49ers QB Alex Smith: Yet Another "Final Chance"?
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 1, 2011 10:00 AM PST
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Many of us came to the conclusion that the 49ers January season ending drubbing of the Arizona Cardinals was Alex Smith's final game in a San Francisco uniform. We were ready to turn the page and change the chapter from his largely unsuccessful 49ers career. After all, the 49ers were going to be rebuilding or "re-tooling", depending on the way you look at it. Jim Harbaugh was brought in to change the culture, philosophy and bring his own style to the 49ers. Many of us, including myself, thought that it meant bringing in a QB of his own. Little did we know that the QB may be Alex Smith.
A large majority of 49er fans oppose Alex Smith returning to the 49ers in 2011, and this makes sense. His success(s) can be limited to five digits on one hand at this point, he has had multiple opportunities to prove himself and every single time Alex has fallen flat on his face. Mike Singletary and Co. thought that trade Shaun Hill and signing David Carr to reduce competition for Alex Smith was the right decision, well it wasn't. I don't want a starting QB on my team that seems to avoid competition and needs that competition taken away in order to improve as a QB; that makes little sense to me.
In six seasons with the 49ers Alex Smith has been a real indicator of the 49ers struggles. He has two more INTS (53) than TDs (51), is 13 games under .500 as a starter and has a career high QB rating of 82.1, this accomplished in 2010. However, it must be noted that Alex has improved over the last couple of seasons, having his best years in 2009 and 2010. During that span Smith has 10 more TDs than INTs, and has completed over 60 percent of his passes. Does this mean I support him returning as the unquestionable starter in 2011? Of course not!
On the surface it seems like the 49ers have unlimited QB options in free agency and via trade, but that is just on the surface. How many of us are willing to meet Philadelphia's asking price for Kevin Kolb? A QB that has not proven anything in the NFL and is nearly as risky as drafting an unproven rookie. Do you really believe that Kyle Orton is that much better than Alex Smith? Or worth a 2nd round selection? Carson Palmer has demanded a trade, but it remains to be seen whether the Bengals will honor that request. Most reports out of Cincinnati are that they won't. Then you have two older veterans who saw dramatic drop-offs that last couple seasons. Mike Shanahan was forced to bench Donovan McNabb in favor of the "bust" that is Rex Grossman. Matt Hasselbeck had one of the worse seasons of his largely mediocre career. In fact, there was a lot of talk about Charlie Whitehurst replacing Hasselbeck, yes that Charlie Whitehurst. Vince Young is too emotionally unstable to be counted on as a starter in the NFL. Given all of those indicators listed above, the options are not as great as one would tend to think. The best option out of the litter would seem to be Carson Palmer but him departure from Cincinnati cannot be viewed as imminent as of yet. So where does this leave the 49ers?
No QB in this poor draft class is going to be ready on day one; it just isn't going to happen, Troy Smith is way too inaccurate to be a solid NFL starting QB, and let me not even bring David "where did my arm go" Carr into the equation. The 49ers best option may actually be Alex Smith. Which brings me to another point and/or question; how many of you trust Jim Harbaugh to make the right decision in regards to the QB position? The venerable Monte Poole, in this article, suggests that Harbaugh has earned our trust. "Harbaugh would like the 49er fans to trust him and his teaching ability. At the very least, he deserves a chance to show he knows a quarterback when he sees one". How many of you would be inclined to agree with the aforementioned statement by Poole? Well, I would! Harbaugh has a history of success at both the college and pro levels in regards to developing good QBs. A brief overview will follow
As an Offensive Assistant with the Oakland Raiders in 2003, Jim Harbaugh saw Rich Gannon destroy Oakland Raider QB records. Harbaugh was not the QB Coach, however, he did play a vital role in helping Gannon take the next step. Rich Gannon, a journeyman NFL QB, threw for nearly 4700 yards and led the Oakland Raiders to the Super Bowl. Was this a sign of things to come for Harbaugh? Yes. Jim Harbaugh took over as Head Coach of the University of San Diego in 2004, and in 2005 led them to an 11-1 record and Pioneer League Championship. Josh Johnson, who is currently a back-up for Tampa Bay, set school records in nearly every category. Johnson completed over 70 percent of his passes, threw for nearly 3000 yards and had 31 TD passes. The following season Johnson added to those record numbers with over 3330 yards and 35 TDs compared to 5 interceptions. And, in 2007 Johnson had one of the most remarkable seasons in college football history, at any level. He threw for 42 TDs and 1 INT, yes folks a 42/1 TD-INT ratio. After a short stint with San Diego, Harbaugh took over a floundering Stanford Cardinal program, and we all know what happened there. The following statement sums up his impact with Stanford. Stanford, who was 1-11 in 2006, finished the 2010 season with a 12-1 record and Orange Bowl victory over Virginia Tech; Andrew Luck finished 2nd in the Heisman voting. If these three examples are indications of Harbaugh's ability to mentor and groom QBs, I have all the trust in the world in him, and Monte Poole is 100 percent correct!
I understand that many 49er fans will be opposed to bringing Alex Smith back in 2011, I may in fact be one of them. However, it isn't as clear cut as you may think. The 49ers may be a victim of the circumstances of the CBA in which possible free agents may have to return to their former teams. Additionally, the 49ers may not have a better option out there than Alex Smith. Personally, I would rather have Alex than a washed up Donovan McNabb or Matt Hasselbeck, unproven Kevin Kolb, or enigma that is Vince Young. The other two options, Carson Palmer and Kyle Orton, remain strong possibilities. However, things would have to work out perfectly in order for the 49ers to acquire either player. Is it really that bad of a thought to bring Alex back into the fold? I don't think so! That said, the 49ers would have to create competition for Alex Smith and not anoint him the immediate starter. In reality, the 49ers need to keep their options open, even if Smith does re-sign. By keeping their options open, I mean adding a couple QBs to challenge Smith in training camp. Josh Johnson comes to mind first. However speculative it may be, the only current 49er QB that I would even consider being on the roster in 2011 would be Alex Smith. And, that is a dramatic change from my thought process just two months ago. Sink or swim, in Jim Harbaugh I trust!!
