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2011 NFL Draft: Prince Amukamara Not Just A Consolation In Lieu Of Patrick Peterson

It's about time I go through and clumsily list my rankings, big board and projections when it comes to the 2011 NFL Draft. I say clumsily because we already have an NCAA guy, Drew K, and he's very likely my superior in most cases, but I've been hitting more often than I've been missing, and it's led folks to ask me to post my own thoughts in a more expanded format, so I'm here to do that. I will cover most positions, list a big board at the end, and generally talk at length about guys, of whom 95% won't be wearing Red and Gold next year.

The Cornerback

The 49ers do have a couple of corners who are not absolutely terrible by any stretch of the imagination. Nate Clements, Shawntae Spencer and Tarell Brown round out the top three, and you could probably do worse. I am of the opinion that our corners would look better if the team had an improved pass rush and better safeties, but I think it's unanimous that the position does indeed need an upgrade. 

The NFC West isn't the best division when it comes to receiving targets, but there are definitely some threats. The Arizona Cardinals are a quarterback away from having a dangerous passing attack with Larry Fitzgerald being one of the best receivers in the league. The Seattle Seahawks had a couple guys do well last year, and they'll look to be better with a new quarterback as well. While the St. Louis Rams have their quarterback, a couple young receivers, and potentially a big name free agent of draftee to add to their lineup in 2011. So there's a lot there.

Like I've said in the past, Nate Clements is a lot better than most give him credit for. He is a solid starter and is likely here to stay, contract or not. Shawntae Spencer can be good at times, but his inconsistency is maddening ... I mean, here's a guy who won the starting corner job in 2009 coming off an injury as a dark horse candidate and was unquestionably the best corner on the team that year, and he followed it up with a rather lackluster performance in 2010. It's unanimous that the 49ers need an upgrade at the position.

Fortunately, this is a great cornerback draft. If you're looking for domination right away, a couple of these guys can do it, but the thing I like most, much like the outside linebacker class, is the fact that it's unquestionably full of potential throughout the top fifteen or twenty guys. The top corners are cant-miss prospects, but if there ever was a draft in which you have to forsake your CB need early to grab another top player, this is the one. After the jump, I've got some rankings, some percentages regarding the chances any given player is drafted by San Francisco in each round, and thoughts on each of my top fifteen guys.

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Cornerback Prospect Ranking

Rank Player/School Height/Weight/40 Time Rd. 1 Rd. 2 Rd. 3 Rd. 4 Rd. 5 Rd. 6 Rd. 7
1 Patrick Peterson, LSU 6'0'', 218 lbs, 4.32 99% N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
2 Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 6'0'', 205 lbs, 4.37 90% N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
3 Jimmy Smith, Colorado 6'2'', 210 lbs, 4.38 70% 90% 95% N/A N/A N/A N/A
4 Brandon Harris, Miami 5'10'', 194 lbs, 4.43 25% 85% 90% N/A N/A N/A N/A
5 Davon House, New Mexico St 6'1'', 200 lbs, 4.35 10% 80% 85% N/A N/A N/A N/A
6 Aaron Williams, Texas 6'0'', 204 lbs, 4.44 5% 80% 90% 95% N/A N/A N/A
7 Johnny Patrick, Louisville 5'11'', 188 lbs, 4.46 0% 65% 80% 85% N/A N/A N/A
8 Curtis Brown, Texas 6'0'', 185 lbs, 4.51 0% 70% 75% 85% N/A N/A N/A
9 Ras-I Dowling, Virginia 6'1', 198 lbs, 4.37 0% 70% 75% 85% N/A N/A N/A
10 Brandon Burton 6'0'', 190 lbs, 4.50 0% 45% 60% 75% N/A N/A N/A
11 Shareece Wright 5'11', 185 lbs, 4.46 0% 0% 40% 45% 50% 60% N/A
12 Marcus Gilchrist 5'10'', 195 lbs, 4.46 0% 10% 30% 35% 40% 50% N/A
13 Chimdi Chekwa 6'0'', 191 lbs, 4.33 0% 0% 45% 50% 55% 70% 80%
14 Curtis Marsh 6'1'', 197 lbs, 4.46 0% 0% 10% 30% 55% 65% 80%
15 Rashad Carmichael 5'10'', 192 lbs, 4.39 0% 0% 0% 25% 35% 50% 75%

