2011 NFL Draft: San Francisco 49ers Best & Worst Case Scenarios
The 2011 NFL Draft is only two days away, and I'm getting extremely nervous, anxious even. Last year, I had a great time predicting how things would go down, and was only thrown off by the 49ers trading up a couple spots (I even predicted Tyson Alualu to the Jaguars) to get Anthony Davis. I figured it was for Davis at that point, but I hadn't expected movement. This year, I believe I have a very good handle of where the 49ers want to go with the seventh overall pick, but I also feel like the six teams in front of them can go in so many different directions. The biggest wild cards are Carolina and Buffalo, who could go a number of ways and change the landscape of the rest of the top ten depending on what they do.
Still, I feel like the 49ers are in a great position in this draft, and I'll probably reiterate that a couple times more before the 28th actually gets here. They're early enough to the point where one of the top three talents could fall to them, and if they don't, they're still in a position to land one of the most elite players coming out this year. They also stand a chance to grab a lot of guys who could work out in the later rounds, in this very high-potential draft. I feel like there are guys who will be around who fit the "elite talent" or "elite potential" mold in every round where the 49ers will be looking to address a need position.
That being said, there are some scenarios that are preferred over others, to be sure. I'm sure that kind of thing is different from person-to-person, as people like different players to varying degrees. I'm sure there are folks out there who like Cam Newton and think he'd be great for the 49ers at the seventh overall pick, while others might consider being forced to take him a bad scenario. I'm going to attempt to remove personal biases from this and look at what would help the team the most, while considering players that I believe the 49ers are actually interested in. After the jump, we'll explore what the best-case scenario at pick seven is, and then the worst-case scenario.
Best Case Scenario: 49ers draft Patrick Peterson, CB LSU at #7
This is almost unanimously a no-brainer, as Peterson is considered the best player in the draft by most, and definitely the consensus number one at his position. Peterson does almost everything you want out of a top-flight corner, with only a few flaws in his game that can likely be fixed at the next level with better coaching and support. He figures to make the immediate transition into a starting corner and will be thrown into the deep-end against some of the better receivers from the get-go. In San Francisco, Peterson would immediately be the number one corner ahead of Nate Clements, though I imagine it will be a game of matchups, as Nate possess certain skills that work better against certain corners. Vic Fangio would love to have a guy who can blanket like Peterson can, and he'd be the pick at seven, barring some otherworldly trade offer that they can't refuse. Every player in the league has a price, never forget that.
What could prevent this scenario from happening? All six teams ahead of the 49ers, that's what. The Carolina Panthers pick first, and they could certainly go in that direction if they think he's the best player in the draft. The Denver Broncos haven't had to worry about the position for a long while with Champ Bailey there, now with the player being touted as the next Champ, why not lock down that position for another ten years or more? Buffalo could go a number of ways, the Bills have so many needs, and could easily grab Peterson and feel great about the pick. The Bengals are probably the least likely to grab him, but he's just that good. Arizona seems to be the likely team to grab him, simply because it would turn the position into an outright powerhouse for them, and he fits the BPA criteria that they will employ at pick five. The Browns would consider him here, regardless of last year's draft.
So there's a lot that could get in the way of drafting Peterson, but it's still not an altogether unlikely scenario. The 49ers could end up drafting him, and he'd be a great fit in San Francisco.
Alternate best case scenario: 49ers trade pick seven with Peterson off the board, land Prince Amukamara a few spots later and gather ammunition to move back into the first round to select the quarterback they really want.
Worst Case Scenario: 49ers draft a defensive lineman in lieu of cornerback or outside linebacker
This is a scenario in which Patrick Peterson, Marcell Dareus, Von Miller, Robert Quinn and maybe even Prince Amukamara are gone. I do feel like drafting Amukamara if he is there is a better option than going with a defensive lineman, but the 49ers might not be that high on him. I actually have heard things to the contrary, but that's neither here nor there. The fact is that the worst case scenario for the 49ers is having to get one of the second best at a major position, or getting a top-flight defensive lineman like Cameron Jordan or Da'Quan Bowers.