2010 Statistical Comparisons
Alex Smith: 204 Comp- 342 Att- 59.6 Comp %- 2,370 Yds- 14 TD- 10 INT- 82.1 Rating- 13.7 Sack Ratio
Kyle Orton: 293 Comp- 498 Att- 58.8 Comp %- 3,653 Yds- 20 TD- 9 INT- 87.5 Rating- 14.7 Sack Ratio
Carson Palmer: 362 Comp- 596 Att- 61.9 Comp %- 3970 Yds- 26 TD- 20 INT- 82.4 Rating- 22.5 Sack Ratio
Donovan McNabb: 275 Comp-472 Att-58.3 Comp %- 3,377 Yards- 14 TD- 15 INT- 77.1 Rating- 12.8 Sack Ratio
Matt Hasselbeck: 266 Comp- 444 Att- 59.9 Comp %- 3001 Yards- 12 TD- 17 INT- 73.2 Rating- 15.3 Sack Ratio
Kevin Kolb: 115 Comp- 189 Att- 60.8 Comp %- 1,197 Yards- 7 TD- 7 INT- 76.1 Rating- 12.6 Sack Ratio
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Simply Put
Who else are you going to get? Before you say “Anyone but Smith”. How many times has logical (or illogical I should say) thinking like that has worked? Exactly. I still remember being at a game we cheered for David Carr. Please lets not look as incompetent once again.
I just mostly hope we finally struck gold with coaching, because it has been all downhill after Mariucci left.
Billy Volek
Smith’s best chance to start is probably still in SF and I’d like the Niners to bring in FA Billy Volek to compete for that starting job. I think Volek has been one of the best back-up QB’s in the NFL for years now. He’s better than Carr and shouldn’t cost too much. I’d even take Volek over Palmer if Palmer hits free agency. Palmer’s been done since he blew his knee out and he’s probably going to cost significantly more and ultimately aren’t the Niners just looking for a stop gap anyways? Volek fits that bill.
by I'm your PTBNL on Mar 1, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Volek looked great for a couple games at Tennessee
Back when he was filling in for an injured Steve McNair.
That long ago.
Hasn’t done anything worth noting since.
thought Volek was in....
San Deigo backing up Rivers
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Mar 1, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
He is now.
Can’t remember if he was traded or released or went there in FA.
But his best games were backing up McNair when he went down for the Titans.
who?
shaun hill who is free agent
matt flynn- should be 5-7 round pick to trade for
and any two quarterbacks in the draft.
that would all be better options.
carr is done, and most likely will not be back; not even worth discussing.
incompetence is alex smith running towards the wrong end zone dropping the ball for easy td for the wrong team; then coming out and throwing the ball away three times in a row.
do not forget the past, history tends to repeat its self.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Mar 1, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Bruce Gradkowski: the QB no one is talking about!
Look at what he’s done in OAK. Besides being injured, he is a pretty decent QB who knows where to put the ball.
"We are not a charity, we cannot GIVE them the game." -Mike Singletary
Yea i don't know how he's being left out of the talk.
Is he under contract ?
"We are not a charity, we cannot GIVE them the game." -Mike Singletary
No/ But thanks to the CBA
We have limit options and what else we got to lose. He can be released after next season anyway. Maybe we will get Luck after all. lol
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Option - yes
long term solution – no
Short term solution – maybe
Under Harbaugh he will develop into somebodies long term solution
Hopefully our dumbass fan base hasn’t ruined it for us.
Gimme 1 round!
Really, I think my ideal situation would be to get Carson in free agency, get John Johnson for a 5th or below, then sign Alex Smith
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by MichaelClutchtree on Mar 1, 2011 10:11 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
trust Harbaugh
Im not an alex fan I never wanted us to take him in the 1 pick but im not gonna sit here and say oh I knew rodgers would be good cause I didnt I thought we should take an olineman or defensive player but if harbaugh belives he can do something with smith than I will trust his judgement and I think you guys need to as well
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by foreveryoung66 on Mar 1, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
I've been saying it from before Harbaugh was brought on
but it makes 10x more sense with Harbaugh on board. Josh Johnson is just sitting on the bench in Tampa and has almost no value to them as they have Josh Freeman who they intentionally grabbed to prevent JJ from getting a chance to start.
by asmithisaverage on Mar 1, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
In Harbaugh I trust!!!
We gotta support our team and coaches until they give us a reason not to
by Bigdawg16 on Mar 1, 2011 10:13 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
+1
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Mar 1, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
keeping Alex Smith may be a reason not to.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 1, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this
"I for one welcome our new computer overlords." - Ken Jennings, after losing to a computer on Jeopardy, 2/16/11
no
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
Maybe not completely, but a little
"I for one welcome our new computer overlords." - Ken Jennings, after losing to a computer on Jeopardy, 2/16/11
looking at circumstances - no
harbaugh kinda has his hands tied on this one… being a qb guru we just gotta trust him for now. you cant fault the guy for creating a safety net for the worst case scenario in terms of the CBA.
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
Yeah, he's got a good track record.
He can turn struggling QB’s into really good ones. Imagine if we get a great on in the wings also?
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by wellnesscoach on Mar 1, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
You mean like dropping his drawers?
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
I voted no
We need to turn the page. Harbaugh has a proven track record of developing QBs – let him do it with sombody else!
Imagine a difficult 2011 season with Alex Smith. Then we all loose faith in Harbaugh, maybe for the wrong reasons.
with the chance of no offseason practices
I would be o.k with Alex for one year to help develop a qb starter for 2012. Next season is not looking good already anyways.
by wtlichens on Mar 1, 2011 10:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Anybody that spells lose as loose has an invalid opinion
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Oslofan...
