Golden Nuggets: Kevin Kolb Too Rich For My Blood
by James Brady on Mar 22, 2011 2:59 AM PDT
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It appears a team has already submitted a first round offer for Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Kevin Kolb. As you all know, I am not Kolb's biggest fan and there are many reasons for this, but what's important is that I do not believe him to be worth a first round pick, and Maiocco (and myself) is assuming that the 49ers agree with those sentiments, or at least that he's not worth a top-ten overall pick. Bummer, right? San Francisco will have to look elsewhere for its quarterback of the future, and I imagine it will be in the draft, potentially with a veteran coming in free agency to start for a year or so. Like I said before, the guy I'd make a call to first would be Chad Pennington, to see how his arm is holding up. I've still got a short list of other guys, but for now, let's move on to your linkage for the day.
Now, it's not expressly stated that he definitely is out of reach for the 49ers, just noted that it's unlikely they're willing to pay the reported price to get Kolb. I am hard on the guy, potentially unfairly at times, but there is no plane of existence in which he's worth the seventh overall pick. (CSNBayArea.com)
Ah yes, the 26-27-60 theory: always a good discussion point. Out of those quarterbacks listed, I like Ponder the most, with McElroy having solid potential in the right offense, which happens to be a West Coast Offense. McElroy, though, would probably require a lot more time sitting and learning than the other guys. Not surprised that Cam Newton only passes one of them, but it's not as though it's a reliable indicator. He's just not very good. (PressDemocrat.com)
Joe Nedney has some opinions regarding the proposed kickoff rule. I share his opinions, mostly in that I think it's the dumbest proposed rule change in recent memory and I would care significantly less about football if they changed it, mostly on principle. (SacBee.com)
Justin Smith and Joe Staley are organizing offseason workouts with fellow players, which I love. I'm totally for it and hope they continue, it shows they are serious. (SacBee.com)
Here's a piece I can't read right now (eight minutes left to post the Nuggets), but it's a piece on Jim Harbaugh from Sando, coming after he said that Harbaugh was one of the most dedicated guys in football the other day. So I'm assuming this piece about football making him tick is going to be a good read. (ESPN.com)
Path to the Draft: ACC Week (49ers.com)
Patrick Willis was nominated for the Madden NFL 12 cover, but I sincerely hope none of you vote for him. That curse is real. (Examiner.com)
Draft Spotlight: Anthony Castonzo (49ers.com)
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Chad Pennington tore his rotator cuff twice in the time it took to read this.
by JSing on Mar 22, 2011 4:15 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Kevin Kolb dropped his clipboard at the very least four times while sitting on the bench in the time it took you to come up with this.
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Pennington only dropped his once, largely because the arm that held it is still on the field.
by JSing on Mar 22, 2011 5:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I bet he can throw switch more accurately in a WCO than Alex or Kolb!
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Oh, absolutely
My Pennington bashing is in no way a declaration of support for either Kolb or Smith
by JSing on Mar 22, 2011 6:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If you bash him any harder, he'll end up on injured reserve.
Stop hurting my stopgap, please.
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Clay Matthews tires of this argument. He then concusses Kolb and knocks over Pennington’s wheelchair.
by mcwagner on Mar 22, 2011 7:17 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The most important part you forgot to include: Pennington still tossed it to Crabtree on a slant route before taking the QB hit from Matthews, and Crabs turned upfield for a 40-yard touchdown run.
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Pennington then attempts to raise both arms in celebration but both get dislocated. Kolb, as usual, is still on the bench.
by mcwagner on Mar 22, 2011 8:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Then we get Andy Lee to come out and kick the ball to receivers. I bet you he can kick a perfect spiral.
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Then it really would come down like a punt, coach.
Sorry Miami fans, don't Harbaugh a grudge on us.
by Nick Bays on Mar 22, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just going to rec the whole article for this thread
Ted Ginn realizes his potential and has great chemistry with his “quarterback”
by mcwagner on Mar 22, 2011 9:09 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Kolb
Although your dislike for Kolb’s play really does baffle me, I agree with the sentiment that he in no way shape or form is worth a 1 round pick!!! The eagles have to be bluffing…I just dont see teams at this point in the season giving up a first to have Kolb.
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Mar 22, 2011 5:46 AM PDT reply actions
I’ve went over it before, and will do so again, don’t you worry!
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and youre probably right on Pennington too
Much rather have him for the next 2 years than Kolb.
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Mar 22, 2011 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Today's Nuggets were written while listening to ...
Portugal. The Man’s “The Dead Dog”. Link here.
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You mean like how Fooch pushes his Bieber agenda on us?
by mcwagner on Mar 22, 2011 7:29 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I share sentiments on Kolb in that he's really unproven.
