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Official NFL Draft Thread: Mock Draft Included [NEW]
by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2011 7:19 PM PST
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PrintSo, this is the second mock draft that I will have done since the end of the season for the 49ers. However, now the actual draft order is set.
This time around, I wanted to do the first two rounds which is a bit more strategic. For those who have never done a mock draft, it is not the easiest thing to do. Particularly when you start putting together the seven round versions. Not sure I will get around to doing that this year.
Last year we held a couple community mock drafts where teams were assigned to different user to play GM for a day for those teams. The plans are to roll those out at some point again. So keep an eye out if you are interested. It will be coming soon.
In any case, here is my mock draft 2.0 which will, as mentioned above, be the first two rounds. The second one will probably be a three round (3.0)... the next four round (4.0), and so forth.
So here it is...
Round 1
1. NICK FAIRLEY | AUBURN | DT | PANTHERS
2. ROBERT QUINN | UNC | DE/ OLB | BRONCOS
3. DA'QUAN BOWERS | CLEMSON | DE/ OLB | BILLS
4. A.J. GREEN | GEORGIA | WR | BENGALS
5. VON MILLER | TEXAS A&M | OLB | CARDINALS
6. CAMERON JORDAN | CALIFORNIA | 34DE | BROWNS
7. PATRICK PETERSON | LSU | CB | 49ERS
8. BLAINE GABBERT | MIZZOU | QB | TITANS
9. PRINCE AMUKAMARA | NEBRASKA | CB | COWBOYS
10. STEFEN WISNEIWSKI | PENN STATE | C | REDSKINS
11. STEPHEN PAEA | OREGON STATE | DT | TEXANS
12. CAM NEWTON | AUBURN | QB | VIKINGS
13. AKEEM AYERS | UCLA | LB | LIONS
14. JULIO JONES | ALABAMA | WR | RAMS
15. MARK INGRAM | ALABAMA | RB | DOLPHINS
16. LEONARD HANKERSON | MIAMI | WR | JAGUARS
17. ALDON SMITH | MIZZOU | 34OLB | PATRIOTS
18. DEANDRE MCDANIEL | CLEMSON | S | CHARGERS
19. JIMMY SMITH | COLORADO | CB | GIANTS
20. ANTHONY CASTONZO | BOSTON COLLEGE | OT | BUCS
21. MARTEZ WILSON | ILLINOIS | SILB | CHIEFS
22. MIKEL LESHOURE | ILLINOIS | RB | COLTS
23. JASON PINKSTON | PITTSBURGH | G | EAGLES
24. DEMARCO MURRAY | OKLAHOMA | RB | SAINTS
25. RYAN MALLETT | ARKANSAS | QB | SEAHAWKS
26. J.J. WATT | WISCONSIN | 34DE | RAVENS
27. D.J. WILLIAMS | ARKANSAS | TE | FALCONS
28. CAMERON HEYWARD | OHIO STATE | DE | PATRIOTS
29. DERREK SHERROD | MISSISSIPPI STATE | OT | BEARS
30. RYAN KERRIGAN | PURDUE | 34OLB | JETS
31. MARCELL DAREUS | ALABAMA | 34DE | STEELERS
32. ADRIAN CLAYBORN | IOWA | 34DE | PACKERS
Round 2
33. RODNEY HUDSON | FLORIDA STATE | G | PATRIOTS
34. BRANDON HARRIS | MIAMI | CB | BILLS
35. JAKE KIRKPATRICK | TCU | C | BENGALS
36. RAHIM MOORE | UCLA | S | BRONCOS
37. TORREY SMITH | MARYLAND | WR | BROWNS
38. JAKE LOCKER | WASHINGTON | QB | CARDINALS
39. GREG JONES | MICHIGAN STATE | ILB | TITANS
40. NATE SOLDER | COLORADO | OT | COWBOYS
41. RYAN WILLIAMS | VIRGINIA TECH | RB | REDSKINS
42. BRANDON BURTON | UTAH | CB | TEXANS
43. COREY LIUGET | ILLINOIS | 43DT | VIKINGS
44. MARCUS CANNON | TCU | OT | LIONS
45. TITUS YOUNG | BOISE STATE | WR | 49ERS
46. KYLE RUDOLPH | NOTRE DAME | TE | BRONCOS
47. JARVIS JENKINS | CLEMSON | DT | RAMS
48. COLIN KAEPERNICK | NEVADA | QB | RAIDERS
49. GABE CARIMI | WISCONSIN | OT | JAGUARS
50. JONATHAN BALDWIN | PITTSBURGH | WR | CHARGERS
51. CHRISTIAN BALLARD | IOWA | DE | BUCS
52. CURTIS BROWN | TEXAS | CB | GIANTS
53. MIKE POUNCEY | FLORIDA | G | COLTS
54. DRAKE NEVIS | LSU | DT | EAGLES
55. VINCENT BROWN | SAN DIEGO STATE | WR | CHIEFS
56. MASON FOSTER | WASHINGTON | OLB | SAINTS
57. JOHN MOFFITT | WISCONSIN | G | SEAHAWKS
58. AHMAD BLACK | FLORIDA | FS | RAVENS
59. ROBERT SANDS | WEST VIRGINIA | S | FALCONS
60. TANDON DOSS | INDIANA | WR | PATRIOTS
61. ALLEN BAILEY | MIAMI | 34DE | CHARGERS
62. SAM ACHO | TEXAS | 43DE | BEARS
63. JEREMY KERLEY | TCU | WR | BUCS
64. BROOKS REED | ARIZONA | 34OLB | PACKERS
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I like it
But I had to give it a B. I don’t like the selection of a WR in the 2nd.
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unless it is torrey smith
but I am really with you.
I would rather have olb or qb. probably a qb though.
kaepernick/mallet/ponder not in that order though.
I also think allen baily would make a good 34 olb.
either way there should be a good talent in the second round at olb or qb.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2011 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
Agree give it a B. Love Peterson with #7 -- gotta get a OLB, DE, or QB next.
Trade down a bit and get Kupaerknik or back into the third and go after best available OLB, Def back or QB….
had to give it a C
I would fall over myself IF we get Peterson @ 7….i just don’t see if he’s that much of a CAN’T MISS GUY how he could fall to 7….plus a WR in the 2nd when we have much more pressing needs in other areas I would be kinda upset….nothin wrong w/ it but 2nd rounders are as important as 1st rounders and we could shore up the OL, DL, OLB w/ a stud in the 2nd..
Althought I think Titus Young could be a gem if we picked him..
our team just doesn’t have the luxury to draft by best available or add a new toy for our defense..the holes in our team is just too big
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
It'd be a luxury pick, and definitely not the best player available, IMHO
Young’s deep speed is enticing, as is his return ability. But reports out of Mobile (Sr. Bowl) are that his hands are too inconsistent for him to be a 2nd-rounder. Heck, we already have a WR with great deep speed, return ability, and inconsistent hands—his name is Ted Ginn Jr. The 2nd-rounder basically has to be one of CB, DE/OLB, or QB, as far as I’m concerned. I’d much rather have Ponder with our 2nd-rounder.
Semi-serious hopeful 49ers mock: 1-Petersen (CB) 2-Aldon Smith (3-4OLB) 3-Ponder (QB) 4A-P. Taylor (NT) 4B-Fua (NT/DE) 5-Marecic (FB) 6-Henery (K/P) 7a-Burney (CB/ST) 7b-Noel Devine (KR/PR/COPrb)
Reports out of mobile said the opposite
and that he was very sure-handed. I covered the practices and followed very closely so I have no idea where or who you were hearing that from.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Actually reports about Young said that his hands are really inconsistent.
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I have all the notes... I just looked through them and don't see that at all.
Not to mention re-watched the North Practices recently and Charles Davis and Mayock both were saying different. He missed one pass that he had to dive for. If you consider that not sure-handed, then a guy has to have better hands than Jerry Rice to be sure-handed.
You do remember his catch against Nevada don’t ya? And all the other passes he caught that weren’t dropped?
He didn’t have 71 catches and 9 TD’s ‘cause he’s dropping stuff left and right.
The guy has 204 career receptions. 25 TD’s… doesn’t sound like he doesn’t have good hands to me.
http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Brandon+Burton/Titus+Young
All I have seen is catches like that throughout his career…AND the Senior Bowl practices.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPM5ttLp_Qg
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Which notes are you reading?
Because everywhere that I read it said that he was inconsistent.
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Good hands
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/25/senior.bowl.tuesday/index.html
The link below is probably the best one. It is a little mixed but is quoting and linking to a BUNCH of people on Titus Young. To me, the in depth ones, seem to say he missed a lot of catchable balls.
http://www.obnug.com/2011/1/28/1961154/senior-bowl-practice-reports-on-titus-young-and-austin-pettis
I should add
First link was one saying he had good hands but only one source.
The bottom one, which was quoting a bunch of sources had some saying he had good hands, but seems like most said he had inconsistent hands dropping a lot of catchable balls.
ESPN Insider stuff
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I say yes
I love reading as much as I possibly can about my sports. Plus getting ESPN the magazine is pretty nice. 70 bucks for two years is a pretty solid deal
"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart
It's worth it just for the Magazine
The Rumor part stinks, but there are a LOT of great Insider articles.
Manraj, If you can do it, I recommend it.
it should be free.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 10, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
Here's what I see on Titus as far as his hands on ESPN Insider
He received a 3 (Average) as far as Ball Skills. It says:
“Didn’t see any drops during film evaluation but there are some concerns here. Body catches too many passes. Can take eyes off the ball and turn upfield before securing it.”
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 14, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Christian Squander?
No thanks… and that is waaaayyyyyyyy too high to even consider him. He throws 2 TD’s, doesn’t do that well in the practices leading up and all of the sudden he is worth a 2nd??? That’s nonsense.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
That's fair enough.
I understand the reasons why people don’t think Ponder has what it takes (coughARMSTRENGTHcough) to be an NFL QB. I happen to disagree with them, which is why I don’t think a 2nd would be too high for him.
