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Carlos Rogers Pro Bowl Selection: Nnamdi Who?

Earlier this week, 49ers cornerback Carlos Rogers was named a starter on the 2012 NFC Pro Bowl roster, in what will be his first Pro Bowl selection. He will join Charles Woodson as one of the two starting corners for the team, pending either the 49ers or Packers ending up in the Super Bowl. If either team makes it, Seahawks corner Brandon Browner is the first alternate.

What is mildly amusing is that Nnamdi Asomugha only ended up as the second alternate. Nnamdi is a great corner, but he has had some struggles in Philadelphia this season, as has much of the Eagles roster. I find it mildly amusing given how insane it was getting around here during Nnamdi Watch back in late July. I was just as much a part of that as anybody else, particularly given that media reports were making it seem like the 49ers were loading their eggs in the Nnamdi basket. It ended up not really playing out that way, but at the time, insanity ruled.

In his weekly power rankings, SI's Don Banks asked how many people prior to the season would have picked Rogers as the Pro Bowler and Nnamdi as the second alternate. I don't know how many of us would have made that selection, but if you also told me that Rogers would improve his hands issues on interception attempts, I would been somewhat inclined to think he might make the Pro Bowl. After all, much of the Pro Bowl voting is about the high profile players, and interceptions generally make the difference for a cornerback's Pro Bowl case.

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This also comes as ESPN's KC Joyner included Rogers in his four top defensive game-plan nightmares. The article is Insider-protected, so I wanted to at least provide a quick rundown of it. The four players listed were Steelers safety Troy Polamalu, Ravens OLB Terrell Suggs, Lions DT Ndamukong Suh and Rogers.

In describing why Rogers was a matchup nightmare, Joyner described Rogers as a guy who can be both a cover corner and a ballhawk. Where many corners fall into one category or the other, Rogers could fall into both because he can handle cover duties, but is also willing to take risks to grab picks. The risks come in part because he can know he has another guy helping on the back end. He described Rogers as follows:

His 6.4 overall YPA, 7.7 vertical YPA and 6.8 stretch vertical YPA totals would all place him into the shutdown coverage corner column, but he has augmented those numbers with six interceptions, tied for fourth in the league. (Note: Vertical passes are those thrown 11 or more yards downfield, and stretch-verticals are those thrown 20 or more yards). The interceptions are not just a fluke, either, as Rogers also has six near interceptions. The NFC playoff picture is filled with pass-heavy teams, but those offenses should avoid throwing at Rogers in the postseason.

Rogers has said multiple times that he wants to finish out his career with the 49ers. How do the 49ers handle his contract situation? He's having the best season of his career, so he's definitely worthy of some bucks. At the same time, he turned 30 just prior to the start of the season. How do you handle a new contract for Rogers?

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How crazy is it

That we actually ended up with the best corner FA from the offseason.

Hope they sign this dude to an extension

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by EcERyda69 on Dec 29, 2011 1:44 PM PST reply actions  

We didnt. Nmadi's misuse isnt his fault.

"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"

by rlott#42 on Dec 29, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think you’ll find much argument about him being used incorrectly, but that doesn’t account for the totality of his play this year. Which still hasn’t been that good.

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Dec 29, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

he hasn’t been used 100% properly, but I’ve seen plenty of Eagles games this year, and he hasn’t been that great (missing tackles, bad coverage, etc)

by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 29, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes when a player is unhappy

They may deliberately miss tackles and play poorly I think. If you watch Nmadi, it actually looks like he’s trying to run away from/avoid contact at times. Or maybe his head/heart just isn’t in to it.

by whatsURdeal on Dec 29, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

It accounts for majority of it in my opinion. The money paid, for a press man corner.

Everyone in this league on defense and special teams has missed some tackles. The Eagles paid a high price for a corner that didn’t fit their scheme. Not Nnamdi’s fault, just like it isn’t Smith’s fault he was taken at an undeserving slot, he didn’t pick himself.

"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"

by rlott#42 on Dec 29, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

So now are you OK with Rogers missing some tackles every now and then?

