2011 NFL Mock Draft Database: 49ers Second Round Picks 2.3
by David Fucillo on Mar 5, 2011 9:00 AM PST
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Now that the 2011 NFL Combine is wrapped up, we're slowly starting to get more NFL mock drafts going beyond just a single round of projections. I've been keeping a second round mock draft database and while several of the mocks are slow in updating, we're getting more and more updated second round projections. Please post links to additional second round mocks if you can find them. In mock drafts it seems like the first 10 or 15 players can be determined with some degree of certainty, although maybe not their specific teams. However, after the first half of the draft, players can climb and drop fairly easily.
This year it seems like there are 10 or so players (give or take several) that are solid options in that top part of the draft with a bunched up group after that. Some positions are deeper than others, but the general group is fairly bunched up. One position with a decent amount of depth in the 2011 NFL Draft is cornerback. Coincidentally enough that is also one of the 49ers top areas of need. This need and depth is officially being reflected in our mock draft databases.
In the first round mock draft database, 13 of the 30 mocks had Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukamara going to the 49ers. Our updated second round mock draft database (posted in full after the jump as well) also is led by cornerbacks, with six cornerbacks being projected out of 22 mocks. This leads all positions. The leading corner this time around is Aaron Williams out of Texas.
Scouts Inc. ranks Williams as the number five cornerback behind Peterson, Amukamara, Jimmy Smith, and Brandon Harris. Mocking the Draft also ranks the top five corners in this order. However, where Scouts Inc ranks Williams as the No. 38 overall player, MtD ranks him No. 28.
Williams measured in at just under 6' and 204 pounds at the Combine. He ran a 4.52 40-yard dash and Scouts Inc seems to generally like his skills in coverage. They indicated his weaknesses were giving receivers too much of a cushion and a general need to get more aggressive in coverage. They also state that his weaknesses are attributes that can be improved upon at the NFL level.
Given the 49ers need for a corner, is Williams a guy you would like to see the 49ers grab? If they grab Peterson or Amukamara in the first round they wouldn't be going corner again in the second round. However, if they end up with Miller or Quinn (or some other non-corner), there is enough talent that maybe they go with a second rounder corner. Any thoughts on second round corners in general?
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| Position | # |
| Cornerback | 6 |
| Quarterback |
5 |
| Outside Linebacker | 3 |
| Defensive End | 3 |
| Defensive Tackle | 2 |
| Running Back | 1 |
| Center | 1 |
| Safety | 1 |
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If we don't go corner in the 1st...
I think Curtis Brown is our best bet. He was more impressive in the cover drills than guys projected higher than him in my opinion. Unfortunately due to that performance he probably won’t be there. I think lots of teams are being quiet about him and hoping he falls to them.
I don’t think his teammate Williams is cut out to play CB in the NFL, I think Dowling would be a decent pick but I wouldn’t take him this high due to the injury risk, and I’m not sold on any of the WAC guys having what it takes to be more than nickel backs at the next level.
I’d much rather take our CB in the 1st and try for a QB in the 2nd… but realistically there will be 2 QB’s off the board in the top 10, and likely 4 more gone in the top of the second as the QB needy teams in front of us in the 1st took pass rushers and linemen.
I think any QB we’d like to have will be gone by our 2nd pick. There is too much demand and too little to choose from.
If Harbaugh / Baalke fall in love with a QB.. they may have to give up some picks to get back into the lower first if they want to get him.
Cuz they're wac(k)?
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Just not impressed.
Some of them just aren’t fast enough, some of them performed so poorly in the skill drills that I don’t think their accompanying talent level gives them very high ceilings.
If you have to spend alot of time coaching a guy up and he’s not that special an athlete to begin with then his potential to ever be a starter is questionable, and doesn’t justify that high a pick.
Marsh was fast and flexible from what I heard
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Has speed
but was very tight in his backpedal, and looked very off balance in the transition from his backpedal to bail. You don’t put a guy like that in man coverage, not even on a slot receiver.