 

Talking Points

  • In my eyes, there are three number one corners in this draft, which means three players who can come in and immediately be the number one corner and face number one receivers. They are Peterson, Amukamara, and Smith. Other corners could progress into number one guys, but they are not as "sure thing" as these guys.
  • The latter on the above list obviously has all of those off-the-field and locker room issues, but if he can get past those and play at the level I believe he can, he will belong on that list.
  • Some of these guys might be a better fit for safety, I'll talk about that a little when I get to them, but they are all on this list as cornerbacks.
  • Just how much do you value size for cornerbacks? There's a history of the smaller guys being successful, but it still remains a huge knock in the leadup to any draft. Personally, I like the bigger guys that can move well.
  • My "sleeper" is Davon House out of New Mexico State. He's a potential first rounder so the "sleeper" tag might be odd, but I think he can end up being better than even the top guys with the right progression. Who's your sleeper?
  • Scratch that .. maybe I have more sleepers than I thought. I think this is such a strong class ... Patrick, Burton and Dowling could all be stars.
  • For the record, I think everybody in picks 4-10 would immediately supplant Shawntae Spencer as the number two corner, with somebody like Chekwa potentially doing so as well, the others will have a lot of work to do.
  • I have a list of rankings going to 25, but I only post 15 for these rankings. If you want my opinion on any corner not listed, feel free to ask.

Individual Thoughts

1. Patrick Peterson - He's got a lot of little issues in zone coverage and I've seen him lose himself in that regard on more than a few occasions. Without something directly in front of him, he has a tendency to lose the play and disappear completely. If he doesn't have a target from the get go, he lacks elite instincts to identify the guy to go for in that situation, especially when he has to change direction quickly. Are you surprised that I started with all of those negatives? I felt that I should, so people remember that he does have flaws - but despite that - he's still the best cornerback prospect in quite a few years. His man-to-man coverage is brutal and quarterbacks will not even target him when it all comes down to it. He's got the ability to pick off 10+ passes per season, but he probably won't do that because he will probably get that many passes thrown his way. Maybe he'll get a lot more in his rookie season, but teams will immediately regret the decision.

2. Prince Amukamara - His biggest knock was his speed, but he put that to rest when he ran a 4:37, and now I see nothing but good things. Heading into this past season, Amukamara was the top cornerback prospect, and was only overtaken by Peterson somewhat recently. I want to call these guys 1a and 1b, but I can't ... the dropoff though, is closer than that of any position, even closer than the Von Miller vs Robert Quinn debate (which, oddly enough, I did list as 1a and 2b), and Amukamara is worthy of a top five pick, let alone one in the top seven. I love his aggressiveness and the intensity that he plays with, receivers slowly accumulate damage and wear over the course of a football game and Amukamara keeps going on just as fine. He excels in press and man-to-man, and is better than Peterson in regards to zone coverage. One problem with his aggressiveness is that receivers can get out of the jam and Amukamara has to scramble to catch up. Beyond that, I love his ball skills, it looks like it's two receivers going up for the ball whenever he's out there going for the pick.

3. Jimmy Smith - Character concerns are the biggest issue with Smith, who would probably be a consensus top fifteen pick (actually still could be) without them. He's got drug and alcohol charges earlier in his college career and that stuff stays with you. Projections for Smith range anywhere from the early first to the early third round, so it's going to something I pay close attention to on draft day. His biggest on-the-field knock is his lack of ball skills, he doesn't go for interceptions and concentrates more on just taking the receiver totally out of the play, which is definitely a good thing, but he does struggle against some of the bigger guys in that regard. A good thing? He's 6'2'' and can run a 4.40 40-yard dash, if he can pack on a little muscle and maintain his athleticism, Smith will be a top-flight cornerback in the NFL.

