2011 NFL Combine: It's a Wrap - Rounds 3 & 4
by Drew Kerr on Mar 6, 2011 2:20 PM PST
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In very recent history for the 49ers, they have done very well in the mid to late rounds in finding players that can contribute in a lot of different ways. Specifically, Frank Gore. He has been one of the best 49ers of all-time. It's very unfortunate that he has not been able to get to the Superbowl, let alone the playoffs... Maybe this year though, eh?
In looking back, here are the players that the 49ers have selected in the 3rd and 4th rounds since 2002, the last time the 49ers were in the playoffs. It's interesting to see how the trend of bad drafting has potentially taken a turn for the better in the last few years.
2002
Saleem Rasheed - Linebacker - Alabama - 3rd Round
Jeff Chandler - Kicker - Florida - 4th Round
Kevin Curtis - Defensive Back - Texas Tech 4th Round
2003
Andrew Williams - Defensive End - Miami - 3rd Round
Brandon Lloyd - Wide Receiver - Illinois - 4th Round
2004
Derrick Hamilton - Wide Receiver - Clemson - 3rd Round
Isaac Sopoaga - Defensive End - Hawaii - 4th Round
Richard Seigler - Linebacker - Oregon State - 4th Round
With that, let's take a look at the rest (2005 - 2010) as well as the potential draft picks that may fit with the 49ers in the 3rd and 4th rounds in the upcoming draft...
2005
Frank Gore - Running Back - Miami - 3rd Round
Adam Snyder - Offensive Line - Oregon - 3rd Round
No 4th Round Selection
2006
Brandon Williams - Wide Receiver - Wisconsin - 3rd Round
Michael Robinson - Running Back - Penn State - 4th Round
2007
Jason Hill - Wide Receiver - Washington State - 3rd Round
Ray McDonald - Defensive End - Florida - 3rd Round
Jay Moore - Defensive End - Nebraska - 4th Round
Dashon Goldson - Safety - Washington - 4th Round
Joe Cohen - Defensive End - Florida - 4th Round
2008
Reggie Smith - Cornerback - Oklahoma - 3rd Round
Cody Wallace - Center - Texas A&M - 4th Round
2009
Glen Coffee - Running Back - Alabama - 3rd Round
No 4th Round Selection
2010
Navorro Bowman - Linebacker - Penn State - 3rd Round
No 4th Round Selection
The short list of potential 3rd round selections:
Ras I-Dowling - Cornerback - Virginia
Andy Dalton - Quarterback - TCU
Dion Lewis - Running Back - Pittsburgh
Vincent Brown - Wide Receiver - San Diego State
Sam Acho - Outside Linebacker - Texas
Dontay Moch - Nevada - Outside Linebacker
The shortlist of potential 4th round selections:
Ricky Stanzi - Quarterback - Iowa
Noel Devine - Running Back - West Virginia
Terrence Toliver - Wide Receiver - LSU
Greg Little - Wide Receiver - UNC
Owen Marecic - Fullback - Stanford
Chris Rucker - Cornerback - Michigan State
There are so many other options and ways to go with the picks here, but in looking at the boards and areas of need, it seems like these few players here would be the best way ago assuming they were available. So with that, I'd be interested to see everyone else's interpretations of what we should do in the 3rd and 4th rounds.
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I think Acho, Devine & Marecic would welcomed additions to the team
And each would have the opportunity to contribute to the team early on
Assuming that we take CB/QB in the first 2 rounds
I would look speed receiver like Jerrel Jernigan if he falls to the third. 4th round lookd best DE and either FB or safety. I will say I love Dion Lewis and think if you want an RB for the future he is a steal in the 3rd and Austin Pettis needs to be in the mix, not the fastest guy but he has better hands than anyone we have at WR now
We already have Kyle Williams and Ted Ginn.
