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2012 NFL Offseason: The 49ers WR Position

The San Francisco 49ers are in the midst of an exciting run that will culminate in a shot at all the marbles. Maybe they win it all, maybe they come up short. Either way, this is the first time we've had playoffs at Niners Nation so it should be fun no matter what.

Amidst all the hubbub of the 2011 season, the 2012 49ers offseason looms as a really interesting period. We'll spend most of our time over the next two months focused on now, but there are enough complexities to the coming offseason that I think it is worth occasionally taking a peak ahead. The 49ers have a lot of free agents and given how certain players have started to develop this season, numerous questions are raised.

One such position is at wide receiver. The 49ers wide receiver position has been a bit up and down at times, but we have seen some impressive performances lately from Michael Crabtree and Kyle Williams. Fittingly enough, those are the only two active roster receivers that are under contract after this season ends. Braylon Edwards, Joshua Morgan, Ted Ginn Jr. and Brett Swain are all free agents when the season ends. Undrafted rookie free agent Dontavia Bogan is also on injured reserve and I believe remains under contract heading into 2012.

How does the team handle the receiver position this coming offseason? Of all the free agents I'd imagine Morgan is the most likely to return. Coach Harbaugh has indicated he wants him back, and my gut would indicate Morgan would like to be back, although that is based on nothing he has said.

There are only so many roster positions and so many receptions to be had. You also need to add in the Harbaugh factor. This turnaround has to change the perception of the 49ers and potentially encourage free agents to come to the Bay. Does the team need to pursue additional wide receiver options beyond their current batch of free agents?

This is not a particularly easy question to answer right now as there is a lot of football left and a sizable market in the offseason. Nonetheless, how would you like to organize the 49ers receivers for 2012?

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If Morgan comes back, he would be the oldest WR at 26

I definitely like the trio of Crabtree, Morgan & Williams. See how Bogan comes back from his injury. Then draft a tall, big bodied receiver & go with those 5 in training camp. If anyone else is signed and can win a roster spot then so be it

by Lok on Dec 7, 2011 12:08 PM PST reply actions  

Alshon Jeffery from South Carolina....

he’s 6’4" 235lbs and still runs a 4.5 40, beastly stats, but we would defenitly need to trade up to get this guy…

i personally dont want to give up on Braylon quite yet. I dont know how his feelings are towards re-signing and i know he hasent had the best year but he has all the qualities we are looking for in a big bodied WR with a proven track record…

by Frisco_Kid on Dec 7, 2011 12:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I expect Jeffery to be selected in the top 10 along with Blackmon

To me Braylon coming back would be solely based on the contract that he is given, if its manageable then sure why not

by Lok on Dec 7, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeffery will likely go in the top 10.

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by mikeinsp on Dec 7, 2011 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

That's if Jeffery comes out..

He may stay. USC has a really great chance next year to do big things, with Lattimore coming back at full speed, Brandon Wilds showing he can hold the fort, and Conner Shaw progressing nicely. Add to that one of the best defenses in the nation coming back mostly intact next year, and you have a lot of potential.
I think Alshon will stay.

Although, like I said about the Culliver pick, if the Niners somehow draft Jefferies, it will be a GREAT pick.

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by Celtic Sol on Dec 7, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

ginn too

i think the speed of ted ginn jr, kyle williams, and vernon davis can and is starting to mess with teams. That trio is probably the fastest set of wr and te in the league. Morgan has a good relationship with Alex Smith which makes him valuable to the team. draft a wr to develop in the mid rounds.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 7, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

not really

his numbers are still pretty low as wr plus the history of his previous seasons. and this is his first winning season. morgan will be more expensive

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 7, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

why would Morgan be more expensive?

He still has to prove that he is 100% healthy.

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by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 7, 2011 1:05 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

that is what workouts and fhysicals are for

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 7, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Even so, he's never had more than 52 receptions and there will be question marks about the injury until he plays in a game.

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by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 7, 2011 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I would bring Ginn back for sure. He is starting to get more reps and has shown that he can make some big plays, even if they get called back on penalties all the time.

Edwards hasn’t really torn things up like I thought he would…maybe see how he does in the playoffs? Or is he worth keeping around for another year with a solid training season?

Maybe we can make a trade or something…or get Rice to come back.

by Perradin Falcon on Dec 7, 2011 12:10 PM PST reply actions  

Definitely bring Joshua Morgan back.

Then, bring back Ginn or try to sign Desean Jackson as a PR/KR/Speedy deep threat kinda guy. They’re pretty much 1a and 1b as far as I’m concerned.

I’d like to see us pick up a big, physical, 6’3"+ redzone threat – be it Braylon (if he’s cheap and healthy) or someone else. Might have to turn to the draft for this.

by runningblack on Dec 7, 2011 12:14 PM PST reply actions  

Jackson???

Too expensive and Willimas can do everything Jackson can for less money and headache. Plus, he already has chemistry with the team. Jackson would be a complete waste on this team.

by 9thevolution on Dec 7, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

agreed^^^

plus Kyle has kick returning skills also, he did it at ASU and was quite good

by Frisco_Kid on Dec 7, 2011 12:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think Jackson would be great

He is better than Ginn as a returner and a receiver. If we were able to get him I’d like to see him returning punts and Williams returning kicks. If he wants too much money than go ahead and re-sign Ginn. We should bring back Morgan but I’m not so sure about Edwards. If he can show us something in the playoffs sure. If not look to the draft for a large physical type.

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by bakoninerfan on Dec 7, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

jackson gets hurt and will be overpaid. his personality will not mesh with this team

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 7, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I have faith in our FO not to overpay for anyone.

If Jackson is more expensive then Ginn, then they’d easily bring back Ginn.

Also, I think Jackson just needs a change in scenery to end the diva antics…and the diva antics from this year will result in him severely lowering his asking price.

by runningblack on Dec 7, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

people want jackson because he played for the eagles, he will be overpaid. let him stay on the east coast with the dream team.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 7, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

After this season I'm sure his value has dropped considerably.