4. Brandon Harris - He's a little smallish, or maybe he's just average and doesn't play physical enough. Bigger, more physical receivers can abuse him at times, especially when it comes to positioning in the zone. Harris struggles in the zone, and any receiver who turns and calls for the ball and is physical enough will completely blanket over Harris and make the catch before he can react. When he's got a guy in man-to-man though, I like his ability. He's got the best hips in the draft (and hips don't lie) and can turn around faster than any corner. Susceptible to a half-decent juke move in the open field. He has a bit of work to do and needs to be coached up, but Harris could be an umber one guy.

5. Davon House - Like I said above, this guy is my sleeper, and I do have him a bit higher than some others, but that doesn't really concern me. What I've seen leads me to believe he will be great, assuming he can transition to the next level. House has the height and speed that you want in a corner and plays much taller than he actually is. He's very active with his hands, getting them up to deflect passes, though he does occasionally get crossed up and gets the wrong hand up in the air. Unlike the corners mentioned thus far, House is very good in zone coverage and is also good at man-to-man, but he's a little too aggressive in the latter and it can lead to him getting beat. I noticed he relied a lot on safety help in college, and the fact that he rarely got him led him to improve his ability to defend deep, but it is still somewhat of a weakness. Is incredibly physical, he jams the receiver and gets them shaken quickly, and every one of his tackles are punishing. Reacts well to the situations around him and closes well before or after the catch. I like House at the back-end of the first or early second round.

6. Aaron Williams - The first of our "potential safety" converts, Aaron Williams is generally a bit higher than my number five prospect in most rankings, but I don't necessarily like him any less than those sources. The three things that do sour me on Williams are his suspect hands, his lack of natural instincts at the position, and his tendency to get lost when the ball is in the air. He's a very athletic corner with good hips who can get at the ball, but he rarely can catch it. In regards to his good hips, they are definitely good, but the aforementioned lack of natural instincts can sometimes make those good hips rotate the wrong way and let receivers run free. If he does pack on a little more weight and goes to a place where he'll have a good defensive backs coach, he could be a really good corner. I would be totally OK with the 49ers taking him in the second round.

7. Johnny Patrick - A smallish corner who plays with a chip on his shoulder, I like his raw ability. He's more of a zone corner than he is man-to-man, but when he does go with the press, he gets his whole body in there and plays physical. He's best as a read-and-react guy who can do whatever he feels like he should be doing - and he does it well. He's got long arms that serve him well when defending the pass, and help him when he wraps up running backs, something he does well, even if he is a bit undersized. As stated, he's not afraid to get in there and play the run game, and is really good against the screen play, but this hard-nosed willingness sometimes gets him beat on play action. He's got great ball skills and has a world of potential, but does have character concerns after a domestic disturbance arrest in 2010.

8.  Curtis Brown - His stock has gone up and down in his years at Texas, and he's been all over the board. Unfortunately, the biggest fall came this past season where their star-studded cast of corners underperformed, including Brown. He's since been surpassed by Aaron Williams, but is still a second day selection in every way. He used to be regarding as a guy who could break a big play at any moment, but now people are just labeling him as somebody with decent ballskills. I'll say that he still has the big play ability, just needs to add a little bit of weight and get some good coaching. His biggest knock, in my opinion, is his lack of physicality, without the outright finesse to make up for it.

9. Ras-I Dowling - People will say that Dowling's rise comes only because he's fast, and I want to slap those people silly. Well, I don't want to slap them, but they really do need to chickity check themselves before they wrickity wreck themselves.Dowling is a playmaker who will be a number two corner from the get go and just "fit" there. He'll be the guy who doesn't make every single headline, but every time he gets an interception, people will think "Oh yeah, him ... Damnit." He's got a great jumpball and uses position well against all receivers, and will be able to go up and beat most receivers in the NFL. He plays incredibly physical, and this is a double-edged sword, because his durability is a big question mark, suffering through several injuries in college. He's the Frank Gore of cornerbacks.

10. Brandon Burton - Is a little tentative to my liking, doesn't take risks and thus doesn't come up with big plays as often as he should. He doesn't have a lot of strength and bigger corners will have their way with him. If he starts to get blocked, he out of the play, that's just how it is. Still, he has above-average athleticism and speed, my only knock in that regard is his backpedal, it's far too high and he will have trouble moving up on the screen plays and underneath routes when it comes to the NFL level. The caveat to his negatives is the fact that he's still very raw, and can be coached up into a better corner. Who knows where his ceiling is?