Doug Farrar‘s and http://Draftcountdown.com ’s scouting reports have been influential in forming my opinion of him. I’d be interested to hear what your particular concerns with him are.
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I'm with Manraj, if we end up with Peterson and Young I would give it a B
To me its that high because of the selection of Peterson. Hell I like Titus Youngas a player, I’m in L.A and although its not in my market or conference of choice I got to see alot of Boise State and I really like him. If we didnt have other needs he would be a steal and a really good piece to build around but honestly I rank WR at the bottom of the list of needs that the team has. I really like our WR core and with the right coaching they could all go to the next level.
What surprises me a bit is you having the team pass up on Sam Acho, I know Drew K has him as a 4-3 DE, I really think that he could stand up and be a 3-4 OLB and in the 2nd round he can be a bit of a steal
I'd rather have OLB Brooks Reed over Titus Young.
But I wouldn’t be total displeased with a WR in the 2nd, though we probably should use it to cover a more dire need.
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And Harbamania. And the San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series season.
by Hoopers Judge on Feb 8, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
I can understand favoring Reed over Acho, Acho will probably be more suited in a 4-3 but I think he has the skills to be a 3-4
I just think WR is a position that can be covered in the later part of the draft or through free agency and especially when Corner, Pass Rusher and QB are bigger needs
by Lok on Feb 8, 2011 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
I think pick 45 is a bit high for Reed
I like him in the 3rd though.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 8, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
It could be.
But with OLB being a huge need (the biggest if Manny leaves) we may need to reach for a good prospect.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
And Harbamania. And the San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series season.
by Hoopers Judge on Feb 8, 2011 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
even if Manny does leave
QB would still be our biggest need.
so if were going to ignore value and just draft for need as early as the 2nd round, we might as well take a quarterback there.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I'm assuming that we don't draft a serious QBOTF this year.
So many better 1st round prospects possibly coming out in 2012 that we should probably wait until the 4th round before looking at QBs this year.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
And Harbamania. And the San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series season.
by Hoopers Judge on Feb 9, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
okay, i'm on board with that plan.
but i still don’t think you can reach that much in round 2, just to fill a need.
pretty much every team in every draft sees players fall to the 2nd round that they had a 1st round grade on, so it would be foolish to take a 3rd round prospect just because you have a position of need.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
while there is not peyton mannings this year
there are plenty of joe montanas, tom bradys, and colt mccoys this year. all it means is that niners will draft a qb in the second round.
remember it was just one year ago that everyone though jake locker was to be number one pick.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 10, 2011 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Would depend on a few things
LIke if we were to get Devlin in the 3rd (4th?) and if we got an OLB and some other pieces. Two picks do not a draft make.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 8, 2011 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
I read that the browns are swithing to a 43, is that correct?
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I'd have to give it a B+...
Mainly because Patrick Peterson is the best thing to come out of college this year. He’s a monster. I would honestly prefer to take Kaepernick in the 2nd. I really do think with his arms strength and size, that in one year he will develop into a great QB.
count me in.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
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If Titus is there you have to take him. Especially if you hate not drafting D Jackson.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
Agree
Peterson is a slam dunk. Harbaugh has been given Carte Blanche to choose WCO QB(s); he also needs WCO WRs. Young may just be the requisite speed receiver for the WCO replacing Ginn’s stone hands and alligator arms.
Both guys impact players – Grade A
Already have Ginn on the team
Young’s who slot is going to depend on his speed. I don’t like the pick.
Hed
He’s an instant upgrade for the whole offense. Sure handed did stretcher will make BS and the running game better. His 40 time is key.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
would you be mad?
1st pick patrick peterson
2nd pick jimmy smith
3rd pick ras-dawling
you would have starter and nickle db plus maybe a safety in dawling?
probably not going to happen but just thinking
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this would make the niners a super bowl contender
1st round patrick peterson
2nd round colin kaepernick
3rd round ras dowling
3rd round pick two allen bailey- bailey will play olb -traded this pick for spencer
4th tandon doss wr
4th lawrence guy de/dt
5th brando fusco Center
6th derrick locke
6th henry hynoski fb
7th charles clay rb
7th will hill safety
sign nnamdi and tamba hail.
dowling can compete at safety spot with reggie.mays/goldson
and draft qb with the comp pick.
with that draft and those free agents this would be a physical and good team all the way around.
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Lets not forget to rec this and get it to the top guys.
Thanks.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
So do you plan on drafting a QB later in the draft?
Or wait a year for the QBOTF?
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Ok giving it a shot
Free Agency and Draft moves
FA: OLB Tamba Hali, S Eric Weddle, NT Paul Soliai, pick back up G/C David Baas,QB Alex Smith, DE Ray McDonald (?), OLB Manny Lawson, QB Troy Smith(?)
Trade #7 for #11 to Texans so they can get Von Miller, We get their 3rd rounder (73) and a 4th next year
Rd 1 Pick # 11 – CB Jimmy Smith – He’s not Peterson, he’ not Amakamura but he’s darn good
Rd 2 Pick # 45 DT/DE Christian Ballard – A good prospect at DE position.
Rd 3 Pick # 73 QB Pat Devlin or Colin Kaepernick – We have a guy for Jimmy Hard Balls to work with to be our QBOTF
Rd 3 Pick # 76 OLB Brooks Reed – A big motor guy. Good Pass Rusher
Rd 4 Pick # 107 OC Kris O’Dowd – A good OC that could play a bit of guard while learning the ropes under Heittmann and Baas
Rd 4 Pick # 114 WR Greg Little – A big boy with bigh hands to feature on the line with Crabs, Ginn and KW
Rd 5 Pick # 138 RB Derrick Locke – We have our COP back
Rd 6 Pick # 169 K Alex Henery – Replacement/Heir for Nedney
Rd 6 Pick # 185 OLB Wayne Daniels – another OLB with a good motor
Rd 7 Pick # 199 FB Shaun Chapas – Could be a good WCO FB
Rd 7 Pick # 200 WR Lester Jean – Another big boy with some speed.
Rd 7 (Compensatory) CB Jason Teague or Cortez Allen – Tall yet fast CBs that could end up at either CB or S position
Kaepernick/Devlin would go under big time tutelage by Harbaugh and Greg Little would have a chance to try out for the #2 position. I wouldn’t be adverse to thinking about trading some of our WR’s (like Morgan) for picks based on how well the rookie and others do. Trade or release Carr, Be ready to put Lester and Teague/Allen on PS. Byham could start at FB with Chapas learning the ropes. Trade Norris if you can. RJF starting at DE and Soliai at NT. Try putting in Reed in a few games give him some playing time.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 8, 2011 8:49 PM PST reply actions
P.S.
Thanks Hooper for the Texans trade idea. As noted in the last thread it doesn’t seem to work out for the #2 you mentioned but a 3 this year and a 4 next would work nicely.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 8, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
The Texans supposedly really love Miller.
I think we can wrestle away their 2nd round pick if we throw in one or more of our mid-round picks, like both 4’s maybe. Then we can get a CB, QB, and a DT or OLB in the first 2 rounds. We’d be set.
I’d think the Texans would have to take that deal because we could easily take Miller at our #7 if they refuse. They most know we have a major hole at pass-rusher and couldn’t possibly think we wouldn’t take him.
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by Hoopers Judge on Feb 8, 2011 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
and a DT
Meant to say NT.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
And Harbamania. And the San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series season.
by Hoopers Judge on Feb 8, 2011 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
I like brooks reed but you think he is there in the third round? I hope so, he would be a good pick
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
very good sir.
would LOVE that!
with the 7th overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft. The San Francisco 49ers select.......
Ahmad Black
Whats the opinion on him, besides the obvious part of his size.
I remember
Mike Mayock liking him a lot.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 8, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah i saw that
but it seems like he is the only one
He could be a real playmaker
He has a great nose for the ball and is very quick. I’m curious about his top end speed. He is very small but whatever at FS.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
I want Matt Barkley or any top rated QB in next years draft.
Kellen Moore is awesome
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I'm crossing my fingers that Landry Jones declares early next year.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
crossing my fingers that Matt Barkley declares.
Kellen Moore is awesome
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Have you seen Jones play at all?
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
A little bit.
Not as much as I would like too. But a little bit I see Matt a lot more though.
Kellen Moore is awesome
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Take some time on watching Jones next year... check out some feeds on youtube
I think you will be very impressed. He studied behind Bradford and with the tangibles he has, he could pan out to be better…
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Honestly the top 4 QBs in the NFL draft next year could become really really good.
I’m watching colorado vs Oklahoma they are throwing a lot of short quick passes . Maybe thats because Colorado has a really good secondary.
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Watch these two also... vs. Florida State and Texas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zzxKswpRFY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjkXDtereI4
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
You also get to see a bit of Christian Squander on there too
doing what he does best… haha
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
he has not looked the best.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2011 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Bilal Powell
about 6’0 210, with some good strength. I think he is a sleeper RB in this draft.
Well done
I would be happy with Von Miller, Jordan, or Peterson, especially Peterson, with #7. Depending on what Harbaugh, Fanzio, and Balkke plan with the NT and free agency, which will happen after the draft, I might prefer a NT in the second round. I hope we are very active in the free agent market. What FA needs remain after the draft will be clear by the time the CBA is signed.
Sorry but in todays NFL, a WR in the WCO needs more speed than J Rice, Crabtree doesn’t have it and Ginn is not an every down WR.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
what about vernon davis?
I do not think short slant routes need tons of speed.
wide out first and foremost needs to catch the ball hopefully consistently with his hands not his body and hold onto the ball/no fubles.
crabtree seems to have that down.
what crabtree has not developed was a good relationship with his qb.
