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Burn After Reading--Ryan Mallet as 49ers Savior?
Tre9er's note: Solid piece here. Grant and I (as well as Drawnitsud) tossed around some of the degrees of separation between Mallett and Harbaugh, via Michigan, this weekend. Let's hear it, folks!
The title alone will probably earn me a bunch of flames, but I'm going to try this out: I'm going to develop a conspiracy theory that will explain why it would make sense if the 49ers would draft Ryan Mallett. This is strictly hypothetical, and you should know that I also have my doubts about Mallett. He looks like he has concrete boots on his feet, he makes questionable decisions, and he has poor footwork and thus relies on his arm strength to fit the ball into tight windows...and that's all without mentioning the possible drug issues that cloud all discussions of Mallett's NFL future. I will grant you that all of that is tremendously worrisome. In fact, I hate this QB draft class and am not sold on any of the QBs (except maybe Ponder if his decision-making improves and if his arm is actually healthy--but that's another story). Drew K's take on Mallett is also worth a read, so check that out.
I do hope, however, to draw a few connections and to build something of a case for, specifically, *Harbaugh* taking on Ryan Mallett as his Quarterback Of The Future for your San Francisco 49ers.
No, no, no, Jim HARBAUGH is the savior!
Nearly all of 49erland is still floating along in the afterglow of the 49ers signing Jim Harbaugh to a 5 year, $25 million contract. But as that haze is clearing, the hard-core fans that post here on Niners Nation are concerned with the draft, and perhaps more than anything else, who will quarterback the 49ers in 2011 and beyond.
There’s a general consensus that the 49ers have struggled over the past number of seasons because of the sub-standard (that adjective might actually be generous) quarterback play the team has received from Alex Smith, Troy Smith, David Carr, Shaun Hill, and the immortal JustTurnOvers, and Harbaugh’s arrival has been met with general optimism for two reasons:
1) Harbaugh is as close to a Quarterback guru as you can get, and 2) Harbaugh has stated that he will install the West Coast Offense as head coach of the 49ers.
Harbaugh has established his QB guru cred by mentoring two good but not great prospects (Josh Johnson and Andrew Luck) not only into draftability, but into draftability well beyond expectations; Johnson went in the 4th round to Tampa Bay and Andrew Luck was the presumptive #1 pick in the 2011 draft before he decided to return to Stanford.
Harbaugh is seen by many to possess the know-how necessary to install the WCO because of his friendship with Bill Walsh and his experience during his 15-year NFL career. I, however, think that this is a convenient angle that the media has pushed really hard--which actually suits Harbaugh just fine, because it helps Harbaugh's reputation with the fans, and gives him credibility and claim to a coaching lineage that is pretty much the gold standard in the NFL. But it's overdrawn. Harbaugh actually only knew Walsh for nine months--and Walsh's last nine months at that. As amazing as Walsh was, there was only so much he could impart to Harbaugh during that brief time.
What will Harbaugh's Offensive System look like?
So who are Harbaugh's other influences? Bo Schembechler and Lindy Infante. For a taste of Schembechler's offense, check this video from the 1986 Fiesta Bowl, and check out who's quarterbacking the team. After watching that video, watch this one of the 2010 Stanford offense. Do you see some similarities? Really, this is a point that RLott#42 has been making for months in the forums and with his sig: Harbaugh runs a version of Bo's offense from his days at Michigan and his experience in the pros. Say what you will about Bobby Petrino, his offense does bear at least a passing resemblance to an NFL offense: Mallett does run play action, does do some boot action, does some "sprint" outs (using the term sprint loosely) -- he has experience with all of that.
So what makes a WCO, and how does Schembechler's offense differ? Here's Len Pasquarelli's account of the many variants of Walsh's offense. What you notice in the sidebar by someone that actually played in that offense (some guy named Steve Young) is "any play or set of plays that tie the quarterback's feet to the receiver's route so there is a sense of timing." This is something that Harbaugh has stated that among his criteria:
Athletic instincts, accuracy, timing, decision making, leadership, intelligence
While people familiar with the 49ers version of the WCO immediately think of either Joe Montana or Steve Young when they think of a WCO quarterback, I think the case can be made that Ryan Mallett could also be made to fit Jim Harbaugh's version of the WCO.