11. Shareece Wright - Strong nose for the ball and keeps the plays in front of him, he's always got a goal and is set on accomplishing it on every play. He's got good strength, but prefers to utilize leverage on the jam and when blocked. Doesn't have natural ball skills, but I see him keeping pace with many receivers and being a solid second corner. He does have injury concerns though, and that's going to drop him into the third round.

12.  Marcus Gilchrist - He's really hit or miss, to me ... I don't like his backpedal, and I think he's not that great in man-to-man coverage against a top-level route runner, he doesn't roll out of the breaks well enough. No big play potential at all, is susceptible to double moves, but there is a lot of things to like physically. He can be coached up, and he might be another safety convert, especially for the 49ers. If he's coached well, he could overcome many lapses in his coverage ability and be a very solid zone corner or nickel kind of guy.

13. Chimdi Chekwa - Dowling Lite, here. Chekwa has great speed and a very solid jumpball, he's the kind of guy who can be a playmaker, but will be seen celebrating a pass knocked out of bounds more so than an interception. Chekwa is still really raw, but has higher potential than anybody else in this range. He's very good in zone coverage and is at his best when he has everything developing in front of him. He will surprise many quarterbacks with his deceptive closing ability, he sits back in the zone and reacts to what the signal caller does faster than most in the draft and can thus get in front of passes, but it does at times lead to him getting lost if he doesn't identify something fast enough.

14. Curtis Marsh - We're just dealing with more and more raw guys, Marsh has good speed and physicality, but needs to put more muscle on. He's very thin, and he'll get broken apart in the NFL. Good skills when going man-to-man, getting his hands up and deflecting passes. Has a very solid backpedal that comes from natural ability at the position, even though he's only played it for two years. Has a very high ceiling.

15. Rashad Carmichael - Solid man and zone coverage, but NFL receivers should beat him handily if he doesn't develop his hip movement and watch the quarterback's eyes more closely. Unlike many of the other corners this low, Carmichael has very good ball skills and could develop into a second corner that snags picks with regularity. Has the tendency to get lost in the open field and isn't very strong against the run.

3-4 Rush Linebacker Prospect Rankings

Poll
Which of these guys is a good sleeper for you?
Davon House
48 votes
Johnny Patrick
14 votes
Brandon Burton
25 votes
Ras-I Dowling
228 votes
Other
24 votes

339 votes | Poll has closed

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I like Marsh and House

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 4:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I like everything about this article:

Thorough, detailed, and it gives a rationale for taking a guy that I’d otherwise write off. Good stuff, Ninjames!

Best case scenario for the top 6 picks:
1Car Dareus, 2Den Fairley, 3Buf Newton: 4Cin Jones 5Ari Gabbert 6Cle Bowers
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by grantmp on Apr 11, 2011 4:04 PM PDT reply actions  

problem with the projected rounds

i was waiting for this since commenting last night that there won’t be any decent cb’s after round 3.

i’m basing that on the fact that the last few drafts, there’s usually 12-15 cb’s gone in the first three rounds. this post lists the top 15 cb’s, and i think it’s extremely possible they’re gone after round 3.

i don’t agree with scout’s projected round taken, bc i think it might be emphasizing overall talent level, more than need. we all know how the league is becoming more and more pass-biased, and that definitely means more and more nickel+ coverage. teams need more than just 3 solid cb’s, and it seems like half the league drafts one in the first three rounds.

what i think is really interesting, looking at draft history, is how cb’s seem to get drafted in bunches, 2-3 picks in a row, 4 in 5-6 spots, etc. it seems to me like a great number of teams go in saying, “we’re drafting a db in the first three. if our guy is gone, we take the next one.” i would hope the niners don’t make that mistake. that they either get the guy they want, or upgrade other positions.

i’ll say that i bet no more than 2 of those guys on the list here are available after round 3. and revising my comment from last night slightly, as i just stated, i hope the niners don’t take any of the ones left in round three, unless they are drafting the player for his skills, not simply plugging a hole.

