2011 NFL Draft Positional Rankings: Marcell Dareus Should Not Be Surprising At Top Of Nose Tackle Prospect Rankings
It's about time I go through and clumsily list my rankings, big board and projections when it comes to the 2011 NFL Draft. I say clumsily because we already have an NCAA guy, Drew K, and he's very likely my superior in most cases, but I've been hitting more often than I've been missing, and it's led folks to ask me to post my own thoughts in a more expanded format, so I'm here to do that. I will cover most positions, list a big board at the end, and generally talk at length about guys, of whom 95% won't be wearing Red and Gold next year. Previously, I posted my prospect rankings for the cornerback position, and before that, the 3-4 outside linebacker position.
The Nose Tackle
You'll hear people call the MIKE linebacker the quarterback of any 3-4 defense, but that quarterback isn't going to get anything done if he doesn't have the big, bad nose tackle in front of him. Patrick Willis is not Patrick Willis without Aubrayo Franklin, or somebody of equal or greater skillset. The nose tackle is absolutely instrumental in making the first contact and generally causing havoc. There's a whole lot of precise movements and strategies at work in the trenches, but if you want to simplify it: they more or less get in there and push things until those things fall down or get out of their way. Stop the run, occasionally get after the passer, demand a double team, close a hole ... these are all things that a good nose tackle should be able to do.
Aubrayo Franklin has been the starter, and his last two years have been above-average, especially 2009, where I believe he was the best nose tackle in the league. He certainly had the stats to back that notion up, though he did regress in 2010. Still, he's a guy the 49ers would love to keep around, he fits right into what Vic Fangio likely envisions as his 2011 defense, and he'll be the best nose tackle to hit free agency. Which could be a problem, in regards to retaining his services.
Ricky Jean Francois is the immediate backup to Franklin, and he's got a lot of potential and upside going forward, but he's probably not ready. He's not "boom or bust", because he's a seventh round pick, he's more so just a guy who may or may not work out. If he doesn't, that's just the way it is, but if he does, then the 49ers got lucky. Isaac Sopoaga can also move over to play nose, but that's not an ideal situation. With the free agent crop being Franklin, Ron Edwards and Pat Williams, the 49ers will cast a long look at the 2011 NFL Draft to fill their nose tackle need.
Fortunately, this is a great draft class for nose tackles. This entire draft seems to be stacked with very high-upside guys at most positions, but nose tackle is especially deep. Guys in the fourth and fifth rounds can be immediate starting candidates in this particular draft. The only caveat to the wealth of talent at this point is the fact that there are teams with significant nose tackle needs other than the 49ers, and it will be a crapshoot to see when these guys are actually gone. After the jump, I've got some rankings, some percentages regarding the chances any given player is drafted by San Francisco in each round, and thoughts on each of my top fifteen guys.
Nose Tackle Prospect Rankings
| Rank | Player/School | Height/Weight/40 Time | Rd. 1 | Rd. 2 | Rd. 3 | Rd. 4 | Rd. 5 | Rd. 6 | Rd. 7 |
| 1 | Marcell Dareus, Alabama | 6'3'', 319 lbs, 4.92 | 90% | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| 2 | Phil Taylor, Baylor | 6'3'', 334 lbs, 5.18 | 75% | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| 3 | Stephen Paea, Oregon St. | 6'1'', 303 lbs, N/A | 65% | 80% | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| 4 | Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss | 6'2'', 329 lbs, 5.29 | 10% | 50% | 70% | 80% | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| 5 | Kenrick Ellis, Hampton | 6'5'', 346 lbs, 5.19 | 0% | 60% | 75% | 85% | 90% | N/A | N/A |
| 6 | Sione Fua, Stanford | 6'2'', 310 lbs, 5.28 | 0% | 0% | 65% | 80% | 85% | N/A | N/A |
| 7 | Anthony Gray, Southern Miss | 6'0'', 330 lbs, 5.17 | 0% | 0% | 40% | 60% | 65% | 70% | 75% |
| 8 | Ian Williams, Notre Dame | 6'1'', 309 lbs, 5.14 | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 50% | 65% | 75% |
| 9 | Chris Neild, West Virginia | 6'2'', 319 lbs, 5.07 | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 45% | 60% | 70% |
| 10 | Frank Kearse, Alabama | 6'4'', 315 lbs, 5.30 | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 30% | 40% | 60% |
Talking Points
- Marcell Dareus is very much a nose tackle, any scout will tell you he has the ability to play that position. A lot of folks would consider that a waste of athleticism, but that's such a silly stance to take when he fills that kind of need. He would come in and start from day one in the middle of the line, unless Aubrayo Franklin is also retained, in which case he'd like up on the left side as an end. It's not that Franklin would be better than him at the nose, it's the fact that you want your best three players out there on the line.