When Harbaugh described the kind of offense he wanted to install, he did not say "I want a dink and dunk offense that relies on short accurate passes to keep possession and move the ball down the field." He did say this:
I think the West Coast offense is a very broad system," Harbaugh said. "It has the ability to encompass the talents of a lot different kinds of athletes.
In other words, he expects to tailor his offense to the talents of the players he inherits. Given this, Barrows' comment is informative:
While Harbaugh's Stanford offenses often put up big numbers and gaudy scores, they relied as much on a punishing ground game as they did on a sophisticated passing attack. Harbaugh also inherits a roster that has been built more for brute strength than quickness, although new general manager Trent Baalke began adding more speed this past season.
Given Harbaugh's claim to adapt the offense to the players that the team finds, it seems to follow that Harbaugh's 49er offense will tend to exhibit the same power-run style that his Stanford offense ran. And consider this: the 2010 49ers seldom ran the sweep, the play that was the staple run play in Walsh's WCO...but they did run a lot of the play that was the standard in Schembechler's offense--the power O. Furthermore, the initial Walsh concept was for a standard pro-set offense, with two backs split, 1 tight end and two wide receivers. Harbaugh ran more three tight end sets than nearly any coach in college football in 2010...and given that the 49ers have already or are working out multiple tight ends for the upcoming draft, it would seem likely that Harbaugh's 49er offense will look more run-heavy -- Schembechler-esque, one might say -- in 2011.
Ryan Mallett? Really?
My interest in Mallett is keyed by the following connection. Mallett is a pro-style Quarterback that chose Michigan out of high school because Lloyd Carr ran Bo Schembechler's offense at Michigan. Jim Harbaugh ran Schembechler's offense and had success as an NFL quarterback. Jim Harbaugh will run a Schembechler-esque offense in the NFL. So why not draft the quarterback that is best able to run a Schembechler offense?
As to Mallett's background, this article by David Hyde goes into more detail than I could ever hope to give about Mallett's background, so I'll just refer you to it. Long story short, Hyde poked around as much as he could and he couldn't find anything really damning about Mallett. His former coaches and teammates consistently stuck up for him...and there was this little nugget:
Months ago, before Cam Newton was generally considered as premium a prospect as he is today, you heard us make a defense of Cam Newton, proposing that his experience at Blinn College and Auburn helped him to turn over a new leaf and forget his misdeeds in Gainesville. I see no reason to extend that olive branch to Newton, and then withhold it from Ryan Mallett based on far less substantial evidence of wrongdoing.
I've become convinced that people don't like Ryan Mallett because he didn't openly shoot down the drug rumors in front of all the cameras. This seems to me to be an instance where the journalists covering the event felt slighted that he wouldn't give them the straight goods. To my mind, the teams are the ones that have a legitimate claim to that information, and those are the people to whom he will give it. That doesn't bother me that much. Some people will apologize for Cam Newton because they already think he's an NFL level athlete and will grow into being a quarterback. The people that don't apologize for Mallett probably don't do so because they don't think his college success will translate at the NFL level because of his lack of athleticism.
The counter-argument to the "Mallett's a terrible athlete" argument is that Mallett's quarterback specific skills make him uniquely capable of making the transition to the pros. There is no other quarterback that throws the ball as well as Ryan Mallett in this draft. That is a more or less undeniable fact. Throwing the football is not optional for a quarterback, and may be as unteachable as running a 4.4 40 yard dash. Here is some youtube-age that illustrates this point about Mallett's unique skills:
YOUTUBE 1: Mallett throwing the deep ball.
What you notice about this video is that Mallett's arm strength allows him to take advantage of the fact that the windows down the field are simply larger than those within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. He consistently puts the ball on the right shoulder down the field. Dave Hyde looked at 5 games of film, and says the following: "of the 21 pass attempts I classified...as being a deep vertical attempt, only 4 of the 21 passes fell uncatchable." That kind of downfield accuracy completely changes games and defensive strategies, and opens up huge lanes for running backs...like Frank Gore, for example.
YOUTUBE 2: Mallett throwing the ball from the pocket.