by whanson on Apr 11, 2011 4:46 PM PDT reply actions  

You said that there wouldn’t be any CBs around IN round three last time. There will be, and also, there is still some great guys with potential after the top fifteen.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

And also, do remember, that those percentages are based on whether or not the 49ers would draft them at that point, not that they’re the projected round that I expect them to go in.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Triple post! But also, just pointing out, that I fully expect them to take a CB by the end of the second round. If not, I feel like one of Patrick, Burton or Dowling might be there at the pick in the third.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

gotta be round 1

(barring a trade) i think if the niners feel a corner is a priority, they get him in the first round. if not, we know all the other positions that could use an upgrade.

i’m tired of hearing all the guys on tv saying, that team has secondary issues, they’ll draft a corner. how about hiring a better coach? all these college players have talent, where are the guys who can harness it?

it’s been a long time since i felt the niners had that coach that could get the most out of the db’s. so i say get a guy who’s as close to can’t lose.

by whanson on Apr 11, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see it. You CANNOT force yourself to take a certain position in round one.

You will get burned over and over and over. If somebody falls and fit a moderate need, a la Dareus, then we have to take him or somebody similar. They pick at a good spot in the second round to get a lot of good guys. You can’t limit yourself to “gotta be round 1”, at least in my mind.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

no, wait, we agree

i said, if they feel corner is a priority, and i should have added, and they have prince above quinn/bowers/etc.

and no way prince is rated above dareus. even if they want a corner, they should take him if he falls.

by whanson on Apr 11, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually

i’m going to have to think a bit. seems like i’m switching between need vs best player available logic as it suits me. god i hope i’m not that ignorant…

by whanson on Apr 11, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they want to pick up the BPA who fits their 3 biggest needs

1) QB if they feel Newton or Gabbert is their man and he is available
2) CB… if Peterson or Prince are available
3) NT .. With no Franklin.. NT is a big need and if Dareus is NT they like..

I think if Peterson or Dareus are both available.. it is a toss up. but Peterson will get it… so they really can go for need and BPA

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by Eastbayjim on Apr 11, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder who the 49ers would pick that scenario

They have shown no resistance towards to highly touted SEC defensive linemen.

by bignerd on Apr 11, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, i goofed

i did say there wouldn’t be any in round three, and that was definitely wrong. i do have my doubts that a quality cb will be there in round three, and i’d hate to see the niners just grabbing any cb left. when i said ‘there won’t be anyone’ i should have added ‘worth taking’.

i understand the table better now, and i do believe that most will be gone by the end of round three, so, no hope in round 4.

by whanson on Apr 11, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow

thorough article. excellent. thanks. personally, I believe Peterson will be gone at 7 and the ‘niners will take Prince. then I’m hoping they get Dalton or Ponder next – and I’m guessing they’ll trade up to make sure they get one of them.

by mwright84 on Apr 11, 2011 5:02 PM PDT reply actions  

If there was a way to get Jimmy Smith and Patrick Peterson would you take it?

Would you give up a 1st 2nd 3rd 4th for those two?

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

OT: I saw that you are been here for a year less than James, and he runs like 3 blogs, and he has 4,000 less comments than you lol

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by MichaelClutchtree on Apr 11, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

So I have no life.

He also write better and is more educated than me. I don’t have much on NJ other than I have proportional hands to the rest of my body.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

You had to bring hands into this …

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh Little James, little hands, little feet. He’s like a doll. So delicate.

by mcwagner on Apr 11, 2011 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m 6’8’’-6’9’’ and I wear size sixteen shoes.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

my little brother wears bigger shoes and he is 14.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

They don’t fit me.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who doesn't fit you?

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

7 foot Ninjames is a big scary guy, pure muscle and pure mean. But he can’t pick up an orange without using a second hand.

by mcwagner on Apr 11, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will destroy you. My hands aren’t that small. Just disproportionate.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

gonna grind my bones to make your bread?

by mcwagner on Apr 11, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He would but he couldn't hold the big stick.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

02/15/11 7:31 AM PST

Do you remember that?

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

No what happened?

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its a tuesday

was it your bday?