Now he may not think it has…but look at Braylon Edwards. I highly doubt he’s an eagle next year.

We, or someone, could have him for cheap. And if he’s cheaper than Ginn, I’d take him in a heartbeat.

Keep in mind, Ginn’s value has definitely gone up.

by runningblack on Dec 7, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

braylong always had dropsies plus he had that bar stabbing incident.

jackson will probably be a cancer in a locker room and he quite on his team this year and he is always injured. no thanks. kyle williams is very close as fast and more physical than jackson.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 7, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Jackson hasn't responded

very well to being underpaid. I do not think that we want him on the cheap. Well…but maybe in his contract year he will step up and play really well to prove…ohhhh wait, I remember what happend. He cried and quit.

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by 16to80fan on Dec 7, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

you obviosly

have not seen the child in an interview. He is a joke and is all about being the guy with all the swag. Maybe your right though. I said the same thing a few years ago about VD but he changed. Personally I think we just need B E to be healthy. We have deep threats in Williams and Ginn.

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by Sammallory on Dec 7, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think Jackson's done enough this year that he's gonna be cheap

But a change of scenery is all he’d need to become productive again.

As I said, they’re 1a or 1b as far as I’m concerned. We can take whoever’s cheaper.

by runningblack on Dec 7, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know how expensive he would be

After all, people said Braylon Edwards would be pricey, and the 49ers got him for only $1 million guaranteed. I can see the 49ers getting Jackson on a cheap 1-2 year contract so that he can rebuild his value after a horrific 2011 season. Hell, after the season he’s had, the 49ers can get Edwards on another 1-year contract this offseason.

My dream wide receiving core: Morgan, Crabtree, Williams, Edwards, and Jackson (replacing Ginn at PR/KR as well). Good teams have lots of good WRs, even if they can’t all be on the field at the same time (see: the Saints, the Packers, the Steelers).

by ninerspride on Dec 7, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Niner FO would never consider Desean Jackson

For one simple reason…he does not fit into the power run game.

it’s partly why we haven’t seen much of Kyle to this date. All 49er receivers are held to the responsibility of playing physically in the run game. DJax is not that type of guy.

by t p on Dec 7, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Jackson makes absolutely no sense at all…we already have him on the roster for cheaper and less drama.

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by Virginia9er on Dec 7, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Ginn will probably be more expensive to sign this year than before

Jackson, will probably be cheaper than he currently values himself.

Whoever’s cheaper, we should get.

by runningblack on Dec 7, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Ginn is not Jackson. I was talking about Kyle Williams

Haven’t seen much out of him as a returner in the NFL, but we have Ginn for that.

Having Kyle and Ginn is more valuable for the cost than adding or replacing one with Jackson. Jackson isn’t worth what he currently values himself, but some team will be prepared to pay for him, the 9ers won’t…and they shouldn’t.

Where is this price for Ginn coming from, there is nothing to support he will demand some massive contract…it will be very minimal compared to other priorities on the team or Jackson.

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by Virginia9er on Dec 7, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree Virginia. he had like 2 run backs

and now people act like he is gonna be asking for $6 mill a year ….

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by Sammallory on Dec 7, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm still a little undecided on Edwards

I think the potential for him to be a contributor for the Niners in the post-season is still there. I do like his style a lot, but he hasn’t been healthy enough to make much impact. I guess they’ll wait until the playoffs are done to make a decision on Braylon.

Niners are looking at WRs in the draft, for sure. If it’s not Braylon then it should be someone like him, size-wise.

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by El Dorado on Dec 7, 2011 12:27 PM PST reply actions  

You pretty much said it all.....

I can only add that I am having trouble buying into Braylon completely – and can’t put a firm finger on why. But as stated, a big-bodied Braylon/T O type is all I see necessary to add.
Niners have all intents on resigning Morgan (fantastic), Ginn has FINALLY become an all around weapon we cannot afford to let go, and we have Kyle and M Crab. We are good to go. Get the Best Available out there – after we get one more Iupati-type interior lineman.

by ninernutt on Dec 7, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

oh I can tell you why

because he has been hurt and have not seen much from him. Like E D said …. he has the potential and we all see it….but really not that much since he is hurt.

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by Sammallory on Dec 7, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

We need a RT

Snyder Is A free Agent This Year & Anthony Davis Cant Keep With The Elite Speed Rusher In The Nfl. Ex. “Jasin Babbin , Terrell Suggs”

Anthony Davis Is A Big Body Powerful Guy & Would Be Ten Times Better At The Right Guard Position With His Size Strength & Speed On The Interior Line. So This Is How We Address The First Three Picks Of The Draft

1.Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State

2. Micah Hyde, CB, Iowa
San Francisco needs a young cornerback for their defense. Carlos Rogers and Shawntae Spencer are both veterans at or pushing 30.

While teammate Shaun Prater is more well known, Hyde is the better NFL prospect. Both are good pro prospects, but the junior Hyde is bigger and faster, with a higher ceiling. Last year, as a sophomore, he recorded 82 tackles with four interceptions and seven passes broken up. This season, Hyde has 68 tackles with three interceptions and seven passes broken up. The 6-foot-1, 185-pounder has ideal size and excellent ball skills. If Hyde stays in school for the 2012 season, he could be one of the top senior cornerbacks in the nation.