Is that such a bad thing? No, I don't believe it is under any circumstances. Including Amukamara is there just means that the 49ers will land a great corner, while Cameron Jordan would immediately be a starter and is almost guaranteed to be great. It's jut considered the worst-case scenario because the team would not be getting one of the "top three" players or so in the draft, and they're not filling a position of incredible need. At the very least, this just shows that the 49ers can't come out badly. Would I prefer they trade out of the pick here? Yes. Can they go wrong with drafting at this spot? Only if they do something really, really stupid.
Alternate worst case scenario: 49ers draft Cam Newton. Because I said so. Yuck.
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Cam Newton = worst case
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I really wanted to include that.
But it’s a lot of personal bias.
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by James Brady on Apr 27, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
is it still personal bias when it is most likely true?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 27, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Mayock knew about the Alualu?
But you can take the credit for believing rumors :)
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
I was at the draft party, I couldn’t listen to Mayock.
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I can formulate my own opinions.
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I know
Its just fun to give you a hard time. Can you make the draft start today instead?
And what do you think about this business of Washington trading up to 2 for Gabbert? Does this help us?
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
I know it’s tongue-in-cheek! I wish I could make it start sooner, but then you guys would miss out on my Prince vs. Peterson article tomorrow. I don’t want to subject you guys to that.
Washington trading up for a QB can only help the 49ers, because Denver is a team that would potentially take Dareus or Peterson.
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Oh nice I'll be looking forward to that
Yeah I thought the same about Wash. If it goes Newton, Gabbert 1 & 2 it would be awesome.
Newton
Gabbert
Miller
Green
PP
?
?
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
Buffalo and Cincinnati are really hard to read, but Green being there makes Cincy easy. Buffalo could legitimately take any one of PP, Miller, Newton, Gabbert, Dareus … even Green and Fairley, even Quinn if they have him higher than Miller, which is a distinct possibility.
If the first two are Newton – Gabbert … That COULD help us, but then again, there’s still sufficient room for the top three guys to be snatched up. Cleveland could take Dareus.
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This is potential worst case
It doesn’t leave us much option for trading down a few and still getting the same player we would at #7 (Prince, Quinn). In this scenario, I have to imagine that Cleveland would take Dareus, and that leaves us with the option of trading with Dallas or Houston, who both covet Prince with PP off the board, but then Tennessee is right there to take Quinn right from under our nose. We’re then stuck with likely taking either Jones or Jordan/Watt.
by 9thevolution on Apr 27, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Prince came in as an RB
I wonder if he would even be ready this year?
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
I think he's very skilled, not sloppy much, has only some issue with his turn in man vs. speedy receivers
In Zone I think he’s a day1 starter and great player and in press I think he’s great in the NFCWest vs. larger receivers.
Draft EVERYONE!
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If this is true
if you really predicted TYson Alualu being selected by the Jags then you are as crazy as they were for selecting him…..recockulous
Because
he was late first round talent early second round
I looked into a few months ago
Just because I was curious about how such a “surprise” worked out. Sounds like he played a lot and wasn’t terrible but needs to improve. Jags certainly can get the last laugh.
by asmithisaverage on Apr 27, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
He played great, it was definitely not anything near terrible. Alualu will be a starter for years to come, and probably a pro bowler.
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According to who, exactly? We can speculate all we want, but we don't set the board.
Teams do. A lot of teams liked Alualu
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I predict the Panthers getting Cam Newton although I highly disagree with it
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 8:27 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Huh? Alualu is a beast and a half.
If they wanted him that badly and he worked out in line with that positioning, there’s nothing crazy about it. If one team was willing to take him that high, you can bet that at least one of the other thirty-one would have considered it as well. The only team that reaches for players that other teams wouldn’t is Oakland.
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Going to be riveted for the first 7 picks
So many scenarios it’s going to be fascinating. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the 49ers move up to get PP.