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let me put the rest in there.

Warned 02/15/11 7:31 AM PST Niners Nation

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was warned because of a typo.

Wasn’t even that bad of a comment. It was a clear abuse of power.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mmmhm.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can read it.

Was it that bad?

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t read the comment that was deleted.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh you just know it got modded.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eating your enemies gives you their powers .. I feel like I would take a rather sizable hit to my IQ if I ate you.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

you would be nicer and have hairy arms

by mcwagner on Apr 11, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

and better hand to size proportions

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know you rec’d this Manraj. I see all

by mcwagner on Apr 11, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

and this wouldn't be as awkward

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I heard he can't even palm a tennis ball

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had to win in the end.

:)

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get a lot deleted … but I guess I just don’t really go into fanposts that much.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

BS you don't get deleted.

I bet you have no mod strikes on you. You aren’t a rebel like the brits.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have around 25 legit moderations, I’ve been warned like five times and banned three times.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

...

wtf is wrong with you.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say legit, but I disagree with a few of them.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, and I was unbanned all times.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

How much did it cost you?

I was wondering how much it would cost to get a strike removed. Couple hours of community service? Don’t really have cash.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

We cannot alter the moderation history.

That warning will be there forever.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

But I didn't do anything wrong.

It was a typo

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

You and your six moderations.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

you are one of the most warned and deleted users I have seen. You need to stop drinking whiskey at the keyboard.

by mcwagner on Apr 11, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

CRSR

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

He needs to drink more

else he might read all of the comments.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

all typos

wait 6. Stop abusing your power

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you enjoy that Niners Nation Tee?

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

What tee?

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

The t-shirt you won.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was pretty awesome. Some girl ripped it off me.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most of those comments are “got home safe” “having juice for breakfast” “has anyone seen my keys?”

by mcwagner on Apr 11, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

my comments?

or NJs. Not all of my comments are like that. Just the ones in the nuggets.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

its true

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

also: I probably wouldn’t. We have more holes we need to fill, and I believe there are a few younger CBs available in FA that we can sign, or even Nnamdi.

We might also know about restructuring Clements by draft time (like if the FO has decided internally if they will restructure or release him)

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by MichaelClutchtree on Apr 11, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

so, trade 2,3,and 4 this year for a late round 1?

for a guy with character issues? i don’t think so

by whanson on Apr 11, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well the third is for moving up to #4 to get PP

The 4th rounder is to move up in the early second round if Jimmy slips to there. They both are great press corner and we would be set for years to come.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

and character issues?

how much does that matter when looking at jimmy smith? i hate it. the more i see prince interviewed, the more i like him.

by whanson on Apr 11, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean the fact that he is cocky and failed a drug test?

You know PP talks to himself in 3rd person.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

to himself or about himself?

bc i think talking to oneself is a much bigger problem than drugs or arrogance :p

no, taking pp and smith is not a scenario worth considering

by whanson on Apr 11, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

or about himself and too himself

He said that Patrick Peteron knows that everyone wants Patrick Peterson. I only assume he talks to himself too. Because I see him mumbling on the field all the time.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Patrick Roy

3 Playoff MVPs – most all time any position
3 Vezina trophys for best goaltender
4 Stanley Cups
10 – the number of sudden-death overtime games he won, CONSECUTIVELY, in the ’93 playoffs
11 All-Star games
151 Playoff wins
702 Career wins total
Voted in 2004 as greatest goaltender ever

Talked to himself like an absolute ****ing loon in goal.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 12, 2011 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

really

does he snarl to himself like muttley or is it more like rainman, ‘cover three good, definitely good…78,332 fans today, definitely 78,332 fans today…’

by whanson on Apr 12, 2011 3:36 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think so.

Need a QB and OLB, can’t bank on free agency. Nate Clements is a solid corner and Spencer is a decent nickel.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

But they are getting old.

