2011 NFL Draft Positional Rankings: Christian Ponder Tops Blaine Gabbert In This QB Prospect Ranking
It's about time I go through and clumsily list my rankings, big board and projections when it comes to the 2011 NFL Draft. I say clumsily because we already have an NCAA guy, Drew K, and he's very likely my superior in most cases, but I've been hitting more often than I've been missing, and it's led folks to ask me to post my own thoughts in a more expanded format, so I'm here to do that. I will cover most positions, list a big board at the end, and generally talk at length about guys, of whom 95% won't be wearing Red and Gold next year. Previously, I posted my prospect rankings for the nose tackle position, cornerback position, and before that, the 3-4 outside linebacker position.
The Quarterback
Each and every one of you knows that the 49es absolutely have to bring in one, two, or even three quarterbacks this offseason. Alex Smith remains an option going forward, and I've detailed why I think he deserves to be an option previously, but he no longer deserves to be the sole option. Suffice to say that I think Smith has solid ability and might be able to pull something off with the right coaching staff, and that I believe he has kind of gotten the short end of the stick in San Francisco.
Still, the days where Smith is "the guy" going forward in the offseason are long gone, and the 49ers need to address the position. There will be a quarterback drafted at some point in the 2011 NFL Draft by San Francisco, it's just a matter of which one, and when. I'd guess that there's a couple of the top guys the 49ers like, but I also tend to think that Jim Harbaugh is very particular, and he won't "settle" for just anybody. He'll either make moves to get the quarterback he wants, or he'll get some developmental guys and target somebody he has his eyes on in free agency or trade. He won't reach for a quarterback.
After many delays, I've come to my quarterback rankings. I have a lot to say about these guys, but quarterbacks, more than any position, can all sound very similar, but I've done my best to differentiate my descriptions of these guys. I've been working on ranking these quarterbacks for over a month now, but I have unfortunately condensed this actual post into about six hours total of writing and assembling, so I do kind of ramble on a bit, but I stand by these rankings 100%. The percentages, as always, are what I expect the 49ers like them in the given rounds. Let's get to it, folks.
Quarterback Prospect Rankings
| Rank | Player/School | Height/Weight | Rd. 1 | Rd. 2 | Rd. 3 | Rd. 4 | Rd. 5 | Rd. 6 | Rd. 7 |
| 1 | Christian Ponder, Florida St. | 6'2'', 229 lbs | 80% | 90% | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| 2 | Blaine Gabbert, Missouri | 6'4'', 231 lbs | 75% | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| 3 | Jake Locker, Washington | 6'3'', 227 lbs | 60% | 70% | 85% | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| 4 | Colin Kaepernick, Nevada | 6'5'', 233 lbs | 40% | 80% | 90% | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| 5 | Cameron Newton, Auburn | 6'5'', 244 lbs | 65% | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| 6 | Ryan Mallett, Arkansas | 6'7', 247 lbs | 40% | 45% | 60% | 70% | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| 7 | Andy Dalton, TCU | 6'2'', 210 lbs | 15% | 60% | 65% | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| 8 | Ricky Stanzi, Iowa | 6'4'', 223 lbs | 0% | 20% | 40% | 50% | 60% | N/A | N/A |
| 9 | Pat Devlin, Delaware | 6'3'', 225 lbs | 0% | 0% | 0% | 40% | 50% | 55% | N/A |
| 10 | T.J. Yates, North Carolina | 6'3'', 219 lbs | 0% | 0% | 0% | 10% | 15% | 30% | 50% |
| 11 | Greg McElroy, Alabama | 6'2'', 220 lbs | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 10% | 20% | 40% |
| 12 | Scott Tolzien, Wisconsin | 6'2'', 212 lbs | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 20% | 30% |
| 13 | Nathan Enderle, Idaho | 6'4'', 240 lbs | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 20% | 30% |
| 14 | Tyrod Taylor, Virginia Tech | 6'1'', 217 lbs | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 15% | 25% |
| 15 | Taylor Potts, Texas Tech | 6'4'', 218 lbs | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 10% | 20% |
Talking Points
- This was the hardest post to put together, as I waffled a lot on spots one and two, and where to put someone like Stanzi, because I think he has some of the best developmental potential in the draft.
