San Francisco 49er Player Personnel And The WCO, Part III: A Look At The Draft.
My first two installments of this series looked at players currently on the 49ers roster and how they translate to the WCO. We had a nice amount of conversation Wednesday in regards to Alex Smith, and whether or not he fits the WCO.
Today, I will turn my focus to the draft, and how some players may fit into Jim Harbaugh's new offensive style. Below I will look at the skill position players that I believe would fit best into the new system. There will be no rhym or reason to my madness as I will focus on players all over the draft board. The reason that I decided to do this is because that the specific scheme the 49ers will run in 2011 eliminates some top prospects. For example, the 49ers will most likely look at the RB position, however, Mark Ingram doesn't seem like a great fit and the 49ers have no reason to draft a RB in the first round. Consequently, San Francisco is looking for a quarterback but the likes of Cameron Newton and Ryan Mallett do not seem to be great fits.
As I have indicated in previous segments, it is possible to find mid-late round steals that fit well into the WCO. In my opinion even more so than in any other offensive system in the NFL. Reason being is the fact that few teams run the WCO, and some players fit better into that scheme than into others. The 49ers have a heralded history of finding such players over the course of the last 30 seasons.
1979: QB- Joe Montana 3rd Round
1979: WR- Dwight Clark 10th Round
1983: RB- Roger Craig 2nd Round
1986: WR- John Taylor 3rd Round
1986: FB- Tom Rathman 3rd Round
1985 Brent Jones Picked up off waivers from the Pittsburgh Steelers
1991: RB- Ricky Watters 2nd Round
All of the players listed above were passed up by other teams on multiple occasions, and if it wasn't for the majority of them San Francisco would not have won all the Super Bowls that they did. Accordingly, some of the players would not have been great fit in other style offenses. San Francisco probably got lucky with some of these players dropping to them in the specific rounds in which they were drafted; but the strategy worked out perfect.
Below I am going to take a look at a few players from each skill position that I believe best fits what the 49ers are attempting to do on offense. Please keep in mind that I am not saying that these are the best overall players at each position; rather, they are the ones that I believe specifically fit the 49ers system. For example, I am not coming to the conclusion that Greg McElroy will be a better professional quarterback than Colin Kaepernick. However, I am saying that McElroy fits the 49ers better. CBS Sportsline has one of the most in-depth ranking systems that I can find on that net. Accordingly, you will find where they rank each player in parenthesis following their names.
Quarterbacks
Blaine Gabbert, Missouri(10): Gabbert has great accuracy in the intermediate routes (7-12 yards). He doesn't have the greatest arm, but that isn't really a pre-requisite for the WCO. However, obviously it wouldn't hurt. I really like Gabbert's pocket presence and ability to put the ball on the numbers. I do have my worries about him coming out of a college type spread offense that only runs a one read system. That said, I have seen enough of him to believe that he could work on that at the next level. However, spending a top 10 pick on a project that will not start immediately is a risky proposition. As much as I do like Gabbert and the prospect of him fitting into the WCO, I hope that the 49ers take a pass on him; although it wouldn't be the end of the world if they did draft him depending on how the draft plays out before the 7th pick.
Jake Locker, Washington(23): I think that CBS Sportline has Locker a bit too high at this point. Many other news outlets have him projected as a 2nd round pick; a top 30 pick would be too high for Locker at this point. I do believe, however, that if the 49ers had an opportunity to pick up Locker in the 2nd round (unlikely) they would seriously have to consider drafting him. Locker fits great into the WCO, he has the athleticism to get outside the tackles on roll-outs, has good accuracy on the passes needed in this style offense, and is a gutsy performer. If you were to compare any player in the draft to Steve Young, it would be Locker. We have to understand that Locker did not have much talent around him at Washington, and this had to affect his stats. If the 49ers are to draft a QB in the early rounds this season, I believe that Locker should be the man.