3. Juron Criner, WR, Arizona (6’4 215)

by LA#1BullsFan on Dec 7, 2011 12:45 PM PST reply actions  

spencer is not even active on game day; chris culliver is pretty young

o-line needs to play together for another year, chilo rachel needs to not be resigned; resign snyder

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 7, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Don't understand where people think the 49ers are going to get a lockdown RT

Tackles are rarely good in their first few years, and if they are good they are rarely consistent. Granted, Anthony Davis has been well below average as an RT — but I would rather have Davis in his third year than have a late 1st rounder in his rookie season.

by ninerspride on Dec 7, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

rec'ed

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 7, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

mos def!

a davis is coming along really well right now….just this year, he’s shown so much improvement. and he’s still mighty young. he’s on track to be playing pro-bowl caliber football for years to come.

by t p on Dec 7, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't know about pro-bowl caliber

But you’re right, Anthony Davis has been improving this year, and he has some serious potential. With a year of offseason conditioning (something that’s never had), he could really turn it around in 2012.

by ninerspride on Dec 7, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

it's a high hope, i know....

but i think the improvement from yr1 to yr2 shows that he can develop within a system. and, as the niners get deeper into this WC offense, I’d imagine that the team will be able to limit the sack totals.

by t p on Dec 7, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

its a definite possibility

If this team gets more time to learn the playbook and also adds more weapons in the passing game, Alex smith might only need 1-2 seconds in the pocket on any given play anyway. The Saints are a perfect example of how good a group of receivers, tight ends, and running backs can make average tackles look like super stars.

by ninerspride on Dec 7, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Um the Saints have incredible guards and average tackles

We do not have incredible guards. We have 1 guy that could be incredible soon… And a tackle that is so bad he should be playing guard.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by Sammallory on Dec 7, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

You can get a lock down RT in the 1st round of the draft

If you can get your LT with the 28th pick to cover, then it seems reasonable that you can get your RT at the same point. If Mike Adams or Riley Reiff is available in late round 1 they would be good picks. Otherwise pass on RT and go for RG or RT to RG conversion in a later round.

by GB9er on Dec 7, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

No.

Snyder will resign and Davis will remain at RT. He’s been pretty good this year and has improved a lot since last year.

Spencer isn’t even active on gamedays and he won’t be back next year.

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by mikeinsp on Dec 7, 2011 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

There are plenty of pretty good solid #3 possibly #2 WR's in this draft

I would really like the 9ers to resign Ginn and Morgan, though, this year. Morgan to a three year deal, and Ginn possibly to a one year deal or something along those lines. Ginn has done extremely well for this team this year, and has played his tail off!! BRING HIM BACK!! Morgan could very well be finding his place now in the 49er offense. From what I saw of him this year, I really think he could blossom into that #2 guy next year, and would be very productive.

There really is no reason why the 49ers should bring in a high profile Wide-Out, for this type of offense is just really is not necessary. It would almost be a waste of funds. Let us resign the guys we have, except Braylon, let them build chemistry and get acquainted with the offense, draft a 4th or 5th rounder like Owusu (i think he’ll last that long). And this offense is set!

I think the 49ers could also possibly afford to sign maybe a savvy vet, who runs crisp short routes well, and could be a third down target, with good hands. Although, this player would not absolutely be necessary.Also they could bring in a couple of UDFA’s for competition sake, maybe some guys that are talented, but did not go to a big school, didn’t quite live up to potential, injury concerns, misconduct issues etc. 49ers staff could very well find a diamond this way, with Harbaugh being not too far removed from the College scene, and worst comes to worst he can always call a few buddies to find the scoop on guys.

So with all of that being said the 49ers WR’s would look something like this

Crabtree
Morgan
Williams
Ginn
Owusu

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by chicagobullies on Dec 7, 2011 12:56 PM PST reply actions  

Owusu

I’m not a doctor, but I’d be a bit surprised if Owusu plays football again.

by David Fucillo on Dec 7, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you serious??? I knew he was injured this year, but I just thought it was

an ACL or something like that….what happened to the man?? and if you are correct that is horribly unfortunate!!! He in my mind almost definitely would have been picked up by Harbaugh in Co. if the time was right, in the draft….Wow crazy stuff…

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by chicagobullies on Dec 7, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

He's had way too many concussions.

He’s done with football. He wants to be a doctor.

by runningblack on Dec 7, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

concussions

He’s sustained three concussions in a little over a year, two this season. I suppose he could come back, but I really would be surprised.

by David Fucillo on Dec 7, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh wow, I was aware of his first concussion, but missed the last two or last one possibly

That is extremely unfortunate for a player, who had such good talent. That is the risk of playing such a contact sport, but it would almost most definitely be in his best interest to stop. Especially with all of the latest developments and fairly new info coming out about the harmful effects concussions can have on the brain…..Very unfortunate…

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by chicagobullies on Dec 7, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

So wait.

You’re saying we should draft Owusu, yet you didn’t even know about his concussions?

This reminded me of this one guy the other day saying we should draft “that RB from Alabama.” You don’t even know Richardson’s name yet you’re saying we should draft him? Really?

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by mikeinsp on Dec 7, 2011 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

It was more along the lines of his

widely known talent level, and his familiarity with the offense. Also, the fact that he would have been a later draft pick with talent, is why I suggested Owusu. Not just solely based off of nothing, like you are saying

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by chicagobullies on Dec 11, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess Oregon ruined him last year

That’s a bummer. I was thinking he’d be a good late round sleeper for the niners but if what you’re saying is true then it would not be good. It would be another Jahvid Best situation. Love the player, but not worth taking a guy who will get dinged and miss games.

by GB9er on Dec 7, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

He was taken off the field strapped to a stretcher last time.

Remember what we did to Jahvid Best? That’s his future in the NFL

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2011 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

haha I doubt he is done

I had that many concussions my first year as a Black Belt haha.

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by Sammallory on Dec 7, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you ever get taken out of the dojo in an ambulance while stablized on a stretcher?

Now how bout you talk about something you have some idea about. If he goes to the NFL he’s making potentially the biggest mistake of his life. Maybe he gets through a year or 2 but at some point he’ll get another and be on his way to years of headaches and trouble with reading comprehension.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2011 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, a little more on the Draft

Look at the contributions that are being made from this year’s draft….