What you notice here is how quickly Mallett gets rid of the ball. Mallett doesn't have the quickest release, but in Hyde's research found the following:
From the feet up, Ryan Mallett’s full motion was the second-quickest of the group at about 42.9 milliseconds. The very fastest was T.J. Yates at 36.7 milliseconds. The slowest was Colin Kaepernick at 56.4 milliseconds. The ordering changes when you measure the time it takes for pure arm motion, cued off the dropping of the throwing elbow. The quickest and slowest remain T.J. Yates (33.8 milliseconds) and Colin Kaepernick (46.0 milliseconds), however Ryan Mallett’s arm motion sinks into the very middle place in the seven-player sample at 36.3 milliseconds.
Mallett's recognition skills and knowledge of when a receiver will come open will undoubtedly help him at the next level. People say that Dan Marino couldn't move around, but his quick release helped him keep his sack% down to 3.1 (i.e. 3 sacks per 100 pass attempts) for his career.
YOUTUBE 3: Mallett throwing the ball on the run or against heavy pressure.
The argument that Mallett's lack of athleticism will make him unsuccessful at the NFL level often overlooks the fact that whenever you send an extra blitzer, the passing windows in the secondary get bigger. And Mallett can throw the ball all over the field with impressive accuracy. Hyde makes a very astute observation about when Mallett gets himself into trouble here:
when he is facing one source of pressure, he can anticipate and/or feel that rusher, and execute a plan to deal with him. Where he gets into trouble is when he anticipates pressure from a certain direction and begins to execute a plan to deal with it, but then is surprised by a bad development in another area of the blocking.
Hyde also notes that the recent rule changes that were made after the Carson Palmer and Tom Brady knee injuries will protect the more lead-footed quarterbacks, and Mallett stands to benefit more from those rule changes than any potential draftee.
Finally, if we're so confident that Harbaugh is an offensive genius and a quarterback guru, why wouldn't we trust him with Ryan Mallett? Harbaugh has said that he would tailor his offense to the athletes that are on the roster. What if Ryan Mallett were on the roster?
I'll grant that none of this will allay your fears about his character and leadership. In fact, I'm a little scared that I might be right about this. Because if Harbaugh's line that "a good NFL quarterback can go start on the soccer team or catch fly balls, at least be the sixth man on the basketball team" is a an elaborate ruse, then I might've just hindered the future of my favorite team by writing this! Wait, what?
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Hrmmm
My interest in Mallett is keyed by the following connection. Mallett is a pro-style Quarterback that chose Michigan out of high school because Lloyd Carr ran Bo Schembechler’s offense at Michigan. Jim Harbaugh ran Schembechler’s offense and had success as an NFL quarterback. Jim Harbaugh will run a Schembechler-esque offense in the NFL. So why not draft the quarterback that is best able to run a Schembechler offense?
Because Mallet never got to run a Schembechler offense? He got to transfer to Arkansas and run the Petrino offense.
Schembechler tutored Carr, who coached Mallett at Michigan while he was there
Draft EVERYONE!
Tvittah
But I do admit I thought he was an understudy that didn't get to play.
I didn’t realize he played in 11 games until I looked it up.
His first year he played under Carr...
And Carr was a longtime Schembechler assistant (and ran a similar offense). Mallett only transferred to Arkansas when Michigan hired RichRod.
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by grantmp on Apr 4, 2011 6:45 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
If you look at the stats in Drew K's article..
You’ll notice that Mallett’s 1st year was 2007 at Michigan.
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by grantmp on Apr 4, 2011 6:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Well , Harbaugh as you stated won't try to jam a square peg into a round hole ...
… the one thing ( IMO ) that Harbaugh will do is , see what his personal is best at and take the strength’s of said player’s and enhance it …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Yes, so IF Mallett were drafted
I’d expect less sprint and roll-out action. And more deep balls, and perhaps even more running than with other QBs precisely because the run game sets up the vertical pass game so well.
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by grantmp on Apr 4, 2011 6:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I also see Harbaugh doing the same for Alex , that's why he want's him to resign ...!!
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you're right, but he will also coach Mallett up some more on footwork
and probably run some moving pockets where the QB doesn’t have to sprint out at top speed. He’s smart enough to make it work.
