49ers Vs. Rams: What Is St. Louis Up To?
The 49ers head into their regular season finale against the St. Louis Rams facing a team that has had a fairly miserable season. The rumors are flying that Steve Spagnuolo is out the door with Jon Gruden unofficially on the team's radar. The team is tied with the Indianapolis Colts for the worst record in the draft and can secure the pick with a loss and a Colts win. The Colts are underdogs, but Jacksonville is not exactly a powerhouse so an Indy win is entirely possible.
I took a few minutes to chat with Ryan from Turf Show Times, primarily to get an idea of the mindset of this team heading into the finale. I don't expect Steve Spagnuolo and his squad to just roll over, but there's also a reason they're 2-13. The 49ers are better than the Rams, but these last few weeks have shown just how crazy things can get in this league. Ideally the 49ers can grab a quick lead and put this thing away, and maybe even get some rest for guys like Frank Gore and an offensive lineman or two. But, the 49ers will need to be prepared for the Rams to come out with everything but the kitchen sink in this one.
Niners Nation: How exactly do the Rams play this game? On the one hand, they could potentially screw a long-time rival out of a key second round bye. On the other hand, they have a realistic chance at the #1 pick. How do you think they play out and how do Rams want them to play it?
Turf Show Times: Oddly enough, one of the more frustrating things about head coach Steve Spagnuolo is his weekly retort that the team will approach the next game just like they approach the last one, the last one usually being a loss. The Rams will play like they always have this season, with effort, but not enough to win, because they just don't have enough to win. I know a number of fans would love to see the Rams get the top pick in the draft, just for the promise it brings along with a new administration at Rams Park.
NN: Can you describe your cornerback situation heading into this game? The 49ers wide receiver corps is dealing with a variety of injuries and may be adding a practice squad player to the active roster for Sunday, so this could be a mildly intriguing battle.
TST: None of the Rams current corners were on the roster to begin the season. Injuries have wiped out the top five players at that position for the Rams. It's almost like some strange trick of the cosmos. This unit struggled against Vernon Davis before, and will again. If Crabtree and Davis both play, the Rams will have a hard time covering them.
NN: Although it has little to do with this game, what does the coming offseason hold for Steve Spagnuolo and the Rams?
TST: Spagnuolo is gone. That has not been confirmed by the team, but coaches who own 10 wins over their first three seasons don't last long in a league where turnarounds happen from year to year. The Rams will most likely have a new coach and general manager, which ought to make January pretty interesting. Both Jon Gruden and Jeff Fisher have been mentioned as possibilities, but I suspect those names will come up in regards to most openings.
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How did they beat the Saints?
Real question. The Niners would have to have a letdown similar to @ ARI to lose. I don’t want to see that as happening.Just don’t let them hang around or it could get ugly. I’m gonna predict 42-3 and be done with it.
that is funny
But if it happens, I will do a flying kick into my tv.
by marinfrs on Dec 29, 2011 3:17 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think a 24-10 type score is most likely
but how would the 49ers lose to the Rams? Probably 2 catastrophic plays. Like a sack fumble TD, and a special teams TD.
Particularly if one of them happens near the beginning of the game and sort of gets the fans and players “up” for the upset.
49ers have to be ready for the game and play it hard. Saints lost for the same reason they lost to Tampa, every power passing attack has 1 or 2 absolute stinkers each year. It’s funny that the difference between the 49ers getting a bye and not getting a bye could be that Rams win, in doors, on artificial turf.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 29, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
Just please let the Colts lose. I don’t want to deal with the Rams with probably multiple first rounders and second rounders for the Luck pick
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 29, 2011 9:14 AM PST reply actions
I agree, but not just for those reasons
I also think that the Colts having the first pick is so much more interesting from a football landscape and legacy perspective.
If the Rams get it it’s much more of a standard trade the pick to a team that needs a QB, get 2 1sts and 2 2nds back. Boring. Rams likely wouldn’t truly feel the effects of it for 2-3 years ( at which point we’d hope that Luck is a pro bowler and their cache of picks has become mediocre starters )
by whistlingmountain on Dec 29, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Nothing about the Rams getting the pick would be standard.
They will be cleaning house, it would be very interesting to see if they choose to dump Bradford for a shot at Luck. All depends on the staff that is hired. There’s all kinds of discussion on what they’d do, you can’t just assume they’d stick with Bradford and trade the pick.
I’d rather see the Colts get the pick too though.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
by Virginia9er on Dec 29, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
They're not going to dump bradford unless they're planning to move to LA
we can assume it.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 29, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
O " boy " ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
No
There is all kind of discussion about it, but carry on.