"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt this team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh

by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 29, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It isn't just like Smith

Nnamdi was a free agent, he got to choose where he went. Still not all his fault, but his poor play isn’t due wholly to scheme, it is a big contributor though.

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Dec 29, 2011 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

8 year 80 million dollar contract with 10 million guaranteed . . . .

just kidding.

5 year, 50 million dollar contract, 20 million guaranteed and last three years low base pay with high performance incentives.

by reedkrase on Dec 29, 2011 1:51 PM PST reply actions  

I'll do 5 for 50...

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by manraj7 on Dec 29, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

overreactions is the way of NN

Here is how we acted when Nnamdi signed with Philly
Here is Carlos Rogers No real enthusiasm.
The 49ers are doing great no thanks to the brains here at Ninersnation.

by mcwagner on Dec 29, 2011 2:10 PM PST reply actions  

Harbaugh is a genius

He correctly differentiates between “coachable” talent and “hype” and is doing a terrific job. One that we’ve been seeking for over a decade. I only wish we would have gotten a few more Stanford players….

by wellnesscoach on Dec 29, 2011 2:26 PM PST reply actions  

Stanford? As a Golden Bear, I wish we could have got more from Berkeley.

I also went to Rutgers Law, so every time Anthony Davis flattens someone I smile.

by LopakaPaniolo on Dec 29, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

How so? They did put in a bid for Nmadi.

"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"

by rlott#42 on Dec 29, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

How so? They did put in a bid for Nmadi.

"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"

by rlott#42 on Dec 29, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

there will be lots of FA the 49ERS will have to think about

i think most of them want to come back. some we will have to over pay to keep. but what about the ones that will ask or get better offers from other teams? also we might lose some coaches as well.

Coach Harbaugh is the truth!!

by chris z on Dec 29, 2011 2:33 PM PST reply actions  

No More Than 3 Years

Sheesh, he’s 30 years old!

by scrappydog on Dec 29, 2011 2:37 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

He’s not a RB…

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Dec 29, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

3-4 year deal...

hopefully rogers will be inclined to do a deal of that nature….though seeing as how its gonna be his big payday and final ‘big’ contract i doubt he will box himself into a 3/4 year deal…5 years is stretching it but is probably what its gonna take and probably $9-11 mil a year??

by MUAJxxCEEM on Dec 29, 2011 2:43 PM PST reply actions  

I think he will want a five year deal.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 29, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I think there is a decent chance of Culliver starting next to Tarell Brown next year.

with Tremaine Brock competing with another rookie for the third qb spot.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 29, 2011 3:02 PM PST reply actions  

4 yr 30 mil

And don’t go crazy backloading the contract, or you’ll just get us in trouble down the road

by mrg80 on Dec 29, 2011 3:04 PM PST reply actions  

Id still rather have Nmadi.

"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"

by rlott#42 on Dec 29, 2011 3:05 PM PST reply actions  

No tackle looked like Spencer last year Nnamdi lol

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 29, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

For the same price, sure.

"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt this team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh

by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 29, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

No, more, hed be better in our scheme.

"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"

by rlott#42 on Dec 29, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep, you can't really compare the two at this point considering the margin between what their current contracts are.

Depending on what Carlos gets in his new deal, you could be right. I don’t think we will pay a cornerback 10 mil a year though like Nnamdi is getting.

"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt this team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh

by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 29, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Rogers next contract will be five year deal

between a $48,750,000 that Johnathan Joseph got and the $60,000,000 deal that Nnamdi got. It may be a little less but not much than those two numbers.

JJ got 23.25 about guaranteed and Nnamdi got 25million guaranteed.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 29, 2011 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

I'm not sure that Rogers has consistently

put up the type of numbers to merit that kind of guaranteed money.

Matt Cain is better than you, but apparently not cool enough for Showtime.

by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

someone will pay the man. all it take is one team.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 29, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you're right

I was just thinking out loud, if I’m the Niners, I’m not sure if I want to pay him that kind of money.