I think a receiver like Little or Toliver is a better fit to push Crabtree.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Assuming sOmething ridiculous doesnt happen like hurting himself AGAIN
There is no way Dowling is on the board in the 3rd. The super fast little guy Skrage or whatever his name is, is being mocked in the 3rd and his footwork was HORRIBLE in the actual drills. Dowling’s ceiling is so much higher than him it’s disgusting. I think Dowling and Jimmy Smith have very similar ceilings.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 3:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
AKA
When Dowling runs between a 4.37 and 4.41 at his pro day and looks great in drills he’ll skyrocket back up to a top 35 pick. We’ll be lucky to get him at 45
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 3:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
or when he runs and hurts himself again he will remain where he is
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Don't be stupid for stupidity's sake
His last year is a freak occurrence. He never missed significant time in HS or College till his senior year. It’s stupid to judge his next 10 seasons based on 1 year out of 8. He was a 1st rounder last year in the deepest draft probably ever. But he’s a 3rd rounder in a draft that runs out of top talent at 30 this year. Dumb dude. Just dumb.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 3:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He had like 4 different injuries last year.
How can you not say that isn’t injury prone.
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1 year.
A couple nagging injuries, (1 that reoccured at the combine) and 1 non-career endangering but season ending injury. He’s less injury prone than Frank Gore so far in his career.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 4:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So you want to spend an early pick on a guy that couldn't physically play in the NCAA
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Dude he played 3 years in the NCAA without injury problems
It’s 1 season out of 4 in the NCAA and 1 that he will have plenty of time to recover from. Stop being foolish and shortsighted.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 4:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And again "Couldn't physically play"
So that’s why he was rated in the 1st round last year. I guess that’s why Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy and Frank Gore weren’t worth picking.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 4:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Gore was a third rounder
So was McCoy. Bradford got lucky how many people with huge injuries are first round picks?
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Gore slid because he had a major injury. McCoy wasn't a 1st or 2nd rounder before the injury
He didn’t slide at all.
Bradford absolutely dazzled at his pro day. He rocketed back to #1.
Dowling will put it down at his pro day. He honestly is probably a little overtrained from all the work he’s put in rehabbing himself. A few days of rest then back to the grindstone for his pro day and he’s a high choice.
His stats were the picture of consistency till this year http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183648
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
Who's the dumb one here? At least do your homework! Dowling will be drafted in the third round, at best.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 6, 2011 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
Barring I'm injuring himself AGAIN at his pro day, (in which case there is an issue)
He will lay down the law and we’ll be lucky to get him at 45. If not for the injury concerns he’d be tied with Jimmy Smith as the 3rd best corner in the draft.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 11:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We will see on the 2nd day of the draft if he goes 2nd or 3rd...
It wouldn’t totally shock me to see him fall to the 3rd.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
After the top four guys... Peterson, Amukamara, Smith, and Harris
I can see about three or four more guys that could go before Dowling.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Fair enough...
I think 4 are off the board in the first round and another 4 go shortly there after. I think by 50 we have 8 corners off the board
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
I'll redact that. 7 off the board by 50
PP, Amukamara, Jimmy Smith, Brandon Harris, Aaron Williams, Curtis Brown and Dowling.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
I'd LOVE to get Lewis or Devine
Either would be a nice addition.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Mar 6, 2011 3:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Sorry, neither one has nearly the upside as Derrick Locke ... do your homework!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 6, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
What does that have to do with doing homework?
No where did he state that either of those two were better or had a better upside than Locke. If you did your homework you’d realize that there are many factors in deciding on where to draft a guy, all of which go out the window once a guy is on a roster. Anyone one of those guys could be a potential star or bust.
In Jed We Trust?
PP in the 1st
Dowling in the 2nd. Ballard in the 3rd. Marecic and Fua in the 4th. McElroy in the 5th. (Perfect choice for a WCO based system)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 3:42 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Ballard can also be swapped for Acho or Moch.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 3:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Moch the 240 lb guy that has trouble in stopping the run?
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Aren't you a Von Miller fan?