Andy Dalton, Texas Christian(61): He may be the most pro-ready QB in the entire draft, yes the entire draft. One problem I see with Dalton is his inexperience in terms of reading defenses, running the spread offense at Texas Christian, he didn't have to read certain defensive schemes that he will have to read running the WCO. The spread offense relies on getting the ball to play-makers on the outside and in the open field. Running the WCO will require Dalton to read umbrella coverages, two deep zones, and multi-faceted blitzes. That said, Dalton seems like an intelligent between the hashes individual that could pick up on the reads rather quickly. I absolutely love the touch he puts on the ball, and his accuracy that is needed in running the 49ers scheme. If the 49ers have an opportunity to pick up Dalton in the 3rd round, I believe it would be a nice fit.
Greg McElroy, Alabama(169): Not the most flashy quarterback in the draft, that distinction goes to Cameron Newton. However, flashiness doesn't always equal success; see Jeff George and Ryan Leaf. What McElroy does have that other quarterbacks in the draft don't have is the intangibles to step right in and be a successful pro style signal caller. His learning curve will not be as great as others that will be drafted much higher, and McElroy does indeed fit the WCO nicely. You are not going to see him throw 60 yard bombs on a rope, or drill in a 20 yard pass like Tony Romo. But, what you will see is intelligence, a strong understanding of the game, a broad range of accuracy, and passion for the game. Look, McElroy will not be drafted higher than the 5th round, and the 49ers would be well suited to take a flyer on him in the later rounds.
Running Backs
Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State(59): Hunter finished the 2010 season with over 1,500 yards rushing for the Cowboys. He didn't have a great college career on the receiving end, but that seems to be more indicative of the type of offense Oklahoma State ran than anything else. A good NFL comparison to Hunter would be Darren Sproles of the San Diego Chargers. Hunter is only 5 foot, 8 inches and weighs less than 200 pounds, so questions to his durability are sure to come up as we get closer to the draft. That said, I really like the way he runs downhill and has the ability to break the big play. From what I have seen and read about Hunter is that he does have the ability to catch the ball out of the back-field. The one major concern I would have with him is his ability in pass protection.
Daniel Thomas, Kansas State(72): Much bigger of a back than Kendall Hunter, and more of your prototypical WCO running back. This is what I mean by rankings not meaning everything in regards to who the 49ers should look at to fit their scheme. Daniel Thomas at 228 pounds is more than capable of shouldering the load in the future. Additionally, his 52 receptions in two seasons with the Wildcats is another plus. However, as is the case with most running backs coming out of college, blocking is an issue. Carson Coffman, Kansas State's starting QB, was sacked a total of 24 times; and had a lot of pressure put on him in multiple games. I saw Thomas pull an Anthony Dixon more times than once during the season in whiffing on incoming pass rushers. That said, he does have the athletic ability to improve on that facet of his game.
Shane Vereen, California(92): It is pretty clear where I stand on Shane Vereen and how he fits into the 49er system. I honestly believe that he will end up turning into an every down all-pro type running back in the NFL. Adding to this is the fact that he fits perfectly into the WCO. Vereen has 65 career receptions in three seasons with the Golden Bears, this with a quarterback, Kevin Riley, who was extremely inaccurate in the short passing game. Additionally, I saw Vereen break many short screens into large gains. One of the major things that I like about Vereen is his outstanding ability in pass protection, something you rarely see in a running back coming out of college; especially as a Junior. Riley was sacked only 13 times in 2010, and that has a lot to do with Vereen's ability. Cal runs an offense that relies heavily on its running backs staying in the back field on passing downs, and Vereen has far exceeded expectations when asked to do so. In terms of rushing, Vereen runs low to the ground, is much stronger than his build would suggest, and can break off the long one. In my opinion it would be a no-brainer if Vereen fell to the 49ers in the 3rd.
Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State(128): CBS Sportsline has Rodgers much lower than I have him on my big board. In fact, I have Rodgers as a probable 2nd round pick, where they have him going in the 4th. At 5 foot 7 and under 200 pounds, it would seem that Rodgers may be too small to be an every down running back in the NFL, however, I do not see it that way. Surprisingly, Rodgers is extremely tough between the tackles and I have seen him break off the tackles of opposing linebackers; most note-ably Casey Matthews. I do believe, however, that his reception total is a little bit mis-leading. Rodgers was a huge part of the Oregon State offensive attack, they relied heavily on his ability; maybe too much. Sometimes that can mis-represent your stats a little bit. It is kind of like seeing Monta Ellis go for 40 with the Warriors because he put up 25 shots. Rodgers averaged a pedestrian 6.8 yards per reception in 2010, which means that Oregon State was running the screen and throwback plays a lot. That said, he does have soft hands and the ability to receive out of the back field, that shouldn't be taken away from him. If, and it is a big if, Rodgers is available in the 4th round and the 49ers pass up on Vereen in the 3rd; he would be a nice fall-back option.
