2011 NFL Draft: The Case Against The 49ers Drafting A Quarterback The First Two Days
It is hard to imagine that the 49ers are going to come out of the first three rounds of the draft next week without a QB. In fact, I would be extremely shocked if they didn't. However, would it be the worse situation in the world if they avoided that position in those rounds? Without advocating that they do, I am going to make for waiting until the middle rounds to draft a QB.
I understand that we all have our frustrations with Alex Smith; and I am not different. He has not panned out, it really is that simple. That said, the current CBA situation has to be taken into account by the 49ers front office. No QB in this draft will be able to come in and succeed without being given the opportunity to learn the playbook, work with the coaching staff and take part in mini-camps; it just won't happen.
Also, we have to look at another equation: this is an incredibly weak draft class for QBs and their isn't a great deal of difference between the likes of Blaine Gabbert and Pat Devlin. Sure, there is difference, just not as much as in recent years.
Let me look at this in depth after the jump.
First, lets really do some deep investigation into the worth of Alex Smith to this team. Has Alex Smith been a successful NFL QB thus far? Of course not! Is he improving as a QB? Yes!
Alex Smith Splits
Last Two Seasons First Three Seasons
1 Interception per 32.5 Att 1 Interception per 26.2 Att
.601 Completion % .544 Completion %
32 Touchdowns 19 Touchdowns
22 Interceptions 31 Interceptions
6.6 Yards Per Att 5.7 Yards Per Attempt
11.6 Yards Per Comp 10.6 Yards Per Comp
214.5 Yards Per Game 155.9 Yards Per Game
15.1 Attempts Per Sack 9.9 Attempts Per Sack
I am not cherry-picking stats; Alex Smith has improved in every major statistical category over the last two seasons, that really isn't up for contention. Alex Smith's stats compare favorably to the likes of Kyle Orton, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning and are far above that of Mark Sanchez and Donovan McNabb.
Secondly, the 2011 NFL Draft class is one of the weakest since, well Alex Smith's draft class. You really don't have any "sure fire" franchise QB, not that you ever do in any draft. However, it is more magnified this season because you don't have a player that teams are clamering to get via trade up etc... Here are some scouting reports for the top QB prospects in this draft, not too flattering if you ask me.
Blaine Gabbert
"He has the size, quick release, arm strength and athleticism that should make Gabbert an excellent NFL quarterback. But with just two years as a starter under his belt and some inconsistency in the face of pressure, he also has plenty of work to put in before starting at the next level" (CBS Sportsline)
Cameron Newton
"As gaudy as Newton's production was at the collegiate level, there are significant concerns about his ability to translate his skills to the NFL, especially considering that he's only started one season at the FBS level. Newton wasn't asked to make complicated pre- and post-snap reads in Malzahn's offense and hasn't demonstrated the consistent accuracy scouts would like" (CBS Sportsline)
"Unfortunately for his draft stock, Locker's play regressed. The Heisman hopeful entering the season struggled with his accuracy (56.6 percent completions, and flopped miserably on the national stage in a blowout loss at home against Nebraska (4-for-20 passing). But he rallied the team to three consecutive victories to close the season, and the local hero led the Huskies to his first bowl game - and redemption in a Holiday Bowl win over the Huskers" (CBS Sportsline)
It is also important to note that the drop off from the likes of these three players to Christian Ponder, Colin Kaepernick or Ryan Mallett isn't too great. Additionally, the drop off from those three players to mid round prospects such as Andy Dalton, Ricky Stanzi and Pat Devlin isn't huge either. When you have a draft class that is so intermixed with "talent", it is likely that you are going to find a star in the later round, and a couple duds in the first few rounds. This has been proven over and over again. The Chad Pennington/Tom Brady draft comes to mind first.
Now let us take a look at the top QB prospects available in the 2012 draft.
1. Andrew Luck Stanford
2. Landry Jones Oklahoma
3. Nick Foles Arizona
4. Matt Barkley Southern California
5. Ryan Lindley San Diego State
6. Kellen Moore Boise State
7. Terrelle Pryor Ohio State
I think it would be hard to argue against the fact that the 2012 draft class is much better than the 2011 version; at least in terms of the quarterback position. An argument could be made that the top five quarterbacks from the 2012 class would all go higher than Blaine Gabbert, Cameron Newton or any of the top prospects from the 2011 class. Being impatient is a part of being a football fan, but sometimes you have to look into the future and understand the consequences of reaching for a QB in a bad draft class. I am not saying that none of the top prospects from 2011 will be stars in the NFL, a couple may actually be. What I am saying is that you don't reach for a QB out of necessity.
