2011 NFL Draft: A.J. Green And A Michael Crabtree Scenario
by David Fucillo on Feb 23, 2011 8:00 AM PST
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During the 2009 NFL Draft, a few intriguing moves led to Michael Crabtree falling into the lap of the San Francisco 49ers. Whatever your thoughts on Crabtree at this point, it was generally considered a no-brainer that the 49ers had to snag the guy considered the best wide receiver in the draft. We can thank Al Davis and Darrius Heyward-Bey for that result.
As we close in on the 2011 NFL Draft, I was curious if such a situation could arise and affect the 49ers draft plans with the seventh overall pick. I wanted to take a look at the wide receiver position and specifically Georgia wide receiver A.J. Green. It's not a direct comparison with Crabtree but it doesn't mean we can't discuss it.
At this point, the odds of A.J. Green seem fairly long. Although we might see Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert climb into the top five, I would argue Von Miller has a better shot of dropping to the 49ers than Green. The Browns are switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and Miller is better served as a 3-4 outside linebacker. However, moving beyond that, let's look at a few possible scenarios involving Green being available at the 49ers pick:
1. Peterson & Miller both gone
2. Peterson gone, Miller available
3. Peterson available, Miller gone
Does A.J. Green fit into the Michael Crabtree scenario where he's clearly the best player available. And more importantly, do the 49ers just go with him as BPA in any of the above scenarios like they did with the tenth overall pick when Crabtree fell to them in 2009? Mocking the Draft rates him as their top draft-eligible player while ESPN rates him out at fourth but more or less in a dead heat with Da'Quan Bowers, Nick Fairley, Patrick Peterson, and Von Miller.
If A.J. Green was available at seven in one of the above scenarios, is he a guy the 49ers should grab as best player available? In the above situations it seems like Patterson is the pick in number three, but beyond that it's tough to say. If Peterson and Miller are gone, I'd have to think the 49ers could bring in a decent haul from somebody looking to upgrade at wide receiver in an unexpected position. I'm relatively happy with the 49ers wide receivers at this point and would probably prefer a haul of picks rather than a big talent like A.J. Green. Of course, I'm open to persuasion otherwise.
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You have to take him. He instantly sod upgrade the run game. Put him Crabtree and Ginn on the field and what will you do? I promise there won’t be 8 in the box, and if you man up on him in this division, good luck!!!!
RLOTT#42
by rlott#42 on Feb 23, 2011 8:39 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
+1
i agree, cant pass up talent like that.
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Feb 23, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
But where does that put Josh???
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
On the bench
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
In the gym and working at his craft. If he is as good as we think he is, then he will rise to the occasion.
by mcwagner on Feb 23, 2011 3:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Add Vernon and Gore to that equation...
Although I would sub Williams for Ginn in that equation… let Ginn be our Joshua Cribbs and stick to the returns (what he is best at).
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I was speaking in terms of one down. I honestly would have Green, Crabtree, Williams, 1-3,on the depth chart.
RLOTT#42
Without Green playing a down...
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
Grab him in a New York second.
He would take our offense to a whole new level even with A Smith as QB!
Yeah
Scot McCloughan and Mike Singletary agree with you.
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
So you're saying that drafting Green is a bad idea,
or that having great receivers won’t help out a QB? If it’s another round of Alex bashing, you’re years too late for that argument.
Did you check the video???
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
Rlott doesn't like Crabtree. I think that's a well established fact.
Just pointing out the irony.
(the video hyperlink in the above post)
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
I'm not a fan of Crabtree either, and I've stated in many posts that I think his skill set is indicative
of a #2, wideout not a #1. I don’t hate the guy, but I do think he’s overrated and more suited as a posession receiver. Who knows, maybe under Harbaugh he’ll get his act together and learn to run better routes, get a little more separation from DB’s, and actually become the guy we thought we drafted. But I’m convinced that his lack of speed makes him an easy cover, and he will never be " THE " guy that causes defensive coordinators to lose sleep over a game plan to stop him.
good for you
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
lol
You’re trying to pick a fight but it won’t work.