To me that is the first and single most important aspect crabtree needs to improve on.
example would be how walker flourished while troy smith was qb vs. alex qb.
alex has better relationship and played longer with vd and morgan then crabtree and it showed.
you can cite alex bad throws or offense scheme or crabtree may have bad work ethic but crabtree just needs to get close with his qb and he will be 1,000 yard plus wideout.
it will happen and I think harbaugh can understand this more then anyone else with his experience and the fact that harbaugh has lived it, played it, and now coached it.
honestly I do want another speedy wideout but I do not think this is the draft for it and honestly crabtree, vernon and walker can put up some crazy receiving yardage numbers.
vernon 1,500
crabs 1,200
walker 850
that would be some good receiving yards right there and all are capable of that.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2011 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
I liked the 1st pick, but i had to give it a C
If Peterson fell to us I’d be ecstatic, but I dont think need a WR to be picked up with the 2nd round pick. We either need a DE/OLB or QB.
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Anyone see Matt Maiocco's new mock? Pretty crazy stuff
Just some of the crazy pick
1. Carolina: QB- Cam Newton
10. Washington: QB- Jake Locker
12. Minnesota: CB- Jimmy Smith
13. Detroit: CB- Prince Amukamara
15. Miami: DT- Phil Taylor
No way Smith goes before Amukamara. And, even Carolina isn’t dumb enough to take Newton #1. Phil Taylor is projected 3-4th round pick and Jake Locker isn’t going top 10. I like Matty M, but i don’t know what he is thinking here. Any thoughts?
Mila "Sweet Lips" Kunis, as stated by Scarlett Johansson. I couldn't agree more. Reverse would be true too!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 9, 2011 12:02 AM PST reply actions
Taylor is rated all across the board. I’ve seen mocks that have him go in the mid 1st and mocks that have him go in the 4th and everywhere in between.
2nd/ 3rd Rounder probably
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
whats so crazy?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2011 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
Ratings aren't static...
Not sure about Newton and Locker, both would be on my “Let somebody else make that mistake” board… but I can see both of those teams making big draft mistakes.
Both Smith and Taylor have been rocketing up draft boards.. and Prince is way overrated for a guy who doesn’t have the sound technique to consistently prevent separation or the speed to close the gap afterwards. He’s not even the best CB on his own team according to some WR’s at Nebraska and in the Big 12.
You act like once an estimate of a players value is made that it is set in stone and is the true worth of the player. That’s not true.
Kaepernick to the Raiders
Ugggggggh. I really don’t want to root against an all-around great kid, who made my school relevant and watchable again. But it just makes TOO much sense. A big kid with speed and a huge arm; is there any doubt Al Davis let’s him slip through his cold, dead fingers?
The day Al Davis dies, or is interred in the earth because he may actually be dead already, is the day I might consider not actively rooting against the Raiders. They’ve had some likable players over the years, but between him and the fans it’s really hard for me to wish anyone on that team to succeed.
by JSing on Feb 9, 2011 2:56 AM PST via mobile reply actions
You assume too much.
Al Davis died in 1992.
Then again in ’96, ’98, ’02, ’03, ’05, ’05, ’08, and ’10.
Problem is there is no grave that won’t spit him back up.
Why not Georgia DE/OLB Justin Houston in the 2nd round?
I’ve heard people talking him up in the 1st! He should make a splash at the combine, so I’m sure he’ll be on your list soon…
Semi-serious hopeful 49ers mock: 1-Petersen (CB) 2-Aldon Smith (3-4OLB) 3-Ponder (QB) 4A-P. Taylor (NT) 4B-Fua (NT/DE) 5-Marecic (FB) 6-Henery (K/P) 7a-Burney (CB/ST) 7b-Noel Devine (KR/PR/COPrb)
My 1st Round Mock Draft 1.0
1 PANTHERS NICK FAIRLEY AUBURN DT
2 BRONCOS PATRICK PETERSON LSU CB
3 BILLS VON MILLER TEXASA&M OLB
4 BENGALS A.J. GREEN GEORGIA WR
5 CARDINALS BLAINE GABBERT MIZZOU QB
6 BROWNS ROBERT QUINN UNC DE/OLB
7 49ERS JIMMY SMITH COLORADO CB
8 TITANS DA’QUAN BOWERS CLEMSON 43DE
9 COWBOYS MARK INGRAM ALABAMA RB
10 REDSKINS JULIO JONES ALABAMA WR
11 TEXANS MARCELL DAREUS ALABAMA 43DT
12 VIKINGS ALDON SMITH MIZZOU 34OLB
13 LIONS PRINCE AMUKAMARA NEBRASKA CB
14 RAMS AKEEM AYERS UCLA LB
15 DOLPHINS CAM NEWTON AUBURN QB
16 JAGUARS JIMMY SMITH COLORADO CB
17 PATRIOTS MIKEL LESHOURE ILLINOIS RB
18 CHARGERS JUSTIN HOUSTON GEORGIA DE/OLB
19 GIANTS MARTEZ WILSON ILLINOIS SILB
20 BUCS JASON PINKSTON PITTSBURGH G
21 CHIEFS CAMERON JORDAN CALIFORNIA 34DE
22 COLTS TYRON SMITH USC OT
23 EAGLES J.J. WATT WISCONSIN 34DE
24 SAINTS STEPHEN PAEA OREGONSTATE DT
25 SEAHAWKS JAKE LOCKER WASHINGTON QB
26 RAVENS GABE CARIMI WISCONSIN OT
27 FALCONS RYAN KERRIGAN PURDUE 34OLB
28 PATRIOTS DERREK SHERROD MISS ST OT
29 BEARS ANTHONY CASTONZO BOSTONCOLLEGE OT
30 JETS ADRIAN CLAYBORN IOWA 34DE
31 STEELERS BRANDON HARRIS MIAMI CB
32 PACKERS DANNY WATKINS BAYLOR G
Sorry for the formatting.
Semi-serious hopeful 49ers mock: 1-Petersen (CB) 2-Aldon Smith (3-4OLB) 3-Ponder (QB) 4A-P. Taylor (NT) 4B-Fua (NT/DE) 5-Marecic (FB) 6-Henery (K/P) 7a-Burney (CB/ST) 7b-Noel Devine (KR/PR/COPrb)
Your mock is totally screwed
You have Jimmy Smith being drafted twice, Niners and Jags.
I'll have to repost it once I finish the 2nd round
feel free to ignore it
(I do feel like Smith is in play at #7, though).
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Could be....
Questions are starting to arise about Amukamara being top 10 worthy. That doesn’t automatically make the next best corner a top 10 guy though. I’m not sure I’d make the play at any corner other than Peterson in the top 10. If he’s gone, you start looking at BPA or hope to trade down a bit.
by 9thevolution on Feb 9, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Jimmy Smith at 7? Uhhh.... nevermind. No comment.
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There has been talk he’s better than Peterson.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
By who? Peter King? Kawakami? McShay?
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just read it today in the link of todays nuggets.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
I think it is borderline insanity to say that he is better than Peterson.
And the ceiling on Smith is definitely lower than Peterson’s. I like Smith but that’s just too high. Besides, don’t we already have enough Smith’s? Haha
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I'm a big supporter of Smith...
But even I don’t really like him at #7 without knowing specifically what schemes we are going to be running under Fangio.
He’s hands down the best press corner in the draft. He can jam guys at the line and has the speed to run with them down the field, and the size to prevent them from just going up over his head on a jump ball.
That being said.. he has some issues with zone coverage.. it’s almost like he isn’t sure at what point to turn and run, and doesn’t look very smooth doing it.
He’s also not a guy you are going to count on much for run support. A shifty COP back he can take on no problem.. but you get a guy like Frank Gore coming at him and the best he is going to do is hop on his back and slow him down for 5 yards until somebody else gets there. He’s not very aggressive at the point of attack either.
If your defense requires a press corner and a press corner only.. a guy to stick out on an island for 60 minutes… this guy is the best CB in the draft for your scheme.
For all around corners though… being the complete package… Peterson is head and shoulders above him.. .and Brandon Harris as well.
Sounds like Haden...
In another draft he could go top 10. But not with Peterson and Amukamara ahead of him. I think his ceiling in this draft is around 12
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
I think Jimmy Smith's much more likely to go at #7 than ANY center is to go at #10.
Wis’d have to be an all-time great Center prospect, and I haven’t heard any of that kind of buzz about him.
Semi-serious hopeful 49ers mock: 1-Petersen (CB) 2-Aldon Smith (3-4OLB) 3-Ponder (QB) 4A-P. Taylor (NT) 4B-Fua (NT/DE) 5-Marecic (FB) 6-Henery (K/P) 7a-Burney (CB/ST) 7b-Noel Devine (KR/PR/COPrb)
Not sure why you haven't.
Wisniewski is the best prospect at that position since Nick Mangold and Maurkice Pouncey… he’s probably going to be better than those guys. And we all know how Shanahan loves to build those offensive lines to work the same as a bulldozer would.
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Still, and even with a rookie salary cap...
Centers are routinely picked up in the mid-round range. Heck, Jeff Saturday was a multiple-year all pro and he was undrafted. Any center at #10 is a reach.
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Teams reach in every singe draft.
It’s not impossible.
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I guess that's the problem with mock drafts:
It’s not clear whether you’re predicting based on what a team should do or what they will do. Projecting a reach seems like a bad idea unless you’re basing your pick on circulated and semi-logical reports.
So I’ll say this: your reasoning for the Redskins picking a lineman is sound—Shanahan likes quick linemen and he likes to build through the draft. Your reasoning for the Redskins picking a lineman at #10 is not sound…because Dan Snyder loves to make a splash (a la Jerry Jones) on draft day (usually by picking up a veteran by trading a draft pick).
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I agree
To add, Center is just crazy at 10.
Washington has holes EVERYWHERE. They won’t grab Center to fill a need, since their roster looks like swiss cheese. They could afford to grab BPA and still fill a hole.
Based on Drew’s draft, I think they would grab Cam Newton or Julio Jones before a Center. Or even Ayers.
Donovan McNabb will somehow probably be mixed in to draft day stuff.
I’m almost certain of it.
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You're probably right about that.
That “contract extension” was pure Snyder. He seems to think that it’s important to make sure that people know much money he has. Funny thing is that makes it very clear each time that he has no idea what to do with it.