Peter King has been mentioning a rumor that Houston will move up to take PP at 7
What would they have to offer the 49ers to make that happen? (Besides the #11 pick)
I think it would have to be their 2nd round pick.
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Schaub for Peterson. That’s the only thing in my opinion
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 9:20 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No thanks!
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Ok, who is their overrated backup? People think we should trade for Kolb. I would like to point out that our only quarterback is David Carr.
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 9:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Carr isn't that bad.
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Recently he has been horrible. He was leap-frogged by a third stringer that was new to the team
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 9:36 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't hate on Carr
He didn’t get to practice with the team thats why.
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Troy Smith didn’t get to practice. Carr did. Remember all the chuckling the beat writers did when Carr would take practice snaps? Carr even disappointed at his press conference
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 9:39 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Sigh thats true
I’m trying to prepare myself in case Carr starts and you guys aren’t helping.
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I literally have no considered a scenario where David Carr starts.
…. … … I just threw up.
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16-0 if you take the inverse of the record
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Carr shouldn't even be on the team come the season opener
seriously people
by asmithisaverage on Apr 27, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I would keep him through camp to see if he has gotten any better. But his performance last year is harrowing. A situation in which he has to start is not a good one.
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 10:09 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
i agree
when he was with the texans he had a hell of good receiver one of the few best in the league and he had no trouble with that the only thing that makes look bad is that he palys a bit like smith he makes and throws the ball under presure in th offseason will see if he was worth a first overall pick
Doesn’t matter, no trading players anyways
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 9:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Schaub will break in half here.
He literally will get six snaps before he’s done.
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Point taken. Maybe getting stout Cam Newton will not be so bad
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 9:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm going to punch you in the face.
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Cam would take the punch in the face, still stay upright, find the open receiver, throw the game winning touchdown then rob the opponent’s laptops.
Locker looks like he could take some punishment though
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 9:42 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ve got more than a few years of all kinds of fight training … Cam wouldn’t take the punch.
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Except he can't really hit open receivers.
He’d take the punch in the face, look up, look back down, try to run, and then get destroyed by a couple linebackers who are faster than him.
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faster and bigger
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Locker looks?
he does take punishment. Probably the only QB that would get more time in the pros than he did in college.
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no
no bad. /sprays water in mcwagner face
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it works better if you smack him with a rolled up newspaper.
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rub his nose in it
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It would have to be their 2012 first round pick
And possible more like a 3rd round. All which would be used to maneuver for Andrew Luck. =P
by asmithisaverage on Apr 27, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Why on earth would the Niners trade down if Peterson is there
He’s the best prospect in the draft and he’s at the biggest need on the team.
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He might not be the best prospect to them.
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That would suck.
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Not really PP will not be a CB.
He is just too big.
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erm
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Show me a bigger CB?
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height or weight?
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A combination of the two,
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Nnamdi is 6'2, 210
Peterson is 6’ 1/2", 219.
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Go look at pictures of the both of them. Peterson makes him look like a school child.
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Peterson

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So let me get this straight.
You AREN’T in favor of the guy who is stronger and faster and one of the best cornerback prospects in, like, a decade.
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Amukamara is one of the best prospects as well. He’s not anti-Peterson, I don’t think. It really shouldn’t be shocking to you that somebody likes another player more. Like I said, at least eight teams will have Amukamara rated higher than Peterson.
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by James Brady on Apr 27, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but he loves Kellen Moore, shouldn't we discount what he says by like 50%?
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I'm ok with both
I understand that some people have Prince higher than Peterson. Niners might be one of them and I’m ok with that.
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49ers could like Amukamara more.
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That would suck.
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I disagree. Prince will be better than Peterson.
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You are wrong sir and I scoff in your direction.
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Well, I’ve made my point several times on here and will do so again tomorrow. Let’s see if you show up to argue!
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I should be here. I have a soccer game at 9pm though.
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better as a CB not as a S.