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
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I think his point is that your “good for you” comment is a bit flippant given the context of his comment. Whether he is correct or not, he expressed an opinion and made specific points to back up his opinion. It’d be much more productive if you had provided counters to his points, rather than just say “good for you.”
by David Fucillo on Feb 23, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Crabtree, Green
This post is not about Crabtree. If you’d prefer to just keep this discussion about Green then you could also ignore his comment.
by David Fucillo on Feb 23, 2011 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn't trying to 'belittle' anything
It was my opinion that you wanted to start an argument.
I was trying to avoid one.
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
the WCO
demands precision and timing by receivers, and accuracy from QB’s . I beleive the chance that crabs can get better is much greater than a QB like alex getting better . he has struggled for 7 years with short passing game and I don’t beleive that he gets miraculously better under any coach. if your opinion is that green is the next J. rice great, but the biggest need we have is CB,QB, OLB. the lions drafted receivers first for years and placed last in the league. till they started drafting defensively.
what's next?
I happen to completely agree with you
but the biggest need we have is CB,QB, OLB.
Right on!
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
Let's mock it up:
Petersen and Miller both gone
1-Car-Fairley
2-Den-Petersen
3-Buf-Newton
4-Cin-Green
5-Ari-Miller
6-Cle-Bowers
7-SFO-??
Petersen Gone, Miller available
1-Car-Fairley
2-Den-Petersen
3-Buf-Newton
4-Cin-Green
5-Ari-Gabbert
6-Cle-Bowers
7-SFO-Miller
Petersen and Miller both available
1-Car-Fairley
2-Den-Bowers
3-Buf-Newton
4-Cin-Green
5-Ari-Gabbert
6-Cle-Quinn
7-SFO-Petersen/Miller
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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(I guess that was a fail, since I just assumed that Green would go 4th to Cincy)...
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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my thoughts exactly
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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How so? We invested well in the OL last year, so that question is mindboggling.
Right along with your comment!
RLOTT#42
I think the main point is that..
Assembling an all star crew of wide receivers.. without anyone to throw them the ball, an o-line that still needs to learn how to pass protect, and a defense that can’t stop anybody… is a big waste of time and money.
Right, but since only the qb is the real issue, and those other tidbits are false, it makes sense.
All star WR? Who do we have already?
D can’t stop anybody? More like offense couldn’t put up the points.
OL, is best in a looooooong time. Adding a dangerous field stretcher, backs the pressure off, or opens things up quickly.
RLOTT#42
Well.. trying to assemble an all star crew of receivers at least.
Yes, our D can’t stop anyone who can throw the ball, and we make teams that can’t throw the ball into aerial dynamite.
Yes, our O-line is great at run blocking but we are one of the worst in the NFL at protecting the passer.
Protecting a qb with piss poor pocket awareness aids that. We dont have on all star receiver, lets be real.
Our team played to its competition all year. We gave up more points vs worse QBs, except vs the Chargers. Saints and Falcons QBs didn’t kill anything red and gold. A better scheme on D wins those games.
RLOTT#42
3rd and long,
we got killed in that situation. all season long, we have the run d, time to get the pass rusher and legit shutdown corner.
what's next?
Could have sworn we drafted two Olinemen in last years draft 2009.
2008 – DT
2007 – LB. OT
2006 – TE
2005 – QB
etc, etc…
I don’t see how drafting two WR’s in three years equates to what Matt Millen was doing in Detroit.
Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne were both 1st rounders. I don’t get what the big deal is, if Peterson and Miller were gone, and the 2nd or 3rd best player in the draft was still on the board
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I would rather take Julio Jones
Trade down before the Rams and we have our physical over the middle endzone threat WR. He can run punts and kick offs. I think he will run a decent 40 time.
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If you can get another 2nd or 3rd round pick, then that would be pretty sweet to get Jones. I don’t know if you want to risk him in the return game though. The Niners have Ginn for that still, don’t they?