Derrick Locke, Kentucky(153): Here is my sleeper of the draft, maybe at any position; I really like the way Locke plays. He is what I call "AK-59", in reference to his size and similar rushing style to Chris Johnson of the Tennessee Titans. You have to believe that Locke will end up going much sooner than many NFL Draft sites have him going, but I am seeing a continuing them of under-estimating him. Listen, Locke probably has the best hands of any running back in the draft, has raw natural ability, is great in pass protection; and is an extremely intelligent player. All the things that I look for in a RB. The one major issue is injury problems that hurt him with Kentucky. Locke has had two serious injuries in college, and MCL and ACL injury earlier in his career. It is a risk to draft a player that has a checkered injury history, but it is less of a risk if you select him later in the draft.
Wide Receivers
A.J. Green, Georgia(7): Some would argue, and I may be inclined to agree, that it would be foolish for the 49ers to spend a top 10 pick on a wide receiver for the second time in three years. However, Green is a special talent that needs to be considered if he falls to #7. He is extremely explosive down the field, and at 6 foot 4, wins most jump ball battles. However, the main reason that I have him on this list is because of his far superior route running skills. Green may be one of the most polished wide receiver to enter the NFL in the last decade. He doesn't allow the ball to eat him up on the intermediate routes, has never shied away from contact and is explosive after the catch. What makes him so much better for the WCO is the fact that he can break off routes, knows how to utilize his body to shed tackles and generates separation early in the route. These are three of the most important things that you want from a WCO wide receiver.
Leonard Hankerson, Miami(44): Actually runs a better 40 time than Green, which really doesn't mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. It takes him longer to hit full speed that it does Green. He did struggle early in his Hurricane career with drops, but has fixed that problem as of late. I really like what I see of him on the short slant routes and bubble screens. He is an extremely physical receiver in the mold of Terrell Owens, and has the make-up to build more body strength as he matures. Hankerson isn't nearly as polished as Green, but his upside is unlimited; especially when it comes to his ability in the WCO.
Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh(55): Baldwin creates a ton of match-up problems for opposing secondaries. He has elusive speed, but can also create separation early in the routes; which is extremely important in the 49ers new system. What he does is disguise his pattern well, break it off when he needs to, and get the opposing player turned around. This is something that can make him a great threat in the WCO. His blocking is what really has me surprised. Physically you wouldn't expect him to be able to rush defenders off of the ling of scrimmage or create holes 5-10 yards down the field against the front seven of defenses, but he does. I think that having Baldwin opposite Michael Crabtree would work wonders in the running game because both are stout off the ball blockers.
Titus Young, Boise State(71): One word; deceptive. Young doesn't appear to have the greatest athletic ability in the world, but he just gets it done; plain and simple. As CBS Sportline says, he gets off of the line of scrimmage quickly and eats up opposing corners early in his route. This is something we saw a lot from in John Taylor years ago. Deceptive speed, the ability to turn around a defender early in the play, and great route running skills. Honestly, I believe that Young has what it takes to be a #1 wide receiver in the WCO, and the 49ers would be well advised to seriously consider him if available in the 3rd.
Vincent Brown, San Diego State(166): Probably the best fit for the 49ers WCO in the entire draft, well aside from A.J. Green that it. Brown is a perfect fit for what the 49ers are attempting to do. The two best routes that he runs are slants and crossing routes, something that can be extremely effective in this style of offense. He doesn't have the greatest speed in the world, isn't the lankiest receiver; but he has tons of ability. Competition is an issue, as he played down south with San Diego State. But, one thing is for sure; I would absolutely love to see him bring his talents to San Francisco.