It is possible he is from Norway, which would mean he is speaking in his second language… or more likely.. his third or fourth. Or he could be an expat and he just failed at speaking his primary… but something to consider.
or it could just be a typo
"I for one welcome our new computer overlords." - Ken Jennings, after losing to a computer on Jeopardy, 2/16/11
Its not a typo when everybody does it
Its internet propagated ignorance.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Its just my Internet pet peeve
The internet has ingrained in people that lose is spelled loose. Which is what Paris Hilton is.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Here's how I think that it will turn out for 2011 ...
- Alex Smith (via one- or two-year max reup)
- Josh Johnson (via trade after the new CBA is consumated)
- Christian Ponder or Andy Dalton (via second- or third-round draft selection)
Obviously that leaves David Carr … gone.
Personally, I like the longer-term potential of Colin Kaepernick; however, I expect that Harbaugh will consider Ponder or Dalton as having better shorter-term potential as WCO QB’s.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 1, 2011 11:04 AM PST reply actions
Should is the key word
Absolutely he “should” be an option. If you asked “do you want Alex on the roster in 2011” I’d say no way. I want us to find another vet to come in to stopgap while Jim coaches whichever of these rookies he likes. But guess what? The likelihood of that happening is slim at best. Alex is better than Carr and Troy, thats a fact. Its also a fact that he can’t beat teams outside this division, so if we have to go with him, next year is gonna be just like the last couple of years. 7 or 8 wins and almost a playoff appearance. Then its goodbye Alex, hello Jims guys.
"In basketball -- as in life -- true joy comes from being fully present in each and every moment, not just when things are going your way." -Phil Jackson
Really bro ... i would think as a writer for this site you would have a better understanding of the thought ( TEAM ) game ...
… especially with this statement …( he has had multiple opportunities to prove himself and every single time Alex has fallen flat on his face.)… Not only is this a ( TEAM ) game , it start’s from the top of this Organizationdown , tell me when this organization has ever put him in a chance to succeed , this has been a disaster of a Franchise for Eight year’s …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
by Edggy on Mar 1, 2011 11:27 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Seriously
He made quite a few definitive statements that were flat out wrong. At first I didn’t know how to take it because I guess you can write these sort of articles in a blog, where anyone can spout stuff without proper context or facts.
McCarthy, Turner, and Martz...
how many Super Bowls and playoffs have these 3 individual’s been to?
Bite my shiny metal sig
Hmmm , more than Nolan and Sing combined i'm thinkin ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
And how many of those playoff's win's occured while employed by the Niner's. ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
You're saying the Org failed Smith..
when in fact 3 of the best offensive minds were hired for him, and outside of McCarthy (and Hostler), 3 (including Jimmy Raye) OC’s were from the Ernie Zampese tree, and used the same Digit system. That’s what you’re missing here.
Bite my shiny metal sig
Well , how good a ( TEAM ) on offensive were they with those best of offensive mind's ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Let me ask you this , how good is a band without a good Bassist or lead guitar or rhythm guitarist ...
…and what great singer is great without a good band and what great band is good without a great producer and what great band make’s a great Cd without a good studio …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Well...
if I was competing for a “drum chair” and didn’t win it outright, the harsh reality of the music industry has no tier of backup drummers still employed on the band. In other words, I don’t collect a paycheck holding the chart for the “Lead Drummer” of the band. Because there is no such thing in the music industry. Sure I could subsitute on the gig. Yet, even the “Lead Drummer” knows his chair is only good as his last performance. I would have to not only perform at a higher level than Terry Bozzio to take away his chair if I had a shot as playing with Frank Zappa (whose drum charts weren’t watered down for me to execute), but I would have to play at that high level consistently and improve upon what the Composer/Arranger wrote.
In other words, if I can’t interpret the music accurately as well as musically, I don’t have the job becuase there is no such thing as a second or third chance due to the level of competition.
Yet, it’s not a fair comparison to Smith, because he really didn’t have to earn a contract gig in and out like musicians do on the Big Stage level. He isn’t Pete Best. He is luckier than Ringo, where Ringo influenced more music than Smith will football.
I seriously wish I had as charmed life as Alex Smith has had. For a guy who has done nothing at the level of his proffession, his bosses still, even while they struggle establishing a brand they screwed up, still believe in him despite seeing others play the position as it’s supposed to be played. It’s everybody’s dream and excuse to blame why they fail on the Boss.
“Alex, your sales numbers of the past 3 years are below projection. What do you think about this?”
“Well, it isn’t like you put me in a position to be a Pro Bowl player”
“OK, we’ll give you two more years to join Frank, Vernon, and Patrick”
“Sounds great to me”.
Bite my shiny metal sig
Well , Mudvayne say's it best ...!!
…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByQxAe88eTc
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
It’s more a case of him having an opinion which he is allowed to
by Andrew9erfan on Mar 1, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Well said!!!! +1
What will all these haters say when Alex finally pans out.By Finally I mean actually having a offensive minded coach w/ a playbook & everything. I know it’s always been Alex that’s why we have sucked horribly the last near decade it was also his fault we picked #1 that year in the draft it’s always his fault. Gimmie a break.!!!! It makes me wonder if most niner fans even know the game. I’m not saying he hasn’t had some fault but really, we have stunk from the top down. I can hear it already ………I knew Alex could do it the whole time. Yeah right!
by ninerfolife on Mar 1, 2011 12:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hmmm ...A large majority of 49er fans oppose Alex Smith returning to the 49ers in 2011, and this makes sense....