Besides our QB isn’t that bad and our OLB won’t need to be great with CB like that.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, but when the draft is also so high in potential, you don’t grab the two top guys, you fill a need and then you bomb the lower rounds.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well if we trade up to get Jimmy and PP rest of draft would look like

1. PP
2. Jimmy Smith
3. traded
4. traded
4. Sione Fua
5. Curtis Marsh
6. Owen Marecic
6. Alex Henery / Kai Forbath
7. Clay Nurse
7. Chase Beeler
7. That D2 guy
7. BPA

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Three rookie CBs? Cannot happen, will not happen. Marecic will be gone and I think somebody might reach for Fua … we don’t get a OLB there, or ya know .. a quarterback.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

We got 2 OLB

and David Carr is a quality QB. He was the #1 overall pick for a reason.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

My statistical, well-thought out and comprehensive analysis:

You crazy, son.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

He will win us a game or two.

if we let him start.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then #1 overall

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

David Carr is a quality QB?

are you being serious, or am I coming late to this party and missing the joke in there somewhere?

by mwright84 on Apr 12, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

Don’t want Jimmy Smith

by bignerd on Apr 11, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too many needs.. to bundle a lot of picks for one position.

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by Eastbayjim on Apr 11, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

We don't have that many needs.

They all surrounded one area on D. That is pass D if we can beef up the secondary our OLB don’t have to be great.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sherman has a lack of experience and physical tools. He’s got decent speed, but he’s really thin and would get destroyed at the next level if he doesn’t put on weight. I like his ball skills though, and since he’s so raw, he does have a pretty decent ceiling. I have him around around eighteen.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

weight

so many players, actually, men in general, don’t bulk up until after 22. i don’t think the nfl has a problem putting muscles on guys.

i’d say it’s a major plus that he’s played on both sides of the ball, except that’s probably like two thirds of these guys if you include high school. bump him up past 18 bc he was able to learn a new position for a team that went 12-1 and won their bcs game.

speed at the corner i think depends on the coverage. if i’m not mistaken, fangio plays the corners up more, and depends on speed at safety to hawk the deep ball, right?

by whanson on Apr 11, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said up there, it’s widely disputed, but … he is REALLY thin. There’s some people that just need to put on some muscle, he is 6’2’’ and weighs less than 200, he really needs to add on as much as he can at that height. I don’t think it’s as big a deal when someone is ten pounds less than “prototypical,” because they fill out their frames for the most part, he hasn’t at all.

I’d say the 49ers can survive with slower corners in Fangio’s defense, but the problem is that their top two guys are both kind of slow as it is, so we should value it a little bit more in this case, but I do think his speed is good.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

lack of experience = curtis Marsh

2nd year as a CB

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I touched up on that. :]

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man I can't wait for the draft to start

At least we can see which prize we will get. Keeps my hope alive for a 2011 season

by wellnesscoach on Apr 11, 2011 6:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Give me some Brandon Burton

I think he can handle himself with bigger wide receivers. He absolutely shut down Jonathan Baldwin who was listed at 6’5’’
The only worry I have is how he got burned by both Boise receivers.
He shut down an elite talent like Baldwin but couldnt stop Boise’s less talented receivers

Plus he did this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOOeaSCEOBg

by KDEEP on Apr 11, 2011 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Kendrick Burney??

Whats your opinion on the nc corner?

1) Patrick Peterson 2) Brooks Reed 3) Shane Vereen 4a) Owen Marecic 4b) Greg McElroy 5) Jalil Brown or Rashad Carmichael 6a) DeAndre Brown 6b) BPA of DT/DE/OG/OC 7a) Alex Henerey 7b) Scott Tolzien

by mazonmafia on Apr 11, 2011 8:01 PM PDT reply actions  

He's my sleeper outside of the top fifteen.

I have him right at sixteen. I think he’s a hard-nosed guy who will do whatever, and do it with gusto. He’s fast, and and has good ball skills. I like him in zone coverage, but he’s not good in man to man or in the press. His size is a huge issue … he’s short, and he’s thin. He’s generally good in run support, but NFL backs are a different beast and me might have issues. He’s a guy I’d like to take a flier on in the 4th or 5th if he’s there, just based on his talent alone, and hope he can excel and get past those size issues.