Ask an actual Rams fan.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
by Virginia9er on Dec 29, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Like asking an actual 49ers fan about Alex Smith?
They’re the least rational about it right now in both directions.
NFL teams do not trade their in-prime marketable players unless they are a disruptive force that no longer wants to be there. Go find me 1 example in the last 10 years that hadn’t already been benched, way past their prime, badly injured or formally requesting a trade. It doesn’t happen in the NFL. Ever. It’s not some flukey thing. It never happens.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 29, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m saying there is debate about it (which there is), you are saying it is forgone conclusion. No reason to continue this nonsense.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
by Virginia9er on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
It's only nonsense when you say things like
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reason to continue this nonsense[/quote]No one is forcing you to reply with generic statements about how nothing is decided until it is decided.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
and I messed up the quote tags, boo.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
No it is nonsense when I simply say there is debate about it and you claim it open and shut.
Can’t even allow for debate about whether there is debate, it’s useless to continue with that attitude.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
by Virginia9er on Dec 29, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, whether the Colts or Rams get the first pick makes a hell of a difference ... maybe even to us!
When we learn who gets the #1 pick, I’ll have a post of some interest.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Dec 29, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Rams may still be in position to do draft day bonazza trade
Isn’t their worst case scenario ending up with the 2nd or 3rd pick in the 1st round?
If so….. some team looking for Q.B. will appraoch them with a trade package… their are other super Q..B.’s who will be on the board then other then Luck.
This 2012 draft really will be a key test for our GM Balke because he has never picked players at the end of draft rounds….so we will indeed discover just how talented of an eye he truely has, or has not.
I like how much later round picks have contributed
I’m not too worried as there seems to be an eye for gems in the later rounds, so I think Baalke will be okay picking later
by snowweasel30 on Dec 29, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Let me ask a really simple question ...
IF you could reunite Luck and Harbaugh WITHOUT decimating our roster or draft picks, would you do it? If you say NO, you’re simply not being honest with yourself. Such a trade IS POSSIBLE!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Dec 29, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Rams trade with Cleveland for 5, 22, 36 and next years 1
Rams trade the 5 (RG3) with Cincinnati for the 20 and 23 and their 2nd
Rams draft 20, 22, 23, 33, 36, 55
Rams trade 20 and 33 to move up to 9
- They select Riley Rieff or John Martin OT
- They select Peter Konz C
- They select Alshon Jeffrey or Janoris Jenkins/Alfonso Dennard
- They select Mike Adams OT or Nick Toon WR
- They select Stephon Gilmore S. Carolina
Nightmare scenario
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Completely renovate their line or mostly renovate it
while adding 1 – 2 1st round caliber receivers and a couple starting caliber CBs sadface
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
49ers Have to put the peddel to the metal this game...
9ers goal…..
Score T/D’s
Bury Rams by halftime
Substitute some starters (hopefully including Alex) start of the 2nd half
Let back-ups Prove they can handle bussiness in the second half
Aldon gets the rookie SACK record
Joe Hastings blows our minds because he proved he can play & play very well.
We get the heck out of there without injuries
We all SMILE because we are the 2nd seeded team !
Not so fast my friend ( in my best Lee Corso impersontation)
If Joe Hastings is to play in this game, Alex will have to stay in as much as possible, to get as many in-game rep’s as possible with his new receiver.
by Ricans love football too on Dec 29, 2011 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
(IF) 9ers are up big....
I don’t think they risk keeping Alex in the game simply so he and Hastings can gain more chemistry. That would be goofy.
However, I do hope to see Hastings get some balls go his way while Alex is in the game.
And we still can discover if Hastings is legit or not with Kaepernick going to him.
Main goal….
Win, and hopefully win BIg by scoring T/D’s
Get out with zero injuries
Aldon gets rookie sack record !
Isn't Swain ahead of Hastings?
I would expect if Ginn and KW are out for the game then Swain may get a start with Hastings as the 3rd WR. I am more concerned what Swain can do with the starters because he is more likely to see action.
by Critical Roach on Dec 29, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
similar reason
Why every wr need also brings out the calls for TO
by marinfrs on Dec 29, 2011 3:20 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Blowing the Rams out and resting starters should be the least of their worries
They get a week off if they win. Just win, play a nice consistent game and win. Doesn’t matter how ugly or boring or whatever, just win. There are no style points left this season, every game is must win.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 29, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
you are right, as long as there are no injuries and we win
its all good
Coach Harbaugh is the truth!!