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No way, I dont see it
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I have an entirely different alternative
If none of the top 3 players we want are there, then instead of taking a player at 7 that may or may not work out, how about Harbuagh just going ahead and picking his QBOTF even if it’s 15-20 spots too soon: Locker, Kaeperneck, probably tops on their board.
Before you think I’m crazy, here me out: So now we don’t have to mess around with a late first round trade and maybe give up too much, or next year’s first, to get a QB that may not even be one of those two. Tenn, Minn, Wash, all looking for QBOTFs too.
Now here comes round two and we have our pick and can go for BPA. Hopefully we get a pass rusher or a CB we really like. And we still have 10 picks left.
What that does is in essence was give us a QBOTF and then instead of picking one a 2, we have much more control of our board.
Noe if Peterson or Miller are there, okay, I’m down with that. And then we have to find a trade up to get the QBOTF that Harbaugh wants. But it’s not a bad scenario to get the QB pick out of the way where all of the choices Harbaugh might have at the top of his bpard for QB are still there. (I am assuming he’s not going to pick Gabbert and Newton at 7 even if they are there.) But Locker or Kaeperneck — if one of them are Harbuagh’s top choice by far for QBOTF — then we should just go ahead and snag them at 7.
Of course, we could try to play games and trade down to get one of them. I’m fine with that as well. But assuming there are no trades that make sense, just go ahead and pick the one we want and let’s move on to round two in a less deparate position.
NOW you can call me crazy. But I think it’s a pretty good although admittedly radical idea.
i'd be ok with that
I’m a huge Locker fan. I think he’ll be the best QB from this draft. Also, I’d rather go Aldon smith, Prince, or Jimmy smith than quinn. I really do not like quinn. Too many risks.
+1 for Locker
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Hey that was my argument early on … I mean, months ago. It’s not that I changed my tune, it’s just so hard to gauge whether or not he’d do it. I think the value of your QBOTF is immeasurable, and I don’t think you can reach if you think you truly found your guy.
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This
if you think a QB is the QBOTF it isn’t a reach even if you take him first overall.
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Wasn't a reach
he was thought to be the QBOTF
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JaMarcus had bust factor, but he was not at all a reach.
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I'm always really wary of guys who rocket up the draft board during the offseason.
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Amukamara was the consensus number one corner until just about the end of the NCAA season. Peterson’s rise has been meteoric as well. Too often people forget that Amukamara was the number one guy, and did not fall to number two, so much as he was passed up by a Peterson hype train.
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What?
Amukamara was the consensus number one corner until just about the end of the NCAA season. Peterson’s rise has been meteoric as well.
That is just flat out wrong. I saw Patrick Peterson listed as a top 5 prospect in multiple mocks before the season even started, and he was easily the consensus #1 Corner.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Apr 27, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Amukamara was the guy coming into this past season. That’s what I’d heard from everyone. Peterson wasn’t offseason hype, he was during-the-season hype, which is totally justified. There is no way he was rated higher by the majority before the season began.
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by James Brady on Apr 27, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
So once they actually played football, guys decided Peterson was better
interesting.
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Yes, that is exactly what I said.
What are you trying to imply here? I love Peterson. I would be ecstatic if we drafted him. Have I implied otherwise?
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by James Brady on Apr 27, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude, I'm pretty sure you are remembering wrong.
I looked up 2011 draft prospects well before the season started and Peterson was the #1 rated corner almost everywhere.
I remember watching LSU’s first game just to get a look at this cornerback everyone was talking about. (And that game wasn’t against Nebraska, before someone asks…)
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Apr 27, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I literally could not disagree with this more.
And it can be left at that. I heard differently. Of course some folks would have Peterson higher. In my opinion, the majority I was exposed to had Amukamara a clear notch above.
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by James Brady on Apr 27, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, we must have been looking at entirley different websites.
I saw a whole lot of “Peterson is amazing, and Amukamara is pretty good too.”
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Apr 27, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I saw a lot of “Amukamara is the guy, Peterson could break out.”