The ironic thing is that one of the only times he actually did the right thing with his #1 draft pick (i.e. holding onto it and actually selecting someone!), he picked Orakpo—a good move!
McNabb is probably gone, which means that a QB is very much in play at #10—I just can’t figure out who it would be.
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I actually think that McNabb will be released on march 4th.
Instead of given that contract extension.
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He will be traded I think.
But I don’t think his extension kicks in until Day one of the Season. So technically they have until the season starts and can cut him first day. They just have to hope the CBA is done on time. Otherwise the CBA could be don,e and viola first day of the season.
Do you know how expensive his contract is.
No way anyone is going to pick it up.
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Restructure
I don’t think anyone commits to that contract unless the Redskins throw in some money or he renegotiates. Redskins have a choice, they can pay a part of his contract if they want draft picks in return for him, or they can cut him and their losses.
I’m not sure if McNabb would be willing to renegotiate. I’m sure he would if he was assured of a trade. I’d rather do that than be thrown out on my rear.
I don't know when he gets that major bonus of his.
Buts its a huge bonus.
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Thats a lot
Does all $10mil go on this years cap?
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Bonuses are usually...
Prorated over the life of the contract even though it’s a one time payment.
So if you give him 4 years, it’s 2.5 million each year against his cap cost.
Problem is.. if he only plays one year before he retires or is cut.. then the remainder of the 3 years of bonus immediately crashes down on the cap.. so year two you can see 7.5 million of dead money on your cap.
But nobody knows if it will still work this way in the new CBA. There is talk of a hard salary floor and changes to the way teams can manipulate the cap with bonuses.
I think he will likely come to AZ...
His main place of residency is there… that’s probably his most desired destination.
NFCW is weak, Cards have arguably the best WR in the NFL. Beanie if he stays healthy is pretty darn good, and depending on what they do in the offseason have some pretty solid players on D.
McNabb may be looking at the NFCW licking his chops.
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He has had a residence there for a while
AZ has never wanted him. Don’t think anything has changed now. Maybe if he is cut, but they could have easily traded for him before Washington did, and never entered the picture from what we know. I’m sure the Eagles would have traded him for less than they got from the Redskins to get him out of the Division. That’s like us trading Montana when he was past his prime to the Seahawks instead of the Chiefs.
I don’t see him going to AZ. I know it’s logical, but it hasn’t happened yet and they have had opportunities. We have not once heard of AZ as a legitimate suitor for him.
AZ didn't want him because they had Kurt Warner.
1 year without a real QB will have them looking hard at veterans… which includes McNabb.
And, yes, we have heard it…. well maybe not you… But Jason LaCanfora reported it as a strong possibility on NFLN the other day. Between the Cards and Vikes basically is what he was saying. But Shanahan doesnt want him at all.
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last offseason is when the trade for mcnabb took place.
warner was going to retire and az. knew they were going to be without a seasoned starting qb except for the guy that they signed.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 10, 2011 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
LaCanfora probably said they are LOGICAL places
due to the need…but I doubt he said that AZ has been inquiring about McNabb. Unless he knows they asked for the trade, it’s all speculation. AZ was also the spot people picked when he was on the block last year and NOTHING was heard regarding AZ wanting him.
dude, no one is going to trade for mcnabb
once bitten twice shy.
why would they trade for him when they can get him as a free agent?
best they would get is kenwant balmer deal.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 10, 2011 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
pouncye, bass
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
no way first o-line is a g and no way first o-line is at pick 20
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 13, 2011 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
Why?
His best talents (penetration/pass rush) are wasted in a 3-4 defense, in which the DEs have to 2-gap and the LBs do most of the rushing.
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Yeah, well, LB's are not doing a good enough job right now
We need a better pass rush, and I liked what I saw from this guy in the BCS Championship Game.
Draft Nick Fairley
LB’s are not doing a good enough job right now
then we need better linebackers, or a better scheme. Drafting 4-3 DTs and shoving them into a 3-4 defense won’t solve the problem.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Yeah that makes sense
I just liked the guy and was frustrated with our lack of pass rush. Oh well, guess I’ll have to change my signature now.
Draft Nick Fairley
What were you expecting from Fairley?
Not getting on you. Just wondering. Were you expecting more a a Warren Sapp type player? Yeah he could be that type. But as has been noted that is not the type that Fairley is. He’s a 4-3 DT, not in any way a 3-4 NT and wouldn’t really work out as 3-4 DE though it is a possibility.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 13, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
That's actually a good point.
But I think he would be gone by the time we draft. Hmm…Smith on one end and Fairley on the other. Interesting. Wouldn’t an RJF/Franklin type middle be bad for that? Not saying that makes it a totally bad thing. Just saying more of a space eater would be needed in the middle, wouldn’t it? Hmm Vince is about the same size as Franklin isn’t he? (Wheels in the head turning LOL)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 13, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Another question for ya.
Can you explain Bo’s offense? I tried to look it up a bit and don’t find much on it. Find some on his defense but not his offense.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 13, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Power Run to set up the playaction, seems tme ot mentally slows down a defense with big sets and then gets chunk plays passing and running using multiple plays from similar sets.
Really exposes matchups well.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
Another WR?
Harbs plays 3 TE sets constantly and RB’s get a lot of passes in this offense, FB included.
VD – 1000 yards
Walker – 500 yards
Byham – 200 yards
Crabtree – 1000 yards (500 YAC)
Morgan – 600 yards ( 250 YAC)
Gore – 700 yards (rec)
That’s 4000 yards through the AIR, a full season. Even if you think those numbers are a little high, they don’t include the FB, 2nd RB, 3rd and 4th WR’s.
I don’t see any need, especially in the 2nd round for a WR. Lets not forget we FINALLY have an offensive coach…FINALLY!!
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
Harbaughs offense will be tweaked qyite a bit.
He’s not running Schembeclers offense here.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
I was wondering what he meant by that, too.
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He isn't going to have his offensive guy from Stanford.
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Just looking at the individuals
I don’t see Byham getting 200 yards, certainly not receiving. Byham is an HBack as much as a TE. Chris Cooley would be a reasonable comparison. To a very small degree I’d not Brent Jones. The WCO if effectively handled can be a big time slice and dice offense where you die a slow death by paper-cuts as much as a slicing off of the head.
Otherwise I completely agree with you.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 13, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
kaerpernick appears to be having a live chat at the link below on thursday
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Where did you get this mock draft?
Redskins taking a center with the #10 pick? It’d be a gift if Peterson fell to us at 7 but we definitely don’t need to go WR with our second round pick. Way too many other needs
2-round mock draft (way too early edition)
Semi-serious hopeful 49ers mock: 1-Petersen (CB) 2-Aldon Smith (3-4OLB) 3-Ponder (QB) 4A-P. Taylor (NT) 4B-Fua (NT/DE) 5-Marecic (FB) 6-Henery (K/P) 7a-Burney (CB/ST) 7b-Noel Devine (KR/PR/COPrb)
Not a Ponder fan?
That top 6 is basically my worst case scenario.
Semi-serious hopeful 49ers mock: 1-Petersen (CB) 2-Aldon Smith (3-4OLB) 3-Ponder (QB) 4A-P. Taylor (NT) 4B-Fua (NT/DE) 5-Marecic (FB) 6-Henery (K/P) 7a-Burney (CB/ST) 7b-Noel Devine (KR/PR/COPrb)
Really hard to read
I think the Ram’s would be pissed though if Jones went and they ended up with Young in the 2nd instead of Jones in the first.
My curiousity on their first round pick…Don’t they run a 4-3 defense? So wouldn’t Ayers as OLB not really work much? Maybe Brandon Harris instead?
the Lions also run a 4-3, and several people are projecting them to take Ayers.
so i guess a lot of people think he could play in a 4-3.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
4-3 as DE?
It didn’t even cross my mind when I read that he was LB. LOL.
Dude is only 255 pounds though. Seems a little light for a 4-3 DE. Here is what Kiper said about him.
Mel Kiper ranks him 16th and writes, “His exceptional athleticism makes him so versatile. Ideal every-down 3-4 OLB who can rush and cover. Ayers should test well at the combine.”
No he is a 4-3 OLB
Ayers is good in coverage and raw in pass rushing. I think he would be good in either system but might bust in a 3-4.
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i'm pretty sure
people are projecting him as an OLB no matter which system he plays in.
unlike some of the pure edge rushers who are projected either as 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Sorry that it's hard to read, but I didn't want to use up too much real estate on the site
Maybe I’ll submit it to Drew K for inclusion in the next Official Draft Thread (though after a somewhat testy exchange, I’m not sure he’ll go for it).
As for Ayers, I think he’s a natural fit for them. They run a 4-3, but they went after Julian Peterson, who profiles similarly as an uber-athletic OLB.
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Nothing testy about it...
Send me what you got… just make sure it’s formatted pretty clear.
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is excel OK?
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yeah, it will work
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C due to Titus Young
We already have Ginn and Kyle Williams. You are saying that Titus Young is THAT much better that we should take him with 2nd round pick?
I think MAYBE a 3rd rounder, but even still, it’s just crazy. He isn’t THAT much better than Ginn or Williams who are similar players.
I’m not wild about Kaepernick in 2nd round, but even he would be a better pick than Young.
I actually kind of like Arizona’s draft the best. Miller and Locker in 2nd.
Pettis is better than Young IMO
and will still be better at the pro level.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Pettis is probably the more all around better WR
Young is the dynamic guy that can really hurt you. I don’t think either one goes in the 2nd round unless Young’s speed is just knock your doors off fast.
How about a Community NFL Draft Big Board after the combine?
We have 10-12 players to vote any given day, for 60 or so days?
B
I give it a B….. I would love to get peterson with 1st round pick that would be amazing. But Titus young is not a good pick for the 49ers. He is a great pick for somebody but does not adress the 49ers needs. They should try hard to get Jaabal sheard or Ryan Kerrigan that would adress both pass rusher needs and shutdown corner needs
by Dilon on Feb 9, 2011 4:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Plus that A could be as low as 92%.