This game should be viewed as the first playoff game. A win, and we don’t have to play the first round of games. That’s one full game of resting all the starters and backups, getting another week to heal up and one less chance of something crazy happening like what happened to the Saints last year. I’m sure Harb doesn’t need me to tell them that. I’m sure that Caro isn’t gonna beat NO
by marinfrs on Dec 29, 2011 5:07 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
not gonna lay down. Those guys are gonna play hard for their coaches who they know will be gone…and playing for future contracts. May not play well….but will play hard
similar sentiments about Arizona last year
and they laid down. there’s a strong emotional component to getting up for football games. They could very well be emotionally out of it by the 2nd quarter.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 29, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
tell that to your players
ok, most of you guys may never play again. But the future coaching staff could use the picks.
Again, I don't consider it "laying" down
so much as just not being emotionally up in the way that you HAVE to be in the NFL. I think it happens to a certain percentage of players on a week to week basis, but down the stretch, particularly the last game of the season, it’s a larger percentage and can sometimes just consume a game.
No players are going into the game with a “screw this” attitude, but when it’s 13-3 in the 2nd quarter and some players aren’t finishing to the whistle, or arm tackling to avoid injury, it will encourage other players to do that. When the stadium is quiet on a “big” 3rd down.. it’ll be deflating.
If the Rams are in this game it will be because of a couple early big gaffes by the 49ers resulting in points. Even at 0-0 in the 2nd I’d expect the Rams to fade quickly and harshly in the 2nd half.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 29, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
I hope the Rams get Gruden and dump that Bronco's coach Josh Mcwhatever
The Rams need help. They are our only rivals in this division and it’s sad to see them like this. I feel bad for Steven Jackson.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
horsefeathers
I’m not the least bit sad and if they struggle thru another crappy season or 2 or 3 so be it.
"One game at a time. Let's just keep it rolling." Justin Smith
I hope they get Gruden too
But it’s not because I like them.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
A Niner Fan Sorry for the Rams?
The Rams moved back east…screw them.
I like the new grudge we have with Seattle, a team on the west coast.
by Critical Roach on Dec 29, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
so if they (Rams) get the number 1 pick
do they get Luck? do they get Luck and trade him? do they trade Bradford? do they trade the pick for other picks?
Coach Harbaugh is the truth!!
They trade the Luck pick for sure
Or they trade Bradford for picks
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
i think they would get more for the pick
im interested to see what a Ram fan thinks. what they think about Bradford and if it would be a good idea to give up on him and go for Luck?
Coach Harbaugh is the truth!!
If the Rams get the 1st pick
then Lucks will need to start house hunting in Cleveland.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 29, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Trade the Pick
the Browns seems like they have the best pieces (Draft Picks) to get Luck. I thought McCoy would be the franchise player, but the pieces around him are pretty bad. Dont know if Holmgren is ready to give up on him. But If you have a chance to Get Luck they should jump on it.
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Well , lets not rule out Jerry Jones trading his Stadium for that pick ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
I don't see that happening
W/Romo under C. Lot of if’s though on the possibility of St. Louis winning the Luck sweepstakes. I mean, Bradford doesn’t have very many weapons to throw to, even if he were healthy. And do you really go prospecting for another QB after just 2 seasons?? What would that say about FO loyalty if they throw in the towel this fast?
I don’t know that anybody would want to go to St. Louis even after they clean house, regardless of who their new coach might be. It’s a total cluster**** (pardon my French) every which way in that organization. They have draft picks, yes, but those alone can only get a team so far when it seems like you’re changing coaching staffs every year…the way we literally did w/our OC back in the day.
Having said that, I think they trade for more picks instead of taking Luck. They drafted Bradford 1st overall to be their franchise QB and I don’t see them giving up on him after a mere 2 years of having drafted him. You build around him; supposedly w/his pinpoint accuracy, he’ll improve…because…well, as far as I cam tell, he can’t do much worse
by Doni S on Dec 29, 2011 3:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well, how about trading the pick to us??
by 49erFanSince1950 on Dec 29, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
We don't want it. Luck is overrated
RG 3 is a different story
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 29, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
RG3
won the Heisman and if history is any indicator, Heisman winners no really an out @ the NFL level…
by Doni S on Dec 29, 2011 7:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
don’t really pan out, I meant to say…sorry about the misspelling there…
by Doni S on Dec 29, 2011 7:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Occasionally they come through.
RG 3 is a combination Heisman winners Barry Sanders, Sam Bradford and Charles Woodson.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 30, 2011 1:19 AM PST up reply actions

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