San Francisco 49ers Post-NFL Combine Mock Draft
A few weeks ago I ran my first front page 49er NFL mock draft of the off-season. Also, Drew has run a nice segment on his positional rankings, and is now working on some post combine stuff as well. I decided that there isn't a better time for me to come up with my post combine mock draft.
After the jump I will provide you with my entire 1st round NFL Mock Draft and follow that up with all of my San Francisco 49er picks.
First Round
1. Carolina Panthers: DL Nick Fairley Auburn
I was deciding between Blaine Gabbert and Fairley here. I understand that Fairley's combine weigh-in may be a bit of an issue, he is less than 300 pounds. However, I believe that Fairley will fit perfectly into his frame moving forward. Gabbert would have been a little too much of a reach at #1. Carolina will now be able to mix Fairley up with the myriad of young players they have in the front seven.
2. Denver Broncos: DL Da'Quan Bowers Clemson
Some have Denver taking Patrick Peterson here, but I just don't see it. As I have talked about before CBs do not go top 5, let alone top 3. Bowers has the ability to dominate games and Denver needs a play-maker in the front 7. Also, the Broncos re-signed Champ Bailey, presumably to play corner; so I doubt Peterson is an option at 2.
3. Buffalo Bills: QB Blaine Gabbert Missouri
I had Buffalo taking Gabbert here with my last mock. If Fairley or Bowersfall to #3, I could see them going with one of the two. However, at this point the Bills will have to go for need. In Gabbert they get a player that has tremendous upside andwho can sit behind Ryan Fitzpatrick for a season or two.
4. Cincinnati Bengals: QB Cameron Newton Auburn
The situation has changed considerably for Cincinnatisince my last mock draft. It is becoming increasingly evident that Carson Palmer will not be returning to the Bengals next season, so what do they do? Well, you guess it; find a QB. I am not completely sold on Cam Newton at this point, but many believe he will be a top ten pick and Cincinnati will be in the market for a QB.
5. Arizona Cardinals: DL Marcell Dareus Alabama
The two top QBs didn't fall to Arizona and they are not going to reach for Mallett or Locker here. Von Miller is a definite possibility at the #5 slot, but i think that Arizona will look to upgrade their defensive line with this pick.
6. Cleveland Browns: WR A.J Green Georgia
Green fits perfectly into what the Browns are trying to build on offense
7. San Francisco 49ers: CB Patrick Peterson Louisiana State
It isn't just wishful thinking that i have Peterson falling to the 49ers. There are great explanations to why I have the six teams ahead of San Francisco passing up on him. If this is the scenario that plays out, I think it is safe to say that we will all be happy. Peterson is a special talent that will come in an contribute immediately.
8. Tennessee Titans DE Aldon Smith Missouri
It was really between Smith and Robert Quinn with this pick. However, i see Smith as a better fit for Tennessee. He fits better into their system and the scheme they are attempting to utilize. If Fisher were still the coach Quinn would probably be the pick.
9. Dallas Cowboys: CB Prince Amukamara Nebraska
Last mock I had the Cowboys going with Tyron Smith here, but their pass defense was absolutely attrotious last season. Terence Newman isn't getting any younger and Jenkins doesn't seem like a #1 corner in the NFL. Dallas could go tackle later in the draft.
10. Washington Redskins: QB Ryan Mallett Arkansas
This would seem like a huge risk, that I understand. Although, Ryan Mallett looked really good during the combine and will have a chance to shine during Arkansas pro day coming up. Washington is in need of a playmaker at the QB position, and Daniel Snyder likes to go with the "flashy" picks. It may be a 15-20 pick reach, but someone is going to take a flyer on Mallett, andother than Oakland, who doesn't have a 1st round pick, Washington would be the best option to do so.
11. Houston Texans: DE/LB Robert Quinn North Carolina
They could well go with Brandon Harris here, I am not sure they they will select corners in the 1st round in two consecutive seasons. Either way, they are going to get a solid player at 11.
12. Minnesota Vikings: CB Brandon Harris Miami (F)
If Houston selects Quinn here you can flip the picks because the Vikings will jump on Quinn. That said, Antoine Winfield isn't getting much younger and the Vikings don't have much young talent at the corner position. Another option would be if Gabbert or Newton fall to 12.
13. Detroit Lions: LB Von Miller Texas A&M
Detroit needs a pass rusher, and Miller is the BPA at a need position. .
14. St. Louis Rams: WR Julio Jones Alabama
St. Louis wouldn't ask for a better scenario than Jones falling to them. They need a receiver to go with Sam Bradford in the passing game, in Julio Jones they get that.
15. Miami Dolphins: OT Tyron Smith Southern California
Miami could go many different directions with the 15th pick. They need a QB, RB, OT, G, DL, LB, CB and S. This is a team in transition, but in order for any QB to succeed they need to have decent protection; and at this point Miami's offensive line leaves a lot to be desired.
16. Jacksonville Jaguars: DE J.J. Watt Wisconsin
NFL Network has Watt listed as the 3rd best defensive end in the draft, and I didn't understand why. However, after i watched clips of him during the last week, now I know. Watt is a solid player that has a great motor. He also fits a need position for Jacksonville.