Overview: In a perfect world I would love to see the 49ers snatch up Jake Locker, Shane Vereen and Vincent Brown in the 2nd, 3rd and 5th rounds respectively; but, we do not live in a perfect world, it probably will not play out that way. All the players that I have listed above bring something special with them to the WCO, but many of them are limited to actually being successful in a certain system. This leads me to believe that they will find themselves waiting longer for the call than expected. When implementing a new system teams must look at the players in terms of that system, and how they fit. You cannot go into a draft blindly and just draft who you deem to be the "best available player". Instead, you need to go into the draft looking for who you deem to be the best available player for your system.
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I disagree with your analysis on Gabbert.... I don't think I am the only one either.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81ece800/Mayock-evaluates-Gabberts-pro-day
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I mainly only disagree with the part about liking his pocket presence
it’s not good. He also runs with his eyes down.
Draft EVERYONE!
Tvittah
NO he doesn't
I saw Mayock breaking down film of him a while back on NFLN and he said he loves how Gabbert keeps his eyes downfield and shakes off safeties.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Wow, that would be a great link!
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
I looked for it on NFL.com already. That piece for whatever reason isn't on there.
It was on the NFL Network show Playbook though, I know that much.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Nevermind, I found it. Here it is...
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d81e76c8b/Mayock-s-film-study-Gabbert
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
If Gabbert is there at number seven and Patrick Peterson and Miller are gone
the 49ers would be stupid to pass on him.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Here's another good video of him.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-first-draft/09000d5d81ea6130/First-draft-Blaine-Gabbert
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
And another
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81ece9f9/Blaine-Gabbert-1-on-1
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
All the rumors I've heard/read
believe Harbaugh would rather have a 2nd or 3rd rounder he can mould. He seems like a guy with an ego, so just like Josh McDaniels did with Tebow he may select a guy others think will bust. That could very well be a smokescreen, but who knows at this time of the year. I am not a huge fan of Gabbert, but I see the tools he has and think he could thrive in the right situation.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
I think the niners will be stupid to draft him
the guy does not have as much depth as reading offenses and does not do well against a rush.
niners should pick a guy who will be good and not a question.
better option than gabbert is just resigning
alex smith, at least the niners can draft someone who will be good rather than a question mark.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Mar 25, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don't like him. I also think Kaepernick and Dalton will be better pros and can be had late 1st early 2nd.
RLOTT#42
Kaep in the top of the second, and Gabbert in the 1st.
Out of the two, one is going to light it up. Small price to pay with all the other depth out there at other positions this year.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
And a steal in the third round
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
Dalton is coming from the same type of offense as Gabbert
And he doesn’t do things as well as Gabbert. Why would we want to settle for anything less than the best this year or any other?
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Dalton gets a pass on all four
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
All four what? Fallacies?
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I've seen Dalton throw some pretty bad balls
without really being forced into it.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 26, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Quick question.
Why no Christian Ponder on the list? I know that there are alot of people who don’t like him, but I thought that if he is going to succeed it would be in the WCO. Because of that I am surprised he is not on the list.
Anyway good job overall, even if there are some minor disagreements on the potential impact of certain players.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
by Joshuahss on Mar 25, 2011 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You just got yourself on DrewK’s radar. You can only blame yourself
by mcwagner on Mar 25, 2011 1:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
he should be on here
probably one of the best WCO QB’s in the draft, and yeah, hate on me if you want
Draft EVERYONE!
Tvittah
Believe me I will
Ponder took a decent team and made them stink.
Chris Weinke 2.0
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 25, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too
And they think Alex is bad… just wait till they see Ponder play against scrubs even in the preseason should there be one.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Julio Jones over AJ Green.
Both will be great players but Julio’s ceiling is higher and he’s a hard nosed MF’er
Gimme 1 round!
I think it depends on what you want with a receiver.