1st rounder A.Smith….enough said up yours PETE PRISCO!!….A Draft Grade of an D. humbug….he’s a future pro-bowler in the making, and he will make you know his name…isn’t that right Goldberg?? lol

2nd rounder….Kaep..possible QBOTF….still very raw and needs some mechanical work…but the talent, drive, intelligence, and passion for the game is there….all he needs is a little time to develop…one of the reasons we should give Alex a 2 year deal this time…

3rd rounder..Chris Culliver…is he still a reach guys?? he’s playing extremely well..I mean for such a RAW undeveloped player haha…once again up yours PRISCO….HE GRADED HIM ANOTHER D…excellent ball skills….he still has some developing to do, but overall he has made great strides this year, and has earned his spot on this team for many years to come…Arguably one of the best CB’s from this years draft….

Round 4 very plausiblethe 49ers #1 RBOTF…K.Hunter…whose already proved to be more then worthy of his selection…he is very close to having the best year out of all the RB’s drafted this year, and in my mind in a year or two will definitely prove to be the best RB from this draft…Speed kills and so does this man’s stiff arm

Round 6 Colin Jones….fighting for a roster spot…but has made excellent contributions on arguably one of the best ST’s in the NFL…It is extremely fun to watch him and Costanzo fly down the field together bum rushing opponents making solid tackles…excellent pick-up….

Round 7….And last but not least….our FBOTF…Mr. Bruce Miller!!….Myself, along with many others, that were familiar with Miller after watching him play at UCF, absolutely loved this pick…the man has heart….a beastly mentality…takes not 1 single play off while on the field….The offensive Justin Smith….he’s replaced Moron, not looking back, and done one heck of a job blocking for Gore and for Alex in pass protection! WHAT A STEAL….Oh yeah also he’s not too bad cathing balls out of the backfield!! …

With all this being said….I expect nothin less then a stellar draft ,such as this one next time around….One could argue that the 49ers had one of the bests draft in the NFL…..definitely top 3 IMO

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by chicagobullies on Dec 7, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Love me some Kendall Hunter, but...

Don’t forget about what Demarco Murray. Not to say Kendall couldn’t do similar things if he was getting the touches.

by LPF on Dec 7, 2011 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

It was definitely an exception draft in retrospect

And it seems uncommon to be able to judge draft successful in the first year. The only whiff was RoJo.

by GB9er on Dec 7, 2011 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

sadly

what the niners need is a #1 receiver. I don’t see Crabtree/Morgan/Williams stepping up to really be an elite WR… Williams maybe. The are all solid #2s though.

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by zenbitz on Dec 7, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Morgan or Crabtree have a better chance than Williams, it is more about his style of play than his skills, he isn’t the typical #1 WR kinda guy.

I only say Morgan because of his chemistry with Alex, he’s already a solid #2. The last few weeks Crabtree has shown he can be a true #1, but it he has to continue to progress and he certainly can’t wait til week 5-6 to finally get started every year.

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by Virginia9er on Dec 7, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

JURON CRINER HIGHLIGHTS

http://youtu.be/onSTDBS38W8

He’s Projected To Go In The 3rd Round If We Could Get Him It Would Be A Steal , MUST WATCH!!!!

by LA#1BullsFan on Dec 7, 2011 12:59 PM PST reply actions  

Does not look too bad!

Of course it is a highlight video, so it would almost surely be a group of his best catches from the season. I really have not followed Arizona that much this year, so any possible thing I could say about the man, would simply be from that video….what is his measurables…..Height Weight….40 time….Accel drills….bench press…etc??? if you know? Also how many balls did he drop this year??

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by chicagobullies on Dec 7, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

.....

I Doubt He’s Very Fast Id Say Like A 4.6 Forty Time, But His Ball Control & Catching Ability Are Amazing Plus At 6’4 Im Sure He Can Be A Good Blocking Receiver. Imagine Alex Throwing Him A Fade Route!?!?!?!

by LA#1BullsFan on Dec 7, 2011 1:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

The 49ers do not really need a burner.....

If that is the case, and he seems to have good concentration skills, and his height very well could be an asset, then I would definitely be all for it. As I previously mentioned, Harbaugh should be pretty familiar with the youngster, so hopefully he knows the skinny on the guy and drafts him next year……Very good call!!

My only argument against him would be exactly how high he would have to be drafted. I necessarily would not mind a 3rd rounder for him, but remember where the 49ers are going to be picking. If he is slated as a 3rd rounder to get him, the 49ers might have to make a trade or pick him in the 2nd round. If he last until the end of the 3rd round then heck yes…..if not, I would most likely not want to spend that 2nd rounder on him….

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by chicagobullies on Dec 7, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I like the way...

he seems to concentrate on the ball all the way into his hands. It allowed him to make some outstanding catches in that highlight video. Sure, if he’s a projected 3rd rounder, I’d take him late in the second.

by smathis on Dec 7, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

If we want hands Broyles is the way to go

Didn’t have a drop in over 2 years. Oklahoma fell apart after he got injured

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't the Niners have Joe Hastings on the Practice Squad?

I’m of the opinion that the Niners could use that big receiver like Braylon Edwards might’ve, could’ve been. But that they don’t have an overriding NEED for that kind of weapon on offense.

I agree with others who’ve said we should find a better home for Anthony Davis on the O-Line and bring in some new blood at RT. RG might be just the ticket for Davis.

I’d also like to see another RB added to the Hunter/Gore tandem.

IMO, the Niners got a STEAL with Ian Williams and Demarcus Dobbs. Let’s keep those guys as long as we can b/c we’ll need them sooner than we think.

The Niners should also look to bolster the secondary. In short, the sky is STILL blue. Report at 11.

So where does a WR fit in all that?

No matter what the Niners are picking LATE in the first round. So I’d say try to pick up a RT or CB in the first round. Then in the 2nd got for WR or RB. The team has some wicked depth in most areas (except O-Line). And there’s no real NEED for a QB considering Kaep and Tolzien are on the roster.

Mainly, I think the Niners should be focusing on resigning some key players (I think Morgan is one of them). Solidifying their O-Line. And going to the draft for “Gore’s successor” (an every down back) and a big WR. I think this coaching staff and Baalke can get it done.