…. according to the poll , this is a another hodge podge of misconstrued statement’s, from one of our esoteric writer’s … Here’s what make’s sense , Harbaugh has studied him , watched film of him , worked out with him , and has meet with him on numerous occasion’s , and want’s him as his Qb , he has nothing to gain from his statement’s on Smith , if anything he may have alienated himself from the uneducated fan’s that believe that the last Eight year’s fall’s on said individual …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
I put everything Harbaugh is saying about Alex Smith in context
- there is a strong likelihood of a work stoppage and freezing of free agent signings. If that work stoppage continues into the late summer, the only chance the ‘niners have of fielding any sort of competitive offense probably relies on having a QB familiar with the rest of the talent, i.e. Alex Smith. Even if they get a FA when a new CBA is agreed to (July/August at the earliest is my guess) the odds of that FA being able to learn a new system and learn his teammates so late in the game will make it less likely that he’ll be an obvious improvement over Smith. Kolb? unproven. McNabb? Fading talent. Hasselback done, Palmer not himself since knee blowout… Harbaugh has proven himself to be a very smart guy when it comes to communicating through the press. None of us should presume to know what he’s really thinking, but in the context of the current labor situation, and uncertainty about the FA market, his stated desire to keep Alex Smith might just be the smartest thing he could do to preserve any hope for a competent offense in ‘11. And I think it also speaks to Harbaugh’s commitment to winning over his ego – a less secure coach would never want to hang on to the previous regime’s failed QB – I like that winning is more important to him than making a statement.
- I would bet they’re going to take a CB or LB in the first round, and a QB Harbaugh can develop in the 2nd or 3rd. That implies that whoever they draft at QB will not be game ready for this season, and would in all likelihood benefit from playing behind a veteran who, if nothing else, has a good work ethic and a good brain – again, in that context, Alex Smith makes sense.
For the record, I am not an Alex Smith fan nor am I a hater. Been on the fence about him all along. But looked at in the current context, placing a priority on putting an offense out there that has a prayer of being effective, I get what he’s doing and support it. Especially since I believe it’ll be a two year stint at most, at which point the new QB will drop the clipboard and take over. My biggest concern is not that Harbaugh wants to keep him – it’s that there is no way Alex Smith would consider it. Given the amount of crap he’s taken (much of it earned) why in the world would he stay? Unless he believes Harbaugh can be the difference maker in his career, I don’t see it happening and given that, we all better hope the CBA gets done soon enough for Baalke and Harbaugh to bring in a competent QB to mange the transition.
there is a new system coming in with harbaugh.
there will be very little difference from any other free agent coming in compared to alex smith.
shaun hill experience and has a higher winning percentage than alex smith with the niners.
rather have free agent shaun hill than alex smith.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Mar 1, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry....
Call me biased, I am an unabashed “Saint” Alex hater, but, from a fan and organization standpoint, I say no. Look, as lovely as all your stats about Alex having the best 2 years of his rathe pedestrian career so far, (and for me that’s bein nice….) I would rather scrap that whole train wreck and start from scratch. Look, we as a team and its fans deserve rto see what other options there are instead of simply looking down at the dirt and figuring we can’t do any better. We have had to do it before. We can do it again. As for Harbaugh, If he is as good a QB guru as you have statistically proven he is, then he can take newer, raw materials such as Nate Davis, who hasn’t touched the field or Trouy Smith a kid who at this point really has nothin BUT upside. The reason for my saying this……Physically neither has been beaten into submission by injuries, and 2. Like it or not…..TROY WON GAMES! Alex didn’t. With the same team, the same receivers, the same offensive line and the same offensive scheme. Many took Troy’s emotional breakdown on the sidelines as a sign of weakness in the face of “Samurai” Mike’s verbal barrage. I looked deeper. He didn’t shed tears because he was scared, ashamed or intimidated by his coach……he cryed because he felt like he was letting his team nad his coach down. Period. The people that mean so much to him that even in the face of defeat, he was giving every game, every snap his all. Moreover, everyone needs to give Troy some slack. He conducted himself like he has been a Niner for years. But, the truth is, he was only brought to the team in wk 4 and didn’t start till wk 7-8. Only 3-4 wks of prep before he’s asked to right a ship that has gone WAY off course with a Captain that’s been here too long.
If this doesn’t chanfge your mind, consider this…..think of poor Alex. He’s in a no win situation. If he does well, it’s because he finally took to a great coach. And with the team that’s there, he should. If in fact he falls on his face AGAIN…..the mob will surely storm his home, drag him kicking and screaming onto ther bridge, and hang him deftly from the highest spanning wire they can reach. Niner fans are a spoiled lot after Young and Montana. Alex up to this point hasn’t come anywhere near these expectations. Let’s give the poor guy a chance to start his career anew in a place where he isn’t called upon to chase legends, or be something he simply isn’t. The savior of a franchise.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Against sorry ass teams, Troy won games
Then as soon as somebody figured out he stinks in the pocket he lost. TO THE RAMS IN A MUST WIN GAME. No upside anymore.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
A win is a win is a win!
And he had more than Alex. Period. I care less how you try to cover for ther guy, Alex did’t really progressed anymore than he has since he got here. Yes, I agree, statistically he was a “Beast”.(?) However, for a team that ran the bell for a considerable amount of their offensive possessions, it’s easy to have gaudy numbers when you hit check downs to the backs and 5 yd outs to the TE’s.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
How do you know what was going on in Troy’s head?
by Andrew9erfan on Mar 1, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Darkstar/ minus(-) 0ne Thousand 1,000
What in the WORLD are you talkin about!!!
by ninerfolife on Mar 1, 2011 12:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If I have to explain my response anymore than it is....
I would simply be wasting my breath. Boiled down, for the betterment of the Niners as team and Alex as a player…..he needs to leave San Francisco.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
I'm an A. Smith fan and I say only if we HAVE to
Basically, I like the guy, I wish him every success but frankly I think it is better for the 9ers and Alex Smith if he finds some new playmates…
…UNLESS…
we are in a situation where the proven QB coach appeals to the fans to give him another chance because he genuinely likes what he see and can work with it – has to say it to the fans though and not just some half-arsed statement about potential.
…UNLESS…
the CBA situation leaves us otherwise in a hole
…UNLESS…
the 9ers goes all out for a guy they like next year ie Luck, pass on all the ’who’s least bad out of this years draft class’ which is what it seems like it has become, and want someone to show Luck what dedication to a cause is even if its lost and everyone hates you.
