The Santa Clara 49ers?
I like waffles. Sometimes, I like to waffle. When it comes to whether or not I want the 49ers to move to Santa Clara, just pour syrup over my head and grab a fork and knife.
This issue is so frustratingly simple - really pecuniary interests are the only complexities - and yet, I want to make it complex. I want other people to agonize over whether or not the Niners should move. Most everybody I've talked to have pretty clear opinions on this issue, that is if they are a Niners fan. My dad thinks it would be cool for them to move to Santa Clara: it would be a nicer stadium and a closer drive for the family to get to games.
For me, though, (and I suspect for some of you) this issue is fraught with conflicting rules and regulations about how to think, and this drives me bonkers. I feel like a psychological experiment, some sorry subject boiling over with unbridled fandom in a sick laboratory. This ain't no Billy Nye run laboratory, too. It's scary.
At the end of the day, I just can't make up my mind: the rational part of my brain has already ceded that Santa Clara is the way to go, but then the deep, dark underbelly of my emotions cannot relinquish the tenuous grasp it has upon my heart. I really just don't want the 49ers to leave San Francisco.
Follow me after the jump to get some hot and sexy psychoanalysis on (Bow Chicka Wow Wow!).
In his 1933 supplement to his original lectures, Sigmund Freud writes that the id is:
the dark, inaccessible part of our personality ... We approach the id with analogies: we call it a chaos, a cauldron full of seething excitations ... It is filled with energy reaching it from the instincts, but it has no organization, produces no collective will, but only a striving to bring about the satisfaction of the instinctual needs subject to the observance of the pleasure principle.[1]
Ooh... Can't you just feel those instincts coursing through you? Don't try and fight it. Search your feelings, you know it to be true. Nobody here wants the 49ers to move out of San Francisco. Nobody! NOBODDDDDYYYYY!
Come on! Relish in those emotions! Let your instincts kick in! Quick: word associate with me. San Francisco? 49ers!, you shout. They belong together. Feel that adrenaline coursing through your veins. It feels good, doesn't it? That's truth right there. That's why the 49ers can't leave the city. There are songs about. Name me a song about Santa Clara. If there isn't a song about a city then it doesn't deserve a football team.
Plus they've been their your entire football life. The 49ers: born and raised in San Francisco. Do you want them to leave the city of Joe Montana? Steve Young? Ronnie Lott? The GOAT?
Grasp onto the chaos! Subsume the cauldron full of seething excitations! Make it part of who you are, because your id is all you are!
Now laugh maniacally with me! MUAHAHAHAHA.
Whew. Time to take a deep breath. Let's take a step back from our collective ids for a moment to make a point. There is a part of me that whips up into a frenzy every time I think about the 49ers moving to Santa Clara - or anywhere that isn't San Francisco, for that matter.
A good friend of mine worked for the Gavin Newsom for Governor campaign for awhile, and I used to joke that he would have my vote if he found a way to keep the 49ers in San Francisco. Now, this obviously isn't an excuse for us to launch into political talk (keep it civil, guys!) by any means, but I just wanted to bring up this example to show how absolutely irrational I can be about this team moving. I would be willing to sell away probably my greatest civic tool for change for my sports team.
So, yes, my emotionally driven instincts compel me to embrace this feeling of nostalgia. Is it misguided? I don't know, but there is a certain comfort and sincerity in tradition that I don't want to let go. The 49ers have a strong claim to the "greatest football dynasty" and part of that tradition is the City. We should all be sad to let that go.
This feeling is in contrast to my more rational understand of the situation. Freud, in his chapter "The Ego and the Id" from On Metapsychology, describes the ego as a man on a horse:
The ego represents what may be called reason and common sense, in contrast to the id, which contains the passions ... in its relation to the id it is like a man on horseback, who has to hold in check the superior strength of the horse; with this difference, that the rider tries to do so with his own strength, while the ego uses borrowed forces.[2]
I must keep my rational mind at the forefront of thought, in this regard. I think it is easy to let the horse gallop out of control: it's an exhilarating feeling, just as emotional ranting is.
But, at the end of the day, I understand that a stadium in Santa Clara is much better for the team, both as a sports team and a business. In fact, the two are hardly separate.