As the Niners already have a possession type with Crabtree, I think AJ is more of a gamebreaker than Julio and would be a better fit. I wouldn’t mind having either, though.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
AJ IS the possession receiver
Dude runs a 4.5. He’s the same player as Crabtree. Julio is the gamebreaker at the NFL level.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 25, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Julio would complement our team better. Crab could work the slot, Vernon and Morgon could work the middle of the field and we could use Julio to be our deep threat until he develops his game.
by mcwagner on Mar 25, 2011 1:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
EXACTAMUNDO
His 4.39 is mostly top end speed… And if he’s got a corner that’s doing a good job jamming him? Julio relishes physical contact as much as most TE’s. Send him over the middle and let him beat up little corners that wanna get physical.
But since Peterson is our pick this is all just hypothetical.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 25, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Yet he still averaged a higher YPC than Jones.
And that was true in just about every season. I know the offenses and QBs were different, but its seemed like Green was always more of a big play threat.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
Its about the offenses.
McElroy isn’t out there slinging bombs. He can fire the ball down the field but he’s most successful 20 yards and in.
Only 1 guy beat PP for a TD.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 25, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
hater
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
whatever
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
Pat Devlin
This kid has a lot of talent, and could be had for at most a 3rd round pick depending on how fast the other QB’s are drafted
TEAM JUSTIN SMITH
We can probably get Devlin in the 6th or 7th or as a UDFA
McElroy is better and can be had in the 6th. McElroy actually had success throwing at Peterson cause he understands how to throw routes. Very underrated guy for the level of success he can have at the NFL level. At the very least he will be a solid backup and he may elevate his game to solid starter level.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 25, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a chance Devlin drops that far.
And he has more physical tools than McElroy. In my opinion Devlin has much more potential than McElroy, who will never be more than a game manager in the NFL if anything.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
Drafttek has him 136
16 slots below McElroy.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 25, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
NFLdraftScout has him 142
Most people are slotting him 6th to UDFA because he played against schlubs that have no hope of even making a practice squad. While McElroy went after Patrick Peterson with limited success.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 25, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats mid 4th, not 6th or UDFA.
And 3rd-4th is alot different than 6th or 7th. Maybe saying not a chance was a stretch, but I don’t see him falling that far. All that said, I like Andy Dalton in our system better that either Devlin or McElroy.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
128 is the end of the 4th.
Its 5th to 6th round. And Drafttek slots QBs higher than it should. I would not be the least surprised if Devlin doesn’t even get drafted.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 25, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
You are right
I was reading the numbers wrong. I still think he will go in the 4th or 5th at the latest, but we shall see.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
Locke gets love on my side of the country to. He’s a good blocker even though he is small. Understands leverage. His speed getting in and out his cuts is just amazing. He will be a big time player maker in this league.
Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win
good blocker?
nfl players are bigger, faster, and hit harder than college.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Mar 25, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
This is where I'm at right now.
But I wonder if Ponder will be there when the Niners pick in the 2nd or if they would have to trade up.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
You mean
Weinke 2.0, Dalton, Kaepernick
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 25, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
As far as WR’s and Rb’s go, if they don’t have speed it will be a mistake. The only slow addition we need is a full back. Look at the Ravens last year, all those WR’s with 0 speed, and it is easily seen that they need speed at the WR position.
RLOTT#42
Huh , Fullback will be huge in Harbaugh's Offense ...!!
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Another man's opinion ...
First, nice job, Vincent … you obviously put a lot of effort into it. I’ll give you my feedback by position.
Quarterback —
First, I don’t believe that the Niners will take a QB in the first round, maybe in the second depending upon who is or could be (via a trade up) available. That rules out Gabbert and Locker … which is OK with me because I wouldn’t want either one of them. I honestly believe that what we are drafting at QB this year is the future backup QB, unless whoever is selected develops well beyond expectations and becomes “the guy.” Why? The QB talent coming out in 2012 is far, far better than this year … I think that we draft our real franchise QBOTF next year. That said, I would be OK with either Dalton or McElroy (obviously depending upon where they are selected … i wouldn’t “reach”), but think that both Christian Ponder and Colin Kaepernick are better prospects, especially for the WCO. So, get the best guy you can to back up Alex Smith this year and let him compete with the 2012 draftee.