I would like it if they traded down with the Patriots if they were willing to trade up. Theoretically, they would love to get a top 10 Defensive talent. The Niners would receive both 1st round picks that they have, and possibly even a 2nd or 3rd rounder if the Patriots found a guy they really liked.
The Draft always have something interesting
going on. So I am glad that they are going to have one. That’s my do not disturb weekend lol.
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I'd love it, but your thinking is wishful ...
Looking a the Trade Table, a trade of the #7 pick to New England would yield #17 plus #33, exactly. No added picks either way. Probably the key question with respect to whether NE would be motivated to move up is “how much stronger might they feel about drafting Robert Quinn (who will not be available at 17) versus Cam Jordan (who could conceivably fall to 17)?”
No way that we could get NE’s 17th and 28th pick without giving them a low-third- or high-fourth-round pick in addition to 7. That isn’t going to happen. So, it’s 7 for 17 and 33, or no go. However, if Quinn, Peterson or Green weren’t available to us at 7, I’d make that trade in a nanosecond if NE would.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 23, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Shoot me in the face.
I would rather take Julio Jones
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison
"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin
Jones
Has always been an inconsistent hands catcher. He’s not a true downfield burner. Injury history.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison
"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin
You do know he was playing with broken hand?
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He is more of a threat than Green
Trust me we don’t want him going to the Rams
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If he's still there at 7 (which I doubt)
The first option will be to listen to offers since there will be several teams targeting him.
If no deal can be struck, then grab him. Green is an elite WR talent and would be an absolute steal at 7.
by UncleHulka on Feb 23, 2011 8:52 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I would only go for him if both Miller and Petersen were gone
and we couldn’t trade back a couple of picks and still get a top-10 guy.
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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Hes a steal outside of 1-4, why pass on a steal?
I understand our needs don’t get me wrong. This one player gives Gore more lanes, Davis more seam routes, and Crabtree a lot of man to man. We’d average more points easily, last time I checked all of our losses were not by 15 points or more, that was the Seahawks.
RLOTT#42
by rlott#42 on Feb 23, 2011 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the case for picking Green is actually the fact that the 2011 Niners might suck.
Think about it: team’s down big and needs to throw. You’ve got a big downfield target that reminds a few people of Randy Moss. Huck it up and hope he comes down with it.
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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by grantmp on Feb 23, 2011 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldnt expect the team tovbe down big. We were hardly down big under Singletary.
The case for Green is he’s better than any WR on the roster and he’d be a steal at 7.
RLOTT#42
by rlott#42 on Feb 23, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm kinda being facetious
There’s usually an adjustment period to a new coach, esp. if the team has very little time to absorb a new scheme.
The fact that the team was rarely down big was part and parcel of the fact that the team was rarely up big either. It was low-risk, low-reward football. Harbs has suggested that that’s not his model.
The team’s offensive weapons (outside QB) are adequate to play winning football, and the needs on defense cry out to be addressed. Although Green could very well contribute to the team’s success down the road (just as Calvin Johnson will probably will in a year or two), my short-term expectations would drop if the team picked him up in the draft.
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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Im just pushing for Green if he is there. He adds a lot to the offense.
And our defense isn’t as bad as a lot of people think.
RLOTT#42
The defense isn't that bad, it's true.
The ‘09 unit was really stout. But I wonder if Fangio’s scheme doesn’t need different personnel to be run effectively.
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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I'd think so..
He blitzes. Alot.. and the CB’s gotta be able to cover man on man to give the blitz time to get there.
He also doesn’t really run a 3-4.
It’s more like a 3-4 hybrid. He likes OLB’s that can line up at DE and make a 4 man front… he’ll do that alot to change things up and show the O-line different looks.
when I made up my mock draft, that was my thinking too--
you need a press cover corner. #7 was too high for him, but he would fit the scheme. If they could trade back into the teens (assuming Smith runs well at the combine) and get him and pick up another draft pick (say a #1 for next year and a teens draft pick this year) that would be worth it, IMO. Luck ain’t in this year’s draft.