A new stadium represents an increased source of income; it represents greater parking and less traffic; a stadium in Santa Clara (hopefully) represents less crime without excluding certain groups of people for lower socio-economic areas.
Perhaps more importantly, though, it represents the creation of a new tradition, with an eye toward the old one. We will still be the San Francisco 49ers and we will still be in touch with our Walshian roots. But, we will be in Silicon Valley, the heart of California's tomorrow.
So, I'm torn. Rationally, I want to go with Jed and help him break ground. I don't want to let go of my instincts, though. I don't want to let go of the instincts which tell me to grasp at whatever proverbial straws I can until 49ers remain in San Francisco.
Only time will tell which argument wins out. I have to imagine that in the long-run my rational side will. It will be hard to go to Santa Clara, to an awesome new, state-of-the-art facility and not rejoice. But there's no way I won't be nostalgic whenever I darn well please.
[1] Freud, Sigmund. New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis. Vol. 2. New York: Penguin Freud Library, 1991. Print. Pages 105-106.
[2] Freud, Sigmund. On Metapsychology: the Theory of Psychoanalysis. London: Penguin, 1991. Print. Pages 363-364
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I'm anti-SantaClara .... Can we send Jed a petition??
Agree with your points, the deeply rooted fan inside me despises the fact that the SAN FRANCISCO 49ers will be moving to Santa Clara in just a few years. I don’t know how i’d feel about going out to Santa Clara (45 miles away!) to watch the San Francisco 49ers…..when I live in San Francisco.
It would be awesome to see a poll of how much of the fan base agrees with the move. I’d also like to see some form of petition, that I’d be happy to sign, to show Jed York how much of the fan base would rather appreciate a re-building of Candlestick. Why not make it a collective effort to help rebuild that area of Hunters Point and create easier freeway access and public transportation? It’s a shame to see the team go….
Why is our off-season more exciting than our regular season?!
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Jim Harbaugh Era = Santa Clara Era ??
I’d rather see a REVIVAL of the 49ers Legacy that was born and raised in San Francisco.
Why is our off-season more exciting than our regular season?!
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season tickets
I need to find a link but I thought I saw somewhere that only something like 10% of season ticket holders actually live in San Francisco.
by David Fucillo on Dec 3, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Well.... of course
If your paying rent/mortgage in the city of San Francisco… buying season tickets regularly is probably a challenge lol
Why is our off-season more exciting than our regular season?!
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collaborative efforts with SF
As for collective efforts with San Francisco, the politics of SF are so insane it would just stretch this out even further.
by David Fucillo on Dec 3, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
this is the city that elected Nancy Pelosi
i wouldn’t expect any political sanity anytime soon
by MattSFfrd on Dec 4, 2011 6:42 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Why would your rebuild in an area that has proven problems
That would take billions to fix. And many problems no amount of money can fix? Candlestick is a very flawed location, always has been. In fact it’s so flawed that the stadium never should have been built there if not for a cunning act of trickery by the part of the city government that they perpetuated on the Giants in the late 50’s.
by athletics68 on Dec 3, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
They looked into Hunters Point and found it was way to costly to build the infrastructure needed.
Hadn’t heard about the cunning act of trickery. Maybe you could write a fan post about the history of Candlestick?
I might
But the story about how the mayor took the Giants out to Candlestick Pt during a nice sunny morning when the winds are favorable is pretty infamous. If he’d taken them out there on a summer afternoon they never would have agreed to building there.
Mayor George Christopher
He owned the land and he owned the construction company that built it.
"It's impossible to hide the fire inside" - Bob Seger
Similar reaction on my part
I’m also additionally against it because I feel like the stadium will be farther away from me, which is completely irrational because I currently live in new Orleans’s.
I just wish that stadium near pacbell proposal had at least came close to getting off the ground. At the same time though the Santa Clara stadium should be an upgrade for most people, it should be easier to get to for most people. But I guess deep down I don’t care about most people I care about me! and I want the stadium in SF.
C'mon bro , were not trying to Terra form Mars here ...
… if your having such cauldron of Fraudulent conveyance behavior , then push to have Santa Clara change it’s name to San Francisco …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
by Edggy on Dec 3, 2011 4:21 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Ummmm not a bad idea Edggy
The City of San Francisco could annex all the smaller towns and cities between it an San Jose and call the entire area San Francisco.