- Phil Taylor would obviously be number two, and he could surprise people with how high he goes. It's not something the 49ers would do, but Taylor is worth a top fifteen pick, he just won't end up going there. I look at Taylor something like a Tyson Alualu situation in Jacksonville - he didn't quite fit the positioning, but they liked him and he turned out great.
- A startling trend with this class of nose tackles: more than half of the top fifteen on my list have had a history of lack of effort on and off of the football field. Now, a nose tackle running out of his motor late in games is understandable, he's paid to be, well, on the fat side. But the tendency to give up coupled with a stalling motor is a combination of question marks that absolutely scares me.
- The problem with nose tackles is they're not generally drafted so high, but they are such an important position, that you could value a guy as a fourth rounder and if a team is scared enough at the prospect of losing him enough, they could pull the trigger in the second round and then we'll see a run of nose tackles. I think in either the second or third round, there will be several taken within a ten-pick span.
- There is a substantial dropoff after number seven on my list. The players just start getting to be big, without any actual athleticism and things of that nature. There are still prospects there, but there is no reason to really get into it. Remember, there will be a run of nose tackles, but there won't be a seven-player run of them.
- For what it's worth, the next guys on my list include players like Blaine Sumner, Terron Sanders, Terry Griffin and Harold Ayodele.
Individual Thoughts
1. Marcell Dareus - He has the size to play the position, which is one of the most important things for a nose tackle. For the 49ers, it's a little less of an issue, as Jim Tomsula has coached up two nose tackles who are a bit undersized in Franklin and Jean Francois, and it's true that the smaller guys (in relative terms) flourish in the kind of 3-4 alignment that Vic Fangio runs. He's lacking long-time experience, and has shown a tendency to give up on plays, something that is damning for a nose tackle, but it's not something that occurs with regularity. Dareus started out as a great run stopper who developed an ability to power into the backfield and put up solid numbers rushing the passer. As it stands, I have Dareus as the best nose tackle in this draft, and it's not all-that close.
2. Phil Taylor - This man is absolutely nasty with his hands, with a huge arsenal of moves in that regard. He could come in and put them both on you and send you back flying, or he can slap at you and make you look silly when he pushes you effortlessly to the side. If you're going one-on-one against Phil Taylor, you're going to get put on your butt nine times out of ten. Factor in his ability against the run and his tendency to push himself into the backfield and hand the quarterback, and you have a pretty complete nose tackle. My biggest problem with Taylor is one of leverage and coachability - his problems as a player have been with him throughout his entire college career and he's never seemed to improve them much. I don't like his pad level, more often than not, he just rises and stands up, playing way too high for his position. You can't play standing up and take on two blockers in the NFL, you're getting put right on your back in that situation. When you run a defense like Fangio's, you're going to have precise instruction on most plays, and Taylor's inability to correct little mistakes is a question mark at this point. He's also been known to have a lack of effort on and off the football field.
3. Stephen Paea - Some would say that Paea's rise is only due to his monster combine performance with the weight-lifting, and as 49ers fans, that should scare us. Isaac Sopoaga broke the top ten in the bench press and it never translated well to the field, but I can tell you right now: with Paea, it will translate. He's an athletic guy who plays with a chip on his shoulder. He's a little short, with below-average arm length, but he'll make up for that by getting right in the center of an opposing player's gravity, and knocking them senseless. His hands off the snap are a force to be reckoned with, and sometimes I feel like centers are going to go flying before I snap out of it and realize they just stumbled and fell down. He's not as good a fit in the scheme as far as San Francisco is concerned, but he's the kind of player you change that scheme for. Paea could be a first rounder.