- My sleeper is Pat Devlin, he can be something special with, at the minimum, one year to sit and learn. He's a prototypical west coast offense quarterback and I would be elated to see him go to San Francisco in the fifth or sixth round.
- T.J. Yates fits the above criteria as well, and I will admit right now, I wasn't high on him for awhile. Somebody on Niners Nation talked him up an awful lot, and it led me to looking more into him and I spent a good three hours watching solely him last week.
- I don't think the 49ers should draft Blaine Gabbert at pick seven if he's around, I feel like elite defensive talent is more important at this point in the draft and that there might be trade opportunities
- There is a surprising amount of starting-caliber players given enough time to develop in this draft, but remember: I will talk about their developmental ability a lot, but I shouldn't have to remind you that more often than not ... quarterbacks fail. That's just how it is.
- Really interested to know where you folks would be happy with Ricky Stanzi - I've seen him taken as high as the second and as late as the fifth. Also would like to know which quarterbacks you'd be alright with selecting in the first round.
Individual Thoughts
1. Christian Ponder - I've taken a liking to Ponder over the last few weeks, like much of the 49ers fanbase. I don't think he's quite a finished product, though most players in this draft aren't anyway, but he does excel in areas that we should feel good about. Ponder excels over the middle, has great timing, and is very accurate in that regard. He's the kind of player who's style is generally predicated on riding a strong rushing attack, but he didn't even have to do that in college. He's smart and athletic, two very Harbaugh-esque traits. I think, with the power rushing attack, the strength of tight ends Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker, the 49ers will become a team very based on timing and accuracy when it comes to the passing game, and that's something Ponder could do from day one. For some negatives, he struggles on the deep ball and doesn't really "wow" you with his numbers. I'd like him to go through his progressions quicker and I'd like to see more touch put on the ball. Either way, I think Ponder is a great fit in San Francisco and he's somebody that can be coached up.
2. Blaine Gabbert - The Missouri product tops most quarterback rankings, but I couldn't give him the nod here. There's a lot I don't like about Gabbert and his meteoric rise to the top of the quarterback rankings after Andrew Luck decided to stay in college. His accuracy is just not there at all times, I don't like his propensity to get absolutely flustered and disappear from games. If a running back is off, you have backups and you can alter the gameplan a little ... when your quarterback is off, there's pretty much no hope for you to win. His footwork disappears, his throws hang up there, it's just not pretty. But there is a lot to like about him, and that's why he's number two on my list. Good, strong arm that doesn't lead to over-throwing the shorter and intermediate routes, he's got great touch on his passes and throws a beautiful ball most of the time. He's got good athletic ability and knows when to make plays outside of the pocket. I don't like the offense he played in at Missouri and I think he has a lot to learn in regards to starting in the NFL, but he really is the prototypical kind of guy you want for development.
3. Jake Locker - This guy is almost an anomaly, because every single thing he does is virtually mechanically sound. He is a guy with almost perfect intangibles, and just about any scout will tell you as much. But for one reason or another, the accuracy just isn't there. He's got a very strong arm and looks great on the deep ball. He's got a quick release, quick feet, makes good drops and has a beautiful throwing motion. But again, we go back to the accuracy. You can make a case for lacking play from his receivers and team around him, but there's nothing that can explain that awful completion percentage. There is a lot to work with there, and any quarterback-needy team who believes in their own ability to develop a quarterback will be licking their lips in anticipation of working with this kid to figure out how to maximize his insane potential.
4. Colin Kaepernick - I have him higher than most, and I almost felt like I should put him even higher. This is a draft deep on developmental quarterbacks, and Kaepernick is the top of the order in that regard. He's gotten better every season he's played, and is very smart and determined to learn. He will come in and immediately be receptive. He's got the second biggest arm in the draft and looks great on the deep passes. He's not your prototypical west coast offense quarterback, he struggles with some of the easier throws and finds it hard to get into a rhythm. His throwing motion is something that will be eternally criticized, and even though he says teams don't want to change it, you can bet Harbaugh would have a few critiques. What it boils down to is the fact that Kaepernick is just too good at most things to pass him up because he might be a better fit in a different offense, he's the kind of guy you build around and mold to your liking.