I for one live in Walnut Creek, grew up in Alameda as a 49ers and Giants fan… so having them stay in the immediate bay area is the WIN for me.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
It's kinda like L. A . ...Los Angles as a whole isn't that big , but from Orange County to Semi Valley is considered L.A ... !!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Annex? LOL.
Annex Palo Alto? They have more money on the Peninsula then in the city.
As someone who grew up in the south bay and has lived in the east bay as well
I have none of the conflicting emotion about this you have. Santa Clara, San Jose, and Oakland are all part of the San Francisco Bay Area (ostensibly “San Francisco” to many outsiders). We’re all one big region and the Niners are just moving around within that region just as I have my whole life. Being in San Francisco isn’t all that important, what’s more important is they’re still in the San Francisco Bay Area, the SF MSA, the SF TV market, etc… Nothing is changing except their stadium is WAY nicer and the drive is a little longer for some people and shorter for others.
by athletics68 on Dec 3, 2011 4:26 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
I wrote my remark to Edggy above and then read yours. Same thing. The San Francisco 49ers are still HERE!
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
candlestick sucks
There is no where to build a stadium in SF. Santa clara is close, like a lot of teams in the nfl. Keep the name of ur city but play in another that is close. See ny giants/jets, dallas cowboys. At least they aren’t trying to leave the area all together. See rams, raiders, ravens/browns, colts, oilers/titans. Everyone needs to find something better to complain about rather than a 45min drive. Keep it in the bay and I’m happy. Don’t care where, we need a stadium and santa clara is playing along a lot better than SF.
by david w gibson on Dec 3, 2011 9:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wish more A's fans had this attitude
There has been more bellyaching from the A’s fan base about leaving Oakland to go to a more lucrative location in the same overall “city.”
I have been a 49ers, Giants, Raiders and A's fan (yes, it can be done but the Niners and A's are on top of my list) for all of my life (A's since they got here)
I think San Jose is the best thing that can happen to the A’s… keeps them in the area and more money available down there.
Santa Clara for the 49ers allows easier access for more people for the east, south and west bay area.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
It's not a 45-minute drive on game day...
Traffic in the Bay Area is usually an abortion, and during any kind of sizable event, it gets worse. As far as I’m concerned, 45 miles is too far out. However, the chance that they’d stay put is realistically nil. Nobody sane would try to do business in San Francisco. It runs neck-and-neck with Oakland for corruption and incompetence, and probably beats even Marin County for the entitled, and/or crazed, NIMBY, Master-of-the-Universe busybodies clogging up the political process at every turn.
It's only 38 miles, and the traffic on weekends on the peninsula is light
Getting to games on Sunday should be very easy between the two freeways that lead directly to the site.
Neighborhood
It’s all about the neighborhood for me. The Hunters Point/Candlestick area is a straight-up slum. Nasty, dirty, run down buildings, dangerous, rude inhabitants, and Candlestick itself is a JOKE. I’m sorry, but the escalators always break down, the restrooms are horrible, parking is a mess outside of the one cement lot, and getting out of there is a NIGHTMARE. The Santa Clara neighborhood is great and there are TONS of easy ways to get in and out of there.
Not a troll
by Riding The F Train on Dec 3, 2011 4:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
take the stairs wus!
The bathroom situation is horrible, though. I just hope they don’t go all corporate retarded on the beer/food. If you’ve ever been to the Cardinals stadium, you’ll know what I’m talking about.
Is Candlestick
even technically in the city limits of SF? Or is it in South SF? Not sure where the line is. Just curious….
In Harbaugh We Trust.
It's in SF but just barely. The "Candlestick" exit off 101 is actually in Brisbane.
The line literally runs just south of the stadium.
Im all for it if we get a really nice new stadium. But unfortunately the new one looks like a collage field.
Im i the only one who thinks this?? I mean thats what we get for 900 mil? The cowboys and jets new stadiums shit on our.