A Smith has balls of brass if he returns and I will mancrush him all the more but I think he might want a change of scene as much as we want one!
Bring Alex back on a one year deal
Let Coach Harbaugh work with him and try to get him to the level everyone expected when he was a first round pick in 2005. I still think Smith can be a good NFL QB or even better IF he has some truly good coaching, which he has not had since he was drafted except for the one season with Norv Turner that was marred by injury.
But also draft Colin Kaepernick, QB from Nevada in the 3rd round and let him learn the WCO while he watches Harbaugh coaching Smith in the pro game and the WCO system.
His season with Norv was all healthy
He went from 1 TD and 11 INTs to 16 and 16 as a second year starter on a still horrible team. A good coach can make Alex great.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
I sure as hell do
Kaepernick is the only high level starter I see in this draft.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Um the fact that he runs a 4.53, is tall, intelligent, accurate and has a rocket arm
That makes him a potential high level starter. I left out Locker who is the only other guy with a high ceiling.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
We could but that would be ridiculous
He would be making 16 million a year.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
wouldn't feel so bad though....
we did make him take a pay cut……and i feel bad that he got booed to the bejesus
lol
we made him take a pay cut because he wasn’t worth the money fifty million dollars we’d already paid him.
by asmithisaverage on Mar 1, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
We hadn't payed near that.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
to use franchise tag on AS is a horrible idea...
You’re better of w/ free agency & draft than to be paying 16mil to a QB that has shown glimplises that he can play the position. I mean Peyton Manning just got franchised. Moral is AS is not worth Peyton Manning $$$
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Mar 1, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
he's obviously not manning, peyton nor eli
but AS is our best option if this cba drags on.
I feel that I’ve given Alex Smith enough chances. The guy stinks. I’m ready to watch someone else, even if they stink, too.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 1, 2011 12:02 PM PST reply actions
understood
but i want to win and bringing in one of these other vets with no prep time gives us a less chance to win. I love my niners and I miss some good football. I would love to see AS back and work with JH and win a superbowl, just so you could eat your words……jk, you are a little harsh on Alex. Go niners!
Should be pointed out
Alex would get as much prep time as any vet QB brought in. Of course this sets up Alex Excuse 7.0, he wasn’t given a full camp under Harbaugh … you watch I knew Alex could do it the whole time.
totally get it, but he knows our guys already.....
but who knows, maybe we just need somebody else in to light a fire under there butts. I soo badly want to win a superbowl soon!!! I don’t think Alex is bad as his rap, not the guy we thought he was going to be but better than alot.
You want Cam Newton or Mallett to come in and try to learn Harbaugh's 300 play playbook?
Then actually adapt to the NFL level at the same time?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Of course not
But the constant stigma on Alex Smith is he doesn’t adapt to systems quickly. I find it curious how people use the short prep time of a potential lockout to justify bringing Alex back. According to his reputation he’s not a QB you want to throw into the fire.
it's not
just on him to adapt to the system. he’s actually probably the most capable because of his high intelligence. the problem has been that there has been a new coordinator each year. alex isnt the only one asked to adapt. it’s the line, receivers, backs, etc which is why so many times there was miscommunication and people ran the wrong routes etc etc
I love people who think they know more than Harbaugh about QBs
You all must have 16 years of NFL QB experience and a family history and life long contribution to the game of football.
Opinion is great and its why we are here, but if Harbaugh somehow gets Alex to stay here then we should be so lucky.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
by goatfather on Mar 1, 2011 12:14 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Perfectly stated goatfather!!!
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by ninerfolife on Mar 1, 2011 12:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
sigh
Like you or anyone else doesn’t question coaching decisions despite the apparent contrast in their NFL experience to your zero. Any more strawman arguments you’d like to share in this thread?
thiink you're missing the point
It,‘s not that we shouldn’t question coaching ever. It’s just a little funny that everyone was going on about how harbaughis a qb gurubut theb change their tune as soon as he starts supporting smith.
by Andrew9erfan on Mar 1, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Who changed their tune?
I should point every coach that has come to SF supported Alex Smith. All of them have come in blowing the same smoke and all were blown out of town with the same results.
Oh they were?
Every coach? Seems to me like Norv didn’t get blown out of town. Or maybe you mean every head coach.
Like asshole Nolan or moron Singletary. What other head coaches were there?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
You sorta made my point
Says you can’t argue with Harbaugh yet Nolan is an asshole and Singletary a moron. According to goatfather’s statement you can’t argue with those two either because they have more NFL experience than you or I.
it’s the fact that Harbaugh is known as a QB guy and that’s why we wanted him. singletary and nolan were both DEFENSIVE minded coaches. so, we should support Harbaugh if he wants to keep smith or wants to get rid of him. i’ll take his judgement over mine and anyone else’s on this discussion board, no offense
Again, who changed their tune?
Believing Harbaugh is a QB guru and not believing Alex Smith can QB can be mutually exclusive. Certainly others have taken the opposite statement saying Nolan/Singletary cannot coach while blessing their choice to play Alex at QB.
I don't know why he'd want to risk his reputation immediately on a known bust
by asmithisaverage on Mar 1, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Your opinion, not a fact. I think he’s been average the last two seasons. Given that and the free agent and draft prospects, we might need a stop gap at qb. He could fill that roll. With the cba as it is, considering him as an option just seems like he’s being smart and covering all his bases
My opinion?
It is by the statistics, wins/losses and draft position. Objectively Alex Smith is a bust, or as my name indicates at best he is average.
As a stop-gap I’m sure he can be mediocre but why does Harbaugh want to waste a year on a known quantity? My guess is that this just the right thing for the organization to do while looking for other options (hint: JJ).
by asmithisaverage on Mar 1, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
I could but the current name is still accurate (at best)
by asmithisaverage on Mar 2, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
average qbs = bust
Unless your Trent Dilfer and can hide behind a Superbowl.
by asmithisaverage on Mar 3, 2011 5:13 AM PST up reply actions
that doesn't make any sense
Bust means you don’t play anymore because you busted your out, finished, done, bagging groceries. Bust does not mean you have the potential to start for years to come. And bust certainly does not consist in starting 6 years after your drafted.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
Which average QB would you start for the next five years?