Peterson broke out.
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by James Brady on Apr 27, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Which I'm saying is entirely different than, say, Gabbert
who somehow became the #1 qb prospect because Luck stayed in school, Locker had a down year, etc
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At the risk of beating a dead horse here...
This is an archived version of Walter’s 2011 mock from all the way back in September 2009.
http://replay.web.archive.org/20100102020352/http://walterfootball.com/draft2011.php
Patrick Peterson was going 4th overall. Prince Amukamara wasn’t listed in the top 16.
I realize that was before the 2009 season was played, but it lines up with what I remember from summer 2010.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Apr 27, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I totally understand where you’re coming from. It’s a close race, but I would like to note that Walter Football has fallen off in the past couple years. He falls in love with a player, and makes picks because they’re funny. I no longer respect their opinion regarding player evaluation.
That being said, again, it’s close, but I’m far from being “flat-out wrong.” It happened a lot in this draft. Peterson-Amukamara. Fairley-Dareus. Quinn-Miller. Most of them justified, including Peterson. My point remains that teams will have Amukamara rated higher, and there’s plenty of reason for that.
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by James Brady on Apr 27, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I suppose we just have to agree to disagree.
I remember almost everyone rating Peterson ahead of Amukamara last summer.
I would like to keep backing up my point, but the way back machine doesn’t seem to have bothered archiving any draft sites since 2009.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Apr 27, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s largely irrelevant to my argument about Amukamara > Peterson regardless!
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by James Brady on Apr 27, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I suppose so.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Apr 27, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
It definitely is.
Amukamara will be a better corner for many reasons.
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by James Brady on Apr 27, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree with that as well.
But I SO don’t have the energy to have that argument again. I’m just gonna wait and see.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Apr 27, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha, I’m not having the argument anyway. I think the difference is honestly negligible, I just think that Amukamara doesn’t get the credit he deserves. Also, I have a post on it tomorrow, so arguing it here would be pointless.
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by James Brady on Apr 27, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
From what I hear, Prince will struggle with smaller quicker receivers, isn’t that an Achilles heel, in the dbfield?
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Kaepernick is the lone quarterback in Division I history to pass for over 10,000 career yards and also rush for 4,000 yards.
Davon House and Prince Amukamara
House has the athletic ability to be a #1 but with Prince there he could be a #2.
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He also struggled with Justin Blackmon
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I've posted it before
But Prince is overrated. He had a 55% success rate on passes thrown his way….IN COLLEGE and like 45% + not counting the Blackmon game. That’s ridiculous.
You mean those two passes?
One was a flea flicker and one he slipped
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Bad environment for a guy lacking in drive and responsibility. If he went to a team with discipline he may still be in the league
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 9:48 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the huge value of the 7th pick is unique opportunity to trade down to say, 10 or 11
and then do exactly what you mention above. One of our top 2 QB’s will be available and we’ll net a 3rd and move up in the 2nd, potentially.
Draft EVERYONE!
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Since79, your argument is a good one, but I think that there is a good reason NOT to draft a QB in the first round ...
I strongly believe that Harbaugh (Baalke) intends to draft his franchise QB (i.e., QBOTF) in the first round of the 2012 draft … from among prospects in a very strong QB class. Further, I believe that what he will do this year is draft a QB prospect that he can groom to be the long-term backup QB … ala Steve Bono. Obviously I also think that Alex Smith will be the starter this year and, depending upon who the QBOTF is and how prepared he might be to start right away, possibly one more year.
IF you buy this scenario (and you’re obviously free not to), it makes no sense to draft a QB in the first round in two consecutive drafts. Further, IMO there are NO QB prospects this year that really have first round talent; if Blaine Gabbert is the best talent available, it’s obviously not a strong QB class … next year’s class will be great. Thus, my logic would say draft to build the rest of the team this year (plus a backup QB) and go for the gold next year. Like him or not, Alex Smith is not so bad that we can’t live with him another year; in fact, with decent coaching for the first time in his professional career, he may actually improve.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Apr 27, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm good with this
I’d rather reach for Locker, Kaep, or Mallett then be left struggling to overpay to get back into the bottom of the first.