It is a bit unorthodox
Not sure how the field is a collage though, it will have your standard field markings and logos. Unless you’d like to see a bunch of 49er history painted on the field, pictures of the greats, newspaper clippings and such…
:)
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
Not sure why you think that
This stadium looks a hell of a lot nicer than the boring, drab, Meadowlands Stadium. Jerry’s world is nicer, but then it cost almost half again more and wasn’t built in the heart of a the Bay Area (the most expensive region in the country).
Also, Jerry's stadium is not in Dallas...
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Im not a fan of the plain "green" look its going for. Id rather it be something thats makes me think "how the hell did they make this"
Just seems like all the new stadiums being built all look bigger and badder.
And this stadium is bigger and badder
In a California kind of way. We’re not Texas. Doing a green stadium that has it’s own garden and suite tower is very California. I mean without a roof I don’t know what you want them to do. It’s not like the Meadowlands or other open air stadiums built in the last few years really have any “how’d the build that” factor. And we’re not building a roof, because we don’t need it.
I've been a fan since the late 70's
and been to my fair share of games although not in the last few years due to reasons listed above. I live in the Bay Area and welcome a stadium in Santa Clara. Can’t wait.
by gee man on Dec 3, 2011 5:05 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
I'm just curious here...
Have any of you been thru Chicago and realize how large of an area that entails? Truly many, many counties and miles!
Next, does Oakland have a song about them? At least that doesn’t include some vulgar, violent, tough theme?
Third and last, it’s ok with me if our team moves closer to their headquarters! What’s the problem here? The city of SF couldn’t make it work for years and still can’t do so! So, quit crying, deal with it because they will always be the SF 49ers! Many teams don’t play in their “known” city! And don’t blame Jed, his folks, or the fans either, we want the SB to come to this area, alright? Comments welcome! :)
Enough said above! I can't believe the "t-raiders" are going to play in OUR stadium! Bastards!
by 23mjheart on Dec 3, 2011 5:11 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Some might find
Tony Bennett vulgar and violent.
Maybe they should just renovate/upgrade Kezar.
It’s the modern world. Globalization. The team headquarters have been in Santa Clara for ages anyways. It’s like being offered a better job in Santa Clara but not taking it because your kids are used to their dad working in Hunters Point/ Bayview. .
Ah Globalization.. We could outsource the new stadium to India!
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I know they’re not called the Boston Patriots, but New England’s Gillette Stadium is a solid 30-45 minutes away from Boston, which is essentially their “home” city.
I’m sure there’s better examples, but the 49ers do not HAVE to play within the city limits of San Francisco in order to be the San Francisco 49ers.
Much like I’m from Castro Valley/Hayward area and my #1 team is our Niners, proximity is really only an issue if you want it to be an issue.
Walter White is Heisenberg.
New York, Dallas, Washington…the list goes on.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
The list is actually
Dallas (Arlington), Washington (Landover, MD), NY Giants and Jets (East Rutherford, NJ), Miami (Miami Gardens (which is not anywhere near the real Miami), and Buffalo (Orchard Park)
Gotcha, didn't know about Miami, not surprising.
I thought Buffalo’s stadium was in Toronto :).
I remember a bit of backlash back in the 90s when FedEx Field was built in Maryland and the Skins moved from RFK. But I think everyone realized how difficult it would have been to build in DC. (I think Dan Snyder still wants to at some point if he can). Most people hate FedEx for many other reasons though.
I don’t, however, remember many people suggesting renaming the team the Landover Redskins, or Maryland Redskins…
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
What exactly are people's issue with FedEx?
I mean I know it’s huge but beyond that what’s the problem?
Mainly parking and traffic
As old as RFK is, people liked it a lot better, mainly location probably.
The location of FedEx isn’t THAT bad, but if you are on the other side of DC, Northern VA, it can be a pain to get up there on Sundays regardless of your method.
There’s a bunch of other little things that add up. One thing I hate is the seats they added up underneath the top level where the last 13 rows are damn near worthless, so you have to pay attention when purchasing.
The past decade it probably hasn’t helped that the team stinks, adds more frustration, no one wants to sit in traffic for hours after a terrible loss.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
this is just random tallking?
“49ers do not HAVE to play within the city limits of San Francisco in order to be the San Francisco 49ers.” dude really?
Californa is world PVP at it's finest.
New Stadium is the bottom line.
The new stadium is long overdue, and if moving to the south bay is what it takes- then so be it.