17. New England Patriots: OT Anthony Castonzo Boston College
With six picks in the first 3 rounds New England can afford to go BPA withevery selection; they won't with the 17thpick. New England needs to upgrade the offensive line position, and after the 1st round tackles there is a nice drop-off. Look for them to go need first, and BPA later.
18. San Diego Chargers: LB Akeem Ayers UCLA
Larry English has not panned out and Shawne Merriman is no longer on the roster. Those two variables mean that San Diego will look pass rush here. They get 2nd best natural OLB in the draft in Ayers.
19. New York Giants: OT Nate Solder Colorado
The Giants have a need in the secondary, but the top three corners are off the board here. Look for them to continue what they have attempted to build over the seasons; a strong foundation on both lines. Now that the defensive line appears set New York will go tackle at 19.
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers DE Cameron Jordan California
Tampa Bay's pass rush was horrible last season, it could be in fact the primary reason they didn't make the playoffs. Cameron Jordan will add a nice amount of pass rush opposite Gerald McCoy.
21. Kansas City Chiefs: DE Ryan Kerrigan Purdue
Kansas City needs to upgrade the pass rushing position even if Tamba Hali returns. This selection of Kerrigan rectifies the situation to some extent
22. Indianapolis Colts: S Rahim Moore UCLA
Bob Sanders is out, and the rest of the Colts safety core doesn't look too great. Rahim Moore is by far and away the best safety in the draft.
23. Philadelphia Eagles: G Mike Pouncey Florida
Michael Vick could not even escape the horrible Eagle offensive line play last season. In fact, he was almost murdered on multiple occasions. Philadelphia is not going to invest 50-75 million on a QB and leave him hanging against the pass rush.
24. New Orleans Saints: RB Mark Ingram Alabama
Pierre Thomas, Corey Ivy and Reggie Bush. are not the answer for the Saints running game. New Orleans playoff loss to Seattle showed me something. It showed me that the Saints need a primary running back to help take the load off of Drew Brees
25. Seattle Seahawks: DT Stephen Paea Oregon State
At this point Jake Locker would be just too much of a reach for Seattle and they need upgrades almost everywhere on defense. Paea will work real nice opposite Brandon Mebane.
26. Baltimore Ravens: CB Aaron Williams Texas
Chris Carr, Fabian Washington and Josh Wilson do not scare opposing offenses. Baltimroe is going to need to upgrade at this position during the off-season. The problem is that they don't have a whole lot of money to invest in a top tier free agent CB. So, they go with the next best option.
27. Atlanta Falcons: TE Kyle Rudolph Notre Dame
It has been noted that Atlanta wants to give Matt Ryan more offensive weapons. Tony Gonzalez is nearing the end of his great career, and there is not a better player for Rudolph to learn from. Take it from someone that has watched every Notre Dame game over the last couple seasons, Rudolph is a special talent.
28. New England Patriots: DT Phil Taylor Baylor
We all know how New England likes to stack up at certain positions, and defensive line is one of them. Currently the Patriots have Vince Wilfork and Ron Brace to man the 3-4 NT position. However, one is getting up there in age (Wilfork), and the other one continues to under perform.
29. Chicago Bears: OT Derek Sherrod Mississippi State
If Chicago doesn't upgrade at the tackle position Jay Cutler is going to be killed. Their offensive line play bordered on horrific all season long, and Sherrod is the perfect fit for them at 29.
30. New York Jets: DL Corey Liuget Illinois
I thought about Titus Young or Leonard Hankerson here because Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards and Brad Smith are all slated to be free agents. I just don't see the Jets reaching for either. Running the type of defensive scheme that New York runs, i see Liuget being a perfect fit for them.
31. Pittsburgh Steelers: OT Gabe Carimi Wisconsin
Flozell Adams is pretty much done and Pittsburgh really has no one to replace him. Gabe Carimi looks to be the type of player Pittsburgh loves to draft. He isn't flashy, doesn't have the best athleticism, but all he does is get the job done at the end of the day.
32. Green Bay Packers: OT Demarcus Love Arkansas
Green Bay did draft Bryan Bulaga last season, and that worked out pretty good for them. I look for the Packersto find another book end to help protect their Super Bowl winning QB.
Entire San Francisco 49ers Mock Draft
1. CB- Patrick Peterson Louisiana State
I honestly believe that Peterson will be available to the 49ers at #7, and if he is, it would be a no-brainer. Peterson would immediately come in and be their #1 CB and an immediate game chaning type of player.
2. QB- Jake Locker Washington
Some may question why Locker would fall to the 49ers in the 2nd round, but i see him going the way of Jimmy Clausen in this draft. Locker did not have a great supporting cast at Washington, but he has not done much this off-season to warrent a higher selection. That said, I think he is going to be one heck of an NFL QB.
3. RB- Shane Vereen California
We all know my feelings about Vereen, I would love to have him here. However, I went up and down the player rankings to find a pass rusher over Vereen. The problem is I couldn't find one that would be available here worth a 49er selection.