Miller stinks against the run too. Had Von played in the SEC he’d be a 2nd rounder because he’d be playing against great running teams instead of pass happy spread offenses.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 3:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Then nm
Moch is a less talented Miller. But 3rd round and later he’s worth a pick.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 4:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
All out for Peterson
It all starts from the top! If we can get him, the rest is the icing on the cake.
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by wellnesscoach on Mar 6, 2011 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
UR mock, I like
UR mock, I like. Except if PP in the first, then I’d use the 2nd and the 3rd for pass rushing support, either from a DE or OLB, or a good FS, or possibly a developmental QB like Kaepernick or Ponder. But I really like your 4th round picks, 2 guys who can contribute right away, know the systems, are physically and mentally ready for the NFL. I can see gong into the season with Alex Smith starting, and 2 developmental QBs who will fight it out for dominance. I do like McElroy, a lot. I think Harbaugh can coach him up on the things he needs to improve on. Basically he did what Sabean needed him to do at Alabama, but didn’t develop a lot as a passer because he was only needed to manage the game without mistakes. I’d like to see David Carr released ASAP, or perhaps traded for a late round pick. Maybe the 49ers have to give someone a 7th rounder to take him and his contract! Carr seems like a good guy, but keeping him around does not help anyone.
I don't always agree with things you say
But I don’t hate that mock up. I’d be pretty damn happy about it. If that were to happen, hopefully they would be able to find some solid pass rushers via free agency or possible trade. I’m not really sold on McElroy at this point, but I’m not really sold on any QB’s in this years draft.
In Jed We Trust?
I have Lawrence Guy in the 3rd, then Ricky Stanzi and Derrick Locke in the 4th
You all stare, but you'll never see, there's something inside me.
so it looks like this:
1. Prince Amukamara, CB
2. Brooks Reed, OLB
3. Lawrence Guy, DE
4a. Ricky Stanzi, QB
4b. Derrick Locke, RB
Whatcha guys think?
You all stare, but you'll never see, there's something inside me.
I am not a fan of Prince.
I like the rest though…
And would who would be your plan as the starting QB in this scenario?
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Prince's combine was absolutely dynamic
Confirmed to me he’s a better prospect than any who came out last year.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 4:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
While I wont discount that point
But its was just the combine I’d rather be dependent on game film and see if his game translate to the pros and can produce against NFL type receivers. I’m not saying he cant or wont but a Corner’s mind is just as important as his physical tools. Thats what makes the difference between a physically talented corner and someone so good that he is deserving of a top 10 pick who actually pans out
by Lok on Mar 6, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
Amukamara's technique is better than both Haden and McCourty's
He’s not as fast as McCourty or as strong as Haden but I’d rank him several slots above both even accounting for how good both were last year. Amukamara is a franchise caliber player. The combine just allieviated any concerns that Justin Blackmon created.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 4:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So if it came down to choice between Peterson & , you would pick...
by Lok on Mar 6, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
I think Peteson is a once a generation kind of talent.
The CB equivalent of Suh. A 10 Int 4 TD (special teams and Int returns combined) kind of season is not out of his reach. I’d draft Peterson #1 this year and #2 over Bradford last year.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 5:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
we should really just trade up to 4th overall and take him if he's there
the bengals would be happy to trade down 3 spots
all the CBs looked pretty bad in the position drills, poor technique in starting positions
they were far too high, but prince looked amazing in the workouts. He looks extremely impressive, he has a similar build to Vontae Davis and if he’s as good as Vontae Davis, then I’d be happy to take him at 7.
Jimmy Smith's build reminded me more of Vontae Davis then Amukumara did
by Lok on Mar 6, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
I know one player on the team that would be freaking ecstatic if the F.O did that
by Lok on Mar 6, 2011 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
that would be amazing, having the davis brothers
vontae 25th overall and clay 26th overall, and if we had traded down from crabtree we coulda had them both
because another Davis on the team would do wonders
If someone asks you to name 10 players on the team just pick 5 Davis and 5 Smiths
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Agreed 100%
His speed was the question mark going into the combine and he hushed those thoughts. The guy had one ‘bad’ game in college which is what is causing everyone doubt. I find that to be ridiculous.