Got a ton of great giants/niners memories from the Stick- but it’s time to tell it goodbye.
"Aaaaaaaal Apalachicola"
by bonbrillio on Dec 3, 2011 5:23 PM PST via mobile reply actions
It is a landmark.. It really made the 89 World Series a lot more interesting.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Well I think the Earthquake did that
The stadium does get kudos for not collapsing… but it didn’t really make the game any more exciting.
The 49ers HQ is there in Santa Clara.. I believe they are now part owners of Great America so why not have the stadium there.
Of course, then, we could always call them the Great America 49ers!
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Dec 3, 2011 5:26 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Great America
Great America was purchased in order to ease this. That purchase goes hand-in-hand with the stadium stuff.
by David Fucillo on Dec 3, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
In true Jeff Loria fashion
I will describe the San Francisco 49ers in 3 words:
Great. America. 49ers.
Walter White is Heisenberg.
Cool....Miami....International
“Those were the three words Florida Miami Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria used to describe the new uniforms of the South Florida baseball team”
just makin a joke
I wish they could stay in S.F. **sigh**
But I’ve reluctantly come to the conclusion that Santa Clara is the only viable location.
The only issue I have now is that gawd awful design. I HATE IT!!!!! Half the stadium looks OK. But the other half being a big stack of luxury boxes sucks hind tit. Football stadiums should be a giant bowl. A bowl that fits 80k to 100k fans for a game. And that’s BEFORE you decide to add the luxury and press boxes ABOVE the regular seats.
Political correctness is for the weak and spineless. GROW A PAIR!!!
Every stadium should just be a giant bowl? That is a touch boring isn't it.
I wasn’t jumping up and down when I first saw it, but I’m coming around to it. I like that they aren’t going with some basic look…The open corner with the entrance seems pretty cool too.
I also think the ‘big stack of luxury boxes’ will help keep sound in.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
dunno about the opening
Weird to me when a pick block of seats is missing, but some times its worse than others. Won’t that funnel the sound out?
Bowls are BEAUTIFUL!!
I can’t stand all of these fancy shmancy small stadium designs. They look more appropriate for TENNIS!
Political correctness is for the weak and spineless. GROW A PAIR!!!
Plus 80-100k?
Do you want them blacked out every week? I mean hell they can barely fill the 69k the have now some weeks.
Most of that is ticket price
Nobody can AFFORD to go to games. Lower the price and add more seats.
But since you mention it, I think the black-out rule is the most short sighted and flawed reasoning for selling tickets EVER.
Broadcasting games is advertising. Advertising sells tickets.
Political correctness is for the weak and spineless. GROW A PAIR!!!
Not going to happen
If anything ticket prices are going to go up the moment the Niners leave Candlestick.
One of the reasons nobody has wanted to play in the LA Coliseum...
is too many seats, making sellouts every week extremely difficult. Mind you, that’s only one reason, there are many others, such as age and layout of the facility, but its something that should be borne in mind. 70K seems about right to me.
Maybe it's because I was an out-of-market fan growing up
but I don’t get the fuss. The Dallas Cowboys don’t play in Dallas, the NY Jets and Giants don’t play in NY, the Washington Redskins don’t play in Washington… Who cares about little lines on a map (other than the politicians who will look good or bad depending on whether the 49ers stay or go)? It’s a complete non-issue for me. Only things I care about with regard to the new stadium are:
1) Will it be awesome?
2) When will it open?
3) How much will it cost for me to go to a game?
4) How awesome will it be?
5) How convenient will it be to get to and from games?
6) It’s gonna be awesome, right?
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 3, 2011 8:22 PM PST reply actions
Bingo
I mean it’s the same with the A’s with the only complication being the name change that will be coming for them. But in this case there’s no name change and they’re staying in the same region they’ve always been in, and will be right next to their own HQ.
VideoTron!!!!
I for one am all for the new stadium with all due respect to Candlestick. One other big factor as petty as it may sound is the videotron. If you’ve ever been to the stick and were unlucky enough to sit on the North side of the stadium you can not see the videotron, although there is a nice, which appears to be a 50" plasma posted directly across on the southside right next to the scoreboard.