They totally proved me wrong with the last draft. Consider me a believer as of Week 6.

by smathis on Dec 7, 2011 1:09 PM PST reply actions  

Another Rb with the Gore/Hunter tandem is on the team..his name is Anthony “Boobie” Dixon..he needs to get more play time to show out there

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by Widowwolf on Dec 7, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Except Dixon's not that good.

I can’t see him back next year.

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by mikeinsp on Dec 7, 2011 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

True he may not be that good a NFL RB but Dixon shows up

on my big screen every week on special teams. He is always one of the first ones into the picture on coverage. I think he adding a lot of value to the team.

It’d be nice to get a guy like Polk from UW, but the 49ers have stronger needs at OL, CB, OLB, FS, and possibly WR before looking for RB help and at that point in the draft I don’t see any other pounders that would be better than Dixon will be next year.

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by GB9er on Dec 7, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

We have much bigger needs than a position where we have a 2nd-year player who's doing pretty good.

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by mikeinsp on Dec 7, 2011 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

1 – Crabtree
2 – Morgan
3 – Williams
4 – Ginn
5 – Bogan

Swain – Practice Squad

Nobody else

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2011 1:11 PM PST reply actions  

they will draft a wr, they almost always do

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 7, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I know

But it doesn’t mean he will make the team… Ronald Johnson.

Maybe draft a guy late to compete with Bogan… but I would suspect Bogan could be a monster

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Whats all this hype about Bogan lately?

I’m asking honestly because I dont know and everyone seems to be high on him.

by KGboomer on Dec 7, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

His footage and tape from college. He is a manchild

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

wasnt he a UDFA though?

why would a manchild go undrafted?

by KGboomer on Dec 7, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven't been high on him just lately.

I thought he looked like he has potential months ago, and I still think this.

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by mikeinsp on Dec 7, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Fixed
I thought he looked like he has potential months ago, I thought when we signed him that he had some pretty good potential, and I still think this.

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by mikeinsp on Dec 7, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

will be higher than ronald johnson: like a third or fourth round I am guessing.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 7, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Go figure...

I guess they dropped Hastings. Oh well. I liked that kid.

by smathis on Dec 7, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

No he's still there.

Doesn’t look lie much, though.

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by mikeinsp on Dec 7, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

*like

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by mikeinsp on Dec 7, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Edwards and Morgan will determine 49ers 2012 WRs

If Edwards fails to produce, even when healthy, then he might not be worth keeping, so we need to replace him with a big physical rookie to get that red zone jump ball threat.

If Morgan fails to recover from his injury, then we’ll need to replace him, maybe with an FA like Desean Jackson or a high WR draft prospect.

Ideally the WRs would be as follows:
1. Crabtree
2. Morgan (if replaced with FA or Draft pick then williams is #2)
3. Edwards (if replaced with FA or late round draft pick then Ginn is #3)
4. Williams
5. Ginn
6. Bogan/late round pick/etc. who shows promise and will be inactive most of the season

by reedkrase on Dec 7, 2011 1:18 PM PST reply actions  

both parties want Morgan back

doesn’t mean he’ll be physically able to come back. Horrible injuries that require surgery always run the risk of ending a player’s career.

by reedkrase on Dec 7, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

still not a done deal

until he has passed all physicals, is in football shape and I’ve seen him play I won’t be convinced. Lots of players are ahead of the curve during “recovery” and then fail to turn that final corner.

by reedkrase on Dec 7, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

ok fair enough

That is certainly a possible scenario as well. I wouldnt be too heartbroken if we didnt resign him, just because he was our best receiver over the first few weeks doesnt mean much since none of them were performing too well during that time.

by KGboomer on Dec 7, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

By the time you are convinced,

passed his physical, football shape. play a game, the draft will be over. He will not play this year. So how will you be convinced? Rush him for the NFC Championship so you or anybody else can see if he can still play? Rush him….REALLY!

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by L. J on Dec 7, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

His wasn't that bad. Broken ankles heal pretty well.

A ruptured tendon is much more serious. He (and we) got lucky on that one.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

very true

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Dec 7, 2011 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Harbaugh

Harbaugh made it clear he wants him back. I don’t recall any specific comments from Morgan, although I do expect him back.

by David Fucillo on Dec 7, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

When JM broke his leg...

& posted that he was going to work hard to come back, HE did mention that he wanted to be here next year. Yes the Coach, FO, wants him back. So he will be back! And I think he is a good one.

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by L. J on Dec 7, 2011 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly

If we can keep most of all the players we currently have, the 2012 draft will just be icing on the cake.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2011 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

Something to think about on Desean Jackson

Jackson isn’t that great of a receiver, even if you discount his current horrible season. Grantland’s Bill Barnwell did a great write up on D-Jax before the season started, and his basic takeaway is that Jackson drops waaaaaay too many balls. Even 2007-2010 Ted Ginn was catching more balls per pass than Jackson was in that time frame.

I still think Jackson has potential — anyone who saw the eagles torch the redskins last season on MNF knows that he can be a beast when he wants to. If the 49ers can replace Ginn with Jackson on the cheap, I’d be pretty excited.

by ninerspride on Dec 7, 2011 1:24 PM PST reply actions  

but how sweet would it be to have

Ginn and Jackson, punts and kickoffs would have to go to one of them, and one of them would always be open on the deep routes.

by reedkrase on Dec 7, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

That would be crazy

Ginn, Jackson, Williams, Vernon: The fastest receiving corps in the business. Maybe they’ll catch a few balls too. But hey, if any one of those guys had a career year, the niners would be golden.

by ninerspride on Dec 7, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Later round guys I'd consider

Ryan Broyles
Dwight Jones
Greg Childs
Marvin McNutt
Junior Hemingway
Reuben Randle
Rishard Matthews (Chemistry already with Kaep)

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2011 1:26 PM PST reply actions  

Drew Kerr with his monster scouting report!

Always impressed by your NCAA knowledge.