In Jed We Trust?
Ugh to Stanzi
otherwise, not terrible. Prince at 7? Not my favorite pick.
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#7 pick shall be swapped with Philadelphia (#23) for Kevin Kolb.
1. Best CB Available 2. Dontay Moch OLB Nevada 3. DeMarco Murray RB Oklahoma 4a. Best NT Available (Fua/Ellis?) 4b. Best DE Available (LSU guy?) 5. Terrence Toliver WR LSU 6a. Stanley Havili FB USC 6b. Greg McElroy QB Alabama 7. Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech
UDFA: A center
Yes, I took two straight QBs. Got a problem, get it fixed! Taylor is a flyer pick anyways and who knows if he makes the team. McElroy can be groomed for the future. Kolb can start. Cut Carr, don't sign Alex or Troy.
Andy Dalton - Quarterback - TCU
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
Dalton/Dowling and Little/Marecic
little because he’s coming out of UNC as a similar type of player as Hakeem Nicks who has excelled in the nfl. Marecic because he’s just a beast and would be an awesome addition to the team. Dowling would be GREAT value, but I doubt he’s left in the third round. Although had a rough combine I think his college passing and leadership speak loads about him. I know he played in the spread offense but that does not mean he can’t succeed. He is smart, a good leader, and makes good decisions, the three most important things for a QB if you’re drafting in the 3rd round. Busts happen when teams focus on other qualities in the first round and forget the things that can’t be measured at the combine or taught that are invaluable to an NFL qb. This would also allow us to focus on DB and pass rush in first two rounds.
In what situation do we not go get Owen Marecic?
I really like the Idea of getting two cornerbacks in the top 3 rounds, but I think it means giving up on taking a linebacker. If the NFL can get their act together and give us all free agency then we can figure this all out.
We need for sure, 2 quality quarterbacks, a fullback, a linebacker, two cornerbacks, a safety, a kicker, and possibly a nose tackle if we don’t sign Franklin.
It's about having the kind of faith that makes all the "what if's" irrelevant - Jim Harbaugh 2011
Frank Gore has earned his place among the great running backs of the NFL - Pat Willie on NN
Yes, I did just quote myself
“2 quality quarterbacks, a fullback, a linebacker, two cornerbacks, a safety, a kicker, and possibly a nose tackle if we don’t sign Franklin”
Close but I’d say 1-2 project QBs and get whichever great QB slides next season and then keep the better of our projects. No Safety but 3 CBs 2 #1 caliber since this draft has so many franchise caliber. And best available NT or potential elite DE/OLB
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 5:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i'd go with
2 CBs in the first 4 rounds, if not in the first 3 rounds, a NT, a FB, a K, an OLB, a QB and a DE. Re-sign Alex, and I agree entirely, draft a QB next season in potentially a much better QB class, especially if Barkley also declares. The safety class is poor this year.
While I agree that the 2012 QB is far superior I believe a good developmental QB can be found in this draft
by Lok on Mar 6, 2011 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
There are 2 QBs where talent match need and rank.
Kaep in the latter 1/3rd of the 2nd first 1/3rd of the 3rd. Or McElroy in the 5th or later.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 6, 2011 5:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing
McElroy will be there in the 5th. Kaepernick depending on if there is a run on QB could sneak his way into the 2nd
by Lok on Mar 6, 2011 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
But its all about risk-reward
I would agree with you if it was a 1st or 2nd round pick but if you have multiple picks in a round and its a later round pick why not take a flyer on a QB who has strange mechanics but has been successful and see if you can develop them into a productive QB
by Lok on Mar 6, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
Look at Bubba in golf
Nobody swings like him but he leads in driving distance and very accurate. Never has a lesson. Same w some QBs.
yeah thats entirely true, I would draft one QB for sure too
But I def wouldn’t take two this season, we have so many holes that I would prefer it if we addressed other positions because more studs are found on the D in latter rounds than QBs
Neither would I, I say draft one QB in the later rounds (3-7) and either bring in a Vet WCO QB or an undrafted Rookie and fill out the position that way
by Lok on Mar 6, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
I like the idea of two quarterbacks in the draft and one in F.A.