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I didn't address Mallett's footwork at all...
but I’m sure that that would be a focus for Harbaugh/Chyst. If he’s already throwing at 64% accuracy w. his bad footwork, you’d expect it to improve w. some coaching in that area.
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by grantmp on Apr 4, 2011 7:09 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yes, though I primarily meant as it pertains to rollouts/sprint outs, etc.
I know he’s not real athletic, but I’m sure it can be improved upon some
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The big question to me is...
would you rather have a top shelf athlete that’s a decent thrower or a great thrower that’s an average athlete?
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by grantmp on Apr 4, 2011 7:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I still say scheme adapts to either
one commands defenders to keep him honest, thus lanes open up…the other can throw balls into windows other QB’s can’t.
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Without question the former ... presuming that "top shelp athlete" includes "accuracy, timing, decision making, ... intelligence"
Were you around during the Jeff George era? Fantastic arm … no brain, conscience, or anything else.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Apr 4, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
QBs throw the ball. I want a great thrower period
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Apr 4, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
A valid point.
Did anybody here watch Brian Brohm at Louisville? His stats looked stellar under Petrino, but by the time he was draftable, there were major questions, which was why he slipped to the 2nd round. Does anybody know what those questions were?
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He's the backup in Buffalo.
He’ll probably be 3rd string by the fall.
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The only thing I can dig up (I didn't get to watch him)
beyond concerns that he was another overrated Petrino system QB — was injury concerns. He was hurt in 2005 and 2006 from what I read, but recovered well and had a nice season after that.
He’s currently rotting away in the QB Hell that is Buffalo.
Coaches that have systems
Designed to short circuit the process of reading coverage — like Petrino and Tedford — work great in college. They do what they are supposed to do. Dumb it down but still give a good shot at winning.
But they do a great disservice to the quarterbacks in those systems. Rodgers was lucky to fall in the draft and have time to work with a damn good NFL coaching staff.
If he started day 1 for a team at the top of the draft order, we’d be talking about the twin draft busts of Smith and Rodgers.
Don’t touch “system” quarterbacks.
That's why you gotta love BB
He doesn’t “dumb it down” so much as explain the facts of life. I remember seeing him talking to his players and talking about a situation where they were on the goal line and asked his players about it. I think one of them asked or looked at him as far as taking a penalty. He looked at them, and with authority but not really talking down to the player and said essentially “What’s the penalty? Half the distance to the goal? What’s that? Six inches?” The player just shook his head and said “Uh huh”. He (the player) got it.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 6, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
A guy with a questionable past of drug use and folding under pressure
And want to give him a large amount of money. Not at the 7th pick if he falls to the 2nd round, I am okay with the pick. He has a high risk factor that should go to the guys that been consistant and are proven (to a point no pick is risk free).
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Totally agree
I don’t want him at #7. but he could be a huge value in round 2.
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by grantmp on Apr 4, 2011 7:57 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
To not answer a question at the combine about your past to reporters?
Automatically draw flags and questions leadership to me.
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knowing what the media does to things...I'm not that surprised
besides, teams don’t care what he says on the matter to the media, they care what he says to them.
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But the Face of the Franchise
Reporters can smell blood in the water and he was exposing himself to that. As a leader of a team to a (no I am not addict to …. or I can assure you there is no problem) But saying I will only answer that with teams only. Opened the pandora’s box to not being a top 10 pick.
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guilty until proven innocent from people spreading rumors
maybe he should have hired cam’s p/r people?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 4, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder how many former college and profesional athletes are on this forum?
Im not sure what kind of “drugs” they must be referring to but, i am well aware of the fact that most kids in college sports experiment w/ “light” drugs (weed). In fact, on my team i’d say more than half the guys smoked weed…some more than others. almost 90% of us had an alcohol problem. Now if Ryan Mallett was rumored to smoke some weed, then who cares..as long as he understands that this must stop as he becomes a professional. The fact that he smoked weed and still lead his team the way he did leads me to believe that it was never a problem. My starting FS who was all conference 3 yrs and is currently a doctor right now was a major pot head. the fact that it has become such an issue leads me to believe that he definitely wont be smokin again unlike the other half of the draft that no one knows about. Now if the guy was doing anything harder than that…ok, its a real issue. i know for a FACT that a few pro bowl caliber players smoke weed from time to time.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Apr 4, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Its not about weed
More than likely Mallett was knee deep in 8 balls of coke or he was up 5 days straight on the Ice brah.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 4, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He seems like the type that'd be tweekin every weekend
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 5, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on what?