4. LB- Casey Matthews Oregon
The ultimate BPA available pick. San Francisco doesn't have a need for another ILB with Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman on the roster. That said, you cannot pass up on a talent like Matthews in the 4th round.
4. LB- Chris Carter Fresno State
Continuing with my west coast theme is Chris Carter. Listen, I didn't watch many Fresno State games; however, I have seen a nice amount of Carter in tape and this guy can get to the QB.
5. CB- Chris Rucker Michigan State
San Francisco needs to come out of this draft with two solid corners. Grabbing Patrick Peterson with the 7th pick is great, but they need to follow that up with another pick later. I don't understand why Rucker is slotted to go in the 5th, I believe he is much better than that.
6. WR- Terrance Tolliver Louisiana State
I juggled with the idea of drafting Vincent Brown in Casey Matthews slot, but I couldn't justify it. Tolliver will never be a #1 or #2 WR in the NFL. But, what he can do is make the big plays and contribute on special teams.
6. FB- Stanley Havili Southern California
Owen Marecic continues to jump up the draft boards, and at this point is most likely a 3rd or 4th round pick. With a nice amount of solid FBs in the draft it would be hard to justify picking him that high. Stanley Havili represents both need and value in the 6th.
7. DE- Pernell McPhee Mississippi State
Fits perfectly into a 3-4 scheme. At 280 LBs, McPhee has the size to succeed in the NFL. That said, does he has the character and passion to? Time will tell!
7. S- Tejay Johnson Texas Christian
Johnson continues to be projected as the 7th round pick, and that I do not understand. I watched this guy make play after player for TCU the last two seasons. He may not be flashy, but dude sure can play.
So tell me what you think? I believe that this mock would be awesome for the 49ers. Is it wishful thinking? I don't think so, I can justify each and every selection. If San Francisco could find a pass rusher in the 3rd round and go RB later, I wouldn't be against it. Getting Peterson and Locker with their 1st two picks solidifies two major areas of concern moving forward.
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Where's AJ Green?
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
And Harbamania. And the San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series season.
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 7, 2011 10:11 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Aaron Williams and Brandon Harris both ahead of Jimmy Smith?
Jimmy Smith will be taken in the top 20 imo. Good mock apart from that – I think it will change quite a bit with Green though.
Marecic jumping up for a reason
I would not mind stretching out for him all the way up to 4.
Or maybe it is because he is the the anti Moran Norris as far as the in between ears part.
Yeah, sure.
I guess he can not block or catch either, and that is exactly the reason his stocks keep going up and our coach has a man crush on him.
I guess they all forgot to ask rileyg1 for the sage advice.
would you take him over casey mattews in the fourth?
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Mar 7, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm
A guy that would not contribute on defense and will only play ST. Or a guy who can play offense and be special on ST (pun intended).
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Hmm , i don't think it's too outlandish to think he won't contribute to only St's ...!!
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Who matthews?
You expect him to win the starting job on D?
Kellen Moore is awesome
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Guess it's not impossible
but EXPECT is a strong word considering he’d have to beat out 1/2 of what is arguably the best pair of 3-4 linebackers in the league
THE MOCK DRAFT SIG RETURNS! (v3.0)
1. Patrick Peterson CB LSU 2. Jake Locker QB Washington OR Christian Ponder QB Florida State 3. Brooks Reed OLB Arizona (or Best OLB Available) 4a. Sione Fua DE/NT Stanford 4b. Owen Marecic FB/LB Stanford 5. Terrence Toliver WR LSU 6a. Alex Henrey K/P Nebraska 6b. Derrick Locke RB Kentucky 7. Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech
Drafted QB can start, or (better option) we can pick up someone like Carson Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck, or Donovan McNabb for a year or two.
You don't think he could beat out spikes or willis
Kellen Moore is awesome
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Its so impossible to mock out later rounds of a draft...
Round 1 is hard enough; considering that its difficult for me to guage what kind of value those guys are at those draft positions without the context of who’s getting taken around them.
That said going just off of the players themselves, I’d be pretty happy with this scenario….If Peterson and Locker both dropped to the Niners, It would be hard not to be excited. Haven’t been a big Locker fan but to get him in the 2nd would change my tune a bit (though my hope is still that Mallett is there in round 2).
So yeah, I don’t put much stock in predicting beyond round 1-2 but would be happy with a similar group of players.
locker is a bust
locker = epic fail
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
Fartknockers
That was a fail of epic proportions!! My original mock before transferring over had Green to the Bills then the Browns. However, I must have forgotten him in the final draft.
No excuses, EPIC FAIL!!!
Mila "Sweet Lips" Kunis, as stated by Scarlett Johansson. I couldn't agree more. Reverse would be true too!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 7, 2011 10:29 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm loving it!
Now trade for Asomugha and get Peterson, and we’ll be set in the corner arena for a while. Move Clements to safety and Bam!
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Trade for a guy that isn't on contract?
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why not?
insert cat picture here
lol
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Mar 7, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
AJ Green...