Now we have the CBA issue, and you cannot pretend that it doesn't exist; because it does. A rookie QB will not be able to come in and learn the scheme, playbook or even practice with existing member of the roster. In fact, until a CBA is signed or the court intervenes he won't even be able to negotiate a contract. A rookie QB is already behind the eight ball in terms of learning the necessary information to even be able to play.
This is magnified when said QB doesn't even get the basics that rookie normally get. It is impossible to imagine any of the QBs succeeding without the necessary preparation, and this isn't limited to the 2011 draft class. Sam Bradford, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez would not have been successful during their rookie season if they didn't have the necessary tools to prepare for the season. Now, you take into account a weak draft class and it is magnified even more.
Now, lets say that a CBA is signed or the court intervenes. Are the rookie options much better than the 49ers could find on the open market or via trades? Will they come in and contribute more than players that have NFL playing experience? The answer is no. If you were to fast forward to the 2012 draft class the answer to these two questions would be much different, but unfortunately we do not have a time machine.
Just take a look at the players that could become available and tell me that you would rather have Blaine Gabbert or Cameron Newton with the 7th pick, Jake Locker, Ryan Mallet or Colin Kaepernick with the 2nd round pick. Carson Palmer, Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb and Josh Johnson should be available via trade with the likes of Donovan McNabb, Vince Young and Matt Hasselbeck available in free agency.
Actually, I would rather take a flyer on Brady Quinn or Chad Henne for a 6th or 7th round pick. Carson Palmer, if traded, wouldn't cost more than a 3rd round pick or some combination of mid-late rounders. I really like the idea of going after Josh Johnson once free agency starts. He doesn't have a future in Tampa Bay because of Josh Freeman and could be had for relatively cheap. It isn't just the history that he has with Jim Harbaugh; Johnson is a stud and could turn out to be an All-Pro QB in the NFL.
It really doesn't make much sense to reach for a QB in a poor draft class. Couple that with the fact that the NFL is in the midst of a CBA issue, the 2012 draft class is much better than this version and there are great options in the free agent market; and the argument against drafting a QB in the first three rounds has a lot of validity.
Option A: Go after Blaine Gabbert of Cam Newton should one fall to us at 7.
Option B: Trade back into the late 1st round and draft Jake Locker.
Option C: Stay pat and go after Ryan Mallett, Andy Dalton or Colin Kaepernick in the 2nd round
Option D: Go for a mid-late round pick with the likes of Pat Devlin, Ricky Stanzi or Greg McElroy and sign/trade for a veteran QB.
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The poll needs to be restructured
Really if you think about it, none of the options preclude keeping AS. So at least 3 and 4 could go into 5.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 23, 2011 9:17 AM PDT reply actions
Agree
But most ot the polls are a bit forced. QB in second or moved up to late first if Coach has a the hots for one guy is reasonable. Without a good QB a team is just going thru the motions.
Yes this one just seemed more...
convoluted..I guess that’s the word.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 23, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree
I voted 3 but actually I want 3 AND 5: draft CK or another second-rounder, and keep Alex and pick up a late draft project. David Carr – see ya.
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by LondonNiner on Apr 23, 2011 9:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Sort of the same
I voted other because I think CK will not last to our pick in the second, and I want us to keep AS and maybe trade ( CBA allowing ) for another player like Johnson . . .this gives us the best of all worlds ( and if we can wait till the 7th in the second for CK even better! ) and of course they drive the old Carr out of the stable.
I voted other because
Gabbert is sooooo overrated at #7. Newton could be a monster with Harbaughs tutelege.
I don't really see the second sentence
Though one would want to believe that Harbaugh could make any QB better. I just don’t see Cam as a QB that Harbaugh would want to work with. And I don’t see that he could “reign in” Cam’s tendencies without possibly causing “damage” but that’s just my opinion and well..probably we’ll never know which was right or closer. The first sentence I would pretty much agree with you on though.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 23, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
if Newton goes to the second round he will be great
Knock down that ego a bit and make him understand that he has a lot of work to do. It would humble him and give him a chip on his shoulder. The scariest thing for the team drafting Newton is that he thinks he is a finished product. He’s a project quarterback
by mcwagner on Apr 23, 2011 10:12 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If he falls to the second then yeah..I can see that
but odds are he’s not. So that’s what I was basing my thoughts upon.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 23, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Boy this is so right on the money!