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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He only gave up 12 completions in man to man coverage.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
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If it's a hybrid 3-4 and a worst-case scenario top 6 plays out
(like, say, Fairley/Bowers/Petersen/Miller/Green/Newton), do you think Quinn would be a fit (assuming he checks out medically and athletically at the Combine) in a kind of Darnell Dockett kind of role?
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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I do.
Very much.
I’m watching more tape this week on the Stanford O and D to take some notes on X’s and O’s.. hope to have something ready by this weekend.
I'll look for that.
BTW, for a late joiner (I’ve been around since ‘08), you bring some game. I’ve enjoyed your contributions here at Niners Nation.
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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For a couple years yes.
Never as high as the college level. I hated recruiting and dealing with funding and administrations at the high school level… no way I was going to start buying Pepto in bulk, and I’m not sure I would have ever been that good at it anyway.
Working with the pop warner kids was the most fulfilling.
Thats cool so you get them as a fresh slate
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
A good pop warner coach is hard to find. They have to be patient, fair, and knowledgeable.
by mcwagner on Feb 23, 2011 11:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Definitely patient and fair.
You don’t have to be that knowledgeable about X’s and O’s as long as you can teach technique.
Too many coaches at that level try to throw too much at kids with complex offenses, hole numbering systems, formations.. it’s not fair to them and is usually more important to the coach’s ego than it is to winning.
I had 8 runs and 2 passes, no confusion over “I set, 28 power trap on 2”.. Run 1 formation, call the (simpler) play “Rampage” (use mnemonics — no confusion that “Eagle” is a pass play) and go on first sound every play.
The hardest thing at that level is getting 11 kids all on the same page. Do that and you have good teams where every kid has a blast.
amen
i have grown boys who played in pop warner in az, and 2 of the 3 played local college ball. we had a lot of bad coaches and thankfully each boy had 1 great coach . football has enhanced their life experience, and paid in part for their education, thank you for being a coach at that level.
what's next?
"Do I think that Quinn would fit?" Actually NO, not a "fit", the PERFECT PLAYER for Fangio's scheme!
So, why is that? He’s big enough (6’ 5" and 268) to play the 4/3 DE (and has multiple moves) AND fast enough to be the stud 3/4 pass-rush OLB … he is only .07 seconds slower in the 40 than the 6’ 2", 237 pound Von Miller. Ah, wow! Although he wasn’t asked to cover much at North Carolina, his skills there appear to be at least average, maybe better. We’ll find out in the next ten days.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 23, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Assuming his medical checks out,
and he’s kept in good shape his year off… this kid is going to be an absolute beast in a 3-4 hybrid system.
The trouble is he could go top 5 after the combine. Mayock, wrote today he thinks Quinn will be a contender for the top overall pick after the combine.
Yep.
Mayock you bastard. I don’t think he’ll be there.
Of course, we could see it Fairley, Dareus, Peterson, Green, Bowers, Miller…
the Niners are not going to be good in 2011
Especially if there is a significant lockout. There just won’t be enough time to adapt to a new system.
The goal should be a championship, not an 8-8 lame duck division winner. They are not championship contender until the QB situation gets fixed, and that doesn’t look like it’s happening this offseason.
If you’re not competing you should be team building, not plugging holes. That means if you get a chance at a top 3 or 4 player like Green and you have a starting spot for them, you take them. Sure, if someone wanted to give a boatload of picks I’d listen, but I’d want a #5 overall haul, not #7.
I’d take Green over Miller, but I’d take Peterson over either.
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Feb 23, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
matt flynn for president in 2012
you have to remember that the niners were only one game away from the playoffs……
niners should have beat new orleans.
i think the niners could have made jay cutler choke one week earlier
and with a better qb and cb and offensive coaching the niners will be able to beat green bay.
good draft and better coaching the niners can be contender.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 23, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
If he's still there at 7
Maybe we can entice NE to trade
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
No no no, NE trades DOWN, not up!
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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Green would be the one prospect I can seem them trading up for.
The Pats did open up the bank to assemble their 2007 WR corps—that would be the only analogy I can see for this kind of move from them.