What must happen for PP to fall?
I think that one of two things must happen for PP to fall to us. The first is have Gabbert fall to 5 and the Cards draft him. I’ve heard a lot of people talking about the cards either taking PP or trading the pick to someone who wants him if Gabbert isn’t there. Then hopefully the browns go with fairley or Jones. I would be open to giving up a third rounder at that point to move up a spot if that’s what it took.
The other thing that could allow PP to fall is a couple of trades for specific players that teams are worried about disappearing. Likely PP would be one of these, but there is also a chance that a team really likes fairley or julio jones and decides to move up for them.
Anybody else see any possibilities that would let PP fall to us? Locker going ahead of us maybe? Raiders trading up and drafting Mallett? It really sucks to see Bowers and Fairley drop out of top five contention the last few weeks. Definitely hurts our chances.
The biggest thing to me would be Buffalo not taking Von Miller. If that happens, and the Bills take a lineman or Quinn (who they could easily have rated higher than Miller), then the Cardinals don’t take Peterson. Cardinals also could take Quinn.
Problem is, Browns could also take Peterson.
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They wouldn’t hesitate. They’ve said they wouldn’t (which is hard to believe, coming from the team), but people I trust have also said they wouldn’t. Team insiders consider it a very real possibility as well. The Browns will go 100% BPA
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Their GM said this week
That given that they are in nickel at least 60% of the time they want to have 3 good CB’s on the roster, and I know they are disappointed in Eric Wright.
It is a very good possibility they want to be able to compete with Pittsburgh, and to do that they have to be able to cover the 4 wide set that Roethlisberger tears them apart in.
Newton and Gabbert both have to go in the Top 6
Preferably Newton 1 and Gabbert 5
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Worst case scenario if they stay at the pick: Blaine Gabbert. I don’t think he’s necessarily destined for failure, but I also don’t think he deserves to be picked before the mid first… 16-20 is where I would feel comfortable taking Gabbert, not 7.
Worst case scenario in general: The pick comes up and Peterson, Miller, Green, and Dareus are off the board. They don’t love Gabbert and want to trade down with a team that does. Then by the time their new pick rolls around, Quinn and Amukamara are gone, too. At that point, the pick you’d be hoping for would be Nick Fairley or Cameron Jordan
Best case scenario: Ok, this really is the dream scenario, and is not at all likely… Von Miller. But if I can’t have Miller, I’m willing to settle for Peterson. Hell, I’ll settle for any one of the four blue chippers, preferring them in this order: Miller, Peterson, Dareus, Green.
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by Smoke on the Water on Apr 27, 2011 10:03 AM PDT reply actions
Draft possibilities
Yah they 7th spot leaves too much up in the air. I hate to kick a dead mule but really, if the 49ers just lost the last game of the season last year instead of feeling the need to give Alex Smith warm up time for next year, we wouldn’t be having this problem. With that said, Im perfectly content trading down and grabbing Prince Amukamara. Would I prefer Von Miller or Patrick Peterson yah, but if they felt if was that pressing of a concern they should have considered their options of how important that 16th game was last year. I am partial to a CB just because you can get a solid DE as a pass rusher. But it doesn’t necessarily address their issue at CB. Experienced and smart QBs will just do 5 yarder quick slants to beat blitzes and pressure whereas a solid cover corner will stop those short passes. Maybe a feel will get a way but also good cover corners can pick them off, so it becomes more of a gamble to throw at them.
Yup. I agree 100%
but be careful, if you say you didn’t really care about winning a meaningless game you’ll get yelled at.
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Eh ... you want to win every time you're out there.
That’s just how it is. Sorry if that’s yelling at you!
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by James Brady on Apr 27, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I stopped having the "player" mentality awhile ago
I think more long term.
