one fumble....
TO had plenty of bonehead plays in his time.
by David Fucillo on Dec 29, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
plus a ton of drops.....
in THAT game alone lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 29, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
Kyle Williams was a 6th round pick who hardly played at all last year
and now I’d say he’s easily the 2nd best WR on the team (and have been saying that).
Hastings knows the playbook, the personnel, has chemistry with Alex, he’s a hard worker, everyone on the team likes him, he has good hands, runs good routes…what else makes a guy good beyond those factors? A big name?!? Heck NO!
Give the kid a chance. He’s gonna be the #4 WR once the playoffs start. Ginn and KW will be back by then.
We're as good as we play each week, no better, no worse.
Follow @Tre9er
by Tre9er on Dec 29, 2011 8:58 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
and if they're not?
Gore and Hunter will have 25 rushes a piece…I hope you are right
by rbprat10 on Dec 29, 2011 9:02 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
25 rushes a peice?
starters will probably not play much of this game anyways. this is going to be the game where swain and hastings will get to show what they can do. ginn and williams will be healthy for the first playoff game.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 29, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
What do you know?
Dude go back to college and learn something this time. Stop trying to sound smart with all this talk about playbook knowlege, good hands, knowing how to run routes, working hard, team chemistry, and reciever quarterback chemistry.
Also what does #4 WR have to do with it. Terrell Owens loves to be the #4 wide reciever, we could just ask his old @$% to do it. We don’t care about no playbook and chemistry.
You’re delusional!
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
by Pat Willie on Dec 29, 2011 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Get green!
Alex Smith is my homeboy.
Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."
...what else makes a guy good beyond those factors?
Supposedly “measured weaker for physical skills translating to the NFL.”. Harbaugh is no dummy. He will lead us to Victory by doing what is best for the team every step of the way. If he feels Joe is the best answer, I’m fine with that.
If he needs to bulk up
That’s easy…What do you think “sports suppliments” are for?
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Jim will do what is best for the team
But I also get the sense that Jim will never intentionally throw a guy under the bus. Even guys that are in his doghouse get the public props for what they are doing. Jim would not put Joe in this spot unless he believed Joe could get it done and succeed. At the beginning of the year, Jim had credibility earned by reputation. Now, Jim has credibility earned by performance as an HC. I am more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this. Even if he did something I disagree with like pursuing an aging A-hole that I would rather see gracing the tabloids than in a team photo. In this case, I love the promote from within idea. It meshes perfectly with all that Harbaugh has been preaching to the team from day 1.
Totally agree
I couldn’t agree more. Kyle is the #2 and could be the #1. He just needs to get his confidence going. About Joe Hastings, if he has sure hands, he could become a regular part of the core. We need someone to keep drives going and sure catches do that. You don’t have to have blazing speed to get open. You just need to run tricky routes and know how to get open. I’m surprised how many NFL receivers don’t know HOW to find an open soft spot. How many times have we seen “better” and “faster” players drop passes on critical downs and kill our drives? I’m still missing Josh Morgan because i think he was the best receiver we had but if Kyle and Joe develop well I think those can be the three core receivers for next year.
More about Kyle
If he gets his confidence up, I am hoping he has the makeup to be another Victor Cruz b/c I think he can do it. He has the tenacity and the speed and cut ability.
He's got better hands than Cruz
though Cruz is one confident son of a gun, and that helps at the position.
I really wish we hadn’t risked him on return duty. If the concussion was severe, could shorten his career.
Not sure about that one.
When it’s a crucial play, Cruz doesn’t miss. Kyle, I am not so sure yet. I have seen him drop easy ones.
You've seen Williams drop a pass?
when did he do this?
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Swing pass he tried to 1 hand
He has 20 catches on 30 targets so there is probably another in there you could classify as a drop.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
To use sure hands in a conservative offense you have to get open.
If he could do that they would have picked him over Swain. He’s going to be near useless blocking.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Well since we're on the subject ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
by Edggy on Dec 29, 2011 9:27 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
nice rec
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 29, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
D2 player of memory
Nate washington was D2 receiver and he was pretty good. Maybe this kid can turn into something special. Look what harbs has done with miller. Oh and HELL NO to TO
by david w gibson on Dec 29, 2011 9:45 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Practice squad corners....
I’ll be glad to see Hastings not only play, but get some passes thrown his way. StL is starting a cast of no-name DBs this week.
No name reciavers vs. no name corners
ESPN will certainly be coving this game in the highlights.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
So, random question
Is there a deadline for adding players to your roster before a game? I mean, I know Hastings and Reuland are on the P-squad so it’s not like they’re missing practice, but don’t teams usually make personnel transactions on Tuesdays?
Alex Smith is my homeboy.
Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."
the time has passed
If we got him today he could practice Friday before traveling to STL. He is not coming and it was never a story other than an ex-teammate from two years ago said that he is nice.
Who are you talking about?
Alex Smith is my homeboy.
Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."
Brett Favre
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
by Pat Willie on Dec 29, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I lol'd
I think he was talking about TO, but I didn’t mention him. I just wonder if the team has a deadline to promote its practice squad guys.
Alex Smith is my homeboy.
Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."
Let's give him a shot vs Rams
Nothing to lose here. I’m sure if he makes a spectacular catch, then he’s in. If not then, they may go after a vet for the playoffs.
HELL YA T.O.
it would be freaking awesome crabs , t.o. ,williams . I think it would no doubt help us in the playoffs . Reunion baby….
by ninerpride on Dec 29, 2011 1:31 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Slow. White. Hard Worker. Sure Hands. Quick.
Sounds like Wes Welker. I’m in.
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by return2greatness on Dec 29, 2011 2:04 PM PST reply actions
Welker
Fast, white, understands how to get open, better than sure hands, extremely quick.
This guy…. only has 1 of those for sure.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Ooh, I hope it's the "understands how to get open" one.
That could be really useful.
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TO
Fast. Black. Huge. Amongst the 3 best red zone receivers of all time. Amongst the 3 best jump ball receivers of all time. Understands how to get open. Average hands. Incredible blocker. Maybe the best blocking WR ever (tossup with Hines Ward). Breaks tackles. Incredibly hard worker. Has never quit on a team no matter how bad they are.
Negatives – Called a spade a spade when Donovan McNabb was trying to pass the buck for losing the Eagles ANOTHER shot at a title – 5 years they were the best in the NFL and nothing to show for it cause of McNabb.
Implied Jeff Garcia was gay – has never implied that about anybody else. Garcia was probably checking the male while they were in the shower together or maybe offered to give him a cocoa butter massage.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
We Welker
Ran a 4.61 40 at the combine. Joe Hastings you ask? 4.52
The reason Welker succeeds is because he has great hands and like you said, knows how to get open. From what I read above, Hastings has very good hands and runs great routes. Seems like he could be good. Not saying he’s the next Welker but he could be.
"I can honestly tell you that every time you win a game, it's like ... six hours of just the greatest feeling there is" - Jim Harbaugh
by return2greatness on Dec 29, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
Wes*
"I can honestly tell you that every time you win a game, it's like ... six hours of just the greatest feeling there is" - Jim Harbaugh
by return2greatness on Dec 29, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
Wes gets open because he can run his 4.52
And change directions on the head of a pin which leaves much faster guys standing there with broken ankles.
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