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by James Brady on Apr 11, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty much agree there

Though I have seen a time or two where he wasn’t bad in man/press coverage. I recall a play he made against Hankerson in the Sr Bowl. Granted he didn’t have much choice, it was just about right at the goal line. But he didn’t let Hankerson overpower him, got his hand in at the right time & knocked the ball away. But yeah, he’s a lot better in loose or zone coverage. He looks like he really has his head in the game playing in that type of coverage.

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by Mangoman on Apr 11, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

The CB Draft

1-Peterson, 2-Dalton, 3-House, 4-Trade for Josh Johnson, 4-Marecic, 5-Ian Williams, 6-Burney, 6-Steven Friday, 7-Henery, 7- Devine, 7- BPA G/C, 7- BPA DE

1) Patrick Peterson 2) Brooks Reed 3) Shane Vereen 4a) Owen Marecic 4b) Greg McElroy 5) Jalil Brown or Rashad Carmichael 6a) DeAndre Brown 6b) BPA of DT/DE/OG/OC 7a) Alex Henerey 7b) Scott Tolzien

by mazonmafia on Apr 11, 2011 8:07 PM PDT reply actions  

You know what would be cool

If people went through every game and wrote down how many yards and passes Prince and Patrick gave up. I’m going to keep notes on this for next year. Just for a couple of players though.

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by manraj7 on Apr 11, 2011 10:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Prince has a chance to be the best CB in this draft.

I think Peterson has the higher upside, but Prince has the higher floor. He has better technique and is more polished in coverage. I think he’s a better starter day 1 but end of year 1 and year 2 and beyond I think Peterson has the potential to blow right by him if he works hard and commits himself to fully mastering his technique.

by Ougadas on Apr 12, 2011 1:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Is anybody concerned about PP reportedly scoring a 9 on the wonderlic?

Maybe it has something to do with why he struggles in zone? With Fangio’s 3-4, if it’s anything like Capers/LeBeau, that means a lot of zone blitzing, right? He is going to have to play deep zone a fair amount of the time.

I mean…in your words, “Without something directly in front of him, he has a tendency to lose the play and disappear completely.” Doesn’t this have anyone else at least a little bit concerned for a top 10 pick?

by ljl on Apr 12, 2011 1:28 AM PDT reply actions  

That's just a general criticism of a corner who doesn't excel in zone coverage.

And no, the nine has no bearing on my opinion of Peterson.

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by James Brady on Apr 12, 2011 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn, James, you did it again! Great job ... very well done.

Here are my thoughts on your thoughts concerning CBs:
1. As receivers continue to get bigger and faster I think that it becomes more and more important for teams (read Niners) to look for bigger corners with speed; the smaller corners in the NFL seem to be becoming less effective against the bigger receivers.
2. You say that you like the guys from 4-10 (liking 1-3 is a non-brainer); there are three guys in there that, while good, I wouldn’t draft: (a) Harris — an example of a smaller guy who just isn’t that fast; could get beaten like a drum at the next level; (b) Williams — he’s really a safety, not a CB; just doesn’t have the great instincts to be a good corner at the next level; © Curtis Brown — another Texas CB who is slow and not that physical.
3. I love Dowling and House; given other positional needs, we probably won’t get a shot at either one (or could get both with my multple-trade-down strategy), but I would love either as our CB#2, to PP or Prince as our CB#1, and Nate as the nickel.
4. For a raw guy to develop, I’d like either Chekwa or Curtis Marsh.
5. A sleeper that I would add to the list is Jalil Brown from Colorado; Jimmy Smith got all of the noise and attention, but Brown is a pretty damn good collegiate corner and has potential at the next level.
6. Finally, I don’t know what it is about the guy (maybe his intelligence, or his adaptability, or willingness to learn) but I really like Richard Sherman; don’t know if he’ll make it big at the next level, but if not, it certainly won’t be because he’s not smart enough or doesn’t work hard enough.

Again, nice article!

by 49erFanSince1950 on Apr 12, 2011 11:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Out of Harris, Williams and Brown, I think I’d be inclined to take a chance on Brown. I’d want to avoid Williams (but he does have potential) and Harris just seems like he’s really good in spite of so many things working against him, definitely not a stable pick.

Jalil Brown is my number seventeen, and Sherman is my sixteen.

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by James Brady on Apr 12, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

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