He’s proved that he can play well, at times, and then play completely out of that “character” other times. Suppose same could be said for a lot of guys but in the limited sample-size we have on Kolb, he doesn’t inspire the “surefire franchise QB” moniker, to me.
Still, I often wonder if knowing anything at all about the kid and what you’re getting (even if that knowledge is that he’s an as-of-yet inconsistent NFL QB) may actually be worth more than the risk you get with a drafted QB. You can see tape of Kolb being a capable signal-caller, at times. The rest of them you have to imagine it.
I wouldn’t give up an early first for Kolb though. I’d trade back into bottom third of 1st round and see if anyone else pulls the trigger on him, with Ponder as my fall-back option. Not a bad place to be sitting.
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Well, I relented awhile back and have actually always said I’d make a phone call about Kolb – as the QB GM, appointed by you, I would have done my due diligence, but anything more than a third and fourth is too rich for my blood.
And that situation isn’t a bad one, still think the 49ers would be better served to get a number one corner (Peterson, Amukamara) or pass-rusher, with the talent at quarterback potentially available in the second round.
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I agree, more a matter of what JH thinks of Kolb
If he sees a guy who can come in and take us to the promised land, if Kolb is the guy JH hand-picked as the franchise and he has all the faith in the world in him, really wants him…then the above is what I’d do, or use the 2nd and something else maybe if that would do it.
So much of this is going to depend on JH’s assessment of the QB’s available, or potentially available to us. If he’s locked on tight to a guy with no one else close in his mind, we could see something unpredictable.
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I don’t like unpredictable! I’ll take boring and expected, thanks very much. Like the 49ers 2010 offense.
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you wont like Harbaugh's offenses then.
No more knowing exactly which play is coming based on formation
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Personally loved that formation where the slot receiver went into motion to one side, then did that awkward moonwalk back to behind the guard to block on a run, that went the same way every time and was literally the most predictable play I’ve ever seen.
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I think it actually worked the first time and we had like a 17-yard gain. It never did after that.
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Exactly.
It blows my mind that they kept using it even though the casual fan could see it coming from 10 miles away.
My knowledge of 49ers offenses pre-1980 is VERY limited, but the Jimmy Raye/Singletary offense has to one of, if not the worst in the teams history, right? I honestly think many of us here on NN could have run a better, less predictable offense.
I actually think the Harbaugh Walsh connection is overplayed.
How much can you learn from a guy in 9 months? Even if it is the Genius?
Harbaugh earned his stripes as a QB and a college head coach. I don’t know how much his offense will resemble Walsh’s WCO.
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I doubt it will much. We will see more timing routes and things of that nature, but the biggest thing here is the fact that someone capable will be running it. There will be adjustments when something isn’t going right, there will be gameplans for specific teams and players, there will be variety and motion, things of that nature. It will be a power running attack that knows when to throw the ball.
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Wait, there will be gameplans?
Maybe there is a connection with Walsh after all!
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I'm literally thanking god that we arent giving away our pick for Kolb.
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by manraj7 on Mar 22, 2011 7:23 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Ab-so- fraking - lutely
That would be the bomb!
3 step drop double reads and looking off the safety / Linebacker and chucking it 35yrds dead on for a TD . . . oh sorry thats just an average play for Mark Grieb!
It could be.
But it isn’t the average day for Kolb.
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by manraj7 on Mar 22, 2011 9:42 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
49ers should sign Mark Grieb.
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Who?
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by manraj7 on Mar 22, 2011 7:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Quarterback for the San Jose SaberCats, one of the top five quarterbacks in AFL history. Probably as frail as Hasselbeck and Pennington, though.
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Hop Alex you aren't on the team. Does this mean something?
The group is likely the same one that had been showing up regularly at the team’s facility beginning in February. According to a team spokesman, that group included Staley, Smith, guard Adam Snyder, guard Chilo Rachal, defensive end Ray McDonald, defensive end Isaac Sopoaga (after he returned from a trip to Samoa), outside linebackers Parys Haralson and Thaddeus Gibson and quarterback Alex Smith.
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by manraj7 on Mar 22, 2011 7:30 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Exactly. They kind of force him to come along, as an act of contrition.
For every bad pass that Smith threw in his career as a 49er, McDonald, Sopoaga, J. Smith, Gibson and Haralson line up across from Staley, Snyder and Rachal and go at them to try and get Smith.
Protip: the defense wins.
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I was going along the lines that he will be a niner this year.
All of the Niners I talked to want him back.
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by manraj7 on Mar 22, 2011 7:46 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope the Niners vote no on the kick off rule.
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by manraj7 on Mar 22, 2011 8:08 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
So does Ted Ginn!
And any return man that wants to justify his status as a #1 pick!