5. Cameron Newton - Newton is here because there is so much raw material that can be something special, if it can be utilized. I personally do not think it can be molded into something else, I don't think that Newton is exceedingly developmental, I think he feels like he's a finished quarterback and that he won't put in the work, but that's just my view on the matter. If the 49ers draft him, I will support him and believe in Harbaugh's ability to turn him into something that we all know he has the talent to be. He's got a huge arm and amazing athleticism, he isn't mistake-prone and he protects the ball. I don't like his throwing motion, but it's at least a quick release. He doesn't, however, have great timing or deadly accuracy when asked to thread the needle. His footwork is atrocious, and that will cost him at the NFL level. When people are hounding him, he panics, his footwork breaks down even more, and he does this weird, half-jumping throw that I've seen in literally every game he's played and it drives me crazy. That has to be eliminated, or he won't make it in the NFL, simply put. He's got a lot of character concerns.
6. Ryan Mallett - The strongest arm in the draft right here, folks. Mallett is somebody that you folks know I loved before this past season. But then this past season happened, and he showed me a lot of bad things. His accuracy dropped off and he started throwing the short timing routes like he was trying to force the ball through their chest. His footwork, if you can call it that, regressed, and his throwing motion got worse, a bit longer. He routinely thinks he has a man open, but it's not even close and he gets picked off because his accuracy, as stated, just isn't there. His personality ... boy has that been self destructive. He's drawing comparisons to Ryan Leaf, and I see them. I also fully believe the talk of him missing a meeting with the Carolina Panthers due to a bad hangover. The best things I can say about him are these: he has a fantastic arm and is built like a boulder, with a lot of potential upside. Mallett is "boom or bust" personified.
7. Andy Dalton - Supposedly, the 49ers have a lot of interest in Dalton, and it's easy to see why. He's got a great mix of arm strength and accuracy, he can make the throws that Harbaugh would ask of him. He's athletic, smart, and is a leader on the football field. Unfortunately, there's just not a ton of developmental ability there ... Dalton almost feels like a finished product with what he can do, short of learning how to better work under center. I just don't see a guy who can develop into something special, I see him as middling in the NFL, but middling is still good. If he really puts in all the work and does everything he can, maybe he develops, and if Harbaugh likes him enough, then I'm fully alright with landing him, but I feel like his ceiling is relatively low for somebody with such a high floor.
8. Ricky Stanzi - This is like an ... uber-developmental west coast quarterback, right here. Stanzi is a quarterback who has improved every year he's played in every possible category. There's a lot of little issues with his footwork, his timing, his arm strength isn't elite, and he has a history of making mistakes with the football. Fortunately, everything I've seen from Stanzi indicates that he's intensely receptive to teaching. When they told him his throwing motion wasn't ideal for the NFL, he worked on it a year early and it looks great now. He's got a high football IQ and will be whatever you want him to be. I like him in the late third or fourth round.
9. Pat Devlin - I like Devlin's developmental potential a lot in the later rounds of the draft. His arm is above-average and he is super-accurate. His ball placement is better than most quarterbacks in this draft and he's great with his timing, works best with receivers out of their breaks for monster YAC (Crabtree, anyone?) Prototypical throwing motion and release, good mobility, pretty athletic. His biggest knock is the fact that he's still kind of raw and will take a lot of time to adjust. This isn't a guy that can come in day one and start, he's the kind of guy that needs to sit for at least one season, maybe even two. If the 49ers really trust in his ability, they can draft him in the fifth round, get a veteran, and plan on Devlin in a year or so.
10. T.J. Yates - I'm really adverse to the three-quarter slot passers, but Yates is one of the few exceptions. Yates, despite the throwing motion that draws my eternal ire, is a very accurate quarterback, though he wasn't always known as such. The key there is the fact that he improved everything about his game to get where he is, and that's a very accurate, good-arm pocket passer with a propensity to hit his targets in stride and deliver a good deep ball, despite an average arm. His 2010 was the exception to his own set rules, because he did almost everything right, in spite of years past. This shows that he's got a great developmental potential, but his ceiling is all over the place. He's a solid second option that will likely be a career backup, but might have a higher ceiling than that. Wild card.