I’m obviously right about the way the niners will draft (see my post below)…do you have any dark horse predictions for players that fit that mold?

by t p on Dec 7, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks! Appreciate that!

I actually didn’t watch the same amount as I usually do this year… but still know about all those guys from previous years… All of them have nice potential… Prob from rounds 3 – 7

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with t p

You seem to know what you’re talking about. Most of my NCAA knowledge is from the Big 10 since I’m a huge Iowa fan and know plenty about them. I think with the kind of year that McNutt had, he could possibly go in the 2nd round depending on how he does in the combine but I think because he played for Iowa, he will drop to the 3rd or 4th. Iowa is known for their defense and their offensive line. Those are usually the positions that go in the high rounds. I remember Shonn Greene was talked about going late first, early second and he didn’t get drafted until the early 3rd. I would have really liked him as a compliment to Gore with Singletary’s plans on offense.

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by Haggardninja on Dec 7, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Broyles will go in rd 2 I'm pretty sure. He was a 1-2 before the injury

And the fact Oklahoma imploded without him would have raised his value if it wasn’t an injury that put him out. As it is he’ll probably retain his draft stock because it makes him look even better than people thought.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2011 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Dwight Jones has exploded this year

His draft stock has done the same. He’s the same height as Jeffery without the weight problems and is actually a deep threat.

He’s won’t see the bottom of the second and if you base it just on what we’ve seen from this year he’s replaced Jeffery in the top 3 WR.

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by Ougadas on Dec 7, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh... I'm not so sure about that.

Jeffery is going to rip the league apart.

I am high on Jones too but he better have a helluva combine if he goes anywhere near what you’re saying.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think he will

Granted there is a QB issue in SC but even when the ball isn’t thrown his way — actually, especially when the ball isn’t thrown his way Jeffery looks awful. Yeah he can catch the ball but he’s having a horrible time creating separation. He’s pushing 240 and quite frankly I’d rather learn that there are some character issues that are causing him to jog his routes than accept how slow and clumsy he looks on the field.

If this 2011 Jeffery shows up in the NFL, he’s not going to do much of anything. The WR Career Graveyard is packed full of 6’3" + guys who can’t run an NFL route tree and can’t create separation.

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by Ougadas on Dec 7, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

4th or 5th rounder

The niners almost certainly will draft WR. I wouldn’t be surprised if they take one in the top 3 rounds, but more likely they’ll grab someone in the 4th or 5th.

I can see them taking a small school player with size. someone who runs good routes and plays physically with opposing corners. his path to the team is through ST, so he needs to be a hard worker and show a broad skill set.

since they took RoJo last year, it seems like the FO is thinking along the lines of young talent. he didn’t work out- so it’s time to try again!

by t p on Dec 7, 2011 1:28 PM PST reply actions  

Marvin McNutt

I would love to see him in a 49er uniform. Great hands, not a burner but does well with YAC. I expect him to go in the 2nd or 3rd round.

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by Haggardninja on Dec 7, 2011 1:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

He's 6'4"

Not sure where you found that he is 6’2". We could do better but I think the 49ers could get him relatively cheap and he has great value. He also played QB in high school and was recruited by Iowa originally as a QB then moved him to a WR. This year Iowa has built some gimmick plays with him to run or pass, kinda like what the Niners have done with Ginn.

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by Haggardninja on Dec 7, 2011 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

What I like about McNutt is

a) he has a cool name
b) he should continue to improve as a WR since he has not played the position for long
c) I assume a former QB is probably a very good athlete with good leadership skills (no Jamarcus Russell comments please)

by GB9er on Dec 7, 2011 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Here are the sources on his heighth ...

New Era Scouting, NFL Draft Scout, and Frank Cooney’s Draft Scout all have McNutt at 6’2". DraftTek, the least reliable of all draft services, has him at 6’4". The U of Iowa site has him at 6’4", but college sites frequently overstate heights and weights. The rubber will hit the road at the Combine, where we’ll find out for real.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Dec 8, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Criner too at 6'4"

But he will probably go to high

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Believe it or not, but the draft services that I believe most reliable have Criner rated at #139 - #196 (fourth to sixth rounder).

Not surprisingly, Draft Tek — who I believe to be completely unreliable until the combine — rank Criner at #34. Given the depths of competition at WR in this draft, there is no way in hell that Criner will ever be drafted before the third round, and maybe not until the fourth.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Dec 7, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Due to my background

I really want an aggie on this team. Von Miller was taken from us but having Fuller on the team will have me just as excited

by Ikaros on Dec 7, 2011 8:22 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

yes I was

His production dropped this year due to scheme issues (the aggies are the worst second have team), so we should be able to get him in the fourth

by Ikaros on Dec 8, 2011 6:08 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Free Agent WRs

I’ve already spent too much time on this thread, but man, if this team decides to go get a young up-and-coming WR in free agency, they have a lot of options. Desean, Stevie Johnson, Eddie Royal, and Pierre Garcon all look like they’ll be on the open market — and that’s not counting proven superstars like Bowe and Vincent Jackson. I would love to have any of those guys dressed in red and gold in 2012.

by ninerspride on Dec 7, 2011 1:47 PM PST reply actions  

crabs, morgan, and williams

i doubt Braylon will stay without a big new contact.

Resign ted ginn for sure!!! i dont know why but i love watching that guy play.

by steven1lee on Dec 7, 2011 2:06 PM PST reply actions  

I know why,

because he can take it to the house any given time he has the ball.
His problem has been drops. If he can fix that, there is no reason to let him go!

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by MexNiner on Dec 7, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Braylon has earned a big contract…from any team. He won’t get one.

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by Virginia9er on Dec 7, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

*hasn’t…ugh

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by Virginia9er on Dec 7, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Just another opinion ... but it's mine

Niner Free Agents
1. Resign Morgan, assuming he is completely recovered from injury.
2. Resign Ginn IF the dollars are reasonable; else, let him walk
3. Let Edwards (didn’t perform to expectations) and Swain (we can do better) go.