Matt Cain is better than you, but apparently not cool enough for Showtime.

by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I am also thinking that

he could have also played this way just because he is in a contract year, all depends on his effort in previous years. Corner backs are valuable though hope the niners are not cheap and can figure out a way to structure the deal to make he stay. Culliver is showing good promise and Rogers and Culliver next to each other could be a good tandem for a few years.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 29, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Doubt it.

"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"

by rlott#42 on Dec 29, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

In our Defensive Scheme,

I’m curious whether Nnamdi would have had a Pro-Bowl Starter caliber year.

Matt Cain is better than you, but apparently not cool enough for Showtime.

by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 3:08 PM PST reply actions  

I hate when we have to negotiate in the year a player becomes a Pro-Bowler

Typically that honor makes the players agents head swell big time…thinking he can get some team to break the bank for his client.

How much money do players honestly need…where does enjoyment from playing with their team mates, coaches, city, fans come in. How much value is that?

Rogers has NEVER experienced as much success as he has had here…hopefully Rogers takes that into consideration and the fact that this tram should compete for many more playoff opportunities.

by BigMar on Dec 29, 2011 3:11 PM PST reply actions  

This is his last chance for a big contract though, and really his last chance to earn big money for his entire life. Can’t really blame him for taking a generous offer

Matt Cain is better than you, but apparently not cool enough for Showtime.

by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Goldson.....................................
Typically that honor makes the players agents head swell big time

lol

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 29, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

A la Montana, Lott.etc?

Walsh felt it was better to cut a player a year early than a year late, supposedly..

by whatsURdeal on Dec 29, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

whats this point youre trying to make?

"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"

by rlott#42 on Dec 29, 2011 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

agree.

I want both. A player to take less to be on a team that got them to success and a team taking care of their players. Doesn’t mean it happens. Its not Rogers fault we only gave him a one year contract and he outperformed expectations.

by mcwagner on Dec 29, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone think the quality of 9ers players around Rogers help him?

or the quality of coaches teaching him?

Maybe there is SOMETHING more than only the amount of money to make a player think…“finally, I found my home, and THIS is where I want to remain”

by BigMar on Dec 29, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

could be unrelated to football

Wife and kids are happy and the money is good enough

by mcwagner on Dec 29, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Hell yes

In particular, having the Smiths constantly putting pressure on the QB helps Rogers immensely.

by Bigmouth on Dec 30, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

The thing is Rogers was a good Corner in Washington

He just had the stigma of those stone hands and played for an abyssmal defense his entire career. This year, he improved on actually making the interceptions rather than just dropping sure INTs, and he is playing for the best defense in the league whose team has a 13-3 record. It’s not surprising that he is now being recognized as a top CB in the conference.

Let’s hope that as he said earlier this year that he wanted to remain here and would take a deal that is fair to both himself and the team. If he leaves in FA, then we could be looking at a high CB selection in the draft. On the bright side, I believe the franchise tag now pays less than it did in previous years in relation to the formula used to determine the salary of the franchised player. We know Smith won’t get the franchise, he’ll get a new contract, so that leaves the tag open for Rogers or Goldson.

by 9thevolution on Dec 30, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

He was inconsistent

He was great in 2008, bad in 2009, and good in 2010.

by Bigmouth on Dec 30, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

This was a fantastic sign by Baalke , hope he can make it a long term one ...!!

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by Edggy on Dec 29, 2011 5:14 PM PST reply actions  

I'd be fine with a 4 year contract.

If he wants a lot of guaranteed money, the rest of the contract should be incentive driven and the total contract should be lower. However if he’s willing to take less guaranteed money, the total contract should be several million dollars higher.

Then again he’s not being paid with my money so everyone on this team should be getting 10 year 50 million dollar contracts. Except for Chilo. He only gets a 7 year 30 million dollar contract :P

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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 29, 2011 7:01 PM PST reply actions  

It's too bad we only had Rogers signed for 1 year.

Then again we’ve seen the worst of a 1 year contract and the best. Best case scenario you can easily cut ties with an under performer like Braylon and worse you would have to pay big money to keep your a star if he plays extremely well like Carlos.

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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 29, 2011 7:06 PM PST reply actions  

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