Also, the grades should be weighted. Getting an A in the first is worth more than an A in the second, which is worth more than an A in the third, and so on. Not sure what the appropriate breakdown would be, perhaps something like [.4, .25, .15, .1, .06, .03, .01] or [.4, .3, .2, .06, .02, .01, .01]. It’s probably slightly different for each person, so it’s tough to determine exactly what an A in the first and a F in the second would average out to. It would probably also work easier to just take A=4, B=3, C=2, D=1, and F=0, with +/- being worked in to account for non-integer values, similar to a College GPA system.
As an exercise, suppose we were graded as follows:
Round 1: A, Round 2: C, Round 3: B, Round 4: A, Round 4 Pick 2: C, Round 5: D, Round 6: A, Round 6 Pick 2: B, Round 7: C, Round 7 Pick 2: B.
Then our overall grade, using weighting option two, would be: 3.3 = B+.
Assuming weighting option two, a first round A and a second round F gives an averaged grade of 1.6 = C-.
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I agree
1st round more important. If they only had two picks, a first round and 7th round. 1st round was an F because we took McElroy there, then in 7th we got a good guy and got a A. We wouldn’t just average them out. They would have to be weighted.
Yeah, I think it would be nice if we standardized grading,
so that everyone was on the same page. It would be useful for when someone like Drew K posts a mock draft, or for grading the actual draft results. It’d be awesome if we could standardize grading across all of SB Nations NFL fan-sites, but even just for Niners Nation would be good.
I’m thinking about trying to get a standard grade-weighting set adopted, though I am not sure how many other people would be interested in such a thing. Perhaps I should test the waters here, and if I get enough votes I can visit the other sites and see what’s up.
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Grading a player is subjective.
Hard to have a universal grading method.
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Not grading a player, grading a draft.
For example, some grade the Young pick as an A, while others grade it an F. That’s fine, I am not concerned with a standardized pick grading system, I am concerned with an overall draft grade, that is, taking the A for Peterson and that F for Young, and computing an overall draft grade according to some standard.
I hope that I have made myself clear, if not just ask and I will attempt to do a better job of explaining my idea. Also, be sure to read my first response to hudd07, as I went into much more detail there.
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Ahh ya that makes sense
Drafttek does something like that.
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Yeah, they seem to have a decent setup.
Mine would certainly be much less complex, relying in a simple sum of weighted scores. I think [.4, .3, .2, .06, .02, .01, .01] is a pretty good weighting set, though there would of course have to be a vote.
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seems complicated.
Because if you end up with a HOF in the 7th round shouldn’t you get more points than if you find a HOF in the 1st?
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Perhaps, but that would come up much later,
and would require a different grading scheme. Mine would be quite simple, just grade each pick how ever you see fit, then use the weighting set to calculate an overall draft grade. It’s main purpose would be to insure that any two people who gave every pick the exact same grade would come up with the exact same overall draft grade.
For example, at the start of this subthread, Dilon gave the draft a B, Hudd07 stated that an A and a F is a C, then you pointed out that an A and a F could be a B-. My idea is just to ensure that an A in the first and a F in the second always averages to the same overall draft grade.
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So this would be done right after the draft?
Not after the season or multiple seasons?
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Yes
I think after the draft, you just grade based on how they did, not weighting it. So if you got a Hall of Famer in 7th or 1st, it doesn’t matter, you still got a Hall of Famer. Or well actually, I guess I could see it your way, but would you care that you struck out on your 1st round pick if you got a HOF with 7th round pick, as compared to striking out with 7th rounder and HOF 1st round? Know what I mean? A HOF player is a HOF player regardless of round. I think when you start grading drafts AFTER the fact, rounds don’t play as much of a role, it’s the contributions you got as a class.
well I think rounds still have a value
Since if you get a HOF in the 7th it shows that the scouts can see talent that other people can’t. But as a fan I wouldn’t mind.
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if your scouts passed on a hall of famer in round 6
then just maybe the coaches should be getting the credit instead.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Some of it has to be given to the scouts too
they found the player
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okay
but if they waited until the 7th round to draft him, then they obviously didn’t even think he would be an above-average starter, let alone a hall-of-famer.
all your scouts knew was one of two things:
1. he would be better than your average 7th round pick.
2. despite whatever concerns dropped him to the 7th round, he still had enourmous upside. (in which case it’s up to the coaches to get anything out of that upside.)
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Yes, it would be right after the draft,
or the mock.
Draft grading after a year or more is fundamentally different, since you will than be grading based on observable contributions, and as hudd07 commented, selection round starts to play much less of a role in the grading. For example, the day after the draft, you grade as follows: F, F, F, F, F, A, A. That would recieve a grade of .08, basically an F. Three years later it may be considered a C-. Much later down the road, if those two A’s had Hall of Fame careers for our team, then that draft would have to be an A, regardless of where the Hall of Fame players were selected.
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I think failures early should hurt more than failures in the 7th round
and successes in the 7th should give more points than a success in the 1st.
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That only matters if you're grading the scouts and the GM,
and even that is way later on down the road, after you know whether or not a pick was successful. I’m talking about having a grade system that is only used right after the draft, without any knowledge of whether or not a pick is successful.
I do agree with your idea for weighting based on what round a success or a failure is selected, it’s just that that would be a different system, for a different purpose. Though it too ought to be standardized. I may think about working on that as well.
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I will be sure to keep track of your progress
Should be interesting to make a standard grading rubric.
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I hope to have a post up in a few days.
I need to flesh the concept out a bit, and actually get around to typing it up. I don’t have much homework for the weekend, so I won’t have that as an excuse.
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Ha-ha, things are pretty slow here so far.
We are only on our third homework for Theory of Sets, and it’s just two problems, so I’ll probably just do it tomorrow afternoon. Aside from that, my programming assignment has been done since Monday, and I’m not aware of any homework for my other courses. Hope you’re not getting burdened with too much work, it sucks when it piles up.
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Yeah, that sucks.
It may seem kind of weird, but my most writing intensive courses have been my math classes. The longest piece of writing that I have had to do recently was the final exam for Linear Algebra II, which ended up being about six pages.
Also, what’s with the “due by Sunday”? Do your professors actually work on Sundays, or do you have to slide it under their office day prior to their arrival on Monday? Really strange either way.
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Oh.
I must admit, I feel a little stupid for not even considering that possibility in this day and age.
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Its all good
and my first linear algebra test is on monday. Stressful weekend.
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Oh?
I really like linear algebra, I actually kind of love it, particularly after taking a second course in it, but the first parts are a bit tedious, with all the row-reduction and what-not. Kind of like calculus where you end up doing seeming thousands of derivatives and integrals. I hope you do well on your exam.
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I really wonder if Fooch could just give me a 2 day ban.
So I won’t be distracted. But I got the linear algebra thing down like a cat in the hat.
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I sometimes wish that I had a cat who wore a hat.
Ah, but I can only dream, at least for now.
Anyway, yeah, without the internet I would probably get a lot more work done. Although there would still be books, food, and sleep to distract me, plus random math/programming problems that catch my attention.
Good to hear that you’re you’ve got the linear algebra stuff.
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Speaking of DraftTek
Who’s doing the picking for us over at DraftTek? They currently have us taking Blaine Gabbert at 7.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 12, 2011 7:24 AM PST up reply actions
THen why do they have explanations?
I thought at one time Drew said he did some stuff over there. I thought the rankings we done by Computer but the mock was a group of reps from each team. So I guess I’m asking who is the rep for our team?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 12, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
It picks than the 49er team rep gives an explanation I believe.
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Man that must suck! LOL
I’d say “The computer did it”
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 12, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
I think they make the need rankings too
so if they don’t like it they can switch up the needs.
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That's the problem with algorithmic solutions...
That we see all the time in engineering.
Ya start to treat the algorithm like a black box where you put data in, turn the crank, and answers pop out.
Then sometimes you aren’t so happy with the answers.. so you start thinking about the algorithm and how you can force it to provide a certain solution by feeding it different data.
By the time you get to this point… you might as well throw away the algorithm because you’ve reintroduced error into the entry dataset.
Garbage in and turn the crank = garbage out.
You do have a certain point
Forcing a solution onto an algorithm IMO is a big problem with football software models.
Still the biggest source of error is the data itself. We already know from historical analysis 50% of those draft ratings will turnout to be bogus/ off base before beginning the process.
I did.
There are team analyst that do the comments. They are also able to do grabs and lockouts on certain players. But I doubt the guy who is doing it now is doing that considering he is a Raiders fan.
It’s probably all computer generated considering the priority number 1 is QB and Gabbert is the #1 rated QB on their board.
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Agreed: A on Petersen
F on Young. I just don’t see the need to spend a 2nd-rounder on Ted Ginn Jr. Jr.
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Any reason why you automatically think Titus is Ted Ginn?
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
So, that’s 2 qualities of a receiver and he’s automatically got a comp. Brilliant!
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Its true
They are really similar in that regard.
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Memo to the scouts: Speed and Hands are the only qualities of a receiver to evaluate.
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
When it is their bread and butter than ya its pretty important.
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Size
Type of receiver (deep speedster, dynamic, etc)…
Need I go on. There is more that links them than just 2. They aren’t exact, but they aren’t different enough of a receiver to draft in the 2nd round. It’s like drafting another RG in the 2nd round that’s 95% like Rachal. Only enough snaps for one of them, so is that really worth using that pick unless we can get MUCH better?
Young in the 2nd, when we already have Ginn AND Williams is not a good move. They are all too similar.
I use old 49er scout Tony Razzano’s way of evaluating players.
For a receiver there is 7 qualities that he used to evaluate. I also use the 2-8 scale that Razzano used.