11. Greg McElroy - He has "career backup" written all over him, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. McElroy has a very high football intelligence and can digest a playbook virtually overnight. Has experience running a pro style offense and has decent arm strength, accuracy and poise in the pocket, but there's just not a lot there athletically. He's got a visibly low ceiling and cannot win games on his own. McElroy is not the kind of quarterback to make things happen when the team needs it the most. Also don't like his release or his propensity for holding onto the ball until he's pulverized into the turf.
12. Scott Tolzien - Tolzien is a good athlete with above-average arm strength and throws some really pretty passes out there, with a lightning release. His accuracy isn't always there, and he holds onto the ball too long sometimes. Tolzien is a very determined quarterback, and that's why he has a better chance of developing into a starter than some of these other guys at this point in the list, but he's still projected to be a backup, though he does have some initial readiness to play at something not entirely unlike an average level.
13. Nathan Enderle - I think I might have him a little higher than most do, but I think it's just about right. Enderle is a good, accurate quarterback who knows what it means to run an offense. He's the kind of quarterback that coaches love because he's so willing and determined, but despite his obvious physical talents, he still has issues with his arm strength. He looks like he should be throwing them a lot harder than he does, and it leads to many mistakes. His throwing motion is awful, and he does small things like pat the ball before a throw, and NFL defenders will be all over him. Struggled with top competition in college, and I don't see that changing in the NFL, short of a complete transformation.
14. Tyrod Taylor - One of those super-athletic college quarterbacks who doesn't want to be told he has to play another position in the NFL. Unlike most of them, I feel like Taylor could develop into an NFL quarterback, the problem is that I don't think he'll be able to develop into a starter. The upside is that he improved in his senior year and throws a very good short pass, but anything over six or seven yards gets wild and shaky. Add in the fact that he's got a strong arm, and that leads me to believe there's just something wrong with his release, but I don't visibly see a ton I'd change, so he's a mystery in that regard.
15. Taylor Potts - Fierce determination is the reason that Potts makes this list. I like a lot of things about his game, but he's fighting a severely steep uphill battle. The Texas Tech product has a good arm, middling accuracy on all levels and is pretty athletic. He's shown enough over the last couple months to make himself a late-round prospect. I would be happy with the 49ers selecting him in the seventh, he could be a good backup.
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Great stuff Ninjames. I rarely read any draft related content here, but I always take a peek at what you have to offer. Nicely done.
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BTW...
with all this talk about the Qb and the draft, one of the reasons why I don’t read much into this stuff was reminded when I watched The Brady 6 on ESPN. I remember the days before the draft, with all kinds of speculation of who the 49ers would pick, including Wynn.
That doesn’t take anything away from your post. Just pointing out a reason why I don’t take much from anything draft related when it comes to the Media. Unless it’s a deep breakdown of a particular player.
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Thanks for the kind words, and I essentially agree.
It’s why I don’t put too much time in my percentages, and why I consider mock drafts nothing more than a fun way to pass the time. I love me some good prospect rankings though.
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Yeah, I like the rankings as well..
Your article also reminds me why I think the 49ers should not take a QB in the first round. It’s a fairly weak class this draft. I’d rather the 49ers trade down this season, pick a QB in the third according to value, trade for a Vet, and pick one next draft.
They are not that desperate for a QBOTF yet, simply because there are a lot of other holes to fill that a Vet QB can manage.
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Yeah, it’s not very top heavy, there’s just so much potential, not enough tangible bang for your buck.
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pick a QB in the third according to value, trade for a Vet, and pick one next draft.
+1
Would rather pick from next years crop then get saddled with a Gabbert or Newton.
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by Hoopers Judge on Apr 21, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not a big fan of guys having difficulty using that touch pad on ESPN and constantly changing who they think will go where. I can appreciate this article because it matches how each quarterback is valued for the 49ers.
by mcwagner on Apr 21, 2011 2:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
ESPN keeps you guessing...
so that you watch them fumble around when it comes to draft day.