His accent? The fact that he drank underage? Unsubstantiated rumors? There has to be more than just, “he seems…”
BS.
I wish it burned when you just spouted off rumors that have no basis in fact.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
I just ignore it.
If it bugs you, it bugs me, just ignore it. Giving it food just makes it come back later.
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Spot-on here Grant.
This illustrates that there’s nothing stopping the 49ers from taking Mallett and building around him. It’s great to see what happens when we dig deeper, rather than run with the perceptions. Kudos to you man.
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Tvittah
Spot on?
Wait, is LondonNiner ghostwriting Tre’s tweets?
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Something to think about
Now I am not trying to compare possible the best QB ever to Mallett, but Brady ran a 5.2 at the combine.
best QB ever? interesting.
i dont take too much from the Qb 40 yd dash.
i think quick feet are more important than straight line speed for a QB. having some agility in the pocket is better, imo, then needing a QB jet down the line for 20 yds.
in fact the guy in your picture, #16, not fast, but had some quick feet. he also might have something to say about the Best Qb ever thing :)
I think you should watch Drew's link from another thread
Montana is a lot faster than you’re giving him credit for. The HL shows him running away from LBs and leaving them in the dust.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 4, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
ok true
but i was just saying that he wasnt know as a speed demon (to my knowledge) , but his feet were always moving and he was agile and smooth, in a sneaky way.
what did linebackers run back then?
i think linebackers are faster today
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 4, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It was a different era
Defensive players are faster than ever before, while the average QB, is not very… shall we say, fleet of foot?
Brady
I didn’t sa he was the best QB, I said possible. It would depend on who you ask.
But if given the option I would draft Joe over Brady every day of the week.
I was just saying that right now in the NFL, Brady is a top 5 QB, but couldn’t outrun a snail at the combine.
You called Brady the best ever
your point is invalid.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
called him possibly the best ever.
not quite the same thing.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Still don't believe it
He may not even be the best QB of his era.
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Lucky Manning wasn't picked in the 2000
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Doesn't mean he isn't good just means he isn't the best.
Kellen Moore is awesome
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Well rings have to do with the team rather than an individual.
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Of course.
I still think they’re pretty close to equal on any given day. Maybe Brady is a bit better at this point since he’s slightly younger.
Manning is a coach and a player
He’s like MJ
He runs the show.
Brady’s a puppet, albeit a very talented one. Still hate him!
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
I hate Mallett...
…but I have to admit, Tre9er makes a strong case that he might fit Harbaugh’s offense.
who made that case?
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Great article.
*mcwagner gives you a pat on the back despite your hatred of being touched.
by mcwagner on Apr 4, 2011 9:24 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
aaaah aaaah aaaah
HUMAN CONTACT!!!
RUN!
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Really great stuff Grant
I know this will sound really cynical, but if Harb can almost reinvent the offense for Mallett (which I feel is what he’ll need to do) and have success with it, he’d almost look like the 2nd coming of The Genius. As it stands, Harb’s WCO is still a run-oriented offense. And though I know the QB is not a RB, he still will be a considerable part of that. That is if Harb doesn’t make a lot of changes to adapt to Mallett.
That said, a friend of mine on Saturday said something pretty interesting about us drafting him. Presuming a CBA will be in place by then, Mallett could be (for lack of better wording) used for trade purposes in 2012’s draft if we conclude he’s not our QBOTF/franchise QB. I think at that point based on his pure passing ability, he’d be worth taking.
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I think it being a run-oriented offense is actually the key for Mallett being a fit at all.
If you have a between-the-tackles running back and a mauling offensive line, a QB that throws fades and deep posts as well as Mallett does becomes way more valuable because, schematically, the safeties have to make a decision on every play. If they play an eight-man box, the QB knows that he has 1-on-1 on at least one of the outside receivers. If they play a seven-man box, the QB knows that his running back has a good matchup.