My grades for Titus Young
Hands: 5-
Patterns (routes): 6
Receive Deep: 7-
Catch In Traffic: 5-
Jump Ball: 5-
Run After Catch: 7+
Block: 5-
Now here is my evaluation of Ginn
Hands: 4+
Patterns (routes): 5-
Receive Deep: 7
Catch In Traffic: 5-
Jump Ball: 4+
Run After Catch: 5-
Block: 4
Now to me, in my eyes, there is 2 qualities that set Titus and Ginn apart. One is routes. Titus really has a knack for finding soft spots in zones and knows when to accelerate in and out of his cuts, while Ginn is still trying to grasp that concept. The other, is the RAC ability, where I see Titus Young as much better than Ginn. Ginn is extremely fast in terms of straight line speed, and probably faster than Young in that regard. But he does not have Young’s agility, balance and make you miss in space ability either.
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
They are pretty big factors in a receiver’s game. RAC is very important, as is routes. In fact I would argue they are more important than straight line speed.
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone heard of a route tree? Ginn didn’t need one at Ohio state. I swear there are so many sheep in here. Grantmp, big UPS to the header.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
Oh here come rlott dropping that knowledge on us
High and mighty with only 2 sentences.
Just because you go against the grain, doesn’t mean you are right…sometimes the sheep follow each other because they know where the grass is greener.
Sorry, but if you a wr that was set up on offense as a speed threat only, and comparing him to some one that ran 4 times the routes, I would say it wasnt analyzed thoroughly.
And those that agree while ignoring the facts, so said idea that they agreed with, are merely agreeing to stay on the side that says no new WR, are like sheep to me. We don’t need a WR. Then you hear this WR is Ginn 2.0 because he has speed…….baaaaa, a sheep will futilely agree.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
It's not that I think Young won't be a decent pro.
I don’t want Young because
a) he’d be too expensive (draft-pick-wise)
b) he wouldn’t fundamentally change the Niners’ offensive options (like a Reggie Bush-type back or a big-bodied Mike Williams type receiver might)
and
c) the Niners have other bigger needs.
The Ginn comp isn’t a slight against Young—it’s more a statement about the role he’d play in the offense.
I also wouldn’t want the Niners to pick him because I have my questions about Young’s hands (based on some practice reports from the Senior Bowl and the Nevada game), and his body makeup (that’s one of the other reasons why the Ginn comp is apt, to me—similar physical makeup).
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Whether it is players for picks, picks for picks, picks for players, up or down.
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it would be nothing more than a random guess
if we tried to speculate picks-for-picks trades in February.
the question is, which players on our roster should we trade for picks and what picks could we get for them?
the only guy that comes to mind is Isaac Sopoaga. i’ll bet he could get us a late round pick from a team that needed help against the run.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I think Soap, and Morgan are susceptible to being traded.
Maybe an OLB.
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no way soapaga gets traded. he may not be a sack monster but he has done pretty darn well against the run and he does not cause any problems on or off the field. and he also has a decent contract.
forgot one guy from my posting below
parly harylson. it would take signing some free agents and drafting someone then he could be on the block. like if manny lawson and laboy resigned and von miller is drafted then no way is harylson needed and he may want to go to a team were he can start.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 10, 2011 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
can trade
spencer, maybe chilo but doubt it, clements if he does not restructure and if he is pissed off about the niners wanting to restructure his contract but who would want to pay him 15 million for one season, joe staley is possible if baalke has balls and is confident in alex boone and that alex boone is willing to extend his contract. Will anyone want david carr for giving up a 7th round pick? but the guy with the most trade value is probably josh morgan. one year left on his contract and he posting some decent numbers a brandon lloyd type deal would not be bad
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 10, 2011 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
No way do the 49ers take a wide receiver in the second round
By the way Prince’s stock is falling fast. Go for a corner in the second round either Jimmy Smith or Davon House.
If Miller and Jordan aren’t there then it’s Robert Quinn from North Carolina or Aldon Smith out of Missouri.
Dude
You’re the second person talking about Smith in the 2nd lol. The guy is like 12th on Scouts Inc.
Gimme 1 round!
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and moving up the charts.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 10, 2011 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
Good Mock
If we got those two players, I would give an A easily.
My mock top 10 players are:
1) Fairley
2) Bowers
3) Von Miller
4) Green
5) Solder
6) Jones
7) Peterson
8) Gabbert
9) Amukamara
10) Dareus
My Niner mock 7 rounds:
1) Peterson CB
2) Rahim Moore S
3) Kaeparnick QB
4a) Powe NT
4b) Marecic FB
5) Henery K
6) Toliver WR
7) Blanc DE
No way Solder goes in the top 5
He’s got great physical tools, but her remains raw. He’ll probably go top 25, but most touts have Tryon Smith ahead of him in this draft.
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Tryon Smith
Should be ranked that high. He is small and has yet to play LT.
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Well whichever tackle is top of their draft board
To think there will not be one tackle in the top 10 imo is incorrect. There will be at least 1 tackle in the top 10, and at least 3 in the top 20 imo.
I have Solder as my top tackle
Followed by Sherrod and then Castonzo. The top two needs for the cards are tackle and pass-rush. They will take a tackle imo.
The consensus is that this year has a bunch of 2nd tier guys
but no Joe Thomas types, and you basically have to be at least close to a Joe Thomas to be considered in the top 10. T. Smith has that upside, and Solder has great tools but lacks some technique—but neither are in that category. I’m saying any OT would be a reach in the top 10—not saying it won’t happen.
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do not think that kaepernick last until the third round.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 10, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
I heard Cam Newton rocked his workout.
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Unfortunately, NFL scouts are not allowed to attend private media day workouts.
It’s a hype move. If you set up your own workout, deciding what you will do and what you won’t do, and then don’t rock it.. something is terribly terribly wrong.
Yup
It’s a LOOK AT ME thing. It’s funny, one of the scouts was quoted as, this isn’t a show off yourself to the highest bidder. he is only allowed to go where he is picked. Showing off to the public is stupid because they have nothing to do with it.
Probably an attempt to build hype through the media
He’s probably bitter that he’s not projected as the highest QB right now despite winning the National Championship. Look at how Gabbert’s stock has gone up with the media hype.
Realistically, it’s a product of what the media says and how the QB position is overvalued in down years. There probably isn’t a true 1st round QB this year, but since the position is important, people’s stock gets elevated.
And I saw the footage, which essentially boiled down to a pro day workout. Fully scripted and used to show off particular things. I will say he does have a good throwing motion and isn’t tossing lame ducks.
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Colin Kaepernick took time to talk with the Panthers blog
He is moving up the board.
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Terrible release, terrible accuracy. But hey, he’s got da strong arm!
People need to start realizing that arm strength is the least important attribute of a QB. Release, footwork, accuracy, decision making, are all much more important.
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
His accuracy isn't that bad.
His release yes needs some work and he said it himself. As you can see from his 64.9% completion %. Of course the numbers help from the outside view if you really want to see it just watch a game. You can see all of the games on espn3.com
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A high comp. pct in a gimmick offense. What was Alex Smith’s comp pct. in Utah’s offense? LOL at using college stats to project players in the NFL.
And yes, I have watched him, I’ve seen 3 full games of him. He’s a 6th-7th round pick at best. Huge project.
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
What?
I read all of it. You said his accuracy wasn’t that bad, and your argument for that was his comp. pct. in a gimmick offense and that I need to watch him play on espn3.com
1) I explained to you why college statistics mean jack when it comes to projecting to the next level.
and
2) I’ve seen 3 full games of him already, and see terrible mechanics when it comes to his footwork, set up, release, and decision making(reads).
try again.
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
well what shows accuracy?
I’m asking what you look for.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
Hitting recceivers in stride, throwing them open, etc…Kaepernick does none of those things. There were reports at the senior bowl that he struggled to hit receivers in stride in simple practice with no defenders. yep, just the QB and WR throwing pass routes and he couldn’t hit his man.
This shows up in the games as well.
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
you are
exaggerating everything
no one is questioning his accuracy, he is very accurate passer.
hey he has long arms and weird throw but so does that qb in san diego philip rivers.
he showed he can pick up pro offense and be effective in senior bowl week.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 10, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
You jumped to a major conclusion. manraj said nothing of his arm
I bet you’re a poor judge of QBs, so it must be fact.
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You are right I didn't say anything about his actual football playing skills
Just about how nice a guy he is.
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Your argument for his accuracy was his completion pct. in a gimmick offense. That right there shows you know nothing about how to project QB’s to the next level.
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your arguments are unfounded and baseless.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 10, 2011 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
People are too easily swayed by the hype
Once a Scout evaluates the game film, that person isn’t going to slide players up or down based on the media coverage they are getting, but an amatuer guy that is influenced by what he is hearing will..
Yep. All the internet draftnik’s start blowing their loads when they see a good arm, because they have no idea how to evaluate the other qualities of a quarterback.
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
What makes you right? Who do you like? Ponder?
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
Only one I like in this draft is Stanzi. He’s incredibly accurate on intermediate routes, but he has a problem with decision making in the clutch, so he has warts. That said, he’s the only QB I would take before Round 5, I think Harbaugh could work with him/
Mallett is intriguing with his passing ability, but he’s a statue and his mechanics are terrible when he has to re-set his feet.
Cam Newton is a 5th round talent. He’s a bust waiting to happen.
Ponder is interesting but has injury questions and he seems meh to me. Certainly wouldn’t use a 2nd on him.
And Blaine Gabbert is the most over hyped piece of garbage I have ever seen.
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
every quarterback is garbage except for those who prove themselves in the nfl?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 10, 2011 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
I watched Stanzi live for 3 years....
He lived off his running game, choked in the clutch and should have better numbers with the OL and running game…….lol, at you talking all that crap and liking Stanzi, you’re probably an Iowa fan.
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Nope, I'm a Cal fan.
Just like what I see from him on certain throws…he understands ball placement. And I acknowledge in the earlier posts that he has warts, specifically his decision making in the clutch. I agree that his OL was great, but some of the throws I have seen him make lead me to believe that he has a chance to be a decent player with some coaching…
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Of all the QBs you like Stanzi?
He’s f***ing horrible playing against crap Big 10 secondaries. He sucked harder than probably any other player at the Senior bowl.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 11, 2011 4:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i dare you to find ONE example
of a scouting report for a QB that mentions his arm strength and nothing else.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I think it was the Jags board
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So I'm thinking of a QB to take.