4. Jerrell Powe - Powe is as high as number two on some boards and as low as number seven on others, which is a concern from the get-go. I would challenge many of those who put him at seven, though, and caution them against just watching tape from this past season and not considering all things. The biggest thing to remember about Powe is the fact that Ole Miss changed his role considerably in 2010, and he regressed. They tried to get him rushing the passer more and doing things he's just not cut out to do. Powe is a nose tackle, and a very good one at that. Good, long arms and a devastating push with his hands highlight his ability at the point of attack. Powe is my sleeper as a nose tackle, he could be taken as early as the second round or as late as the fourth. I would love him in the third.
5. Kenrick Ellis - A smaller school product who has gone under the radar, the best thing I can say about Kenrick Ellis is the fact that he never quits, unlike some of the players already mentioned. Ellis is the kind of guy who looked to be doomed as a late round pick, but somebody with high potential, and he decided at sometime in the beginning of 2010 that this wasn't gonna fly. Ellis put the work in, and absolutely dominated in 2010. He's got a great motor for a guy who is pushing 350 pounds, and he hates the idea of taking a play off, or at least that's what I get from his body language. There are character concerns there from earlier in his NCAA career, and I think he plays a little too high for my liking. He has solid double-team potential, but he can disappear at times and be shutdown by particular players here and there. Ellis could sneak into the second round if a team likes him enough, and I would be very happy to have him in San Francisco. I think he's a great guy to have starting, with someone like Ricky Jean Francois, who possesses a different skillset, backing him up.
6. Sione Fua - He's not the sexiest option at nose tackle, for the simple fact that he's not that athletic, and doesn't have the elite-level power to make up for that. He's right in-between two playing styles, but somehow it all works out for him in the end more often than it doesn't. Fua's power just seems to be inconsistent, he can power through multiple guys, or get shoved around at other times. He's got a great bullrush, but he's not real explosive by any means. It's a matter of give and take for Fua, but there's a lot of raw potential there that Fangio and Harbaugh are already familiar with. He may be able to start at day one, but there will be some growing pains. Still, his ceiling is through the roof (how does that make any sense at all?) and he's worth it in the fourth round, by all means. I like the fact that he's not really huge as far as weight goes, but his frame is really solid, so he eats up space with the best of them.
7. Anthony Gray - He's my "sleeper lite," in that I can't say for sure that I think he'll break out, but I think there is more natural talent there than the guys under, and perhaps the guy above him. Gray has a fantastic base and is good at pushing people around. The caveat: he can also get pushed around a little bit, and doesn't have great instincts. I've seen him lower his head and just run into things, when the play starts going the opposite direction, he just keeps plugging away. At the very least, when he is plugging away, it looks good ... it's jut not always in the right direction, you know? Gray is an anchor, and can stop the run. Very solid developmental guy, and I have him higher than most other rankings.
8. Ian Williams - The best athleticism of the "lower tier" nose tackles in the draft, there's a lot to like there, especially for the 49ers. He doesn't get after the passer a lot, but he does everything else at a high level. He's a solid anchor who will stop the run every time, and he can occupy two blockers. If Williams gets a good coach and some time to develop, he can be deadly.
9. Chris Neild - The best anchor of the "lower tier" nose tackles in the draft, Neild's lower body strength is some of the best out there, and he plays with great leverage to utilize it. He's hard to move, he's a bull moose out there and his presence is felt, even if he's not putting up any kind of stats at all. If Neild gets a sack, something horribly wrong happened with the offensive line, because he's definitely not good at it, but that's not the forte of nose tackles anyway.
10. Frank Kearse - He's a very underrated, under-the-radar kind of player with a lot of athleticism and ability to do all things well. Rushing the passer, stopping the run, anchoring the line - he does it all, but he's just so raw and so inconsistent. Many considered him a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT, but he's now gaining consideration from 3-4 teams as a nose tackle. The Steelers have taken an interest in him, at this point. I would love to get him in the seventh or an as undrafted free agent.