Do we really need to have this silly debate?
And bust certainly does not consist in starting 6 years after your drafted.
That’s just a reflection of the awful job we have done trying to find someone better.
by asmithisaverage on Mar 3, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
at best so far
yes he is average. many qbs didn’t reach their peak until much older that 26… he may not have reached his full potential and harbaugh could see that
qbs who peak after 26
have not been starters for nearly their entire career to date. Find me one who fits the Alex Smith model.
by asmithisaverage on Mar 3, 2011 5:14 AM PST up reply actions
So...
Smith’s ceiling is “Stopgap” with a supposed guru in Harbaugh? Is that what you’re saying?
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by drummer on Mar 1, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
why is Harbaugh a guru?
Just general question: why is JH a qb guru? I don’t know who he has developed, yet. I think we may exaggerate his abilities because he is an unknown too.
by mcwagner on Mar 1, 2011 3:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It's fair to say...
that he understands that position very well, yet using Gannon as an example is a reach due to Gannon already playing lights out before Harbaugh was employed in OAK (his MVP season IMO was due to having Rice and Garner), and Johnson lighting up the Pioneer conference and beating Nellie the Dolphin’s team isn’t Tedford having two of his former QB’s win Super Bowls. Luck is the only tangible evidence that we have.
Bite my shiny metal sig
Every QB Harbaugh has coached has overwhelmingly beat expectations
We needed a coach who could find us a franchise QB and that’s the primary reason he was hired.
I’m not saying it needs to happen in 2011 but it would be a big disappointment if we didn’t make progress this year.
by asmithisaverage on Mar 1, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
The problem is, I don’t think any of the fa qbs are any better and if we’re only looking for a stop gap, I don’t want to waste draft picks trading for someone. But if we do end up trading for someone right before the season starts and still have a whole lot of nothing at qb due to the cba issue, other teams will know how desperate we are and take adcantage of it with trades.
well put
I don’t care who our qb is, I just want to kick ass and make all of the league respect us again. I want them to be scared. We have soo much potential and it just seems like our FO is getting it right this time. Alex may or may not be our boy, but in JH I trust. Go niners with or without Alex!!!!
We agree on this.
Harbaugh is a QB that excelled at the intricacies of the position and not the physical side of things. He knows how to get the most out of guys.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
With no other good options
Why not Alex. Hes got the talent and would be in his perfect system finally. What if he comes back and puts up top 10 numbers. All the Smith haters are gunna come back and say they saw that coming all along. I know im in the .001% of people that are big Smith fans. I love the guy. Just the thought of him starting and winning for another team would piss me off so much
smith looked better in shotgun than under center
He is not a west coast qb. Not saying he can’t become one eventually, but it’ll take some time.
by wtlichens on Mar 1, 2011 12:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Question to everyone
how many years did Alex get 1) Full preseason with reps as #1 QB & 2) Started the entire season?
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
Can't you make the argument for Nate Davis
Or any non established starting QB can make this argument.
We’re talking potential starters here not scrubs. If you aren’t drafted high you usually have to earn a shot. Nate regressed in preseason.
by Andrew9erfan on Mar 1, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Did you read his question?
He’s basically saying you can’t judge Alex unless he’s the front runner in camp, wins the starting jobs and manages to hold onto the role the entire season avoiding injury and/or getting benched. Sorta ignores the opposite that he’s been given six bites at that apple and has only managed to accomplish that feat once in 2006.
so you are in fact counting his injured years as him failing then
by Andrew9erfan on Mar 1, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
Staying healthy is apart of being a good player. Three shoulder injuries, benched for poor play and inability to beat other QBs out in camp are all apart of the evaluation process. After six years it’s time to ask why hasn’t he been able to hold onto the starting position? Not has he been given the opportunity, he certainly has been given several opportunities.
whoa..
so the fact that Young and Aikman couldnt keep from being concussed, that dings them in the good player argument?
Not my statement
Are you making the statement Young and Aikman would have been good players if they didn’t have ongoing concussion issues?
no,
perhaps i misunderstood you, but i read:
“Staying healthy is apart of being a good player” and felt that it was too broad of a statement. Now getting hurt can prevent you from ever becoming a good player, if youre not able to play again, but getting hurt shouldnt be part of the evaluation process after the fact, as i thought you were stating.
Being an injury concern is apart of the evaluation
Alex has had more injury issues than Young and Aikman which has kept him off the field.
I'd agree with Gold'nRad here
Bob Sanders is a more current example. His injuries go to a team’s confidence in him staying healthy in the future, not evaluating his play in the past. Great safety, released because the Colts think he can’t stay healthy.
That’s how a player’s past injuries should effect his evaluation. You can’t say Alex was a better or worse QB because he was injured.
Saying he had 6 bites at the apple is just rediculous. If you said he’s had 4 bites at the apple and his past injuries make you doubt that he could stay healthy for an entire season, then I think you have a strong arguement.
To add to your point
In six years how many plays have we actually seen Alex make? How many times have we seen anything from him that makes us think, “Well you know, he’s had a crappy hand with the coaching staffs and OC changes, but THAT’S what they saw in him when they drafted him!”? The only reason we think he’s worth anything is because what others have said about him. We’ve seen zero evidence of this. For some reason most people here had written off Troy Smith last season, but I’d argue that we saw more plays and potential for growth in Troy in the STL game in SF, than we’ve seen in 6 years from Alex.