With AJ Green going undrafted because of character issues, the Niners swoop in and grab him as an undrafted free agent, much like LeGarrett Blount last year (and damnit, if we only HAD been able to get Blount like was initially reported, we wouldn’t be talking about drafting an RB in the 3rd!).
All kidding aside, I think we need to get a defensive end that can get to the passer earlier than the 7th round. Not sold on Soap being the answer there…
by Lott'sMissingPinky on Mar 7, 2011 10:39 AM PST reply actions
I agree, NT should be a priority in the 4th - 6th rounds.. see who is best.
It is very possible that Franklin will not be a 49er this season and since they can’t bank on him coming back, they need to fill that position.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
vincent, love the balls of throwing up many rounds of choices
I agree with manbearpig21, it’s so hard to project even the first 7 let alone 7 rounds of picks of availability. I’d say your draft is believable, but I would give it a C.
I don’t think Havili will be there in round 6
I’m not a huge fan of Jake Locker, especially in the 2nd.
I think grabbing a RB in the 3rd is also addressing it too early unless its the BPA.
Overall, I think you addressed a lot of needs, but I would walk away from that draft going “Eh”. Good job though and I appreciate the explanation on picks and the detail you went through!
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Ras-I Dowling
Will be a 49er, and a better corner than Peterson.
BOLD STATEMENT!!!!
but not to smart however!!
seriously, you need to have a title when you post a pick
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
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This
is offensive in more ways than one.
Nazi’s are not protectors of anything so bad comparison.
Grammer needs no protection, it’s a privelidge that is earned by studying. If you choose not to use it, it’s on you.
The symbol is a G for grammer of the English language and is fashioned after the Nazi symbol decidedly offensive to all people who use the English language and are not Anti Semite and racists.
So Offensive with a capital O is how I see this picture.
Happy Grammering
…hope I didn’t come off like a tight ass but I hate this
It's about having the kind of faith that makes all the "what if's" irrelevant - Jim Harbaugh 2011
Frank Gore has earned his place among the great running backs of the NFL - Pat Willie on NN
Yes, I did just quote myself
Analysis
Peterson in the first is win.
Locker in the second isn’t a great choice, but there really aren’t any great choices at QB in this draft, so I can’t call it questionable. I like him better than anyone else we could get out of the 2nd or lower rounds. Come draft day I just don’t think he’ll be there.
Vereen in the 3rd.. I thought maybe you must be missing someone if you couldn’t find an OLB here, but looking at some projections.. you are right. There aren’t any. He has the moves to be a feature back. I like it.
Matthews in the 4th.. When is he going to get any playing time? With the depth we already have, I don’t think Matthews makes the roster, and this would be a wasted pick. We just can’t devote that many roster spots to the ILB position.
Chris Carter in the 4th.. I haven’t seen tape on him or read anything interesting about him one way or the other. A guy I have seen tape on, and watched in person at team scrimmages and live games is Stephen Friday from VT. You might want to take a look at him too. Can’t say anything bad about Carter though.
I think the issue with Rucker in the 5th is his speed. I’ve seen him listed at 4.58.. do you have more recent data? I’m seeing he only did the bench press at the combine. If 4.58 is right he’s not even a decent camp body.
I like Havili and Johnson picks, although I’d rather grab some depth for the O-line at some point here.. maybe in the 6th instead of the DE.
Overall I’d be happy with the top and bottom of the draft, but think with the exception of maybe Carter the 4th and 5th rounds were a little bit off.
Rucker's got great game speed. His 40-time is misleading.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Then he'd be good value that low.
Honestly this is the first time I ever heard his name.. I had to go digging to see who he was and one of the reasons I asked if he had more recent data is I’m not sure how old or accurate what I found was.
Decent
While I’m not a huge Locker fan, I’d be fine with the 9ers taking him in the 2nd round.
Sorry, Vince, I gave it a C and that was a bit of a stretch. Here's why ...
1. You selected ten players … but five of them will already be gone where you picked them (Locker at 45, Carter at 114, Tolliver at 168, Havili at 185, and McPhee at 199).
2. With AF gone in free agency, next after the big three (QB, CB, OLB), we need to draft a NT … you didn’t get one.
3. Even though he won’t be available at 45, Jake Locker IMO isn’t the best QB prospect for the Niners; too much of a project; better shorter term solutions like Kaepernick or Dalton would be available at 45; the best WCO prospect is Ponder but you would have to trade up to a pick in the low 30s to get him.
4. Vareen would be available at 76, but why pick a third-string RB this high? OLB is far more important … especially if Lawson isn’t resigned. Even a NT is more important than a RB here. Understand that you like Vareen as a player, but improving the TEAM is the goal.
5. Again, Mathews would be available at 107, but why a ILB? We have zero need for another ILB. Again, I know that you like Mathews as a player, but this pick just doesn’t make sense.
6. Chris Carter won’t be available at 114. But beyond that, IMO you should select an OLB where you took Vereen … could get a better player than Carter at a need position in the third round.