44 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Chris Grant of TCU is another late-round guy
He can 2-gap and be a space eater, I think.
Draft EVERYONE!
Tvittah
Assuming you mean Cory Grant. I think he could be a good NT, but I think most teams consider him a 4-3 DT. He’s got a bunch of good pass rushing moves.
And then God created Saturn ... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
SaberCats Examiner | SB Nation Bay Area | Niners Nation | Twitter
by James Brady on Apr 19, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he can 2-gap
besides, those pass rush moves worked in college…he seems to anchor well
Draft EVERYONE!
Tvittah
Its hard
Because if Dareus were to fall to the 49ers he would be a great value pick. That said, I am against drafting a NT in the first three rounds, we have bigger needs. I do like Blaine Sumner from Colorado Mines in the 7th
Mila "Sweet Lips" Kunis, as stated by Scarlett Johansson. I couldn't agree more. Reverse would be true too!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Apr 19, 2011 10:29 AM PDT reply actions
I'm against going for need in the first round, so that's why I'm totally fine with Dareus.
NT/DE is fine with me in the first, even if I was going for need.
And then God created Saturn ... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
SaberCats Examiner | SB Nation Bay Area | Niners Nation | Twitter
by James Brady on Apr 19, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be all about getting Dareus
there’s nothing like a “lock” in the top 10.
Dareus or PP at 7 ?(assuming somehow they are both there)
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
Exactly.
Its like a negative zero.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 19, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking about it negative zero exists
-0 = -1 * 0
a*0 = 0
-1 * 0 = 0
-0 = 0
therefore -0 exists
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
Strictly speaking,
“negative zero” does not exist. The additive inverse of zero, “-0” exists, but is equal to zero. By definition, a number is positive if and only if it is greater than zero, and similarly, a number is negative if and only if it is less than zero. Hence, zero is neither positive or negative, and thus, “-0”, being equal to zero, is also neither positive or negative.
"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer "extortion." The "X" makes it sound cool." - Bender Bending Rodriguez
Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?
I am also usually against going for need
Most of the time that is a recipe for disaster, and I like Dareus a lot. He could be a dominant 3-4 end. That said, it is important to find a happy medium between BPA and needs. If for some reason Miller, Peterson and Dareus were available at 7, you have to take into account need. My bigger concern would ne the 49ers having to choose between Prince and Dareus. That is where it gets a bit tricky and BPA comes into play more
Mila "Sweet Lips" Kunis, as stated by Scarlett Johansson. I couldn't agree more. Reverse would be true too!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Apr 19, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Kendrick Ellis or Powe - hopefully one is available in the 3rd
Don’t think Dareus will fall to #7, Taylor and Paea will be gone by #45. All five could lock down the position. Fua is the only other NT that might end up better than Ricky Jean Francois, but no guarantee. If we don’t take one of the top 5 we’d better resign Franklin.
I guess everyone that's a NT/DE going into this draft is good
and if you haven’t heard their name before, they’re underrated and/or a sleeper.
1.QB Ryan Mallett 2.G Ben Ijalana 3.CB Jalil Brown 4.NT Kendrick Ellis 4.CB Kendric Burney 5.S Tyler Sash 6.WR Lester Jean 6.RB Chad Spann 7.OLB Jamari Lattimore 7.Kicker 7.CB Richard Sherman
There’s about fourteen other nose tackles entering this draft. Would you like me to talk about them? How about your rankings? Can I get those? I have two sleepers in this draft, and one guy who is so under-the-radar that I’m calling him underrated. I just only did ten because the 49ers will not be looking further than these ten. Not to mention …
“There is a substantial dropoff after number seven on my list. The players just start getting to be big, without any actual athleticism and things of that nature. There are still prospects there, but there is no reason to really get into it. Remember, there will be a run of nose tackles, but there won’t be a seven-player run of them.
For what it’s worth, the next guys on my list include players like Blaine Sumner, Terron Sanders, Terry Griffin and Harold Ayodele."