Watching replays at the game is a big deal for me, and also for all you Fantasy players out there the RedZone updates on the JumboTron helps out also while AT&T’s cell tower is so jammed you cant even send a text let alone check your FF team
by Frisco_Kid on Dec 3, 2011 8:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Granted it wont compare to Jerrys
JUMBOTRON he built in the “deathstar” but anything will be an upgrade for what we have now
by Frisco_Kid on Dec 3, 2011 8:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Just another opinion ...
As you know, I saw my first Niners game in 1950 at Kesar Stadium … which was a dump. They rehabed it and it was still a dump. Then the Niners relocated to Candlestick Park which a dump before they ever moved in. Candlestick was the perfect example of how screwed up (and corrupt) San Francisco politics real is… there was huge termoil about the Hunters Point location, weather conditions there, and the lack of access when the the site “was selected.” To no avail … the powers that were needed to stuff their pockets. Then the stadium design was presented … again, termoil about both design and position with respect to the winds and weather. Again, to no avail. So Candlestick was a dump from the day that the gates were opened (I was actually in attendance for the Giants first game). Later, partial enclosure and renovations … still a dump. More renovations … still a dump.
Fortunately the Giants were able to get themselves an outstanding stadium in a unique location, which make absolute sense. Meanwhile, the City and County of San Francisco has screwed around seemingly forever talking about a new stadium for the Niners, but doing absolutely nothing. No surprise there. If there ever was a city that didn’t know how, San Francisco is it.
So now the Niners have an opportunity to build and relocate to a new, modern stadium located much closer to their biggest fan base (the Peninsula and Silicon Valley) with massively improved access, improved parking, decent weather, in a facility built specifically for football. What’s not to like? It was obvious a long time ago the the City/County weren’t serious about a new facility … they just kept draging it out in the hopes that the Niners would never move. My only issue with it is that the new location should have been committed to long ago.
Live in San Francisco (you’re a huge minority)? Relax and take the train … more fun, faster, no parking hassles, and no crisis trying to get out of the stadium.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Dec 3, 2011 8:55 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Fortunately the Giants were able to get themselves an outstanding stadium in a unique location, which make absolute sense. Meanwhile, the City and County of San Francisco has screwed around seemingly forever talking about a new stadium for the Niners, but doing absolutely nothing
Well, a big part of that was because the Giants paid for the stadium themselves while Jed York was looking for a handout.
I have mixed emotions too
Like most, I would love to see the 49ers stay in the city. Seeing a beautiful new 49ers stadium in the city would be awesome. It’s just unfortunate that isn’t a realistic option at this point.
The team and the city both had many chances over the years to find a way to make it work. It isn’t like everyone woke up one day and the ‘stick had turned into a dump, both parties have known a new stadium was needed for a good 20 years now. I think the last best hope was sunk by the chaos surrounding the ownership change, and I don’t even know how realistic that plan really was anyway. Once the Giants built their new stadium in a prime spot, there weren’t many options. I mean a toxic waste dump without much infrastructure or an equally terrible spot somewhere in the vacinity of the ‘stick became the city’s best building spots.
In the end, it is what it is. The team and the city couldn’t find a way to move forward with a deal, so the team found a willing and able partner in a pretty good alternate area. Much easier public transit access and much easier freeway access to fans that live outside of S.F. proper. Very little infrastructure work needed. No toxic waste to worry about. A city willing to look forward and make a real commitment in dollars up front to get the process moving despite a difficult economy. I don’t think anyone can blame Jed and the rest of the 49ers front office from jumping on Santa Clara.
A few more thoughts I decided to add...
I understand people are concerned, for lack of a better word, about the “soul” of the team. A team and the city/area in which it resides meld together. Their identities become intertwined, and even more powerfully so by fans. I feel that pull on the heartstrings myself as someone that has attended many Giants and 49ers games at the ’stick.
I think many are worried that the “culture” or the “soul” of the team will be changed or damaged by a move outside of the city proper. It is ok when we see other teams do it, but darnit NOT OUR TEAM.
I understand that unease, and see it in myself as well to a certain extent. A move to a new stadium may change the “character” of the 49ers in subtle ways. However, the reality is that teams are always evolving. Glory-era’s end, players and coaches leave and retire, owners die or are bought out, and stadiums change or are replaced.