One loss last season after the team was already eliminated from the playoffs (and, thus, the game really didn’t matter) would make a HUGE difference in the ability of the team to get better going forward.
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You don’t think losing those first few games didn’t help our draft position?
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 10:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Let's go 0-16!
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by James Brady on Apr 27, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
what's the tie breaker if another team goes 0-16?
Strength of schedule or who was more obvious in tanking?
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 10:40 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No tie breaker needed.
They merge both rosters and see if they can squeeze out 3 wins.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Apr 27, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
my guess would be strength of schedule
and a laugh in the face to the person who picked first.
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RE
Yah the fans will say that. Who cares? The point was to put our team in a position to do better this year. How does winning a game that quite literally means nothing, help us? Short of giving a few players and, apparently some fans, the message when it comes to pathetic teams like the Cardinals we aren’t AS bad. It just stings me because we could be draft 4th or 5th right now. But that one game cost us, just because someone felt we needed to make a point. A stupid point.
Also like to add that we can always take a DE/DT later. Like I said im not a scout but his track record is pretty good, read the Razzano article. I say take Jurrell Casey in a later on.
How do you outdo Arizona from tanking? Run backwards? Fumble before scoring? If both teams gain from tanking why even play the game? Its no reward for fans that stick with their team to pay full price to see football follies. If I saw a team tank on purpose I would lose respect and just show up again when they build their super team built on a few years of intended tanking.
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 10:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Its one game that doesn’t MATTER! Let me make it clear im talking about game 16 or week 17 that was against Arizona after the fact we were already elminated from the playoffs. That game did nothing. Absolutely nothing. Didn’t help with the playoffs. Didn’t get us a better draft position. Hell it didn’t even give a young QB reps in a game. That at least I could understand, It did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Now we are here waiting to find out if we are lucky enough to get Miller or Peterson. When it could have been, we have one of them for sure. Thats a considerable difference. Yah theres a possibility any one or all of those players bust out. But if you are trying to argue that not having Peterson or Miller isn’t going to break our team then half the fans, everyone in the 49ers organization and any rational minded general manager is going to disagree with you.
It might not be evident now, but week 7 or week 8 (assuming we have a season) when we are getting jacked by WRs on every type of passing play imaginable you will be missing Patrick Peterson. I can say this with first hand knowledge, I paid to watch the 49ers Chargers game in San Diego so I saw Vincent Jackson light us up. And as a fan paying to watch a game, I can safely say that Arizona game did nothing to help us. Singletary is gone, Alex Smith might be gone, 1/4 of the players from last year might be gone.
No team is going to tank. No team will ever lose a game on purpose. Jim Tomsula and others were fighting for their jobs, and I’m happy they won, if it meant certain contributors got to keep their jobs. The 49ers addressed that game exactly how they should have: play some young guys and see what they can do.
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by James Brady on Apr 27, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
They were going to clean house anyway. The incoming coach doesn’t keep coordinators or assistants based on if they beat Arizona on a meaningless game They keep them based on their experience, coaching philosophies, and how well it meshes with what the new coach is trying to accomplish.
The only positive I can even remotely see is playing the young guys in that game. Even so injury has already given those players a chance to play earlier. And we can probably agree to disagree on that point. But in the long run I think it hurt us more than helping us, at least when it comes to the draft.
Going to clean house anyway? They kept the guy I referenced. He showed a lot of loyalty and poise, and earned the respect of Jed.
It doesn’t really matter, because a team will never, ever tank a game. The fans could think it’s the right thing to do, but it will never happen. Simple as that. Moot point.
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by James Brady on Apr 27, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
How do you explain Clements “fumbling” the game winning pick? He knew this wasn’t our year.
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 11:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He later referred to it as "having a Dre moment".
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Apr 27, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Roddy White has made a career in abusing SF corners. Even when he’s on defense
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 11:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll bet Roddy White has nightmares
where the 49ers move to the AFC and he only gets to play them once every four years.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Apr 27, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
If held onto that ball we would've been in the playoffs
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Hmmm ...!!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 27, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
And my point is that what was going to stop Arizona from tanking? What did they have to gain from winning? How would you have handled that game?