And then God created Saturn ... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
SaberCats Examiner | SB Nation Bay Area | Niners Nation | Twitter
And I’m sorry if that is unnecessarily rude, I’m just going by the tone you appeared to set … either way, I’d like to point out that players like Pat Williams, Aubrayo Franklin, etc … they all come from later. Teams just don’t draft a lot of nose tackles. So guys that come in the sixth and seventh rounds can be starters because it’s a position that depends on strength and size before athleticism, which is something that colleges produce like crazy. Williams was a UDFA, Franklin came out of the fifth round, etc. It’s routine to have multiple sleepers at nose tackle because they come from EVERYWHERE. Does that make sense?
And then God created Saturn ... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
SaberCats Examiner | SB Nation Bay Area | Niners Nation | Twitter
These positional pieces are definitely your forte, James ... very nice analytical work.
I love your process and the effort you put into it. I don’t necessarily agree with your conclusions (now there’s a surprise! … but I’ve done my own homework on these guys too) … but your opinions are well thought out. So, how do I see the nose tackle issue any differently? On just a few points:
1. I don’t see either Dareus or Paea as nose tackles; could they play the position? Sure. Is nose tackle the best use of their skills? Not even close. I think that Dareus will be GREAT as either a 4/3 DT or a 3/4 DE. I see Paea almost exclusively as a 4/3 DT. Why not play Dareus at NT? Let me answer the question with another question … given his motor and skillset, would you move Justin Smith to NT? No … because it would deminish what he is able to do. I see Dareus the same way.
2. Looking at the ranking of the remaining prospects … I agree on the rankings of Taylor, Fua and Neild. We differ however on Powe, Williams and Gray. When I read your write-up on Williams it isn’t obvious to me why you have him ranked so low — for the Niners, I actually see him as being very slightly better than Fua. As for Gray, you may very well be right that he’s “sleeper lite”, but I just don’t see it … there are no circumstances under which I would draft him. Now, our real difference of opinion … Jerrell Powe. I have two MAJOR concerns about him; first, I see a real inconsistency of effort when I watch him … great on one play, then seemingly lazy and lathargic on the next; he constantly battles his weight and that makes me wonder if he is just lazy, lacks a decent work-ethic or has an attitude problem. That’s one. My other concern has to do with the precision of Fangio’s defensive schemes … he requires a smart and thinking guy out there. Powe has a HUGE learning disability and apparently doesn’t take coaching very well … witness your comments about his difficulty in adapting to a role change in 2010. From what I’ve read, they had to use multiple tudors working with him constantly throughout his collegiate career to even keep him eligible to play. Doesn’t sound like a good fit to me.
3. As you know from our earlier discussions, I think that there is a very strong probability that AF will not be with us any longer … we want to resign him but I believe that he will go elsewhere for a bigger contract. You also know that I don’t believe that RJF is anywhere close to being a starter at NT. Consequently, I think it imparative that the Niners draft a NT who can start from day 1 in this draft. Taylor will be gone … that leaves Ellis, Williams and Fua (I’m leaving Powe out for obvious reasons). I think that Ellis will go in the third round, Williams in the fourth, and Fua in the fourth or fifth. My vote is for Kendrick Ellis at pick #76. I think that he would be a fantastic addition and that Fangio / Tomsula could make him into an absolute monster.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Apr 19, 2011 1:32 PM PDT reply actions
1. The thing about nose tackle not being the best use of his skills, is that even when you consider Dareus at “half his level of play” (ie, at nose tackle) he’s still better than the rest of the guys on the list, at least in my opinion.
I’ll respond to the rest a bit later, just checking in real quick!
And then God created Saturn ... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
SaberCats Examiner | SB Nation Bay Area | Niners Nation | Twitter
No ... I just want to be able to get the maximum possible performance from each one of our guys!
I love Dareus. In fact, given this draft, here’s my “dream team” on the defensive line — RDE Justin Smith, NT Kendrick Ellis, LDE Marcel Dareus. Is that killer or what? Oh, and as long as we’re at it, we draft Cam Jordan to take over when Justin gets tired and/or ready to retire.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Apr 19, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I like J.J. Watt … to me, that guy IS Justin Smith in a couple years. He never stops.
Any way, if we were to draft Dareus, we could play him at NT, let Franklin walk (as you envision) and let RJF develop as a backup at every position on the line. He’s got a lot of raw potential and actually could be a good DE. Like a more consistent Ray McDonald type.