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well....
until Chris Berman gives away the answer courtesy of his lucky cab driver!
by David Fucillo on Apr 21, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no idea who our first QB picked will be
But I know that I would really like McElroy to be our second QB pick of the draft. He is the kind of guy you would be comfortable with being a backup for 10 years and coming in and getting your team through any rough patch when your starter is injured. Not flashy, but solid and smart. Everything you want in your safety net. But thats just my opinion
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yea. i like that thought. he’d be good with a clipboard in hand while learning from harb.
What are the percentages?
The percent chance they have at going in that round?
They’re very, very quick, un-scientific thoughts of how likely it is the 49ers take them in that round.
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Ponder
Great post…I agree with your assessment of Ponder and believe he will be the best fit for the 49ers. I really believe Harbaugh can make him a great QB.
I agree with Newton being #5
That is going out in a limb because many, including myself think he is going to be the #1 pick. that said, I cannot agree on Ponder being ahead of Gabbert. It just doesn’t work for me. First, Gabbert is way ahead in terms of development and is more accurate. secondly, Ponder was a disappointment in college and that scares the hell out of me. I will say I did enjoy the write up a great seal
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Apr 21, 2011 2:47 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Right, and when it came down to Ponder or Gabbert for me, I concluded that I thought Ponder was better suited for the offense and it became a battle of intangibles.
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Gabbert is too much of a reach...
I can’t for the life of me see why anybody ranks him high. He could very well be Alex Smith 2.0. His mechanics are stiff, and his accuracy meh.
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I don't see the big deal with Gabbert.
There’s nothing about his game that screams 1st round pick. Average arm, average accuracy on short passes, mediocre accuracy beyond 10-15 yards from the line of scrimmage, “meh” production in a system that he should of exploded in, and he literally has no pocket presence to speak of. Alex Smith might have been a better prospect coming out of college then Gabbert.
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by Hoopers Judge on Apr 21, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
ssshhhhh
don’t tell anyone picking ahead of us!!! lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Apr 21, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
For The 49ers? Or in the NFL in general?
Because those are two different things. If Harbaugh plans to implement the post modern Bill Walsh system, I am inclined to believe that, of the top prospects, Gabbert is the best option. However, I can see how people would fall into love with Ponders skills. That said, with all the QBs on the draft I believe that Kaepernick, Dalton and McElroy fit best
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Apr 21, 2011 5:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t see how Gabbert would be the option there, not that he doesn’t do those things well, but Ponder is much better suited for over the middle, slant, YAC kind of thing.
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A good QB is a good QB...
Regardless of the system. The whole “Perfect WCO QB” is really misleading hogwash. It’s like saying Steve Young wouldn’t have excelled in the Zampese offense, or that Elway was nothing until Shanahan came along.
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Right, but it’s not me saying that Gabbert can’t be the pick, it’s me saying that Ponder is the better pick.
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Yep, and I don't see..
Gabbert as a good QB that can adapt faster even with a watered down scheme due to his mechanics.
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That is wrong
QBs do thrive in certain systems. That have been proven over and over again throughout the history of the modern NFL. Steve Young didn’t fit well into Tampa Bay’s system, but once he came over to the 49ers it clicked perfectly. I understand some of that was the lack of talent with Tampa Bay, but some of it was the scheme. What about Rich Gannon in Kansas City, compared to him in Oakland? Would Donovan McNabb has been successful had he not run the WCO?
Alex Smith isn’t good behind center, but works much better in the spread offense. How do you explain that if the system doesn’t matter?
A QB with average intermediate accuracy can strive in a certain system (Brett Favre), but wouldn’t work well in the WCO where slants etc… are the majority of play calls.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Apr 21, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Lets see ... gotta agree fully with Drummer here
That’s some very slanted opinion there. I could break it down but I’ve gotten to point where I realize it will never help.
Funny you , i've been to that point for some time now ...!!
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what type of offense did steve young play in tampa bay?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 21, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Run for his life offense
The SF vs TB contrast is almost moot. The problem with his example, Steve Young had trouble running Walsh’s offense for several years The keys to game each weekend was for Young to pass the ball, not run. Announcers would always point out there was a guy named Jerry Rice.
Gannon is a worst example. A guy who despite outperforming Grbac kept getting benched because Grbac was believed to be the quintessential WCO QB to run the Chiefs.
Alex Smith numbers aren’t better in the spread offense. His number were picked apart for 2009, he played slightly better under center. Underlying point to back drummer’s argument, system changed but numbers remained the same.