His ego is not his amigo.
by Jaxson876 on Apr 23, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
will that mean
that he is no longer an “Icon” and just an “entertainer”?
lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 23, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Could we ask why?
Not disagreeing with you one way or the other. It would just be nice to hear a bit of the reason(s) why.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 23, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Wins vs lost games
Alex Smith has improve over the years, Stats prove it , But why don’t you show us his win’s vs lost games? Thats a fact no one shows when they talk about Alex Smith, Do i want Alex back for another year? No. But i am not coach Harbaugh, If thats what he wants.. So be it…
Ok here's my take on it
Is Alex the next great QB? Heck no. Is Alex a better option than Carr? Heck Yes! Would any other possible better or equal options cost us more than a contract? Yep. So you look at the Free Agent options..the free and clear free agent QB’s..no trade..no..such and such team could release them…and tell me who out of that crop is better. I can’t come up with one off the top of my head. If you can I’d love to hear it.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 23, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
So you are saying that wins make a QB.
I guess that makes Sanchez a top 10 QB. Male Ben Roethlisberger better than Steve Young because big Ben won more superbowls. Makes Trent Dilfer better than Marino.
Kellen Moore is awesome
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by manraj7 on Apr 23, 2011 10:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Male Ben Roethlisberger? Didn’t know you had to clarify that.
by mcwagner on Apr 23, 2011 10:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Make it was a typo.
Kellen Moore is awesome
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by manraj7 on Apr 23, 2011 10:50 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
100 per cent of Pro Bowl QBs in NFL history have been male. You don’t often see that stat, but it’s telling. In my view, it’s essential the Niners draft a male if they take a QB in the draft. It surprises me that Florida Danny hasn’t tackled this subject, tbh.
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by LondonNiner on Apr 23, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I hate you.
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by manraj7 on Apr 23, 2011 11:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You hate? I LOVE YOU!
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by LondonNiner on Apr 23, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa...
Johnson is a stud and could turn out to be an All-Pro QB in the NFL.
I dunno about that…what gives any indication of this? History with Harbaugh?
I mean his stat line looks pretty good, but if it’s so good why is Freeman starting?
I think the draft depends on the situation.
Personally, I want Locker and a veteran QB (McNabb particularly, but also Hass, Bulger…). However, if there’s a good pass rusher/CB in the 2nd and we didn’t get one/the other in the first, I’d go for that and hope Stanzi is there in the third.
However, Harb probably knows who he wants, and if it’s JJ and he becomes a star feel free to tell me how wrong I was. I wouldn’t mind a star QB.
Carr....LoL
Carr..LoL.. why do i keep forgetting about this guy, Hell i seen him in preseason, And he sucked then, Hell Nate Davis looked a lot better, But dumb ass Sing keeps Carr and dump’s Davis, But thats another story, Josh Johnson I say yes he is a Harbaugh guy, I don’t look @ what he done in TB, All i see is what he can do here with coach Harbaugh, Star in the making….. We see, Gotta get him 1st…
Who is Nate Davis? I don’t think I have seen him mentioned before on Niners Nation?
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by LondonNiner on Apr 23, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
You realize Davis has already been cut from the Seahawks?
They didn’t waste 2 weeks on him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 23, 2011 10:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I do realize he was cut, But do you realize he was there longer then 2 weeks?, Maybe you took to many blows to the head, Facts jack, Get it right, Plus i know you was a big fan of Nate Davis anway…LMAO
by DaHawn-49er on Apr 23, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s worth bearing in mind Fooch’s note the other day about taking a personal tone with comments. I really think the last thing anyone here needs is an argument about Nate Davis. Please don’t go there. This conversation has the look of one that could go down the argument route. I suggest not …
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by LondonNiner on Apr 23, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Umm..
can you make your point? With all respect…spouting off happens..but usually on here it happens from those who are not fly by nighters. I am honestly having a hard time understanding your point. Can you possibly state it more clearly and succinctly without venom and maybe we’d understand your point a bit better.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 23, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes this is too funny ...Johnson is a stud and could turn out to be an All-Pro QB in the NFL....!!