And then God created Saturn ... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
SaberCats Examiner | SB Nation Bay Area | Niners Nation | Twitter
I like Watt a lot too! If we couldn't have Dareus or Jordan, Watt is next on my list.
Oh, regarding your comments below on Powe … just goes to show what happens when you become an old man (which, I admit, I am) … I’ve become more conservative (certainly not politically) as I’ve aged … I was much more willing to take the risk when I was younger (and, in fact, did take them … and won), but now somehow I feel the need to take the more conservative approach. Somehow that’s sad. Hell, maybe we should go for Powe … I’ll think about it.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Apr 19, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
As for Powe, if you look back to some tape from 2009, I really don’t see any consistency issues at all. In 2010, they tried to switch his position, and I’ve heard that he wasn’t happy about that at all, and thus the lack of consistency. Now that obviously brings up another problem: attitude. Patrick Willis didn’t think he should play MIKE linebacker in a 3-4, but he shut right up and did it. Does Powe have a problem with authority? Maybe, and that’s why I believe he’s falling, because he has the skillset to be a second round pick. He’s a sleeper of mine because of that skillset, it’s just a VERY BIG boom or bust kind of thing. So really, I understand with what you’re saying about Powe and mostly agree, it’s just that I personally get past those things when it comes to my perception of him.
Williams would be a great NT for the 49ers and should probably be higher, I will give you that. I don’t mean to just make excuses, but it’s worth noting that around 3:00 a.m., I decided that my QB rankings weren’t ready, so I had to put together these rankings and push this piece out faster than I intended. I still like Gray a lot, and do keep one thing in mind – whenever I put my percentages out there, these are also based on how the scope of the draft is going. If all the other nose tackles are gone in my order and the 49ers really want one, sometimes you reach. You can start going for need later on in the draft.
As for Paea, I think the nose tackle discussion is coming up more and more, and that’s just how I think other teams are seeing it at this point. I really understand the whole “waste of talent” kind of thing, but teams with a 3-4 nose tackle need aren’t going to say “Ah, that’s a shame, I don’t want to make him do this …” they’re going to say “Oh God, all that’s left is Chris Neild?! Paea, please!” (obviously not that scenario since Paea is going in the second round)
And then God created Saturn ... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
SaberCats Examiner | SB Nation Bay Area | Niners Nation | Twitter
I agree, Paea would make a better NT than DE
He’s described to be as a wide as a coke machine and just as difficult to move. I think his strength is a much bigger asset at NT than DE. I can see him easily occupying two guys and creating room for our OLBs
And don’t forget, about Dareus, he was a dominating, strength-based player who made his mark by stopping the run. It’s only this year that he’s really developed other skills like rushing the passer … he was destined to become a NT before a DE, it’s just that his development on all fronts made people realize “Hey, this guy is a beast anywhere!”
I’m so scatterbrained right now, still running on no sleep.
And then God created Saturn ... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
SaberCats Examiner | SB Nation Bay Area | Niners Nation | Twitter
Yup. Even his pass rushing isn't the traditional sense of pass rushing.
His pass rush is more like what Bryant Young did to Dermontti Dawson where he just outright blows the guy 5 yards into the backfield and into the QB.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 19, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
BY2? Salivating!
If he’s half the player and half the man that BY has been, he’d be a great pick.
(Although, I’d have to double-check with Florida Danny; I’m thinking that to statistically fulfill the above, Darius would then weigh about 75 pounds, maybe not a great playing weight for a starting nose tackle or defensive end.)
by OffensiveInterference on Apr 19, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
His ceiling I guess could reasonably be considered a bigger Bryant Young
He a mammoth athlete. 320 and explosive as a man 40 lbs lighter.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 20, 2011 2:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Justin Smith isn't 320 lbs either
Dareus is a NT’s body and frame with the athleticism of a 4-3 DE. You move him around. He plays NT on 1st down and 2nd and short, then on 3rd and 4th down you move him around and let him wreak havoc.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 19, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I personally would love a nickel line of
J. Smith – RJF – Dareus – Sopoaga, with RJF, Soap and McDonald moving around quite a bit. That’s without even considering Franklin!