Put it this way: remember the 1st half of the 2009 Atlanta game, when the Falcons put 10 men in the box because they knew that Shaun Hill wouldn’t put it up deep? That ain’t happening if your QB is Ryan Mallett.
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I hear ya
& The good RB matchup is something Gore can definitely exploit. Almost makes me wonder if Gore isn’t back in 2012 & Mallett is our QB, would Dixon be a good fit there? Don’t know. I’m thinking if Mallett’s the guy, we’d probably be looking to pick up a RB also. I think we do regardless.
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Yeah but i think they did that cuz we don't have any "go get it jump ball" types
Morgan was aight at that but not too consistent…maybe we can get Plaxico whenever he’s available
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Apr 4, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
my first choice as well, as long as it's late 1st, early 2nd round.
I don’t like him at #7—in fact, I don’t like any of the QBs at #7. But Ponder would be the guy who seems to fit Harbaugh’s stated criteria best in terms of athleticism and accuracy.
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Agreed
Injury concerns, did not see a lot of big game moments. There is alot hyped of QBs getting drafted in the late 1st and 2nd rounds. I don’t see it. There is a lot of smoke screen and Colt McCoy is a prime example of how some of these guys will fall into the late rounds. This is the game teams are playing in order to get there guy and more picks. I am sooooooo glad that weekend will be all mines.
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I agree.
I think McCoy actually would fit in the middle between the two tiers of QBs in this draft.
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McCoy was more pro ready than anybody in this class
more accurate than anybody in this class… and was still drafted in the 3rd. Guys like Ponder, (who is a much lesser version of McCoy), shouldn’t even be taken in the 6th or 7th. UDFA
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 4, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
i agree
no QB in this draft deserves to be a top 10 pick, but need will trump talent in this draft i think, especially at QB. we should definitely go D for our first pick, but i would be happy trading up into the late 1st/early 2nd to take Ponder.
Is not an NFL caliber QB
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 4, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
is an overated 3rd rounder at best?
totally agree.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
We actually agree on something?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 6, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Good column
I’m getting the feeling that too much is being read into the offense that Harbaugh ran at Stanford. I seriously doubt he’s going to try to run a Power O based offense against NFL defenses..
The key strength of Harbaugh’s approach is that, like Walsh, he adjusts his game plan substantially to suit the players’ strengths. At Stanford, it meant adjusting the offense to suit the types of players he could recruit successfully. Because of the predominance of option offenses, a lot of quality tight ends were not being recruited. by major programs (I’m paraphrasing one of the Stanford TEs on this one). Hence, Harbaugh jumped in promising the r recruits that he would run a TE-heavy ofense,
Harbaugh also realized that are many more big, bruising O linemen out of high schools who meet Stanford’s academic requirements than athletic ones do. So he built a mauling offense based on power running by committee. Of course, he modified his game plan when rare talents like Gerhart and Luck were available. But he built an offensive plan for Stanford to succeed every year with the types of players they are able to recruit.
In the NFL, Harbaugh has no such recruitment limitations. I expect him to run sweeps, many more types of screens, and many more short passes into tight windows that Luck, Pritchard and Ostrander were called upon to throw.
I don’t think Mallet’s familiarity with Bo/Carr offense will be a substantial advantage for him with Harbaugh in the NFL.
by Mood_Indigo on Apr 4, 2011 10:09 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
This is a really well reasoned response
You’re right that I may be assuming too much in claiming that Harb’s NFL offense will be similar to the Stanford offense. I particularly like your point about Harbaugh noticing a kind of “market inefficiency” (lots of talented and eligible but undesired TEs) and taking advantage of it. The practicalities of recruitment (and him being at a school that has high academic standards like Stanford) probably did impact his approach.
At the same time, NFL offenses have shifted to accommodate the kinds of players they’re drafting, so it could be that that market inefficiency will work its way up to the NFL level, which is why the Niners could probably spend 6th and 7th round picks on TEs and FBs and get players that will make the roster.