He’s probably the best of the bunch, but that isn’t saying much. Mid rounder.
Agree on Williams
His build and speed indicate that he’d be much better at S.
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I don't even know how good a safety he'll be
But he WONT be a CB at the NFL level. At least not one that cracks a starting lineup.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 5, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
agreed
I like curtis brown… Von Miller and Curtis Brown Ftw!
Agree with your thoughts on every point ...
Given these issues, in the good old Bill Walsh fashion, we may have to adopt “an alternative draft strategy” if we expect to get a QB AND multiple starters in the first two rounds.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 5, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I'd be ok with any of those except for Carter, maybe Dowling
S is nice, but not in the 2nd. There will be a few decent ones available from the 5th on, if we even take one.
Dowling is going to be a gamble for any team picking him in the 2nd. There are certainly factors that would still make him a good value there, but the numerous recent injuries still make him a bit of a question that early. I’d say if he’s there in the third we could take him there. And that’s also if we’ve already addressed the need in the 1st.
Ideally I’d say this is the round where we should get get the QB need addressed. No later than the 3rd. Ponder & Kaep would be a very good choice here.
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If he's there in the 3rd we'd be stupid as F*** if we didn't take him
His 1 year of injury woes aside the guy is 6’2", physical, has good hips and fluidity and ran a 4.40 limping through the finish line. Stupid not to take him if he’s there in the 3rd.
After his pro day I have a feeling he won’t be though.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 5, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I question his injury history very much.
But even I would take him without a thought in the third, even if I took Peterson at #7.
Having watched Aaron and Curtis
for almost every game of their college careers, I can safely that I would not want either on the team. I do not think that they will be productive corners in the NFL. Curtis is rawer and more athletic, so there is a better chance for him to develop with the proper coaching. Aaron is probably going to come in as CB/S tweener – he’s just limited in terms of ability, and out of any corner in the draft, I want to avoid him the most, even though he played for my University.
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What the hell is it with corners from UT?
I agree with your assessment of Curtis and Williams. Terell Brown has been a disappointment. Even Quentin Jammer took forever to develop into a competent starting corner. Mayabe it’s Texas beef … or the water.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 5, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Love the thought ... but Ponder will not last until Pick #45.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 5, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
It would be a no brainer at 45 but I think he could last that long.
You see two to three QBs in the first round, which would be Newton, Gabbert and Mallett and then Locker and Ponder in the 2nd.
Hoping that we get these players
Peterson
Reed
Powe/Ellis
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I like these..
And I also wouldn’t mind using the next two picks on qb’s. Better odds of getting a serviceable starter.
by wtlichens on Mar 5, 2011 10:01 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
If you want a serviceable starter sign Alex.
Want a franchise QB wait until 2012
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Like that strategy but ... unfortunately that decision is up to Alex, not the Niners.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 5, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
If we gave him the transition tag we wouldn't have that problem
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Not going to pay him that kind of money to keep him
Could you imagine the revolt from fans?
Listen, if he doesn’t want to be back, and not willing to sign a deal to come back, I’m not going to plop a tag on him, forcing him to stay at top dollar.
Brandon Harris
Is there no way he drops to the 2nd?
by Willy G on Mar 5, 2011 10:02 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Not to where we are
He could fall to the 30s which is where I would make the slide stop as a GM.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 5, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Mocks are fun
at http://www.drafttek.com/WIFRound1.asp they run many simulated drafts. #4 Has NE moving up into Cleveland’s spot for receiver Green. Then w both Peterson & Miller avail they have Niners selecting Miller. Don’t agree, but what other kind of FB fun do we have?
Williams didnt look particularly good at the combine
and lets face it Texas couldnt beat anyone this year.
trade
45th, 4th, and 7nth rounder for new england 28th to select
christian ponder
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Prince Amukamara and Christian Ponder
I don’t think Peterson or Miller will be there at #7 so take the safe pick and grab Amukamara.