That’s enough critique for now … sorry to disappoint. But thanks for your efforts … I know that you put time into this post.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 7, 2011 11:20 AM PST reply actions
I have a question
Who says that Franklin is going to be gone in free agency? Am I missing something? Secondly, I was going by NFL Draft Site and their projection of where players are slotted to go. Every player I picked was available where the 49ers selected under their projections with the exception of Locker who went four picks earlier.
Mila "Sweet Lips" Kunis, as stated by Scarlett Johansson. I couldn't agree more. Reverse would be true too!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 7, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Responses to your questions ...
1. Aubrayo Franklin — While he might resign with the Niners when we finally get a new CBA, I think that it’s unlikely; the Niners used the Franchise Tag on him last year (thus paying him top dollar) and his play was not improved over 2009; they had an opportunity to negotiate a long-term deal with him and chose not to, they did not put the Franchise Tag on him again for 2011; he wants to test free agency and I think that some other team will be willing to pay him more than he’s worth and/or what the Niners would be willing to pay; hence, I conclude that he’s PROBABLY, though not necessarily, gone.
2. Prospect Rankings — First, let me say that I feel your pain (i.e., frustration with the lack of reliable prospect ranking data), I think that we all do. Our obvious problem is that none of us can afford to have our own scouting staffs to evaluate and rank players, so we have to rely on someone else … via the internet. Basically, there are three types of websites available:
a. Sites that will rank players by position and sometimes rank the top 100 prospects — Draft Countdown, NFL Draft Dog, Mocking the Draft, About.com are examples. Obviously these guys don’t give you the info that you want … how does the #7 WR compare to the #3 RB, etc. So, you get a view of the opinion of prospect rankings in the first three rounds, but that’s not enough.
Sites that will provide you with a 7-round mock draft – the site that you use, NFL Draft Site, is one of a number of such sources. The difficulty is that they are basically just an opinion poll matching remaining prospects on a list with team needs and are done either by computer or a bunch of guys selecting for given teams. The problem is that they are NOT based on real scouting reports and reflect all sorts of personal biases. What we want is access to “professional assessments” of prospects and an unbiased (obviously not really possible) relative comparative ranking of all prospects.c. Sites that at least make an effort to rank order prospects within position and then slot each prospect into an overall ranking (NOT just the top 100 prospects). To my knowledge there are only three services that provide such rankings. One (The Huddle Report) is a subscription service — I formerly subscribed but found that (1) their scouting reports didn’t thoroughly evaluate enough players, and (2) their rankings, when compared to the actual draft after the fact, weren’t that reliable. I stopped subscribing. That leaves us with two free services (and I remind you that you get what you pay for) — NFL Draft Scout and Draft Tek. I usually look at both but am frequently frustrated by the diversity of their opinions (see some examples below). When evaluating each’s final pre-draft rankings with actual draft results I have found Draft Scout to be more reliable than Draft Tek, but they are both far from great. You might want to ask Drew which sites, other than his own personal analysis, he prefers.
So that you see the diversity of opinion, I will list your Niner mock draft selections below, than list the overall ranking of the prospect by the various services, in this order: NFLDraftSite (your source), NFLDraftScout (my preference), DraftTek, DraftCountdown (only top 100), About.com (only top 100):
Pick 7: Patrick Peterson 3,1,1,2,2 (thus a strong possibility that he won’t be available at #7)
Pick 45: Jake Locker 41, 24, 34,16, 25 (again, probably not available)
Pick 76: Shane Vereen 84, 92, 80, 96, 100 (thus, very high probability that he would be available)
Pick 107: Casey Mathews 109, 144, 99, NR (not rated in top 100), NR (maybe available)
Pick 114: Chris Carter 128, 84, 103, 91, NR (maybe available)
Pick 137: Chris Rucker 140, 174, 165, Nr, NR (probably available)
Pick 168: Terrence Tolliver 170, 112, 130, NR, NR (probably not available)
Pick 185: Stanley Havili 197, 142, 132, NR (injured), 64 (probably not available)
Pick 199: Pernell McPhee 201, 97, 195, NR, NR
Pick 204: Tejay Johnson 215, 342, 312, NR, NR
Yikes! Who the hell do you believe? Just for giggles, let me show you a few of the REALLY diverse opinions:
CB Ras-I Dowling 149, 70, 85, 55, 55
NT Kendrick Ellis 150, 68, 126, 92, 80
RB Jacquizz Rodgers 155, 113, 76, NR, 57
FB Owen Marecic 175, 161, 88
RB Derrick Locke 228, 153, 165, NR, NR
This is enough to drive you crazy! My solution … pick one and go with it, but, be sure to compare their pre-draft rankings to the actual draft to see who’s most reliable. I like NFLDraftScout because (1) I can look at actual scouting reports on prospects I’m most interested in, (2) I think that Rob Rang is one of the better draft analysts that I read, particularly for QBs, and (3) they tend to be the most conservative service … that is, generally, if they think that a player will be available at a certain pick their right much more often than they’re wrong. Have fun!!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 7, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
I AGREE WITH YOU UNCLE...