I don’t even know what he was referring to with Favre. He played in WCO offense for most of his career and his best pass was the slant, yet he was known for rockets balls all across the field.
nocal might as well try and use...
The LA Express offense in whack theories.
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Oh please for Crissakes...
Young stepped into an already established system in SF. So did a lot of the backups who looked decent enough within that system that already had a lot of talent. Smith on the other hand is a perfect example of no matter what scheme (within the Coryell based schemes or the WCO) it’s all predicated on read, recognition, timing, mechanics, etc. I mean, Mike Vick ra Dan Reeve’s offense in ATL. Now he runs Reid’s offense in PHI.
You’re concept is flawed. A good QB can adapt to a system, especially when that system has been already established. You should know this.
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Wait a second, Vincent ... "Gabbert is way ahead in terms of development and is more accurate" (than Ponder).
How’s that? Ponder is better than Gabbert in every stat but one …
Better completion % — 65% versus 61%
More TDs — 65 versus 61
Fewer INTs — 15 versus 18
Higher QB Rating / final year — 136 versus 127
Higher QB Rating / next to final year — 148 versus 140
Ah, but Gabbert wins the battle of Career Yards Per Completion — 12.0 versus 11.6 (not an overwhelming difference)
And, you found Ponder a “disappointment in college”? I’ll admit that I certainly found it disappointing that a medical staff at a school as prominent as Florida State could screw up a diagnosis as badly as they did … but I don’t put the resulting shortfall of performance (which amazingly, still wasn’t THAT bad) on Ponder.
If Ponder beats Gabbert in virtually every measurable and is still a “disappointment”, what the hell does that make Gabbert?
Could you give me (us) a bit more explanation?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Apr 21, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You have to look at surrounding talent and quality of the conferences in which they were playing
The talent around Christian Ponder at Florida State would have seemed to indicate a much better record for him as a starting QB. Talent like Bert Reed, Rod Owens, Jermaine Thomas, Antone Smith, Preston Parker, Taiwan Esterling and Rodney Smith. I mean you are looking at extraordinary talent there. Yet, you are looking at a 22-13 record in games that he played in. Also, it is no secret that the ACC is a pretty darn weak conference.
Meanwhile, Blaine Gabbert was 21-8 in games that he played for Missouri; also, the Big 12 was a much more difficult conference. And, look at the talent level comparison as well. Beyond Danario Alexander there really wasn’t much there. That said, he had a much better winning percentage than Ponder.
The reason Ponder has more TDs is because he started more games (apples to oranges), he had less interceptions because Missouri relied heavily on the pass.
College Career
Blaine Gabbert: One interception per 51.8 attempts
Christian Ponder: One interceptions per 32.2 attempts
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Apr 21, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
WOWOWOW
That is a damning stat! LMAO 1 int every 30 passes IN COLLEGE. While playing for a good team with an above average rushing attack and decent offensive line.
PONDER IS A BUST.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 21, 2011 7:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Won Loss is not a Quarterback stat.
Ponder > Gabbert.
Gabbert is a product of hype. He’s put up mediocre numbers in wide open system in the Big 12, where nobody plays pass defense.
The best measure of QB efficiency is yards per attempt, and Gabbert ranked 8 of 12 in his conference. Link
You can draft Gabbert or Cody Hawkins, and you’ll get just about the same player — except with Hawkins you’ll get far more touchdowns per attempt.
While Ponder will be a bad pick that doesn’t amount to much, Gabbert will be an epic bust.
It’s not that I think Ponder is going to have any success, but he’ll be picked in the 2nd round or the bottom of the 1st, not in the top 10.
FSU as a program is better in every way with immensely more talent than Mizzou
And Ponder managed to turn FSU into a joke.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 21, 2011 7:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Great write-up.
Very informative.
I’m at the point where I have complete faith in Harbaugh for whoever he hand picks. But I am hoping for someone from the trio of Ponder/Dalton/Kaep as our first QB selected.
Stanzi seems like a solid later-round pick if available too. I wish the 28th would just roll around now so we could see if a QB rush happens late in the first and how the Niners will respond.
Good stuff, thorough as always.