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Two CB's taken in the first 7 picks
It’s certainly possible, but just sounds weird. No CB has been taken higher than 5th in the last 10 years. And definitely not two in the first 7. Would be interesting if we become the first to change that. I almost feel like if Peterson & Miller are gone and Quinn is there we take Quinn. But still, I wouldn’t be upset with Prince.
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I don't think we take Prince at 7
If Peterson and Miller are gone, just means Dareus or Gabbert slipped. I’d rather have them than Prince.
Not bad...
If Peterson is gone that is!
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by wellnesscoach on Mar 5, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Ponder in the 2nd.
Funny how mock drafts have Ponder listed 4 times and Kaepernick only once. Some scouts have Ponder as their 2nd rated QB after a strong showing at the combine. Ponder’s arm is stronger than most thought and he had great zip on the out routes. He has good footwork and played from a pro style system in college.
Kaepernick isn't even in Mayocks top 5
I heard Mayock had him 8th. Kaepernick has the flashy stuff us sheep fall for like arm, speed, and height but he lacks the things the scouts notice, footwork, ability to read defense, arm action, etc…
I too like Ponder, given our adoption of the WCO. But here's the problem ...
He will not last until pick #45! Why not? Because between picks 35 and 43 there are FIVE teams looking to draft a QB, only TWO of whom will have drafted one in the first round. (By the way, the five are Cinci @35, AZ @38, Tennessee @39, Washington @41 and Minnesota @43.) The bad news is … Ponder will be selected by one of these teams before pick#45. The good news is … there is something that we can do about it.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 5, 2011 12:39 PM PST reply actions
You are assuming those teams will all like a QB in the 2nd round though.
What’s to say the QB needy teams fell in love with Kaepernick over Ponder and would rather take Kaepernick in the 3rd? Or maybe one of those teams fall in love with Brooks Reed and take him instead. You are assuming that Ponder is their top QB in the draft in 2nd round, and it’s not guaranteed. Maybe Locker and Mallett make it into the 2nd round, Ponder COULD fall.
Ponder's stock continues to raise. Could he fall? Sure. Is it likely, given his current ranking among prospects? Unfortunately, no!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 5, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
You don't know where his stock is because you don't want NFL teams are placing them on their own boards.
It happens every year, players falling, especially the QB’s. Last year they had Clausen and McCoy both rated high and they both fell, even with teams supposedly needing a QB. There is a good number of QB’s in this draft, none of which are sure 1st rounders imo. It could be possible that only 2 QB’s get picked in the first round and then there is a good number of QB’s left for the 2nd or 3rd or beyond, in which case many teams that ’supposedly need a QB wait a little longer to grab one.
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By the way, Fooch, regarding CB prospects ... there are a ton of them out there this year.
First round: Peterson, Amukamara, Jimmy Smith, Harris
Second round: Williams*, Curtis Brown*, House, Burton, possibly Dowling
- Hopefull neither one of these guys to the Niners
Third round: Dowling, Chekwa, Patrick, Wright, Marsh
Fourth round: Allen, Carmichael, Hogan, Jalil Brown, Burney, Rucker, Culliver, Sherman
PICK TWO!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 5, 2011 12:47 PM PST reply actions
Problem is...
Most of the guys in the fourth round list that won’t make a roster, and you can flip a coin on the rest whether they’ll be on a roster 3 years from now.
Many of the rest in these lists have a ceiling of #2 CB.
The guys who have #1 CB ceiling.. The first rounders, maybe Brown, Burton, and Dowling if he can get his health back.
House shouldn’t be on the second round list. He was tripping over his own feet in the combine drills.
There are a ton of prospects, but there aren’t a ton of prospects you can expect to be able to cover the #1 WR’s in the NFL. Even the 4-7 guys that I think have #1 CB ceilings.. at least half of them won’t get anywhere near that ceiling.. just impossible to know which ones.