He had a 67% completion % in College, so that obviously means he is very accurate, even if it was in a gimmick offense.
here he is, the QB of the future!
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=134662
You are right
college results has nothing to do with future NFL capabilities. We should draw players’ names out of a hat.
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Nope, we should use scouting techniques and project them to the pros with the ABILITIES they have.
Otherwise, Timmy Chang would be an MVP candidate.
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
You are right again because the scouts that picked Smith just saw ooh he had nice stats and picked his first overall.
He looked good in college and the coaches thought that it could develop into the NFL. Do you honestly believe that none of us on this board watch games?
Hell rewatch my least favorite game of the season Nevada vs Boise st.
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There was one Scout that got fired from the Rams for giving him a 5th round grade…There were plenty of doubters about Smith and his abilities, but good ole’ Mike Nolan picked him because he had the “face” for the franchise…
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
He has the skill set and the potential to be a good QB.
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Also if you watch this game you will see the best QB in the NCAA.
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Unlikely. Haven’t seen this one, so I will give it a watch. I’m preparing to see terrible mechanics and shoddy footwork, but hey, I might get proven wrong in this one.
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
And I thought it was Kellen Moore, another gimmick offense QB who was the best? Isn’t that what you said a few weeks ago? LOL.
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
HOP
I never said a bad word about Kellen Moore. Never in my entire life. Even if he stole the love of my life I would have to say “man Kellen Moore and me have the same taste in women.”
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If you don't believe me ask anyone on this board.
Also he may have bad mechanics, which can be fixed, but he isn’t as inaccurate as you say he is.
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Oops, my mistake
Nevada vs Boise…. Kellen Moore IS playing in this one…
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Moore never misses a game
They take him out early because he beats the other team so bad. Moore is so awesome that when asked to do a pull up gravity lets go of him so he doesn’t have to do any work.
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completion percentage
Completion percentage is only one part of the equation, just like what a scout sees with his two eyes is one part of the equation. For some players the completion percentage is worth more and for others it’s worth less because of the type of offense they played in. You seem to be inferring it has no value at all.
by David Fucillo on Feb 10, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
What I am inferring
Is that comp. pct in COLLEGE has no bearing on a players accuracy as it translates to the pros. The only way to evaluate accuracy from College is to see the throws he makes and how well he hits receivers in stride, or throws his receivers open.
Now sure, there might be a guy who IS accurate, and he had a good comp. pct and he will be a good pro, but it had nothing to do with his stats
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
completion percentage
But if you haven’t had a chance to see a guy but you know he plays in a pro style offense or something other than a gimmick offense, I don’t see what’s wrong with seeing a high percentage and thinking well, he could have some solid accuracy. I don’t think anything is black and white, but not everybody can see every game of a given player. I’m not saying they should just say, “Well this obviously makes player X accurate.” There are scouting reports out there but sometimes they conflict and you have to make judgment calls.
by David Fucillo on Feb 10, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
Have to agree to disagree with that.
I think comp. pct. is much more useful for NFL players…Any college QB that i want to get a read on I watch at the least 3 full games.
by BustaTheRippa on Feb 10, 2011 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
LOL @ 3 full games...
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responses
Honestly, it’d be better to respond with “I disagree and don’t see how only three games can be sufficient to fully assess a quarterback.”
At the same time, Busta is saying it’s “to get a read” which isn’t the same as saying a definite determination.
by David Fucillo on Feb 11, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
I get your point and the purpose of stating that, but it actually did make me chuckle.
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good..
I make you chuckle? Am I funny? Funny like I’m a clown? (NSFW language)
by David Fucillo on Feb 14, 2011 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
…the watching three games is enough made me chuckle like this (your favorite)
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
3 games should be enough...as long as you aren't watching them to see the score..
When you are assessing a QB.. you are looking for progression and consistency.
Lets say.. you watch the first game, last game, and the game against the highest rated defensive opponent, or second highest if that was the last game.
You use the first and the last to check out how he progressed during the season.. not in yards or TD’s or anything stupid like that.. but in footwork, delivery mechanics, decision making, accuracy, and ball placement.
Then you look at the game against the highest rated defense and see if his game steps up or steps out when he has guys in his face and small windows to throw into.
If he can still read which route to throw to when the receivers aren’t wide open, if his footwork breaks down when he hears footsteps, if he can even hear footsteps at all, if he can avoid a rush and reset his feet quickly and throw accurately.
So you don’t even care if they win or lose, you don’t care how many TD’s the QB has thrown, a ball thrown into a tight window is a ball thrown into a tight window no matter where it is caught.. and a ball thrown to a wide open receiver who has to break his stride is a bad throw whether it’s a drop or a TD.
So I think 3 games is enough as long as they are the right three, and you are looking for the right things.
Unfortunately for most.. we aren’t paid scouts.. and don’t have time to turn half of a 3 hour game into 24 hours of film study required to break down a QB completely.
3 games
I think the point is that 3 games is enough to get some ideas, it seems like it’s not enough to provide a complete assessment because you don’t know what happened contextually in those games that might be different from the other group of games, particularly since 3 is such a small sample size.
There’s value to viewing 3 games, but obviously a lot more value to view a lot more.
by David Fucillo on Feb 11, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, I see the point..
I just disagree with it.
The QB’s last year in the NCAA is the best representation of what you are going to get.
Three games out of a twelve game schedule is roughly 25% of the attempts he will make that entire year.
Include the game against the best defense he played, with the way teams make their schedules with a maximum of 5 quality opponents, and you get at least 20% of the attempts he will make against quality opposition, 40% if the last game is as well.
Statistically speaking.. that is a huge sample size.
Mcshay has Peterson going to the niners
Looks like it is a real possibility
by SanFranciscoKnights on Feb 10, 2011 9:33 PM PST reply actions
That he is the best cb in the draft?
by SanFranciscoKnights on Feb 10, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Me and Drew said it since the first draft topic with mock drafts.
Its a possibility but unlikely.
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Jabaal Sheard vs Miami
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUXMVmDwvmA
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I think he fits a 4-3 defense better
by SanFranciscoKnights on Feb 11, 2011 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno never asked to drop back into coverage
But if that is the only reason why than you might want to cancel, Robert Quinn and the other 4-3 DE.
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I agree that Quinn probably would be best suited for a 4-3.
I would still take him because they say he could be an elite pass rusher but my question is if you can’t cover why are you in the 3-4? Maybe Sheard can learn to cover and he just wasn’t asked to in college, but if not than what makes him an upgrade over Laboy?
by SanFranciscoKnights on Feb 12, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Not many teams in the NCAA run a 3-4
So other than Von Miller every single 3-4 OLB prospect is a guess. Baalke said that the 3rd or 4th thing you ask for in an OLB is that he can cover.
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With Lawson and Willis, Quinn would be a bigger impact player. He can play the Olb, and de in the Nickel. Sorry but if I’m facing the niners I’m spreading them out and putting up points.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
It's harder to do with a legit pass rusher
Won’t have the TE or RB to help chip. It’s more one on one with OT.
I watched GB do it, because they have the wideouts.
SB hopes would require challenging the Packers.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
Mock....trade #7 to NE for #17 and #33
1 Brandon Harris CB MIA.
2a. C Kaepernick QB
2b. Brooks Reed Olb
3. Davon House CB Aggies
4. Marvin Austin DT UNC 34 de
4b. Greg Little WR UNC
5. Alex Henry K
6. Chykie Brown Texas CB
7. Emanuel Moody RB
Did their offense score running the ball? Did the defense score the points?
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
Mock....trade #7 to NE for #17 and #33
1 Brandon Harris CB MIA.
2a. C Kaepernick QB
2b. Brooks Reed Olb
3. Davon House CB Aggies
4. Marvin Austin DT UNC 34 de
4b. Greg Little WR UNC
5. Alex Henry K
6. Chykie Brown Texas CB
7. Emanuel Moody RB
thats 6 points, right.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
Mock....trade #7 to NE for #17 and #33
1 Brandon Harris CB MIA.
2a. C Kaepernick QB
2b. Brooks Reed Olb
3. Davon House CB Aggies
4. Marvin Austin DT UNC 34 de
4b. Greg Little WR UNC
5. Alex Henry K
6. Chykie Brown Texas CB
7. Emanuel Moody RB
I know this is really early but Walterfootball does a 2012 draft and he has the Niners picking Landry Jones.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php
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I dunno how he predicts where people are but I like the pick.
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Would love that pick up.
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But I hope we aren't selecting 9th, haha
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Unless its our second pick
Which we got from another team.
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I'm really interested to see what the Redskins do if like Drew says they dont pick a QB with that 10th pick
I think they go QB with either their 1st or 2nd round picks. If they dont go with Cam Newton who could already be gone by 10 I think they take a hard look at Ponder with that 2nd round pick. In my eyes Ponder is the best West Coast QB in the draft and with that being the system they run in Washington I think they take a hard look at him
I have a real hard time justifying a top 10 on Newton... I mean it could happen, but...
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Multiple things...
But Mike Mayock’s recent comp to Jamarcus Russell. I am sure that will resonate with most owners and GM’s.
If Todd McShay can pimp a 4th rounder to be the consensus number one in the draft. Mike Mayock (who is much more respected around the league) can do some damage with a comment like that.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Is it a fair comparison, Russell wasn’t that great of a college QB, and the Raiders don’t have a top 10 pick.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
just to be contrarian...
What if the more apt comparison for Cam Newton is Josh Freeman? Freeman, like Newton, looks like a guy I want playing power forward on my basketball team: high-cut, well-built, really athletic, etc.
I actually like Mayock’s analysis most of the time—loved him at the senior bowl. I just don’t understand why the Newton-Freeman comparison isn’t being made.
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That is a viable comparison
and really thinking back on it, Freeman was looked down upon as a pick by more than a few.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 14, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Who is this Davon House character?
And why does Drafttek have us taking him in the 2nd?