The reality is that the character of the 49ers has already changed and evolved radically a number of times in the past 30 years. The team already had a foot out the door with the HQ in Santa Clara. How many 49er players reside in San Francisco today? I would be shocked if there was a single one. How many people that reside within San Francisco itself are present in the stadium on a gameday? I wouldn’t be surprised if a large number, perhaps even a majority, came in from outside the city proper.
As long as the team never moves outside the Bay Area, I think I will be content. That is the point at which I think the character of the team changes too radically to the point that I as a fan can no longer identify with them.
Would love to see some residence statistics of season ticket holders ... alas, only known to the Niners
I’ll bet that the number of season ticket holders who reside within the City and Country of San Francisco limits is somewhere between 10 and 15%. at most.
ALL of the coaches and players live in either Santa Clara or San Mateo Counties.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Dec 4, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
That's the issue really...
We’d have to use public transportation for it all to be convenient now. Honestly, I try to show up to every game that I can possibly go to and part of that experience is….
TAILGATING.
Why is our off-season more exciting than our regular season?!
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The last time they were really San Francisco they played in Kezar. Offices were in Redwood City. Candlestick is pretty much Brisbane/South SF/San Bruno anyway. That’s like saying UCLA should be UCInglewood, or the NY Giants and Jets should really be New Jersey.
Let’s get over it, shall we?
by Indiana Jim on Dec 3, 2011 9:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
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As long as they don’t change their name to the “Santa Clara 49ers” then the move does not bother me. They’re not changing their name are they…?
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I know this isn't the NBA
But eventually if a stadium doesn’t get built, the team would look to move elsewhere, wouldn’t it? If not in Santa Clara, then possibly even further away? I’d hate to pull the “It’s not THAT bad” card, because I completely understand the anti-relocation battle (especially now that I’m moving to Sacramento shortly), but the team moving 1 hour south seems substantially better than Seattle to Oklahoma City or Sacramento to Anaheim. The team is still in the area, and most of the people who go to games now can still go. Some even have a shorter commute.
It seems highly unlikely that the Niners would leave such a large market in the Bay Area.
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by Badly Browned on Dec 4, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
I am a New York Native
However I love the 49ers since 1988. I guess with all of he media coverage they got back then, that was the only team I rreally watched. The New York Jets, and New York Giants share a stadium in the Meadowlands which isn’t in New York at all. It is in New Jersey. For most New Yorkers it’s probably a 30 minute commute. Othes even longer. My basic feeling is that if it’s still in the area of the teams origion, and the team stays true to it’s roots culture, fan base, and last but not least, it’s name, and uniform colors, I say go forward.
In the case for the Cleveland browns moving 500 miles south and changing the teams identinty to the Baltimore Ravens, that would be a heart breaker. Same thing happened to the Baltimore colts, moving to inianapolis but the difference is they maintained their team identity just changed the city name.
In our teams case, we stay close to home, and keep both the name, and the identity, as well as the city name in tact. If they were to become the Santa Clara 49ers I would be devistated to say the least. A big SC logo on the helmet with new uniforms. NO WAY JOSE.
The Redskins don’t play in Washington
The Cowboys don’t play in Dallas
The Dolphins play in “Miami Gardens”
The Patriots don’t play in Boston ( yes I realize they have a generic “New England” attached, but they were a Boston franchise )
They all play in locations close to their base that were more affordable, easier to build on, easier to have plenty of parking, easier for traffic to arrive and disperse..
The Cleveland franchise changed markets. If the 49ers moved to LA, they’d need to change their name.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 4, 2011 7:28 AM PST up reply actions
Actually Cleveland didn't even do that
They put the franchise on hiatus and moved what had been the Cleveland franchise to Baltimore.
if we're speaking technically
As far as business goes, the franchise moved to Baltimore.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 4, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
I do wish that they had done something similar with the Colts
when they hightailed to Indy.
Life would have been simpler if the Baltimore expansion franchise could have just reclaimed the Colts moniker. Feel bad for life-long Colts who never set foot in Indianapolis.
Franchises should have to change names when they change markets.
Cardinals belong in St. Louis.
Lakes are in Minnesota
Jazz is in New Orleans.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 4, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions

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