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 10:55 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Arizona had the ( suck ) button on high , it be hard to out ( Suck ) them ...!!
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I imagine he’d have started David Carr.
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by James Brady on Apr 27, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes , that does take the suck to a whole new level ...!!
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Nothing stops them from tanking. Nothing either. I would have put in David Carr the one guy is going to be on the roster for this year. I would have put in all the 2nd or 3rd strings. If you are going to give experience playing a meaningless game give it to the people that it matters to. Also you would have to factor in potential injury to players. Willis was already out due to an injury. What happens if Vernon Davis tears an ACL? Would that be worth playing Arizona?
I agree it would be hard to top Arizona at sucking. But at least it would have helped.
Carr sucks I get that but he is on the roster. Smith isn’t. At least right now. Honestly I don’t think Carr is great, but at the same time. The guy only had one quarter to try something. He never really got a fair shake to try and win games. No one will really know except Singletary because he was the one evaluating them at the time. But we have seen how good he has been at evaluating QBs much less coaching them.
No it wouldn’t. I agree, sit the stars. See who is a gamer and do your best with them. I noticed you did not mention tanking the game. So basically we give low tier players a chance to see how they play and protect our future. So we don’t try to win, but we don’t try to lose either. I think we are on the same page there.
But losing to gain draft position we will have to agree on differing opinions
by mcwagner on Apr 27, 2011 11:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
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This just inn ... Yay Alex sign the man ...!!
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If PP is off the board...that would indicate that Gabbert is still on...
The Redskins have made it clear that they would move up to get Gabbert and the 49ers should go after Prince……If we traded back to the 10 spot, we should still get Prince and a 3rd round pick from Washington.
Interesting to see both Barrows and Maiocco tweeting links to Bill Parcells’ big board. Apparently Parcells has been preparing for this draft as if he was still going to be ‘pulling the trigger’ in a draft room, and he has Amukamara ahead of Peterson. Apparently also, Baalke hearts Parcells, and is likely to be swayed by his views.
By that rationale, if Peterson has gone, which means Gabbert is still there as you say, your scenario definitely does play out – we swap with Washington, get the better cornerback anyway according to Parcells, and get an extra pick in the third round so we can pick up a running back or an OLB (assuming we spent our second round pick on a QB like KipperPicnic) while the Redskins get their face of franchise.
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by LondonNiner on Apr 27, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the best case scenario is trading back and still getting dareous or peterson.
worst case is trading up to get a bust(_______________), you can fill in who you think will be a bust.
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Alex Smith.
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by LondonNiner on Apr 27, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Jake Locker
we are talking about HOF busts right?
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Worst case if Gabbert and Cam are still there...
Then Miller, Peterson and Quinn will most likely be gone. I don’t get the warm and fuzzy feeling that Harbaugh is enamored with Gabbert ala Bill Walsh’s book “The Winning Edge”. I’m not sure what the love affair for Gabbert is all about either. Throw me into the camp that thinks that Gabbert’s college #’s in a spread offense should be better if he is “that good”.
Best case scenario is if Von Miller is still there. He’s a plug in fit as a 3-4 OLB.
According to every mock I’ve seen, poor old Von needs to prepare himself for winters in upstate New York. But then the Parcells article I mentioned above makes you wonder if all the mocks mean anything at all, given they all say the same thing and the actual professionals often disagree.
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Good point...
I have noticed that the majority of mock drafts do not take the team’s philosophies into consideration. Many writers tend to just drop a name into the draft slot only because it is a position of need. All other variables are thrown out.
by Thrashard340 on Apr 27, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Worst Case scenario is...
if this lockout keeps happening and we don’t get to have a NFL season.
And the world runs out of bacon.
That is the worst case scenario.
Alternative
There’s always the Soy Candian Football League

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