Available Free Agents
1. The only forthcoming free agent WRs that I would consider signing are Dwanne Bowe (KC), Vincent Jackson (SD) or Legedu Naanee (Carolina).
2. I would NOT consider DeSean Jackson, if Philly doesn’t franchise him, because of poor me-first attitude and he will be too costly. Kyle Williams can become nearly as good and is a real hard working team guy.

2012 Draft Prospects
1. First, how WR prospects are considered will depend largely upon whether a other-team free agent WR is signed: that would obviously impact the draft need. For the sake of this piece, let’s assume that the Niners do not sign any vet free agent WRs from other teams.
2. Because of other priorities I don’t see the Niners addressing the WR position until the third and/or fourth round. Clearly, then, Blackmon, Jeffrey, Floyd, Toon, Wright, Sanu, and probably Randle will be gone.
3. Believe it or not, with Edwards gone, our TALLEST WR is 6’1". Thus, in my opinion, we must replace Edwards’ size through the draft; fortunately there are some good round 3-4 prospects out there, even after the high-rated guys (see above) are long gone.
4. I would propose to draft TWO tall / fast WRs … one in the thrid round and one in the fourth. I would take the two best available from: Dwight Jones (North Carolina), Jeff Fuller (Texas A&M), Juron Criner (Arizona), Brian Quick (Appalachian State), or Greg Childs (Arkansas). However, there is also a sleeper to add to the list … not yet determined whether he will come out of not. Tommy Streeter (Miami FL) … 6’5", 215, 4.45-4.49 speed.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Dec 7, 2011 2:12 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed--we don't need to draft a WR early

I think that it is more likely that we will draft a WR in later rounds rather than early. For every Justin Blackmon, there is a Rashaun Woods. Plus, the WR position seems to yield many more late-round gems than other positions. And, as more and more teams are going to the spread system in college, there are many more pro-ready WRs.

I think we do need a tall WR, but I also think that if we do let Edwards go, like you suggest, then we should get a good blocking WR (depending on how Morgan goes, especially).

THUS, I would focus on the other positions of need earlier—OLB, CB and OL come to mind (depending on how our two late round OL picks pan out)…and then, pick up a WR later.

by Zabka522 on Dec 7, 2011 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

WR is a must in 2012 draft

I do think the Niners 1st priority for next years draft is either a WR or CB. It’s more likely that the Niners can get a better WR if they are picking that low in the draft (hopefully the 32nd pick), since good CBs get pick higher in the draft. The Niners will need more talent in the WR position simply because of all the free agencies they will face next year, although I do think OT or OG on the right side is a bigger need. Obviously the 1st priority for next year’s free agencies will be Alex Smith (yes Alex Smith). Then A Brooks, D Goldson, C Rogers, and my man D Walker. So with all those free agents I don’t think we can afford to re-sign Edwards. I would like to re-sign T Ginn for the right price. Not that Ginn is a better receiver than Edwards but his speed is such an asset to the team. He really post a big threat to the opposing team even if he is just a decoy. Another reason why I think we need WR is that in the back of my mind (and I hope I’m wrong) I feel that Crabtree will want out of SF after his contract is done. Just looking back in his rookie hold out and every pre-season since. I really hope he has a change of heart now that we have the winning chemistry but that remains to be seen. I’m not a big college football fan so who’s available next year?

by willisHOF on Dec 7, 2011 2:42 PM PST reply actions  

I don't see WR as that high of a priority

Later in the draft, yeah but not the first several rounds. Williams is looking pretty good and Morgan will be back. I think I’d be pretty happy with Crabtree, Morgan, Williams. Ginn has been decent as a receiver this year too.

by Andrew9erfan on Dec 7, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't agree about Crabtree....

If we’d of had the previous regime in as coach, for sure he’d want to go. BUT, with this system, and his development as the go-to WR with Smith, I think he’ll stay. Plus, the Niners are more and more focused on rewarding their own with big contracts than going out and spending in FA. Thus, Crabtree will stay, I predict…

by Zabka522 on Dec 7, 2011 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

So a decision his agent made and injuries make you feel he won't resign? Totally.
Just looking back in his rookie hold out and every pre-season since.

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by mikeinsp on Dec 7, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

WR's next yr

Crabtree
Wiliams
Morgan-resign
Edwards-pending how he does the end of the season/playoffs. If he contribute resign him if not then move on. Reasonable price that is.
Ginn-Resign if reasonable price if not see if any WR go the free agent route/get 1 duing the draft.
Bogan-Curious to see how he does.
Swain-would like to see him get playing time but not much room, not needed here.

by h0ckeysk83r on Dec 7, 2011 3:14 PM PST reply actions  

draft

Nick Toon, Dwight Jones, Aaron Dobson are all realistic picks for us. All big physical wrs

by Giants49war on Dec 7, 2011 5:28 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Coby Fleener: A radical perspective

At Stanford Harbaugh used some 3 TE sets with great success. This 3 TE set gives so many options within the power game. We’ve all seen the success Jimmy Graham for the Saints has had. Fleener, currently he top rated TE in college football, is the same size as Graham, 6’6" 250 lbs, is faster than Graham or Edwards, has a 38" vertical, great hands, tough attitude, was also a very good basketball player and is amazingly athletic like Graham, and has learned how to block as a TE for 5 years at Stanford [unlike Graham who is a beginner as a blocker]. Fleener can also line up anywhere, as Walker does, can block down on linemen or completely wipe out DBs and linebackers. He’s a better redzone player than Edwards or Walker right now and would give Alex a large talented target near the goal line. Fleener is as fast as most WRs—not as fast as Williams and Ginn, but very fast for a TE. IMO, Coby Fleener brings more to this team than the WRs I’ve seen mentioned.