Running Back -
Because of other far more important needs, I don’t see the Niners drafting an RB before the fifth round (pick 137). If that’s true, forget Hunter, Thomas, Vereen and probably Rodgers … they will be gone by then. At pick 137 I think that there are only two logical prospects, depending upon whether the goal is to acquire a change-of-pace guy or a bigger back who could become Frank’s replacement. Those two guys are Derrick Locke and Alex Green. I personally would prefer a COP guy this year and a “replacement” back in 2012 in a higher round. As you say, Locke would IMO be a great selection at 137 - he’s amazing in that he has all the skills, including blocking, he’s just little and fast; not all bad when we have Dixon as a hammer. If, on the other hand, you want a “replacement” (feature) back now, you could do worse than Alex Green … the guy is 6’0", weighs 225, and runs a 4.45 forty, which is faster than … Hunter, Thomas, Vereen or Rodgers. Wow! That’s moving for a guy that size! I like it, but I’ll take Locke, thanks.
Wide Receiver —
Once again, because of other more important needs, I don’t see the Niners drafting a WR before the fourth round (picks 107 or 114) and maybe not until even later. That would obviously rule out Green, Hankerson, Baldwin (would LOVE to get him) and Young. But, let’s think for a minute about what we should be looking for; the only WR on the roster taller than 6’1" is Ziegler and, given the injury and his slow development, he’s probably never going to play a lot of minutes. I think that we should be looking for a “taller” receiver who, in addition to being a good WCO WR (smart, routes, hands), can really help in the “red zone” with fades, etc. So, if we don’t select a WR until 107/114, who are the taller guys who might be a good fit? (I’ll use your system of using CBS/NFLDraftScout ranking after their name.) Here they are:
Greg Little, North Carolina (ranked 80) 6’3" 4.51 forty — he may fall to the fourth round because in didn’t play in 2010.
Tandon Doss, Indiana (ranked 108) 6’3" 4.56 forty
Terence Toliver, LSU (ranked 122) 6’4" 4.52 forty
Austin Pettis, Boise State (ranked 161) 6’3" 4.56 forty
My preference in rank order: Little, Doss, Toliver, Pettis
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 25, 2011 2:18 PM PDT reply actions
I think Quizz will be around the 4th...that could be the right time to pull the trigger
Draft EVERYONE!
Tvittah
No way he is there in the fourth... the kid has potential to be better than MJD even.
2nd rounder…. no later than the middle of the 3rd.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
No way THIS last's until the 4th round
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0xi0eaaP7I&feature=related
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
West coast bias
This guy had a better college career:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvHPZi7_apk
Unfortunately the Tebow hype completely overshadowed Dixon’s collegiate accomplishments.
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
Is that why he was a 6th rounder?
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Kinda actually
Dixon played all the tough SEC teams and sat out his teams blowout win over a scrub team. I still see him being great for a long time to come.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 26, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Great is hardly a word that you can attach to his name at this point.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I know I"ve posted this before
http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2010/1/27/1271973/an-appreciation-rb-anthony-dixon
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
I love Alex Green but that’s kind of a bias on my part. He played for my favorite college team. But he would be a really good possibility as a power runner & may at some point challenge Dixon for the featured back spot, again if for some reason Gore is not here after this season.
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by Mangoman on Mar 25, 2011 7:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think your idea as drafting a QB for the future is spot on, I have been coming to that same conclusion as of late. I think thats why we wait to the 5th round or later and pickup someone like McElroy who will stick around and be happy to be a backup. I like Locke just not sure he will be able to stay healthy in the NFL. The name I never here as far as a possible replacement for Gore is Dion Lewis, I understand his number might have fallen a little bit but as a 6th or 7th round selection I think he is more than worth it. Lewis could be a bust or he could be one of the better backs coming out this year (I really like Henry Hynoski as well). As far as WR go I am bias but I love Pettis he is a guy I would want to throw the ball to if the game is on the line because he is so clutch.
Skill position templates.
QB : Can read defensive coverages at the line, precise timing in his footwork, decisive, quick release.
RB : Explosive through the hole, good pass protection, good hands receiving out of the backfield; not a dancer, runs north south.
WR : Runs precise routes, doesn’t telegraph cuts with bad positioning, catches with “snatching hands”.
Best fits of those templates in my opinion (regardless of talent ceiling) are McElroy, Vereen, and Brown.