A good thing about Dareus at NT, is that it gives us more size and would allow us to play Ray McDonald more consistently. Franklin gives up a lot of size in our scheme, and for that, we use Sopoaga to plug some holes. When Dareus is used to plug, McDonald can maybe become an impact player rushing as a DE.
And then God created Saturn ... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
SaberCats Examiner | SB Nation Bay Area | Niners Nation | Twitter
And people need to remember that Dareus plugging holes doesn’t mean that he won’t be going after the passer. There will be plenty of times where we say “occupy that gap” and then he tosses the other guys away, and there’s no need to occupy it anymore, and he will then get after the QB. He’s the kind of guy that makes NT multi-faceted.
And then God created Saturn ... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
SaberCats Examiner | SB Nation Bay Area | Niners Nation | Twitter
there's like hardly any speed or outside rushers in that line though
I’d have to take Soap out of that rotation and plug in the best OLB/43DE type we had, Brooks, Gibson, drafted player X, etc.
Draft EVERYONE!
Tvittah
he has more potential though and he does make some big plays
limitied playing time, two years ago he had a blocked punt and last year I believe he had a pick. most people do not even know who demetric evans is lol
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 20, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Franklin is very good at what he does. Time to pay the man.
Put him at LDE if we were to draft him. Then again, as much as I like the BPA strategy, defensive line on our 3 man front is about the last on the list of our needs. I’d be kinda disappointed with Dareus, no matter how good he is. Need a bonafide pass rushing OLB.
Quinn or Peterson plz.
I love Fua as a value pick in round 4 or 5
And I agree that Paea is a beast.
Not a huge fan of Taylor, Powe, or Ellis. I like Dareus, but I’m hopeful that someone better will be available at #7… as I’d definitely take Miller, Quinn, Peterson, or Green ahead of him, and I might take Amukamara as well.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 19, 2011 3:58 PM PDT reply actions
I think Taylor could end up falling flat at the pro level, it's just a gut feeling.
So I actually am scared of him too, but I couldn’t deny the talent and had to have him second. He really does absolutely destroy people when he hits them, though.
And then God created Saturn ... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
SaberCats Examiner | SB Nation Bay Area | Niners Nation | Twitter
Take Dareus
BPA and it never hurts to add an excellent D-lineman to the mix. Great insurance if Franklin goes (play at DE and slide Sopoaga over); and Smith won’t be around forever.
you forgot option 3
switch to a 4-3 base defense and have dareus and franklin as dts.
That's not an option. It has to at least be conceivable.
And then God created Saturn ... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
SaberCats Examiner | SB Nation Bay Area | Niners Nation | Twitter
rather have 34
austin/dareus/justin smith
lawson/tko/willis/chris carter
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 20, 2011 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
dareus in the first, marvin austin in the second
austin/dareus/justin smith
21 sacks a year, plus you are not going to run at that either. would be solid line for years. any team ever had their entire d-line in the pro-bowl
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
1-gap vs. 2-gap
Some of these guys would be able to play NT just fine, but depends on whether they can 1-gap or 2-gap and how Fangio wants his NT to play. Fua has 2-gapped in Fangio’s system, despite being smaller. Ian Williams, Paea, these guys are more athletic and 1-gappers. If Bowman is playing TED, that puts more on him to make the play while the NT simply commands a double team on one side. TKO could easily handle shedding an extra defender and sifting, but we don’t know if he’s back.
I’m just surmising that Fangio will play the front 7 similarly to this, but I lean towards a 2-gap, smart, read/react, anchor player, personally.
Draft EVERYONE!
Tvittah
Anthony Gray
I’m really surprised you had Anthony Gray ranked as high as you did. (And pleasantly surprised) I have liked him for a while, big guy with a motor it seems and could eat up some space. Question for you though. You have him ranked over Ian Williams. How big of a spread do you feel is between he and Williams (and Nelid)?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 20, 2011 4:31 PM PDT reply actions

by 













