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We shouldn't waste any high draft picks on a QB this year
And it’s for your reason. This is a very mediocre draft class for QB’s. I had thought I’d be in favor of trading our 2nd & 3rd pick to get back into the 1st & drafting Ponder. However, being that Harbaugh is going into his 1st year as HC, I think he should have as much ability as he can to build the team to his liking. & with 12 draft pick he should be able to!
If we do any trading of picks, the most I might be willing to do is trade our 3rd and one of our 4ths to get back into the 2nd. And that’s if QB’s are coming off the board quickly & we’re left with Stanzi et al for options. Stanzi does have a lot of upside, but if all he ends up being is a career backup, at least we didn’t spend all that much to get him.
That with Alex, presuming there aren’t too many options to bring in a veteran because of little to no offseason, there should be at least some potential to have a respectable season. If not, well we didn’t give up too much, we’ve got a good amount of players that we’re getting up to speed for the future, and we might be in a good position to draft a franchise QB in 2012.
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You make good points
I like option c. I’d take kapernick
by SmittytheCutman on Apr 23, 2011 10:02 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Harbaugh has very good idea of who will be successful QBs in the NFL.
He had Tony Romo pegged as a second rounder and he went undrafted, and you can bet his brother John got his vote of confidence in Joe Flacco before he drafted him. I feel very confident that he knows how to evaluate QBs better than most everyone, and I trust his judgment for whatever round he chooses to draft his QBOTF.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Apr 23, 2011 10:08 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Me too. Have a rec.
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by LondonNiner on Apr 23, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't agree
Yeah he had some interesting grades on Romo and Garrard from his year in Oakland, but we don’t see what grade he had on the other QB’s and whether he missed.
So far…Not too impressed with the wonder boy Harbaugh. Hopefully his Smith praising has just been him being nice to the media and wanting some insurance for the position. But I get the vibe that he really does think Alex is accurate(he’s not) durable(definitely not) and tough(debatable).
So I will root for Harbaugh to make a wise choice…And if he selects someone I don’t like I will hope he makes me eat crow…But the trust isn’t quite there yet.
by BustaTheRippa on Apr 23, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I can understand why there is no need to think that Harbaugh can fly with the power of his arms alone, but he has shown good signs, yes? Based on what Harbaugh has done so far what great would you give him in evaluating quarterbacks? Myself, I would give a B.
Good signs?
With the 9ers? So far, no. His Alex Smith praise is really worrisome, but as I said it’s too early to write him off.
The draft should be able to give us a much better idea on what he sees in QB’s.
by BustaTheRippa on Apr 23, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
And then we'll have to see how he uses
the talent he’s chosen in his first year.
I’m also not in the “blind faith” crowd. I want to see improvement over the long list of jokers that received just as much faith in the past.
Personally I think Year 2 will be the time for evaluation.
If the lockout prevents Harbaugh from installing the offense Year 1 is going to be a wash IMO.
But yeah, I’m at the point where I have to see it to believe it with this organization.
by BustaTheRippa on Apr 23, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I’m not expecting major results. I think year 1 will be a wash as far as win/loss is concerned.
I just want to see some improvement in talent development as compared to the Singletary era.
Who said blind faith?
It’s always good to question, I am just saying that I believe that Harbaugh has a rare talent in evaluating/coaching young QBs, and will very likely root out the best QB(s) in the draft.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Apr 23, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
based on his career to date
I think he has done good with every quarterback he has worked with, his grades in the past have been pretty accurate also. As a 9er? He’s been handcuffed for a long time. Alex does deserve some praise as the best free agent on the market and being an average quarterback.
I think Harbaugh has to throw Alex Smith some kind of a bone in order to keep that bridge connected, just in case the Niners run out of better options.
He might not really think Alex is good at all, but it wouldn’t be too smart to be brutally honest and burn the “Workable QB Who Knows the Organization Already” bridge.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
Thinkin' nope ... ( Harbaugh has to throw Alex Smith some kind of a bone ) ...
… Harbaugh seem’s to be a man of conviction , doesn’t wear rose colored glasses , believe’s in absolute’s and has nothing to gain from his statement that he like’s what he see’s , said he watched all the film on Alex and liked what he saw , it’s really that simple …!!