Especially if Alex leaves, my thinking is that out of two there’s a better chance one becomes a future starter.
If both turn out good you hit the jackpot, and you can trade one. If one is good and you drop the other, then you got a good qb which is worth more than two draft picks.
If zero are good then too bad, at least you took a shot, better luck next year. If both are backups then go get the franchise guy next year.
I definately agree that late round qb’s are not the best choice though so you have to take chances with higher round picks.
This is why I would trade away the #7 if Petersen is gone and go with 3 2nd roundish picks to take care of QB, CB and OLB if not 2 QB’s
It's about having the kind of faith that makes all the "what if's" irrelevant - Jim Harbaugh 2011
Frank Gore has earned his place among the great running backs of the NFL - Pat Willie on NN
Yes, I did just quote myself
I like two qb's in the draft also.
odds are twice as good in getting a starter.
by wtlichens on Mar 6, 2011 7:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I only like Locker in the draft, but only for the second round.
Maybe Gabbert in the middle of the first, because he was supposedly outstanding in the interviews
I see Gabbert going top ten, he shouldnt but too many teams need a QB, the latest I see him dropping is to 12 with the Vikings
by Lok on Mar 6, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
so do i, thats why I don't really count Gabbert because he will be gone in the top 5 imo.
I don’t like any of this draft’s QBs over Alex Smith, but then again, I’m one of the few massive Alex Smith fans
I believe at this point Alex is better than any QB in this class and I wouldnt mind the team resigning and developing someone behind him
If Alex succeeds, it will be one of the biggest stories of the NFL year and if he doesnt will at least it wouldnt have set the franchise back like it once did and he would be able to progress because he would be learning under an actual NFL Head Coach
by Lok on Mar 6, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
You guys should just start getting the idea of Alex succeeding out of your head. It ain't happening.
In Jed We Trust?
Thats your opinion and i'm not saying he is gonna to succeed if he came back
my argument is that at this point in time he is a better QB option than any of the incoming class of rookie QB’s and if he came back the contract would be a short term for very little money. and having a vet QB take the snaps for a year or two would allow a rookie QB develop properly
obviously it depends on who we take in the first two rounds...
but I like Dalton and Marecic a lot, and find Moch to be a very intriguing prospect as well. I think the real key is realizing the kinds of players you will and won’t find in the middle rounds— blanket, elite athlete cover corner? No, probably not. But a tough, top-notch player at an undervalued position (Marecic may be the best FB to come out in years, but teams just don’t really use FBs enough for it to matter to some), or small(ish) school prospects with some real athletic talent who just didn’t face the best competition in college (Moch)— those are the kinds of guys you can find who might succeed.
I think the winning strategy in the middle rounds is to find the guys who are obviously talented or have some skill but also have a pretty big knock on them that’s knocked them down somewhat. If you just focus on getting well rounded players you wind up with a team full of unexciting Glen Coffees— decent enough at a major college program, but with no real hope to be anything more than a reasonable backup at the NFL level.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Mar 6, 2011 5:12 PM PST reply actions
lmao i'd be laughing and kicking myself in the head at the same time..
if Alex Smith signs with another team and somehow takes over the starting spot AND continue to to lead that team into a superbowl
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
oops mistake ..anyways meant to say
Of course not, i’ll be rooting for that guy wherever he goes
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
I kinda like Dion Lewis
but I think he’s more worthy of a gamble in the late rounds than mid rounds.
Guys that are small and lack timed speed usually aren’t in high demand.
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
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