I don’t see the majority of these potential selections being available at their designated picks. I love Rodney Hudson as a second to help bolster/ expand a young, tough offensive line. I could see ponder, but it’s more of a gamble. I don’t believe anyone on here has attempted to calibrate the levels of consciousness of these potential NFL players. I believe a research team calibrating the level of consciousness of all potential picks will shed the light of truth on who will have the most productive NFL career. 49ERS NEED A CONSCIOUSNESS CALIBRATION TEAM TO DETERMINE TRUTH!
I agree with most of your points about his mock
But the fact that you already know where all these players are going to be drafted is blowing my mind!
In Jed We Trust?
Sorry, didn't mean to be a know-it-all! I was just comparing Vincent's mock to the overall player rankings at NFLDraftScout (see explanation above)
Damn! Am I coming across as a smart-ass? If so, I need to do one of two things — check out Niner Nation at a time other than cocktail hour (after two or three drinks) or stop drinking. Uh, I guess we know which of the choices will win out. Sorry guys!!!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 7, 2011 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Hate this draft other than a couple of picks
1. Love it
2. Love it. Don’t see how he is going to fail is it because he doesn’t have the tangibles, the intangibles is it because we don’t have a quality coach, or because our current offensive team doesn’t have the supporting class to let him develop?
3. A RB over a NT or another defensive player? Ellis and Fua both will be there and both will be worth the pick. Instead of a RB who would have to fight for carries.
4. an ILB are you serial? Sure its BPA but he won’t see the field other than ST.
4. I like it
5. I like it
After round 5 I don’t care that much.
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I gave it a D
Would’ve been a B if you didn’t draft an ILB
Kellen Moore is awesome
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So
drafting Casey Matthews in the 4th round drops my grade from a B to a D? Either you really don’t like Matthews or you are placing too much value in a need in the 4th round. Either way, it makes no sense to drop a draft grade that much based on a single 4th round pick, especially if that pick is Matthews.
Mila "Sweet Lips" Kunis, as stated by Scarlett Johansson. I couldn't agree more. Reverse would be true too!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 7, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
It was a waste of a pick.
He will never start and won’t get much playing time unless Willis or Bowman gets injured. You might as well draft a TE to get with it.
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Not Really
Are you completely sold on Bowman? Additionally, using a 4th round pick on a player of Matthews calibur is never a problem, if it is that is a problem I would love to have. Additionally, Matthews can go to the OLB position on obvious pass rushing downs and get to the QB; he has that ability. It is a win-win pick
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 7, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Mathews isn't an OLB he is not his brother
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so you think the niners will have 5 ILB on the roster next year?
takeo is probably coming back
stater
willis and spikes
backups
bowman and mckilop with kristick probably on the practice squad.
and bowman played great in the last game.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Mar 7, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Well
Not bad but I think a guy Ayers could be there in the second round as he didn’t impress at the combine. The reason it’s so hard to predict the second round on is because of FA. If the Niners land a QB via FA then they could hold off drafting QB until the 4th or later. That would allow the Niners to take a guy like Kendrick Ellis the DT. They then could go after a OLB or another CB int he third and then fill out the roster with a RB, FB, ILB and QB.
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I’d be happy with the first two rounds… truthfully, I’m not as high on Locker’s pro future as you are, but I do think if anyone could get the best out of him it would be a guy like Harbaugh. The accuracy numbers scare me, but a physically talented QB like that in round 2 would be hard to scoff at.
I would replace one of the two LBs in the 4th round with Owen Marecic, if possible. To me, the gap between him and Havili, who you have us taking in the 6th, is indeed that huge.
Other than that… I guess I would prefer Jacquizz Rodgers over Shane Vereen, if possible, but I like Vereen too, so it’ s not like I’d be disappointed with the pick. Pretty good overall— and I like the Rucker pick a lot in the 5th.
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by Smoke on the Water on Mar 7, 2011 12:13 PM PST reply actions
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/12/31/1905817/jake-locker-vs-nebraska
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If we draft Locker, I dearly hope he doesn’t turn out to be Clausen 2.0
Trees rule. Don't even try to deny it.
You mean going onto a good team with good coaching where the talent on his team is significantly better than other teams.
To an NFL team where most teams are pretty equal? Ya don’t worry
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no, alex smith 10.5
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Mar 7, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Like it, Casey Matthews pick was great.....he may be gone in the 3rd.
Ponder over Locker….sorry, but Locker has accuracy issues like Alex Smith and Ponder does not.
Moch would be a better OLB pass rusher than the other kid you picked from Fresno….wary about Fresno players, they look great because they play 2nd rated teams most of the time.
Vareen is a nice pick, but mostly a luxury pick, so a DE would be better suited.
Tolliver is fine, but I think a guy like Maehl from Oregon is better in the slot. He isn’t overly fast in the 40 time, but he did have one of the best 3 cone drills…..he is quick like Welker and can find a hole to sit in.
GREG McELROY needs to be drafted by the 49ers in the late rounds. He can be placed on the practice squad and learn the O. He is better than given credit for and is a perfect WCO QB.
I doubt someone like McElroy would be safe on the P-squad.