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So let me ask you..
how would you feel that he should act at this time? I am not a Harbaugh hoorah person though I do have a good deal of hope for him. But if you are going to say that you don’t like the how about you also say what you feel that you think should be done differently. And please give an example of a coach that has done something different that you would use as an example during this time of…uncertainty.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 23, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think it all on Harbaugh...
it’s more the hyperbolic crapola spewed from fans that give it more creedence.
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by drummer on Apr 23, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo.
The big pet peeve I have is all these fans saying “Whoever Harbaugh picks, I’m behind it because I trust him”.
WHAT, exactly has Harbaugh done so far that has earned all this trust from 9er fans?
by BustaTheRippa on Apr 23, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
will it be cooked or is it like sushi and raw?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 23, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Salsa, of course, is a great side dish served with a fried crow wrap and tortilla chips.
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corn of flour tortilla chips? lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 23, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear Crow is best eaten with cold Revenge Salsa.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
by kinglouie33 on Apr 23, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
or he goes with alex smith
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 23, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Disagree with strength of draft class
Outside of Luck, who I agree is as close to a sure thing as you can get, the 2012 draft class is really pretty weak, IMHO. 2011 has a lot more QBs I could see being starters and affords the opportunity to get more value later in the draft.
Next year draft is top heavy.
Barkley jones and Luck are all top 10 QBs now. I can even see all of them go top 5.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
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by manraj7 on Apr 23, 2011 10:42 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Last year Locker would have been a #1 QB... but not now.. so what makes people think next year's picks will be good and have a good year?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Because Locker was the #1 based on his potential.
Kellen Moore is awesome
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by manraj7 on Apr 23, 2011 11:40 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So we are basing the 2012 QB class on potential. But it may not realize itself.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Right now I would give Jones and Luck top 5 grade.
Barkley I need to watch more of.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
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by manraj7 on Apr 23, 2011 12:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't really see it with Jones
I just think he is too interception prone, I wouldn’t trust him to run an NFL franchise based on what I’ve seen at this point. Barkley hasn’t been asked to do a whole lot. I don’t think there is enough evidence in on him. It will be interesting to see how Luck does without Harbaugh.
Here's a poll choice that I'd like to propose ...
First, draft CK in the second round next week and put him in learning mode for at least a year (no playing time this year).
Second, resign AS to a one- or two-year contract when the new CBA is consumated.
Third, Make a trade with Tampa Bay to acquire Josh Johnson; he becomes the immediate backup, then competes for the job next year.
Fourth, release David Carr.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Apr 23, 2011 10:32 AM PDT reply actions
Ya, this is what I have been wanting, but may need to give up 4th round pick to get back into bottom of first to get ck
by mrb24 on Apr 23, 2011 12:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I like this plan
Maybe we could parlay one of those into a number one pick in a couple years, a la Kevin Kolb
Anyone seen this article from the Onion?
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/new-49ers-gm-asks-if-team-can-use-draft-picks-for,20165/
Zing!
by Nicoyas on Apr 23, 2011 10:36 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The Onion is very hit and miss, I think.
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by LondonNiner on Apr 23, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
This was very much a hit!
“NFL commissioner Roger Goodell is expected to deny the request, saying the last time he allowed San Francisco to use a draft pick for non-football player purposes they wasted them on Utah’s Alex Smith.”
lol, the last time hopefully
but I think you can add in kentwan balmer to that list.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 23, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
love the onion network
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 23, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Quite an amusing ‘Related Fan Shot’ on the right-hand side of this page. It’s not related in any way to this thread – the ‘related’ Fan Shots and Fan Posts on NN rarely are – but it’s funny to see Pete Carroll implying that Mark Sanchez will be a failure in the NFL because he went into the pros as an underclassman.
Sanchez may not be the best QB in the league, but he’s done pretty good, I think? Carroll was wrong – let’s hope that continues this season. In contrast, Jim Harbaugh would have supported Andrew Luck either sticking or twisting this year – maybe he’s just an all-round nicer guy, who knows?
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Please not this
Gabbert is horrible. He’s been overhyped and his draft stock skyrocketed months after he last threw a pass.