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Draft Insider claims that 6 different teams have Cam Newton rated as the best player in the draft.
http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=4627
they also say the Broncos are in love with Patrick Peterson.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
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Have faith manraj
There’s still enough time between now and the Draft for the Broncos to fall in love with someone else!
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Let it be Arizona...
And let Denver please take Da’Quan Bowers
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 12, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
I would love it if Newton went to Arizona
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I don't care who takes Bowers as long as he goes in the top 6...
and the Niners don’t (stupidly) trade up to get him.
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did we ever find out for sure if the Broncos are switching to a 4-3?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Why is Quinn labeled as a 3-4 OLB he seems too big to play as an OLB
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He has the athleticism to play OLB...or so it seems
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
"I come up with something when I’ve got nothing, and it’s always brilliant. Always. So I reject your logic." -Grant
Demarcus Ware plays at 265.
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Lamar Woodley is also 265
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"I come up with something when I’ve got nothing, and it’s always brilliant. Always. So I reject your logic." -Grant
weird I don't know why I thought that the majority of the OLB are around 255-260
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Think of it like this
most 3-4 OLBs are at least 250 lbs. The heaviest is Tamba Hali at 275 but looking at him, I think he lost weight because he was much quicker this season. So as long as they fall into the 250 – 275 range, most teams will not care.
For me, I don’t care how much the guy weighs as long as he can play his position.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Feb 12, 2011 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
Different websites say different things about him. On ESPN I’m seeing 253, but at the same time on another ESPN link it says he’s 270, but either way Tamba Hali is 6’3 275 and he’s pretty good.
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Hali is a freak
He is the exception not the rule.
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Ya I saw his weight on insider as 254
If he weighs 254 I would take him at 7. He has great physical attributes which is what people know him for but he also plays really intelligently.
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agree.
I think he’d be getting #1 overall buzz if not for his suspension.
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Why do people always talk about his athletic abilities
I watched a couple of his games and he plays really smart. I’m not kidding you but when a screen happen he saw it and stopped it. I was shocked.
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His athletic abilities means he’s capable of being a great Olb, If not for the suspension, he’d be unanimous one overall. He could still go 1 overall.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
Mock....trade #7 to NE for #17 and #33
1 Brandon Harris CB MIA.
2a. C Kaepernick QB
2b. Brooks Reed Olb
3. Davon House CB Aggies
4. Marvin Austin DT UNC 34 de
4b. Greg Little WR UNC
5. Alex Henry K
6. Chykie Brown Texas CB
7. Emanuel Moody RB
I think his suspension isn't going to allow that
But if he wasn’t suspended I don’t think that it would even be a discussion. He can easily start from day 1.
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Which is why he still could. Texans took Williams and no one seen it coming!
Wouldn’t’ surprise me.
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Mock....trade #7 to NE for #17 and #33
1 Brandon Harris CB MIA.
2a. C Kaepernick QB
2b. Brooks Reed Olb
3. Davon House CB Aggies
4. Marvin Austin DT UNC 34 de
4b. Greg Little WR UNC
5. Alex Henry K
6. Chykie Brown Texas CB
7. Emanuel Moody RB
But there are so many talented players
It would definitely surprise me
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Doesnt matter, there will be teams wanting to move up.
Did you watch the last draft?
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
Mock....trade #7 to NE for #17 and #33
1 Brandon Harris CB MIA.
2a. C Kaepernick QB
2b. Brooks Reed Olb
3. Davon House CB Aggies
4. Marvin Austin DT UNC 34 de
4b. Greg Little WR UNC
5. Alex Henry K
6. Chykie Brown Texas CB
7. Emanuel Moody RB
I don't think I understand your point.
Yes he is athletic and smart. Or are you purporting that he is not athletic?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 14, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
No, everyone only talks about his athletic ability
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I love his potential, he looks unblockable, but it isnt his technique.
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
Mock....trade #7 to NE for #17 and #33
1 Brandon Harris CB MIA.
2a. C Kaepernick QB
2b. Brooks Reed Olb
3. Davon House CB Aggies
4. Marvin Austin DT UNC 34 de
4b. Greg Little WR UNC
5. Alex Henry K
6. Chykie Brown Texas CB
7. Emanuel Moody RB
will jake locker go in the third round?
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WR in the second rd?
Do we really need another wr? I mean we might as well get a qb right??
Depends on the player.
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Mock....trade #7 to NE for #17 and #33
1 Brandon Harris CB MIA.
2a. C Kaepernick QB
2b. Brooks Reed Olb
3. Davon House CB Aggies
4. Marvin Austin DT UNC 34 de
4b. Greg Little WR UNC
5. Alex Henry K
6. Chykie Brown Texas CB
7. Emanuel Moody RB
I can honestly say
The only receiver I would be happy taking in the 2nd round would be Baldwin from Pitt. The guy is a monster. I’m kinda hoping his combine is less than stellar to allow him to drop below Titus Young in the eyes of some teams. He is honestly the only receiver that we have a realistic chance at that gets me excited
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Baldwin is a major risk/reward guy.
He has some unteachable traits, but how hard is he going to work once he gets the contract. And how polished is he as a receiver?
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Ok shooting mine out there.
It’s really has some similarities to RLott’s from what I just noticed looking at his picks, 4 of the same players and looks like about 7 of the same positions. This “mock” is based on my feeling that there will be a quick and dirty Free Agency going on in March sometime. Some may consider that optimistic but that is up for debate.
Free Agency::
Resign David Baas, Alex Smith, Manny Lawson, Ray McDonald
Sign S Eric Weddle, NT Paul Soliai
Trade:
Trade with Texans 7 – 11 we also get their 3rd (Pick # 73)
Rd1 Pick 11 – CB Jimmy Smith
Rd2 Pick 45 – DE Christian Ballard.
Rd 3 Pick 73 – OLB Brooks Reed (or Jabal Sheard)
Rd 3 Pick 76 – QB Colin Kaepernick
Rd 4 Pick 107 – FB Own Marecic
Rd 4 Pick 114 – WR Greg Little (or possibly OC Kristofer O’Dowd)
Rd 5 Pick 138 – RB Derrick Locke
Rd 6 Pick 169 – OC Jake Kirkpatrick (or Brandon Fusco or CB Kendrick Burney, CB Chykie Brown)
Rd 6 Pick 185 – Options: FS Will Hill, DT/DE Terrell McClain, CB Marcus Gilchrist
Rd 7 Pick 199 – K Kai Forbath
Rd 7 Pick 200 – WR DeAndre Brown or BPA
Analysis:
Offense:
QB: I know some will not be happy that we have Alex again but he is the most cost effective Vet QB we have. Harbaugh will be able to train Colin as the QBOTF
WR: With a better offensive scheme from Harbaugh Crabs will have a better season, as will the whole WR Corps. Hopefully Ginn and KW will step up too.
Greg Little will add a lot to our WR corps giving us a big guy with good hands. DeAndre Brown is a project that could be taught to block possibly and be a swing WR/TE
TE: Pretty much standing pat with VD and Delanie as primary TE and Byham adding some blocking at TE as well as working as a H-Back. Also see note on DeAndre above.
RBs: Gore starting with Dixon backing him up. Locke gives us a COP option and could very well end up as our version of Westbrook (I know that’s an outside chance at best) Byham and Marecic will work as FB/H-Back.
Defense:
Defensive Backs – If we have Weddle at FS then we can have either Mays or Smith at SS and also push Smith into CB spots at times. Jimmy Smith will be a very good addition to the CB corps. Again if we get Will Hill, Burney, or Gilchrist that’s just icing on the cake.
Linebacker – PWilly and Bowmann at ILB with McKillop backing them up. Manny and Ahmad Brooks primaries on outside. Brooks Reed has a good motor and is good at the pass rush and will be worked into the crew.
Defensive line –Christian Ballard is a good pickup who can take the LDE side with Cowboy playing his RDE side. This allows us to have Soap backing up both the LDE and NT position. RJF can do likewise.
Soliai is our starting NT with RJF and Soap backing him up. If we get Terrell McClain that is icing on the cake.
Special Teams – Forbath will be our kicker for years to come, and we have Andy Lee continuing his excellence at punting. Return men we have Ginn and Williams a very nice return crew. And then we have McKillop and Spillman and of course Marecic. DeAndre can play on ST if not put on PS. That’s a quite nice special teams crew in my mind.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 14, 2011 4:09 PM PST reply actions
Kaep's prob gonna be gone before pick #76 in the draft.
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LOL J/K but yeah will probably have to rework things. I don’t see the Pats willing to trade up and haven’t seen a team that would be willing to move up enough of a reach to get us a second second rounder. The Texans I can see wanting to get Prince or such and have a possibility of wanting to move up. If we could figure out a way to get a second Round 2 then that would be great. I just haven’t come up on it yet.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 14, 2011 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Jimmy Smith? pass
Harbaugh runs a version of Bo Schembeclers offense, not a WCO!!!
Mock....trade #7 to NE for #17 and #33
1 Brandon Harris CB MIA.
2a. C Kaepernick QB
2b. Brooks Reed Olb
3. Davon House CB Aggies
4. Marvin Austin DT UNC 34 de
4b. Greg Little WR UNC
5. Alex Henry K
6. Chykie Brown Texas CB
7. Emanuel Moody RB
D
I gave it a D I like Peterson but Titus Young doesn’t make sense especially with Justin Houston still on the board in this scenario.
by 49ers_Lakers_Yankees on Feb 16, 2011 7:29 PM PST reply actions
I doubt it
8 out of 10 #1 picks in the last decade have been QBs. Cam Newton will go no. 1 overall. Last February Suh was all the hype to go to St. Louis and look what happened. I say if peterson or miller isn’t available trade down and try to score an extra 1st rounder for next year. Matt Barkley or Andrew Luck take your pick.
I think another indication that DT is the pick for Denver
is that they cut J Will and Bannan, who likely would have been starters. They gave big vick and extension, but that’s just one guy. I fully expect DT to be the pick now. I have liked Dareus for a while, and I’m glad he’s back on top. I think between Fairley and Dareus, Denver can’t go wrong.
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