THE MOCK DRAFT SIG RETURNS! (v3.0)
1. Patrick Peterson CB LSU 2. Jake Locker QB Washington OR Christian Ponder QB Florida State 3. Brooks Reed OLB Arizona (or Best OLB Available) 4a. Sione Fua DE/NT Stanford 4b. Owen Marecic FB/LB Stanford 5. Terrence Toliver WR LSU 6a. Alex Henrey K/P Nebraska 6b. Derrick Locke RB Kentucky 7. Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech
Drafted QB can start, or (better option) we can pick up someone like Carson Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck, or Donovan McNabb for a year or two.
Somebody would pick him up just to have him hold a clipboard
his 48 Wonderlich all but assures that.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 7, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
He can not only hold the clipboard,
He can tell you how much gravitational force it exerts on Uranus.
please review wonderlic scores on how it relates to qb success rate before citing it.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Mar 7, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Dontay Moch would not be available where i picked Chris Carter
In my opinion Moch will be gone in the 2nd round. So, I was really choosing between going with Moch in the 2nd and Kaepernick or Dalton in the 4th. Or, Locker in the 2nd and Carter in the 4th. Get my point?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 7, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Colin is going a lot earlier than the 4th.
He could very well be off the board before Locker. Locker, Ponder and Kaepernick will be off the board before the 2nd round is completed.
Cain is Able ...
Harbaugh thinks..
…that Alex Smith is very accurate. That was the first adjective he used before talking about anything else.
So why do you disagree with Harbaugh?
Because he is wrong
That is strike one for Harbaugh in my book. He obviously hasn’t been riding the San Francisco 49er train for the past 6 years. He can like him all he wants, he doesn’t have a QB right now and has no clue who will and can be his QB. Fact is, I am sure Trent and the rest of the FO has no intent to resigning him unless they are backed into a corner of no other options.
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i like the mathews pick
bowman is athletic enough to move to olb. he got to the qb in the few chances he had this year. he might be a project there but if we could have willis and mathews in the middle plus bowman on the outside and spend a 3rd on a olb, we could have some badass young linebackers
actually he was a project moving inside. He played DE and OLB in college.
by darkhorse_2000 on Mar 7, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Matthews played OLB in Oregon?
He played MLB bro
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Thought you were talking about Matthews
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in the 4-3
4-3 OLB projects better to 3-4 ILB.
THE MOCK DRAFT SIG RETURNS! (v3.0)
1. Patrick Peterson CB LSU 2. Jake Locker QB Washington OR Christian Ponder QB Florida State 3. Brooks Reed OLB Arizona (or Best OLB Available) 4a. Sione Fua DE/NT Stanford 4b. Owen Marecic FB/LB Stanford 5. Terrence Toliver WR LSU 6a. Alex Henrey K/P Nebraska 6b. Derrick Locke RB Kentucky 7. Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech
Drafted QB can start, or (better option) we can pick up someone like Carson Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck, or Donovan McNabb for a year or two.
Agreed
But none of that is set in stone. The guy is 6’0 242 and can run like crazy. Why not move him outside? If he can handle guards I’m sure he can handle tackles. And again it’s not like this would be new to him, the played off the edge his whole career. Furthermore this is a guy that was rated as a top 3 OLB coming out and was considered to have 1st round talent……at OLB.
by darkhorse_2000 on Mar 7, 2011 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
maybe we can get carson palmers brother if we can not get carson palmer.
that is how it sounds when people get on the brother of good player bandwagon.
cheers to getting jordan palmer
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My Niners Mock Draft
1. Patrick Peterson (we be extremely fortunate if he were to fall this low, but it is a possibility) or Vonn Miller (which would make or linebacking core top five in the league IMO)
2. Christian Ponder or Ras-I Dowling – CB (if we didn’t get PP in the first)
3. Dontay Moch – OLB (if we didn’t get Vonn in the first) or Colin Kaepernick – QB (if he’s still on the board and we didn’t get Ponder in the second)
4a. Owen Maracic – FB (there are no “if’s” about this one… let’s hope he falls to the fourth)
4b. Casey Matthews – MLB or Greg McElroy – QB (if we didnt get Ponder or Kaepernick at this point) or Shane Vereen – RB (if he’s still on the board)
5. Noel Devine – RB (if we didnt get Vereen) or Mark Herzlich – OLB
6a. Greg Salas – WR or Terrence Tolliver – WR
6b. Alex Henery – K (best kicker in the draft)
7a. Mike Mohamed – MLB
7b. Austin Pettis – WR
I would not be opposed. I like Ponder a tad bit more though. And we need to address CB early (as in the first two rounds) so if we don’t get PP or Prince in the first, we need Dowling or Aaron Williams in the second (I don’t think Williams will be there for the record though)
I really like Kaepernick though and I think if anybody could turn him into an NFL player it’s Harbaugh.
agreed.....
I would love to see Alex, Josh Johnson, and colin competing in training camp….
needs moar Fua!
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You can make compelling cases against any of the top 6 teams selecting Petersen:
1-Car-"You don’t draft a cornerback 1st overall unless he just won the Heisman!"
2-Den-"You don’t draft a cornerback when you’ve just paid the one you have $43M!"