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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Green's a possession receiver?
I’ve heard the Randy Moss comparison way more than, say, Housh, or whomever.
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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If I needed a sure 7 yards
I’d go to him for sure. Not saying he’s not a big play guy, just want to see him run the 40.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
You may be right, RLott
Mel Kiper had this to say in a recent chat:
Jim (MA) Best option for the Pats at #17? Akeem Ayers, if he is there?
Mel Kiper (1:55 PM) Ayers, yeah. He’ll be right in that mix. I would think they look at a 3-4 DE like Cameron Jordan. I keep hearing that they might move up to get AJ Green. You could imagine putting Green on that team with that offense and those TEs they brought in last year and Welker and the backs they have. You’d be looking at a lethel offense.
If the Niners swung a deal with them for their two first rounders, I’d be thrilled (unless they did so when Petersen was still on the board, which would basically never happen).
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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Two firsts?
Forget Peterson/Green. We could get Smith and someone else or Jimmy Smith and some future first round picks.
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my dog <3
Would rather Harris....
and then try to trade away for ammunition next year in a QB heavy draft.
by 9thevolution on Feb 23, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
they DO trade up
but since BB took over as coach in 2000 the patriots have never traded into the top ten. they just dont want to pay the big salaries and bonuses. i would be very surprised if they did that trade but as a NE native id love to have green for brady to throw to
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by remembering9ergods on Feb 23, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
NE has 23 first or second year players on their roster
Do they really want to add another 10 rookies in 2011?
I could definitely see them trading up, especially since it’s assumed that early selections will be more cost controlled with the new CBA.
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Feb 23, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
assumed being the key word
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Feb 23, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
There is no way we spend another top ten draft pick on a receiver.
And without any rookie wage scale yet, that would be way too much money invested into the wide receiver position. I love the idea of having him on the team but I can`t see it happening. We have too many other needs. Our best option would be to trade the pick
by Willy G on Feb 23, 2011 9:00 AM PST via mobile reply actions
What did Fitzgerald run?
Rice? TO? Forget that, which of our WRs can run that besides Ginn?
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Kyle Williams is pretty damn fast
You think he stacks up physically to TO or fitz? and your going to compare him with the greatest football player of all time?
He’s a great receiver but who’s going to throw him the ball? David Carr?
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
dixon lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 23, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
do not need wr
need qb,cb,olb
trade back for anything and get a player at one of those positions
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When it comes to speed
I’d like to see a guy get separation on DB’s in the open field. Does anybody have a highlight where he does that?
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Fitzgerald is a deep threat but isn't very fast.
The reason he gets separation is his burst. He gets off the line in .16 seconds while the average football player gets off at .32. Gets him a yard off the average CB. It was on sports science.
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2 tenths of a second on the snap...
Doesn’t even give him half a yard. And that’s assuming he’s accelerating at 1 G, which he isn’t.
The other guy isn't moving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrVCWddQHN8&feature=related
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Oh god, that's worse science than I thought..
They are taking the MEAN AVERAGE.. of all the trials of CB’s, WR’s, and RB’s.. and using Fitz’s BEST time.
Come on man.. didn’t you say you were a math major?
Maths minor
I don’t have the data to do my own calculations but they use the average of the best times I believe. Plus Statistics are meant to adjusted to fit your argument.
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Hahaha.. very true on real world statistics.. 3 levels of lies, lies, big lies, and statistics.
But usually when you find people adjusting them you can dig a little bit and point out where they lacked rigor.
Basically.. they are measuring a highly variable process over a wide variety of athletes, taking a member of the group that should perform best on average, and then selecting his best time.
Basically.. they are measuring a highly variable process over a wide variety of athletes, taking a member of the group that should perform best on average, and then selecting his best time.So in essence, all they are saying is that if you look at a value that’s higher than a standard deviation from the mean then it’s higher than the mean.. which is a definition… higher numbers are higher.
Dammit
I’ve got to stop typing like I talk.