I really don't like the Ponder Idea
I believe he is going fail in the NFL. He just doesn’t have the “it” factor when it comes to QB position. I like the idea of Jimmy Smith or Cameron Heyward, i just doubt either will fall to the 49ers.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 5, 2011 1:12 PM PST reply actions
“it” factor?
the guy played almost a full year with misdiagnosed injury and played pretty darn good.
I bet harbaugh has him ranked as his number one qb in this draft.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Mar 5, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
he was injured his senior year. still managed above 60% completetion rate.
YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2007 8 18 105 44.4 5.83 28 1 2 0 89.55
2008 177 318 2006 55.7 6.31 54 14 13 19 115.00
2009 227 330 2717 68.8 8.23 98 14 7 15 147.70
2010 184 299 2044 61.5 6.84 44 20 8 23 135.68
He tried to play through his forearm injury over the Seminoles’ final eight games – he said the tissue disconnected from his muscle, which created a pocket of fluid that had to be drained each week
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What's with Ponder???
I haven’t seen anything to impressive from this guy, plus he’s always hurt . Why not wait till the third & select Dalton from TCU. He’s proven and looked pretty impressive @ the combine. I say Peterson or Miller @ 7 if they are both gone trade back. Prince isn’t worth a 7. P/up some more picks & stock pile @ positions of need a la Patriots.
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by ninerfolife on Mar 5, 2011 9:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions
scouts will tell you that Ponder was the best QB at the combine to throw....
He was hurt and is now healthy. He was the Senior Bowl MVP and was by far the best looking QB there. His stock was hurt when he looked like he had no zip on his passes. Once the arm was fully healed, he had way more zip than inticipated and is soaring up the draft boards.
Not to rip on TCU too much, but like Kaepernick, Dalton played against 2nd rate players most of the time. He has nice abilities but is not really tested.
by ericalancanty on Mar 5, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
I wish i could get into all this speculation ...
… but there’s way to many varible’s in trying to process whom will be there in the second and beyond , dang after the first few pick’s everything change’s , as anal as i am about structure this is beyond my realm of thinkin’ …!!
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draft buster skrine
He can be had in the late rounds. The kid can flat out fly and isn’t shy on run support. At the very least he can help out in the return game.
by gifts_and_curses on Mar 6, 2011 6:09 AM PST reply actions
Mocks have him going in the 3rd
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
NorCalDaves' 2nd Rd for Niners
Rd 2
Ryan Kerrigan, DE Purdue
or
Curtis Brown, CB Texas
I have Ponder and Kaepernick as possible 3rd round picks for the 9ers, would not use 2nd pick on either one, since both are projects at best.
Ryan Kerrigan will be gone in the mid-teens to 30s
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
NorCalDave 2011 Dream Draft for 9ers
Rd 1 #7
Patrick Peterson, CB LSU
or
Prince Amukmara, CB Neb
Rd 2
Ryan Kerrigan, DE Purdue
or
Curtis Brown, CB Texas
Rd3
Colin Kaepernick, QB Nevada
or
Christen Ponder, QB Florida St
or
Ryan Winterswyk, DE Boise St
Rd4a
Sione Fua, DT Stanford
Rd4b
Chimdi Chekwa, CB Ohio State
Rd5
Ricardo Lockette, WR Ft Valley St
Rd6a
Buster Skrine, CB/KR/PR Chattanooga
Rd6b
Roy Helu Jr, RB Neb.
Rd7a
Mario Harvey, ILB Marshall
Rd7b
Owen Marecic, FB/LB Stanford
Rd7c (possible pick for 2010 FA losses)
Mario Addison, DE/OLB Troy
Nice thoughts... BUT
Kerrigan is gone in rd 1 – definitely won’t be there at 45
Curtis Brown MIGHT be there
Kaep and Ponder will be gone in the 2nd
Skrine is being mocked in the 3rd and and Lockette will probably go before 5. Marecic has zero chance of being there in the 7th
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
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