There are upside guys and safer guys, as is the case with every position in the draft. My upside guys are:
Gabbert, Newton, Kaepernick
safer, receptive, could play soon guys:
Ponder, Ponder, Ponder, Stanzi, Dalton
My preference is Ponder, as early as 20’s with trade up/back. Gabbert, if he falls (or Newton) really far is in play due to value. After Ponder though I prefer Kaepernick in the 2nd, or Dalton later (move down) in 2nd, and Stanzi in bottom 2nd/early 3rd. I think these guys (Ponder, Kaep, Dalton, Stanzi) all will put in the work and be coachable, Harbaugh will put them in a position to succeed and they’ll do what it takes.
Late round I like McElroy, Yates as backups for now (Yates could develop into starter, McElroy likely Shaun Hill 2.0)
Draft EVERYONE!
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As others have said, really nice article matey. Good work. Would you be happy with any of those 15 QBs if taken at the correct stage of the draft, or are there any you don’t like come what may? I ask because as I understand it, your percentages are what you think the 49ers think, rather than what you yourself think?
I have powers that you cannot begin to imagine.
I think all, with maybe the exception of Tyrod Taylor, have a lot of developmental talent, whether it be starter or backup, so I would like them in their respective rounds. The percentages are for the 49ers, not for me, but I don’t differ too much.
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I must agree with you, I have a feeling we’ll trade up from the early 2nd round to the late 1st round to get Locker. If Harbaugh is a qb guru i dont see why he wouldn’t be able to develop Locker to his full potential
by ninersince94 on Apr 21, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Ponder -
Under pressure his accuracy disappears, his footwork is not what people make it out to be and he makes HORRIBLE HORRIBLE decisions 3 or 4 times a game and just throws into crowds.
Bust – Not even close to caliber that Clausen was last year.
Gimme 1 round!
Oh and his deep ball sucks
And he made a good team stink. His backup was definitely better than he was.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 21, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Drew and I have been saying this for a while.
And we’re both gonna have a good laugh when this guy busts horribly. Go watch his tape against OU, (who does NOT have a particularly good defense), and you’ll see how “wonderful” this guy is. (read wonderful as miserable)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 21, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Link to said tape?
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by Riding The F Train on Apr 21, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
YouTube.com
Search joshmtd and you’ll find it.
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by manraj7 on Apr 21, 2011 5:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
here is the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXRUCXP2In4&feature=feedu
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thanks, I'll check it out!
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by Riding The F Train on Apr 21, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s totally fine, I’m glad it gives the jollies.
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Nice James , gonna have to go with T.J. Yate's for no apparent reason it just sound's kewl ...
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I thought it stood for
Just please sTop putting him on the field!
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 21, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Christian Ponder
will be changed to CHRIST get him out of the game already!!
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 21, 2011 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I may have to find a more scientific way to go about my approach in picking the rite Qb then ...!!
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J.T. O'sullivan, lol
pick six baby ya
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 21, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Forgot one ...Touchdown Jesus ...!!
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ADAM FROMAN!?!?
I’m slightly confused why you would talk about guys like Taylor Potts and Tyrod Taylor but not Adam Froman? This is a guy with NFL size, good arm, great athleticism, gym rat, local guy, accurate, etc. He could be an above average backup and possibly even a starter.
HERE is a good article on him, and HERE are his senior highlights. I believe Matt Barrows talks about him a lot too.
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by Riding The F Train on Apr 21, 2011 4:45 PM PDT reply actions
Also this:
April 19, 2011 12:01 p.m. – Dave Razzano, a former NFL scout of 20 years, said that Louisville QB Adam Froman would be a “perfect project for (49ers coach Jim) Harbaugh.” He tweeted that Froman “has a lot of skill (and) can throw and run (the 40-yard dash) in the 4.5’s.” 49ers RapidReports
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by Riding The F Train on Apr 21, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh you cited Razzano
That means this kid cannot possibly be good.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 21, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, it was Eric Branch (my favorite beat writer)
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by Riding The F Train on Apr 21, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Froman is number sixteen.
For the record, then I have Adam Weber, Jeff Van Camp, etc.
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That Brings Up Another Question
How the heck do you have Froman rated lower than Enderle, Potts, and Taylor?