I’ve figured out that it’s the ellipses that cause this formatting bug.
double dashes are what you want:
just type space dash dash space and the formatting gods favor you with a beautifully formed em-dash.
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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I think they did fastest average for the average NFL
but I believe that using a median score would be a better representation.
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If you wanted to see where Fitz falls in the population..
The quick and dirty way would be to take a decent number of samples from him, and compare his mean to the population mean, and see where he falls on the bell curve.
If you wanted to do it with some rigor — I’m sure there’s a t-test that would be appropriate.
Those Sport Science clips are good for comedy value only.
They are almost always premised on a fundamental misunderstanding of the scientific concepts in play.
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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I think he was also a deep threat
1) because hall of famer Kurt Warner was throwing him the ball
2) he attacks the ball at the highest point. Probly the best in the league.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
If Green fell to us in those three conditions this is what I would do.
1. Trade down
2. Trade down
3. Draft Peterson
I wouldn’t be upset if we drafted Green but I would prefer to get numerous picks for this wonderful bait.
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by manraj7 on Feb 23, 2011 9:25 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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IMO, Petersen and Green are basically similar picks in terms of value. That likely means both of them will be gone at #7, and the need for Petersen is so much higher, I wouldn’t think twice about it. In fact, I’d run up to the podium to draft Petersen…unless the Titans called and offered to give me a draft pick to get Green.
Best case scenario 49ers mock draft:
1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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You can make a case to trade down if Peterson is there. I need to see both of theor combine times.
Like I’ve said, Is trade Crabtree, before that pick and I stand ni that, well with Green there. FYI, if Green is there, Peterson is definitely not.
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ok, but seriously...
who is going to trade us for Crabtree?
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1:7 Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M 2:13 Marsh CB Utah St 3:12 Kaepernick QB Nevada
4:11 Taiwan Jones, RB Eastern Washington 4:18 Greg Little WR, UNC 5:10 Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 6:9 Lee Smith TE, Marshall 6:25 Cortez Allen CB, Citadel
7:8 Alex Henery, K, Nebraska 7:TBA Will Hill, FS, Florida
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ill rather not
i would take peterson if available and amukamara for sure cause i know he is there he is my favorite look back at the pass defense of the niners they havent improve since 2002. with amukamara at 1st cb, clements 2nd cb
i'll take it!
QB: ?
RB: gore
WR: green
WR: crabtree
WR: morgan
TE: davis
even with a mediocre QB thats offense could be great.
yes we need a CB but we can get a decent one in the 2nd round or free agency
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by remembering9ergods on Feb 23, 2011 9:54 AM PST reply actions
need a cb AND qb AND olb
not to mention the questions at the safety position.
wr is not a need. and it does not matter if you have rodney white, fitzgerald and owens if you have no qb to throw the ball.
matters even less on sundays that spencer decides to have a bad game and give up two easy touchdowns.
it would be great to have green but unless we get nnamdi and get two olb in free agency and then get a qb some how green should not be consideration.
and many a few great wideouts have been picked in the third round…
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 23, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
if Peterson, Prince, or Miller isnt there
trade down
Agree!
We need to fill our needs! We have a top rated WR but no one to throw it to him. Peterson, Prince, Miller or Quinn or else get more picks.
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by wellnesscoach on Feb 23, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
from barrows twitter in 64 days and 7 hours
With the 7nth pick in the 2011 nfl draft the San Francisco 49ers select Tyron Smith offensive tackle Southern California University
With the 45th pick in the 2011 nfl draft the San Francisco 49ers select Mike Pouncey guard from Florida
With the 76th pick in the 2011 nfl draft the San Francisco 49ers select Kirs 0’Dowd, center from Southern Califronia University
no more questions about the o-line.
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I'd be hard pressed to pass on Green if he's there, even with Peterson still on the board
I would certainly listen to any and all offers if he was still on the board though. It wouldn’t be a case of immediately pulling the trigger on Green if he’s there. The only teams that I wouldn’t allow to trade up at that point are the other three in the division. Just have to make sure the team moving isn’t looking at another player and the Rams don’t have an opportunity to go get Green. If he’s still there at 8, I can’t see the Rams staying put.