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Kolb is whatever
As much as I hate Alex Smith I dont think Kolb is any better…and hes way more expensive……
I just now noticed your username. Awesome.
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no first round pick for Kolb.
I dont’ get that at all. Not enough game experience/proof to give that up for him. Make a play for Palmer – he wants to play on the west coast. Mike Brown has to eventually see that breaking his rule and making a deal – i.e., actually getting something for Palmer – is better than letting him “retire” and getting nothing for him. If they can’t get Palmer – here it comes haters – I’d be ok if Harbaugh signs A Smith. I have to believe that with better QB coaching and better game-planning, Smith can be the stop-gap QB for a year until the QB “project” is ready to be thrown into the fire.
Just in case you folks happen to care yet. If not, you will start.
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The article re 26-27-60 is TERRIBLE!
It’s a total misapplication of the Lewin Career forecast. It has predictive power ONLY for QBs taken in the first two rounds. And the 27 starts isn’t just some number — it reflects the assumption that you need at least two seasons of game film to accurately appraise college QBs.
That SI article is ridiculous. The author obviously has no idea where this “rule” comes from. It was first discussed in the 2006 Pro Football Prospectus. It’s been refined and expanded upon by Florida Danny, our own stats guru here at Niners Nation. Branch really dropped the ball here.
I think you’re way off in understanding the article at all. Branch doesn’t try to apply it, more so he just brings it up for discussion.
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No, it's pretty awful...
He misidentifies the origin of the “rule” and totally misapplies it as a result. For example, Dalton and McElroy probably won’t be taken on the first day of the draft, so it’s misleading to even mention them. I also have no idea why the “rule” incorporates Wonderlic scores when there’s ZERO evidence they correlate with success.
There are more variations. He’s just taking a look at an iteration as described by the origin he links. We just disagree.
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by James Brady on Mar 22, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
No disrespect...
…but this is not an example of reasonable disagreement. The Lewin Career Forecast is based on solid statistical analysis. The 26-27-60 “rule” is just a clumsy rip-off by some dude at SI. Notice how most of the QBs Branch lists as exceptions actually prove the rule if you lower the threshold Wonderlic score by just 1 point. The whole discussion is ridiculous…
That's actually defining disrespect. Opinions are just that, opinions.
You disagree with mine, but you’re also devaluing it. You can think whatever you want, the article was an enjoyable read for me that should not be taken nearly as seriously as you’re taking it.
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by James Brady on Mar 22, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
lolwut?
I alwys respect your opinion, James. I’m glad you enjoyed the article, and I don’t mean to piss on you for linking it. I always appreciate your hard work putting together the Nuggets.
But this isn’t a disagreement of opinion. The article purports to discuss a statistic, yet the dicsussion makes no sense from a statistical perspective. That’s an objective flaw.
The article purports to lightly go over one methodology, that’s all.
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by James Brady on Mar 22, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
They passed the kickoff rule. I am so pissed off right now, that I won’t be preparing a post about it, because it will just be me swearing over and over. They’ve just eliminated the kick return, and before anybody tells me otherwise, it’s very simple.
They want safety, so they move it up, because moving it up creates more touchbacks, and more touchbacks obviously mean less kick returns. They’re eliminating it altogether. Absolute garbage.
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*screams in rage while shaking fists
What are they doing to football? The game is growing and getting more popular by the year… And they just tear its heart out. Special teams is one of the most important parts of the game. The Chicago Bears made the Superbowl based on a special teams game with one of the most exciting players in NFL history. I am really upset with this. I’m downright p****d off.
by mcwagner on Mar 22, 2011 10:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep, absolute crap.....
At the very least, they didn’t eliminate the two-man wedge and move touchbacks to the 25 yard line. Moving the touchbacks up would just be blatantly saying, “we want more offense.” It’s already easy enough for a team to go 80+ yards in 60 seconds.
by 9thevolution on Mar 22, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
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That all sounds fine ... Wait ... what? DROWSINESS? Lame.
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by James Brady on Mar 22, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Saw the 49ers voted for the new rule....sad
Though it makes sense since we were close to the worst for the past couple years.
On the (only?) bright side, it’s good for a bathroom break without the worry of missing any excitement while drinking beer at the game.
What are you talking about kneel downs are super exciting.
Will he use the right leg or the left.
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WHOO! HOOO!!!
No more of this Corn on the KOLB nonsense. Sure am glad my team didn’t get suckered into this scrub. Please sign Alex!! Oh yeah!!!
by ninerfolife on Mar 22, 2011 10:33 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Yup,
I’d only give a 3rd for Kolb, but I’d still rather have Kaep with the 3rd anyway.
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by wellnesscoach on Mar 22, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Kaepernick will probably go in the second.
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by James Brady on Mar 22, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
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