That’s not saying we should keep Troy at all. I am however saying Troy has shown us more playmaking ability than Alex. Which is to say Alex just stinks IMO. Just goes to my point that if a player has anything in him, a coaching staff or any other excuses will not hold him back. He should make a play at some point. Alex hasn’t done that in six years. I still support Harbaugh, just think he’s playing the cards he was dealt.
in answer to your question
I’ve seen quite a few times where he has actually looked really good. I’ve seen as many where he looked god aweful too
Correction
I don’t know that Alex’s perfect system is the WCO. If it is, then it will be because Harbaugh corrects his mechanical flaws and makes him more accurate on the timing and short routes.
1. Harbaugh is hedging bets in a horrible CBA/free agency environment that will probably hurt a lot of the mediocre and bottom feeder teams (gulp, us). The CBA may not get signed until midseason and if that happens, any QB, whether it’s Alex or Ponder, or Kolb, or Steve Young for a 1 year comeback, will be facing a huge learning curve. Why blow draft picks and trade assets if you’re going to get the same general poor results at QB?
2. Harbaugh is very confident, and probably a little cocky (that’s good). He believes he can take a disappointing pick like Alex and turn him into something winning. How winning, who knows?
Jim Harbaugh doesn't just WANT winners, he MAKES them!
Crappy coaching leads to a crappy team
Circumstances are going to “force” Harbaugh into coaching up maybe all three QBs: Smith, Smith and Carr.
The 49ers should then focus on the supporting cast in the first rounds and a QB with potential like Ponder, McElroy, Dalton or Potts in the middle rounds.
If the CBA resolves “in time”, they add yet another FA QB to the competition, then enter the season with the three best.
Recent accounts of Harbaugh’s abilities to evaluate QBs show that trust in those abilities is deserved.
Can’t franchise anyone now deadline for franchising came and went last week. Friday was the dead line I think, but it was last week for sure.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Mar 1, 2011 12:54 PM PST reply actions
In short - Yes
because there is 1 QB under contract. and his name is david carr.
if nothing else, alex takes his roster spot.
yup
sign Alex Smith
trade David Carr for Brady Quinn ( john fox liked Carr before)
sign Ricky Stanzi or Pat Devlin
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Interesting read
It has never been a secret I like Alex Smith, though I think I still have my feet on the ground (I simply think he is better than given credit for and could thrive under the right tutelage, but that doesn’t mean I think he is some hidden star). With that said, I expected Smith would be gone, but I always left open roughly a 30% chance of his return because of all of the variables (CBA, free agency, his own interest in returning, etc.), but particularly if the new coaching regime liked him. Well, that has taken place, so the chances do increase significantly.
Should he return? Well, we can debate that all day long, both from Alex’s perspective and the 49ers perspective. For Alex, can he handle the scrutiny? Maybe Harbaugh has sold the idea that winning will kill the scrutiny, and that he (Harbaugh) can make Smith a winner. Or Alex may want nothing to do with this franchise and fanbase anymore. Time will tell. As for the 49ers, I do think Smith is a viable option for one of the three quarterback spots. People act like his return means he is automatically the starter, but Harbaugh has made it clear the QBs will compete for the job. Smith would be one of the better backups in the NFL (and not at a high price), so I see no reason to say he doesn’t have a spot on this roster. Starting? That’s different, but if he earns it I believe in Harbaugh’s ability to put players in a position to succeed, therefor I would support it.
Btw nocal81, I found this funny: “A large majority of 49er fans oppose Alex Smith returning to the 49ers in 2011.” Yet I look at the poll and see 77% in support of Smith being an option for the 49ers. Not bustin’ your chops, just pointing it out. :P
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I like this argument much better
Better than telling me I simply cannot argue with Harbaugh’s judgment or Alex hasn’t been given the ample opportunity.
Haha. Yeah, we’re all entitled to our opinion to challenge anyone’s opinion, whether that is an advisable move or not (i.e. advisable would be challenging Paris Hilton on the theory of relativity; inadvisable would be challenging Albert Einstein on the same subject). And for the record, I’m not implying anything about you. I just felt like taking a shot at Paris Hilton. SHE R STOOPD
Alex has had a whole butt load of opportunity. Were they quality opportunities in the best of circumstances? Maybe not, but in the end he is responsible for his own performance regardless of circumstance.
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Polls...
seems like 90% of the Front Page posts have to have one attached that is more useless than accurate.
“Nedney Factor” has been lost here.
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ambiguous poll means that everyone can claim the poll supports their opinion
61% of all poll responders recognize that
option of beef or chicken
you don’t actually have to choose either and can still vote on the poll!
I dont care just win. Our schedule has us poised to pick top 5 anyway.
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by rlott#42 on Mar 1, 2011 2:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1
I don’t care who starts or don’t start on QB anymore! I just don’t know how many more preseasons of 49ers optimism I can take only to be disappointed by seasons end! Face it guys, we just haven’t been a good team for a while whether Alex Smith, Troy Smith, David Carr, Shaun Hill are starting. Part of the reason we stunk these past few seasons is from subpar talent but I think the biggest part of it is from subpar coaching (those 3rd and long draw plays that go for 2 yards still haunt me to this day). Clements biting on fakes and inability to stop screens are all correctable with good coaching. For these reasons, I don’t care if Harbaugh brings back AS or BlackSmith, or even DCarr! As long as they win us some playoff games and eventually a superbowl I don’t care if mutha’ lovin’ Ryan Leaf or Tim Couch starts!