The best scenario would be to move back a few spots, get an extra pick or two, and pick up Brandon Harris or Quinn if still available. This fills an immediate need with a player who should be able to start, or spot-start depending on gameplanning, and gives us some room to move back up in later rounds if necessary.
If there aren’t any good offers made, then you take Green and see what happens. Maybe a team who wants him ups their trade offer once he’s off the board. Can we trade like that during the current labor situation? In any case, as Baalke has said, you don’t pass up the best player or else you aren’t getting better.
Our Odds Are Still Good.
I find myself hesitant to be an offseason champ but FA or not, this offseason is slowly turning out to be really strong:
Out of this years selection pool we obtained arguably is the best coach in Jim Harbaugh, therefore we’ve already addressed the franchises most important need. Because of Harhaugh and company there will finally be an offensive identity that utilizes all the talent on this team. We’ve upgraded a special teams unit that is poised to improve with new personal AND we may also find ourselves improving on defense as well.
Secondly with the QB draft stock rising we could find ourselves with multiple options at #7 assuming Buffalo and Arizona both take a QB at the beginning of a draft. If we’re really lucky Denver may pass on Peterson since they just resigned Champ Bailey, meaning we could be in an amazing position to upgrade either our secondary or pass rush with the best talent available at those positions in this draft.
Already I’m psyched about the coaching staff and can realistically see this draft falling into our hands in the first round.
Bit confused
I’ve never seen AJ Green play as we have no college football here, and I’m not an expert anyway, which is why I always ask questions rather than offer statements.
This is one. How come, in the 2009 draft, all of the talk was of Crabtree being a once in a generation receiver, the new Jerry Rice, the new Michael Irvin … those were not my thoughts, they were what I read, pretty much everywhere, at the time.
I do not remember anyone – literally not one person – here on NN or anywhere else suggest Crabtree was a #2 receiver, or anything other than a megastar in the making. The feeling was, once he dropped to 10, we couldn’t not take him.
Two years on, I read the same stuff about Green as I was reading about Crabtree back in 09. Which begs three questions (in my mind anyway):
- Did everyone get it wrong with Crabtree
- If they didn’t, why are some folks now keen to see Crabtree traded away (surely he’d be a better #2 than Morgan, Ginn or Ziegler even if folks have given up on him as a #1???)
- Most pertinently to this conversation, how can the same people (which is everyone pretty much) be so sure about Green now if they got it wrong with Crabtree?
That’s not a criticism of anyone – I’m just curious. I am a bit confused as the whole AJ Green conversation just feels like Groundhog Day.
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good questions
some of my thoughts…
maybe the crabtree hype went a little too far- he wasn’t so much a ‘once-in-a-generation’ WR as he was a ‘unique talent’. most of the WR’s who look good coming out of college are giant speedsters that can leap to any height (the randy moss/larry fitzgerald type). crab was that guy with the shifty, RAC, zone buster skills (rice/irvin type). Thing is, any QB with an arm can lob the ball to Moss or Fitz…but you gotta be a savvy QB to get the ball to Rice or Irvin…you have to know where they’re going after you throw them the ball.
everyone partly got it wrong w/ crabtree- some of his failure has to be the SF Niner QB situation and the limp coaching. But that doesn’t negate the fact that he has shown poor effort in running his routes and catching the ball. So, yea. I feel like I read crabtree wrong, i expected a lot more polish to his game.
so should we trade him? no way! give him a shot with the WCO and lets see who he can be. he’s still a unique talent and we’re more than likely to kick ourselves for that decision.
Green’s gonna be a really good receiver if the right team drafts him. it’s hard not to be intrigued by the possibilities…especially since WR still feels like a position of need, 2 years after drafting crabtree
Good answers ...
… thanks buddy. I was especially interested in the difference between the Moss/Fitz type and the Rice/Irvin type – I have never thought of those two groups as being so distinct before. Appreciate it – and agree on not trading Crabtree, fwiw. Desperately keen to see him do well in SF.