Really? McElroy ... not the best, but OK. Vereen and Brown? IMO not even close!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 25, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Was thinking of those listed in the main post that we can realistically get.
in the 3rd or lower. But I didn’t say it.. good criticism.
Fair enough! My thoughts ...
Vereen will be drafted in the first three, or four worst, rounds; can’t see us drafting a RB before the fifth. Brown will certainly be available in the fifth, but he’s both small (5’ 11") and slow (4.68 forty) … NOT a good combination.
By the way, not a criticism … everybody has there own opinions.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 25, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Those are my 2 QBs
McElroy will be ready to step in sooner but Kaep’s ceiling is incredibly high.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 26, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
With 2 extra picks in the 7th round we should get McElroy.
The 49ers need to draft 2 QBs this year and put one on the PS. He can learn the O while getting up to speed in the NFL.
Agreed
I was just thinking that today. Given our situation it wouldn’t hurt at all to draft more than one QB. You never know who can emerge as the better pick. Look what happened in 2000.
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by Mangoman on Mar 25, 2011 7:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Please god I hope this is not true..
The game has changed so much not even Joe Gibbs is successful with a Joe Gibbs offense.
Lets see
1) Emphasis on power run game
2) Heavy TE and/or extra lineman formations
3) Incredible amount of pre-snap shifting
4) Belief in ability to coach up a non-descript QB
Anything else I’m missing from the Joe Gibbs staple offense?
Actually I think it might be the right time to run that offense again. The landscape is really different than 3-4 years ago when Gibbs was last back. Half the league shifted to the 3-4 defense and the personnel emphasis is on smaller quick, guys who can cover on nickel and dime packages. The league might be small enough to actually punch them in the mouth consistently. It won’t be the stationary easy to read offense Singletary tried to implement. If anything all those pre-snap shifts are going to put the 3-4 schemes on the defensive and take away their ameba formations. The last time the NFL defenses got into this trend Gibbs came around and wiped them out.
Check, check, check, and check.
Well.. at least #3 helps #4.
Well.. at least #3 helps #4.It’s alot easier to read a defense when your motion and formation forces the defense to tip their hand on coverages and blitzes.
Well.. at least #3 helps #4.It’s alot easier to read a defense when your motion and formation forces the defense to tip their hand on coverages and blitzes.You make some good points on the cycle of defensive trends.. maybe my gut reaction was wrong.
Well.. at least #3 helps #4.It’s alot easier to read a defense when your motion and formation forces the defense to tip their hand on coverages and blitzes.You make some good points on the cycle of defensive trends.. maybe my gut reaction was wrong.If this is the case.. I think our #1 priority has to be drastic improvement of the pass defense. Eliminate the opponents ability to quick strike down the field, and force them to play our game in the trenches.
Well.. at least #3 helps #4.It’s alot easier to read a defense when your motion and formation forces the defense to tip their hand on coverages and blitzes.You make some good points on the cycle of defensive trends.. maybe my gut reaction was wrong.If this is the case.. I think our #1 priority has to be drastic improvement of the pass defense. Eliminate the opponents ability to quick strike down the field, and force them to play our game in the trenches.
This is the key:
It won’t be the stationary easy to read offense Singletary tried to implement. If anything all those pre-snap shifts are going to put the 3-4 schemes on the defensive and take away their ameba formations.
But I agree, the offense Harbaugh ran at Stanford could have been straight outta Gibbs’s playbook, despite the WCO terminology.
How so? The offense being implemented may have bits and pieces of what he did in Stanford, but will be spawned from the Walsh archives.
You were pretty much looking at his version of Schembecler’s offense from Michighan. The offense being ran here is not the same.
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get titus young and austin pettis this year
and kellen moore next year :D
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Cam Newton is the best player in this group and
he could adapt to the wco as well if not better than anyone in this draft.
No mention of Fullback , it's a travesty knowing how big a role will be placed a that position ...!!
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I still like Kaepernick
If PP or Miller are gone in the 7th, trade to OAK for Asomugha, and we won’t skip a beat.
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We won’t have to trade for him if we were to get him. He’s a free agent.
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