He’s lost against pressure even though he’s in the shotgun, and put up numbers you would expect from a QB in a power running offense, not a wide open spread.
by Ougadas on Apr 23, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This. Dude sucks. 4th round project once again getting overrated by scouts and draftnik’s for the arm strength.
by BustaTheRippa on Apr 23, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
If we draft him I hope he proves me wrong.
I just don’t see any reason why he’s a first round prospect. There are so many lower ranked prospects this year that did more with less as far as production and have similar developmental weaknesses.
This is not the kind of pass efficiency ranking you want to see from a guy you are considering in the Top 10.
This is 4th round efficiency.
you are going to make me cry if gabbert is picked by the niners, lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 23, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I would vote for the locker one.
But other than that option I would vote for the sign Alex option.
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by manraj7 on Apr 23, 2011 11:23 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
No matter what happens, the 49ers will probably bring Alex back.
Even if they grab a QB with their first round selection.
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What ever happened to Ponder?
I would take Ponder over any QB in this draft and he will be within’ reach if the 49ers move up a little in the 2nd round or bottom of the 1st.
I used to hate alex smith as a qb
now, I am resigned to the fact that he will be the qb for the niners indefinitely.
I just hope the special alex smith moments will become more infrequent. Looking at other rookie qbs. and comparing them to recent alex smith stats he would do better than a rookie qb. but in the long term is he the answer?
Alex Smith might need positive reinforcement and not the threats of being yelled at or benched as was the case under sing.
what I will think will happen is the niners draft a qb and resign alex smith. alex smith will start until he gets injured again. I do not think carr gets cut but there will probably be a qb on the practice squad.
I see no point in drafting newton, gabbert, locker as they all have an alex smith factor in them.
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Locker
Don’t see any Alex in him at all.
1) Played in a pro style offense.
2) MUCH more athletic than Alex. Foot speed, quickness, arm strength, everything.
3) Mechanics are miles ahead of Alex’s were at draft time.
4) Not as accurate yet. Though I do think a coach could improve that with him and make him quite good.
by BustaTheRippa on Apr 23, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I think his accuracy
Will improve when he’s not running for his life every play.
You can see a small hitch in his first or second step on almost every dropback where he is preparing to shift his momentum to the side and make a run for it. It kills the timing on his drop and forces him to get sloppy to make up the timing difference between his drop and the routes run. With Locker this usually manifests itself as a hop step with both feet instead of planting hard off the back foot and rotating through the throw.
His footwork was sloppy in the pocket.
But at the combine he showed that he had been working hard on improving it.
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and if he has the same issue of running for his life in the nfl?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 23, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Well he likely
won’t have to do it as much as with the Huskies.
It was almost every single play.
But yeah, if he has to do the same I think maybe he falls back into old habits.
He should have came out last year.
when I watch jake locker play
he does things that make me say; hey, that is something that alex smith would do.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 23, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
:facepalm: at the stat table...
Jeeebus, why do some continue this horrid process?
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The Smith supporters have to dig deep these days to back him up
by BustaTheRippa on Apr 23, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
This isn't "Cherry Picking" stats..
this is shoveling them like it was horse manure. I mean, if you’re gonna slap and dash a stat table and compare that to other QB’s, then would the proper thing to do is say, show how many yards those other QB’s have thrown each season??
This difference of a 1000 yard differential during one season should be significant, no?
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Another post with no mention of Robert Griffin.
C’mon man…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Apr 23, 2011 4:22 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Griffin is an underrated player.
Who is currently a 2nd round player.
Kellen Moore is awesome
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Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
My thoughts:
- Keep Alex Smith (if not then get another veteran)
- Get Josh Johnson
- Draft a mid to late round QB (hope he’s the next T. Brady)
- Go after a better prospect QB in next years draft.
idk
i really dont know who is best option as it goes for the draft. but these stats on alex smith to say he has improved really looks to be misleading as for most who have seen these so called touchdown passes in junk time game outa reach situations. i have yet to see alex just comeo ut swinging and completly dominate a game from start to finish.
If we draft a qb in the first 2 days..
I think we should go with QB in the 2nd round, if there is a QB there that we have a high grade on. If no one is there, wait til the later rounds. The defensive talent is too good this draft to waste on a QB at pick 7. The only reason Gabbert and Newton are mocked going high as they are is purely on potential, there are no top-flight QB’s this draft. I think we need someone who is ready to play right away. Wait til next year.

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