3-Buf-"Our secondary is solid, we need a quarterback or a d-lineman!"
4-Cin-"We already have Johnathan Joseph, lets get a QB, DL or WR!"
5-Ari-"We just drafted DRC in the 1st two years ago. We need pass rush help!"
6-Cle-"We just drafted Joe Haden last year…who was that guy from Detroit that kept on drafting the same position year after year? That guy sucked, let’s not be like that guy!"
Best case scenario for the top 6 picks:
1Car Dareus, 2Den Fairley, 3Buf Newton: 4Cin Jones 5Ari Gabbert 6Cle Bowers
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I love this scenario based on the first four alone.
- Peterson – no brainer
- Locker – I’ve posted here before, I think there is something there – accuracy issues noted, I rationalize that he had a weak supporting cast, but I like his athleticism. Seems like a natural leader to me. I also like Ponder here.
- Vereen – as a UCLA Bruin alum and fan (yeah, sad), I’ve watched this guy play and he’s a talent.
- Matthews – great 4th round selection
Would like to see a later round pick on an O-Lineman…. I’m still not sold on Rachal, and as much as I respect Heitman, he’s aging… Staley injury prone…. can they find a guy who can start with the second pick in the 4th? Why not?!
Ehhh.
Only one of these picks (Peterson) really seems to fit a need. And I don’t know how much credit you can give a team for making a no-brainer pick like that at #7. Jake Locker would be a terrible choice, imo – though one we hopefully won’t have the option of making, as he may be off the board by our second selection. If he does, though, you can believe that I’ll be kneeling in front of my TV praying not to hear his name. Taking Vereen in the third is a big gamble. That round has a lot of names that we could get good use out of, as well as a few that could fall and be a steal in that round. To pass up on all of that to take a backup halfback (which is arguably the most easily-filled roster spot on a football team) seems a bit foolish to me.
I can’t really critique the picks in the second half of the draft, as they are always hard to place, and thus, hard to judge as well.
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Couldn't one of you guys who are into programming
create a simulator like they use on “Deadliest Warrior,” where you could enter all of the measurables on each player, tweak it by adding some of the intangibles on each player (I would guess from scouting reports and personal observations) (you could also enter all of the data from NFL players, too), and then running the program in different scenarios to see how each player does going against different levels of competition, different schemes, etc?
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To suggest is to volunteer.
1. That’s a huge freaking project.
2. Official data and accurate scouting reports for all current NFL players is going to be almost impossible to dig up.
3. There are 22 players on the field.. EA Sports with a budget of billions still can’t get a simulation anywhere close to right. Football is a very complex game when you break it down to the nuts and bolts.
True, I didn’t really think about the amount of time and work that would take.
But, for an outfit with the right capital to create it and do the player research, can you imagine how many teams would pay to use the program (as long as it actually worked) (and the cost wasn’t prohibitive)?
Once the software was done, it shouldn’t be too hard to modify it for NBA, NCAA, etc.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
With the team sizes in basketball
And the game being less team based than the NFL, it’s much easier to de-couple the team’s contribution from the individual and make a good analysis.
Same for baseball… the origin sport of advanced statistical analysis.
The software there already exists.. Mark Cuban is a big fan of sports analytics in the NBA.. I don’t know much about baseball. It was fun as hell to play, but watching it on TV is about as appealing as watching grass grow.
I like this draft a lot
The only things I question are the two LB picks. Matthews won’t beat out any of the incumbent ILBs and the other guy is a no-name from a questionable program. Otherwise, great! I especially like the Vereen pick. We don’t know if Gore will return to his former high level of play after the broken hip, and Dixon hasn’t shown that he can shoulder the load. I see only upside in picking up a quality feature back who can share the load while learning pass protection. In two or three years, there’ll be No More Gore, and I’d hate to be stuck with a crap running game because we neglected the position.
THE MOCK DRAFT SIG RETURNS! (v3.0)
1. Patrick Peterson CB LSU 2. Jake Locker QB Washington OR Christian Ponder QB Florida State 3. Brooks Reed OLB Arizona (or Best OLB Available) 4a. Sione Fua DE/NT Stanford 4b. Owen Marecic FB/LB Stanford 5. Terrence Toliver WR LSU 6a. Alex Henrey K/P Nebraska 6b. Derrick Locke RB Kentucky 7. Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech
Drafted QB can start, or (better option) we can pick up someone like Carson Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck, or Donovan McNabb for a year or two.
Just by getting PEterson it's an A
Plus Locker in the 2nd, it would be awesome. Too bad in this mock the niners didn’t get a dominant OLB, unless one of the 4th rounders surprise.
Great move
Put Patrick Peterson as your #1 (he’ll be gone by 7) so you could fill the rest of your picks with meh.
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Tolliver will never be a #1 or #2 WR in the NFL.
i disagree. i think Toliver is excellent. getting him in the 6th would be an all-time epic steal.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
plus one.
he makes over the should catches and has some good hands.
could be a tad faster but that is not going to stop him from being great.
think he will be gone by the fourth. hope he is a niner.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Mar 8, 2011 12:05 AM PST up reply actions

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