Bottom line is, the quarterback takes a disproportional amount of credit or blame for wins and losses in team games just as people like a mayor is blamed or credited for the success or failure of a city when there are a ton of other factors involved. Fans are fickle people. If you win they will love you. If you lose they will hate you. Just look at the Boston Celtics head coach Doc Rivers and compare what people said about him a few years ago when they were down to now when they’re competing for multiple championship. Even supposed “experts” are subject to this: http://dimemag.com/2008/02/doc-rivers-is-brilliant/ My attention is not on AS but on Harbaugh and the FO because THEY are the ones that make the final decisions.
top 5 pivk
I’m pretty sure it’s in jh’s contract that he is allowed to pretty much do whatever to get luck next year(besides trading Patrick Willis and Patrick Peterson(keeping fingers crossed)). If we had a top 5 if shouldn’t be too bad to jump up to 1…that’s why we should load up on depth this year, maybe 1 qb(kaepernick please), but definitely cb and 1 other db, a couple of o lineman, 1 d lineman, and I would pick probably to lb’s too
by texasniner06 on Mar 1, 2011 4:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
top 5 pick
I’m pretty sure it’s in jh’s contract that he is allowed to pretty much do whatever to get luck next year(besides trading Patrick Willis and Patrick Peterson(keeping fingers crossed)). If we had a top 5 if shouldn’t be too bad to jump up to 1…that’s why we should load up on depth this year, maybe 1 qb(kaepernick please), but definitely cb and 1 other db, a couple of o lineman, 1 d lineman, and I would pick probably to lb’s too
by texasniner06 on Mar 1, 2011 4:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Umm...
Gannon in OAK prior to Harbaugh was already posting great numbers, without Jerry Rice and Charlie Garner in 1999 and 2000. That’s kind of an important point that was left out.
Bite my shiny metal sig
hmmm
people keep saying the majority of niner fans hate smith, but everytime a poll is posted here on nn it seems that he is looked at favorably by most of the fans…either way i like smith, i like harbough, im ready to start over and see what he can do with a coach that actually knows how to be and coach a quarterback. Last thing we need is for alex to go to seatle and start being a beast.
It's hard to tell based off polls
I know there has to be a good percentage of the fan base that supports Alex. But you can also hear a stadium worth of boos for Alex after his 1st incomplete pass. A better description would be a significant portion of 49ers fans don’t want to see Alex Smith back at QB. Probably not a majority but a loud and recognizable minority.
Starting to get annoyed at all the "CBA forces Harbaugh's hand" comments
for the quarterback situation. With or without the CBA mess, Alex is STILL one of the best options we have. If we had free reign in trades and FA, I would still put Alex up there with any other top FA, and definitely above any trade options. The CBA is screwing quite a few teams, but among teams looking for a quarterback, the niners are in one of the better situations, as long as we can snag Smith for a contract. Thank God we’re not Cardinals fans, eh?
Agreement
I put “forces” in quotes to show that the CBA gives Harbaugh an opportunity to keep and coach up Alex, despite the frothy santorum of the anti-Smithers. I feel that crappy coaching has been the main problem for years and that with a good coach, Smith and the rest of the team will play up to potential. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Pretty much agree completely with nocal81...
However I just don’t have as much seething hatred for Smith as he seems to.
Atleast he puts it aside and thinks rationally, unlike some of the nuts on here.
I really dont hate Alex Smith
Besides that is an extremely strong word. However, I do believe that he has not been a successful NFL QB at this point, and Niner fans have the right to question whether or not he ever will be
Mila "Sweet Lips" Kunis, as stated by Scarlett Johansson. I couldn't agree more. Reverse would be true too!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 1, 2011 4:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I definitely agree.
Maybe it wasn’t hatred I sensed… Maybe it was just pessimism.
Cuz I’m on the same level as you, I just have less pessimism.
Maybe even a little optimism because his past two seasons have been his best and he’s 27.
I recognize the obvious has been established: He’s not going to be a ‘franchise QB’.
I tend to come more from a baseball perspective with how I tend to look at other sports… And qualifications like that for a baseball player, still gives that player upside.
Smith, I believe, still has upside… Regardless of his capabilities of becoming a franchise QB.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Mar 2, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
For all you that think Alex is Harbaugh answer you are not reading between the lines
Harbaugh has to say good things to get Alex incase the CBA is not worked out. He also would make an average back up. So Harbaugh is playing it safe. Now Is Alex gonna help us is the really question that no one can assure untill he begings to play in Reg season. I believe that Alex can be average at best. This is not what I want from my QB. We need to get Plamer and or McNabb for a few years to have a shot at playing in the playoffs for a run at the Lombardi. This way you can develop a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick to be the QBOTF.
Nope , Harbaugh doen't have to say sh!t , just like when asked about Troy Smith , not once has he committed on him ...
… your the one reading between the line’s …!!
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Jesus Christ... ALEX WAS BETTER THAN BOTH CARSON AND MCNABB
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No he wasn't.
McNabb? Yes. Palmer? He was close, but not better.
I’m with the point you’re making (he wasn’t all that bad), but I wouldn’t argue he was better than Palmer. Similar? Sure.
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"A large majority of 49er fans oppose Alex Smith returning to the 49ers in 2011"
Where are you getting this, because every poll i’ve seen, including on this site, and including in your post, seems to indicate the opposite..a large majority seem to be OK with it considering the nature of this offseason.
by ManBearPig21 on Mar 2, 2011 7:58 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Anyone who wants McNabb
Alex was better last year. I know that doesn’t take much but take a second to think about it; Smith, familiar with the team, and performed better last year? or McNabb, 3rd team in 3 years, trying to transition to a new organization for the 2nd straight offseason, and performed worse than Smith anyway?
LMAO!!!!!!!
Unbelievable! It is really hard for me to comprehend how many Niner fans are ok with having Alex Smith back. This guy is a straight LOSER. He is a big Pus_y, crybaby, moping, head hanging, interception throwing, non-leading, no fire having loser. Bottom line, this guy has had 5 too many chances already. He could have Harbough, Lombardi, Walsh, 85 bears defense, 89 Niners defense, and still go 8-8. Please wake the fu_k up people. Alex is a NERD! He SUCKS! In addition, I would like to know how many of you guys go to the actual games at Bill walsh Stadium? I go every game, and EVERYONE at the stadium HATES Alex Smith. I guarantee this, if he starts, TICKET SALES WILL BE DOWN, and the Niners will SUCK.
JG
Stadium is full of drunken idiots.
“We want Carr” my ass.
NEEEEEEERRRRRDDDD
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Mar 2, 2011 1:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
by the way
Ogre won a grammy for his role in Bloodsport
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
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