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yea, it kills me to see shaun hill tossing all those TDs to megatron
makes me wish the niners had seen the need to get a big WR sooner rather than later. kinda makes you think…would alex be such an epic failure if he’d have had a fitz or vincent jackson to throw to?
I beg to differ
I do not remember anyone – literally not one person – here on NN or anywhere else suggest Crabtree was a #2 receiver, or anything other than a megastar in the making. The feeling was, once he dropped to 10, we couldn’t not take him.
You heard it hear first …. Upon Further Review – Michael Crabtree Not an Elite Prospect. I put up plenty of warnings about his upside.
lol
Check the comment. Almost everyone disagreed with you
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
Yes, I remember
I usually don’t post it when Crabtree is brought up but London had to proclaim “no one” had doubts.
Despite all that was written I still don’t think the 49ers should have drafted Crabtree, wrong pick at the wrong time. Think his biggest problem last season was the 49ers and the QB situation killing his enthusiasm for the game. Shouldn’t be an excuse for a Top 10 pick but his style of play and personality don’t match with what the 49ers are asking from him. They give him a low volume of passes and ask him to be loud personality on the team, when he’s more suited for a high volume of passes and letting someone else be the vocal leader.
Almost everyone thought Crabtree at #10 was a no-brainer
Even the coaching staff and the GM.
Your entitled to your opinion, and you may eventually be proven right but I think at this point it’s a little too early to tell.
Green at #7 isn’t a bad pick IMO. Just not a pressing need.
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Nope, fair play to you my friend ...
… I didn’t remember anyone stating that view but state it you did, and there’s the proof. Time will tell whether you are proved correct – and I have no hard and fast opinion on that matter – but I didn’t recall anyone setting out the contrary view that Crabtree might not be the new Michael Irvin and yet there you were. I should read more Fanposts.
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Hey Bignerd that was a damn accurate write up on Crabtree.
I didn’t join NN until 2010 and never read you’re review until a few minutes ago, but I gotta say you nailed it! Do you happen to pick stocks in the market?
Speculation
He includes some pertinent comments, but it also includes a lot of speculation about Crabtree’s work ethic based on his opinion but no real factual support at that point. The article discusses how his work ethic was not his strength coming out of college. I suppose people can make an assumption based on his missed time in the 2010 preseason but again it’d be speculation.
by David Fucillo on Feb 24, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
I don't see him falling.
It would be very shocking if Cincy passed on Green. They need a playmaker badly. The only way they would is if they’re able to trade Palmer before the draft and take a QB.
I wrote up a piece on this over at BR relative to this topic too. If anyone wants to go check it out, here is the link:
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It scares me to even see a BR link.
I’m shocked you write over there.
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by mikeinsp on Feb 23, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They are changing things to be more user friendly. I think people are going to start changing their stance on BR.
The hired a new CEO (Brian Grey) there last July and since, he’s been doing some good things to make the site better. He’s worked for some top notch companies like Nike, CBS, Yahoo, Major League Baseball etc…
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In other words, the quality stuff is going to be easier to access and not have to filter through so much of the subpar posts.
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Well I clicked on the link
Didn’t read it because it’s probably the same thing here. But I did vote on the poll. I said yes.
Then I saw a link to a full 49ers mock draft and i read that, i saw PP’s name and i was excited, then i saw locker and got sad. Then it said i had to wait 15 seconds to keep viewing it…
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by imjuliooo89 on Feb 23, 2011 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Green sceanrios
1. (both Peterson and Miller gone) Take him. No brainer.
2. (Miller available, PP gone) It would be tough, but I’d go Miller.
3. (PP available, Miller gone) Get PP.
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take amukamara at 7 he is a young talent i wouldnt care if AJ green is available we already have good recievers that can run
Amukamara is not
worth a #7 pick, IMO.
He’ll be a good starter, not a lock down CB.
If Miller is there, or Jordan, I’d take them over PA.
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!!!!!!!h’ll yeah!!!!!!!!!! you take him.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Feb 23, 2011 9:34 PM PST reply actions
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