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by Riding The F Train on Apr 21, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Because I’m not going to just read Branch’s pieces (which are lovely) and rate him higher. I have him rated as the 16th best quarterback based on what I’ve seen (which is a lot, for him, thanks to Branch.)
You won’t find him higher than sixteen, I don’t think.
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If you'd like my expanded thoughts on him, I can give them to you a bit later, as well.
He’s a guy who could go in the seventh round or be a free agent pickup, solid developmental ability to be a backup. Like the guys above him.
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Well here's the thing
When talking about Taylor you say this:
The upside is that he improved in his senior year and throws a very good short pass, but anything over six or seven yards gets wild and shaky. Add in the fact that he’s got a strong arm, and that leads me to believe there’s just something wrong with his release, but I don’t visibly see a ton I’d change, so he’s a mystery in that regard.
Adam Froman doesn’t have these concerns. He throws a very nice intermediate depth ball.
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by Riding The F Train on Apr 21, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
And Taylor is just, almost unanimously, considered a better prospect. I’ll let you know why a bit later. Like I said, he’s at 16, and most places have him around 18, 19 or 20. There’s more than just an intermediate deep ball.
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Because Taylor is actually good?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 21, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Adam Froman?
Any relation to Abe Froman, the Sausage King of Chicago?
by David Fucillo on Apr 21, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks for not putting newton number one
but number 9 might have fit him best.
dalton and stanzi are the two I hope the niners get.
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Matt Leinart isn’t our future? I mean the guy won enough trophy’s in college to decorate a concert hall.
I’m sure we can get the Texans to trade him.
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(He’s on the Texans?)
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Ponder trap
Well you are consistent. Have Ponder and Gabbert rated #1 and #2. Both have the same significant problem, propensity to make facepalm plays to lose games. I’d rather have the QB who throws a few extra in-completions than the QB who shuffles without clue until the defense collapses on him (Gabbert) or the QB who pre-snap reads himself into 3-4 potential INTs a game (Ponder).
My other problem with these top two QBs, what is it they can do? Ponder can throw short passes quickly, not much of a weapon … profile of an NFL backup. Gabbert may have less perceived weakness (other than looking lost at times) but he doesn’t have one significant strength he can lean on. At least it’s reasonable to believe Gabbert is just starting to tap his potential, he left a year early before proving a thing. Ponder, what can be develop?
I really want Kaepernick, Stanzi and Devlin. Just saying.
Preferably at least two of those.
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I'd handicap Stanzi as the best shot for landing on the 49ers
If he is around in the 3rd I think the 49ers draft him but they draft him knowing he’s probably only a backup QB. Hey when zero QBs are on the roster a 3rd round pick for backup isn’t preposterous.
I am curious about the 49ers and Kaepernick. He reminds me a lot of Harbaugh when he played in the league. Some tangible QB skills, most of the time plays ugly where you can never feel comfortable with him yet he’s trying to pull it off with will power.
I agree with both tenants here...
Except that Kaepernick has way more natural tools to work with than Harbaugh. He seems to have the same competitive fire as “The Comeback Kid” though.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 22, 2011 4:20 AM PDT up reply actions
McElroy......same thing was said about Brady.
I think that there are guys that just have IT. The ability to win. As for McElroy’s athletic ability…I see him just as athletic as Cool Joe. Montana wasn’t an overly athletic guy and I would say that McElroy is probably more athletic than Montana. I just want a QB that can win games. Brady was greatly underestimated and now what? He is one of the greatest to ever play. I would like McElroy in the 6th round as a 2nd QB drafted by the 49ers. He can spend a year on the practice squad.
I would say that McElroy is probably more athletic than Montana.
I have to disagree with this. Montana was way more mobile than McElroy and he got more zip on his passes as well. I can’t think of a single area where McElroy’s athleticism tops Montana’s.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Apr 22, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Brady actually was better in college than people see to remember.
He won games on his own. He showed a lot, McElroy has shown only that he’s a game manager with an unimpressive arm, but a very, very smart guy who could be a great backup.
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by James Brady on Apr 23, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, Dalton.
I really feel like the niners will draft him, or Kaepernick. Would be very happy with either option.
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