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Niners Nation After Dark: The "Value" Of The NFL Combine

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Welcome back to another evening of Niners Nation After Dark, where we celebrate the 2011 NFL Combine 24/7. If you're up this late and get the NFL Network channel, you can watch a replay of some of today's Combine coverage. Even more awesome is that you can go to nfl.com and rewatch ALL the combine coverage of the last three days. They'll have a live camera later today for cornerback drills, but for now you can go back and watch all the drills. If you wanna see monstrous offensive linemen running the 40-yard dash, head on over. If you want to see Stephen Paea break the bench press record, you can watch it there. Talk about an easy way to procrastinate the hours away!

The 2011 NFL Combine wraps up today with cornerbacks running their drills. Every year at the Combine we hear about how Player X is shooting up draft charts because of a strong workout. They ran a great 40, looked awesome in positional drills, and put together a great time in the 3-cone drill. We also hear about Player Y killing his draft stock because he looked a bit stiff in the hips during his positional drill or was slower than expected in the 40-yard dash.

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People complain about the NFL Combine and the information gleaned from the various drills. I do agree that we shouldn't put all our eggs in the Combine basket. After all, a guy like Vernon Gholston was a monster in workouts but has yet to make a significant impact in the NFL. At the same time, plenty of players have been overlooked at the Combine, only to end up making a huge impact in the NFL.

While we shouldn't get completely sucked in to the Combine, it's foolish to not factor in performance in these drills to at least some extent. The most basic reason for this is how prepared individuals are for the Combine. The NFL Combine is more or less the equivalent of a job interview. If a person does not appear to have prepared for the job interview, it shows they either don't care about the job, are lazy, or some combination of those. NFL teams want players that are passionate about football and willing to bust their butt to show their the best. If a player isn't willing to fully prepare for the NFL Combine and thus put together a great performance, how can they be expected to prepare themselves week in and week out in the NFL?

A second reason for placing value in the NFL Combine is that it's one more box to check in analyzing a player. A player can't show all their skills in positional drills at the Combine. However, a scout can get some kind of handle on characteristics like how stiff a player is in the hips. If a player struggles with his agility and movement in shorts and shirt, there would have to be some concern about his ability to improve in full pads and taking on world class talent.

And of course, finally if two players are even on a draft board after film breakdown, a faster 40 time or better work in the positional drills makes for a handy tiebreaker. Combine results shouldn't be the be-all, end-all, but that doesn't mean their value should be downgraded completely.

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Checking in for the first time in a whlie

First day of the semester today.
Hurt my neck when I woke up and I’ve been on painkillers all day long.

Haven’t seen any combine footage but I hear the WRs have put on a show.
I think there’s a ton of potential A. Johnson’s in this year’s draft

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Mar 1, 2011 12:09 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Stephen Paea is a strong man.

He has soul strength. He’s gonna push around a lot of Olinemen in the NFL

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Mar 1, 2011 12:15 AM PST reply actions  

Not Mike Iupati

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Mar 1, 2011 12:22 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Did you see the list of the other "top ten" most reps

Lots of names that didn’t make much of a dent. Soap was tied for 10th with 42.

wait til next year!

by Jaxson876 on Mar 1, 2011 6:33 AM PST up reply actions  

cornerback drills later today?

i can’t wait.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Mar 1, 2011 12:24 AM PST reply actions  

Totally agree, hoping I can see PP & Prince perform their drills before I have to head out for class

by Str8Balr on Mar 1, 2011 2:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

the wide outs were fun to watch

did julio jones really do all that at the combine with a broken foot ? c’mon Crabtree

nomoblckqbs

by DontForget on Mar 1, 2011 12:31 AM PST reply actions  

Seriously

Same injury and Jones didn’t just perform he dominated the combine. Had a screw put in his foot after all that domination.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 12:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Diego "Chico" Corrales

was also a stud and a tough tough bastard.

nnamdi asomugha prince amukamara 2011

by DontForget on Mar 1, 2011 1:08 AM PST up reply actions  

WORD

^5

I appreciate no quit, I’ll die for this shit – kinda guys

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 1:09 AM PST up reply actions  

A sub 4.4 forty

With a fractured foot! Are you kidding me?! That’s ridiculous! He’s moving up. I wouldn’t be mad snagging him if Peterson and Miller are off the board. Then we could move Crabs into the slot where he belongs and use Julio as our down field threat! That would be pretty sick. Although you do need a Qb to throw to these guys…

by CardinalOfficial on Mar 1, 2011 2:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Harbaugh is what Alex needs

Alex’s ceiling is Rich Gannon on the Raiders. Except for 8 or so years. With this team and a smart coach we can be dominant.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 2:39 AM PST up reply actions  

and also the bromance that is Trent Baalke and Jim Harbaugh

nomoblckqbs

by DontForget on Mar 1, 2011 12:39 AM PST reply actions  

um...

does your signature say what i think it says?

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Mar 1, 2011 12:42 AM PST up reply actions  

i'm fine with not wanting Cam Newton

but he doesn’t have to be racist about it.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Mar 1, 2011 3:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I know but I figured I'd make the joke anyways

Cause I really don’t want Cam.

Thank God PP and Jimmy Smith just brought the house down in the 40

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't understand his

but i love yours!

-Lazy fool- ;)

by zemd on Mar 1, 2011 1:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Is it just me

or did Marcell Dareus solidify himself as the number one defensive lineman in the draft

by Str8Balr on Mar 1, 2011 2:33 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Questionable...

Bowers didn’t perform because of the injury. Depends on his pro day. I had him below Fairley by a pretty significant amount before today. I think Fairley has more upside… But Dareus looks to be more an over achiever because he’s got better work ethic.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 2:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I can see that, the combine can only tell so much. I see dareus more athletic than fairly to be a possible fit for the new 3-4 scheme of the 49ers

by Str8Balr on Mar 1, 2011 3:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Marcell Dareus is known for taking plays off.

i wouldn’t call him an “over achiever”.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Mar 1, 2011 3:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Good point

Physically he overacheived at the combine though.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 1, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

careful, dude.

moving someone up in the rankings based on combine numbers is one of the leading causes of embarrassment on football sites.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Mar 1, 2011 3:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Very true that combine numbers are never the true face of a prospect, but at the same time I still feel dareus is one step closer to being the number one defensive lineman. Either way I’m on the patrick peterson bandwagon!

by Str8Balr on Mar 1, 2011 3:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

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