With Williams on the rise [I really like this guy], whether or not Ginn comes back depends on the contract. I like Ginn also, he’s making great effort and has really helped this team. I’d like to see Ginn come back. But Williams is special. I don’t know if I’ve ever seem a small WR with his speed that has as good hands as he does. It’s amazing to me how he effortlessly catches hard passes that most WRs struggle to snag. His hands always seem relaxed, confident, and sticky. Maybe it’s his baseball background. Whatever it is, color me impressed. I’m not as excited about Edwards or Morgan, but trust the FO to do with them what is best for the team.

by petillius7 on Dec 7, 2011 7:16 PM PST reply actions  

Interesting idea

It’s an interesting proposition you make. I’m not all that excited about any of the TE’s in this draft, but Fleener does seem to be the best. Doesn’t seem fast when you compare him to Vernon’s freakish sub 4.4 though, and it’s surely suspect that he can be as good a Graham (what a draft steal). Interesting idea none the less, especially if we could get Fleener in the 4th.

by GB9er on Dec 7, 2011 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Coby Fleener's speed

Walter Football has guessed his 40 as 4.79 which is worse than a joke. I’ve exchanged e-mails with Walt and he admits he knows less than nothing about Fleener’s 40 yet he did the projection and won’t change it until after the combine. Fleener will run a 4.5 max. Most of the time he’s been at Stanford he’s been the fastest player period. This year he’s the third fastest. The fact that he is 6’6" and can jump so well, can find openings and make big plays, brings something to the table that the 49ers do not currently have. VD is great, and Walker is good at what he does, but they are not long like Graham or Calvin Johnson. That’s just a different possibility like now having 2 speed guys in Ginn and Williams that give Alex more options and may open the running lanes a bit. Fleener will be a second or early third round pick.

by petillius7 on Dec 8, 2011 2:50 AM PST up reply actions  

49ers WRs

There are a lot of good draft prospects for WR in the first three rounds. There are sure thing #1s, some of whom may still be available in round 1, and potential #1s who will be available through 4 rounds and there are fast shifty #2s and niche WRs with PR skills too.

There is also a lot of proven NFL WRs as free agents. Dwayne Bowe is the best out there and would provide us a big, fast, sure handed, #1 wideout and red zone target. There is also Vincent Jackson Marques Colston, and Steve Johnson (Oakland native) as #1 NFL WRs. There is DeSean Jackson who has already been mentioned here and who is not a #1 as much as a specialty player.

Then there are our own free agents of which Braylon is the one I would but in with the list of #1 WRs above. Don’t judge a player who is injured. Braylon had nearly 1000 yards with the Jets last year and recall him making some wicked and critical plays in the playoff game against the Colts. A lot of 9ers fans have ripped Crabtree for the last 2+ years, but look at what he is doing healthy (Rams and Cardinals utter domination)

I would certainly do cartwheels if the 49ers got Bowe! I doubt we’ll seriously enter that sweepstakes though rather than just pushing the market price up for someone else (a la Nmandi A… how’d that work out?).

I do think they will use free agency to address the WR needs though because there is depth there that will allow them to value shop. Don’t be at all surprised if they bring Braylon back at a reasonable price. He has more value to us now that he knows our system than he did last year. The biggest reason the 49ers will use free agency for WR is will allow them to draft other needs that are not available in free agency. I don’t think you’re going to get a foundational RT in free agency (yes, I too believe Anthony Davis will be a pro bowl RG, but forever a step slow at RT), I don’t think there are a bevy of shut down corners on the market and there is not a rush OLB. We might however find these in the 1st 3 rounds of the draft.

The front office set a precedent of acquiring undervalued veterans who were 1st round picks with Donte Whitner, and Carlos Rogers. I think it is very likely then that they let the big names go off the market and then sign Robert Meachem who is in his 5th season, was the 27th pick in the draft, is 6-2, 215, sub 4.4 and has the Saints championship pedigree.

The WRs would be

  1. Braylon Edwards
  2. Michael Crabtree
  3. Robert Meachem
  4. Kyle Williams
  5. Either Ginn or a 4th/5th round WR/PR

How do you like that?

by GB9er on Dec 7, 2011 9:30 PM PST reply actions  

Or we carry 6 WRs

Ok, now I’m just having a conversation with myself.

by GB9er on Dec 7, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

The bottom line on the draft class

When you start looking at these 6’3" – 6’4" guys they all have a couple things in common.

Draft any of them, from the first round on down, and this is what you get.

1. Runs a very limited route tree, and has issues rounding off cuts. Most have never seen an NFL route tree.
2. Speed, they don’t have NFL speed. If any of these guys can come to the combine and run a sub 4.5 they’ll improve their draft stock by a round or more.
3. Inconsistent hands. They’ll show up with a one handed circus grab twice a year but let 10-15 balls bounce of their shoulderpads trying to body-catch.
4. Very questionable blocking skills — especially for their size.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Dec 7, 2011 11:20 PM PST reply actions  

MIKE WALLACE

pretty positive this man is going to be a free agent, but will likely re-sign with pittsburgh. i do not want desean jackson at all. morgan, yes. ginn, yes. but we should get these two for cheap. morgan and ginn want to be here, and they dont have the stats to leverage a big deal. i would love to have mike wallace, and im curious if he is going to listen to offers, not just the steelers’

by Dylan DeSimone on Dec 7, 2011 11:29 PM PST reply actions  

Wallace is a restricted FA

Anyone offering him a deal of more than 1.5 million or 110% of previous years salary (larger one counts) gives the Steelers two options.

1. Match that offer and keep Wallace.
2. Take that teams first round draft pick.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Dec 8, 2011 12:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Trade a draft pick to the Giants

for Nicks

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Dec 7, 2011 11:32 PM PST reply actions  

No way in hell the Giants trade Nicks

He was a beast coming out of college and he will be a beast for many years to come in the NFL, he is one of the most up and coming WR’s in the NFL, if they did it….I would be highly suprised, but I would give them a possible 2nd /3rd no first…..which our 2nd/3rd basically accumulates to an early 3rd/4th

Sometimes I wake up grumpy; other times I let her sleep.

by chicagobullies on Dec 11, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

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