Why don’t you think that his familiarity with the Bo/Carr offense will help him? Because he didn’t operate it that long? I guess part of my point is that regardless of how much of it he actually learned, there is a kind of fit there—moreso, really, than with a Walsh WCO.
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Just to clarify
I agree that Mallet is a better fit to the Bo offense than to Walsh WCO. I just feel that Harbaugh isn’t headed towards a Bo-style offense with the Niners. He may move towards some version of the WCO that’s meaningful for modern NFL (Reid, McCarthy, etc).
i also fully agree that there is always that limitation he will face based on the players Niners can draft. But that limitation is much less restrictive than what he faced at Stanford.
I think Harbaugh is installing West Coast Principles
and the play selection will come based on the personnel he finds himself with after the draft and to some lesser extent, Free Agency.
He will teach the route tree, footwork, timing, protections, nomenclature, etc. of the WCO but which plays he calls will be based on what his guys do well and what will succeed against the defense he’s facing in each situation.
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Tvittah
Agree, but who's gonna be the QB?!!
The core of the offense is known. But the guy who’s going to run the whole thing doesn’t yet exist. If there’s an extended lockout, the adaptability becomes a double edged sward.
Harbs is going to need his political capital.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
I'll be really disappointed if the lockout drags on.
The Niners have as much at stake as any team in the league, and the longer it drags on, the worse it is for the 2011 season. At this point, I’ll be surprised if there’s a full offseason and I’m not optimistic for the Niners chances of making the playoffs this season.
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wait til tomorrow
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 5, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I still find it interesting that his college offense was so power-football...
and the fact that he openly admitted that he liked the fact that the 49ers roster features players that could easily play that style. I’d expect it to be a run-heavy version of Reid’s offense (which isn’t necessarily a contradiction in terms, since the Eagles have featured the tight end and have a mauling offensive line).
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rec'd.
pretty much everyone should read that comment.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I dont believe Ryan Mallett fits Harbaughs vision of a guy who can play centerfield, kick around a soccer ball, or be a bb sixth man.
When I think of Mallett, Druckenmiller comes to mind. He just plays too slow to fit this system. Defenses will confuse him just enough that he will run out of time and not have the quicks to extend a play. Harbaugh will try to implement a system similar to Stanfords. Luck could run and throw well and that is not Mallett. I think the guy that fits the bill the best is Cam Newton. Unlike Mallett, Newton doesnt get rattled when things break down. He can extend plays when necessary with his speed and power and make good decisions. I hear this talk about Mallett and Ponder and others and it just sounds like settling rather than get the best player in the country last year. He won everything you can win in college and did it faster than anyone has before. He played in two different offenses in two years and won National championships in both. He performed in a presure cooker situation At Auburn and rallyed that team to the BCS title. Most of the players on the Auburn squad are not even considered high draft prospects. Fairly being the exception. I dont care about his time at Florida because he has done more than enough to rehab his rep the last two years. I believe that Harbaugh needs to recognize that Newton is best prospect in this draft and he has to have faith in himself as a quarterback guru. Harbaugh will have more talent to mold than he ever had previously. When I think of Newton I think a bigger Steve Young.
But what if that comment was an elaborate ruse?
That’s the whole point of this article being a “conspiracy theory”…
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Oh, so you haven't read the article, then.
/moving along.
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Newton has to be able to throw the ball before he ever gets compared to Steve Young
Newton can’t even avoid overthrowing a guy by 10 yards on an outroute yet
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 4, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
rascist? or racist?
how is o ’boy" racist?
Calloway – I Wanna Be Rich
comes to mind when cam newton is mentioned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztk9t_m1FpY
it is number three on the top 100 one hit wonders
http://www.onehitwondercentral.com/top100.cfm
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 4, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
that song was so awesome here it is again
Calloway – I Wanna Be Rich
comes to mind when cam newton is mentioned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztk9t_m1FpY
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 4, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
recidivism
a tendency to relapse into a previous condition or mode of behavior; especially : relapse into criminal behavior
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/recidivism
California Recidivism Rate At 67.5 Percent
http://www.thecrimereport.org/archive/prison-failure-ca-recidivism-rate-at-67-5-percent
that would means that Cam Newton has 70% chance of recommitting another criminal act requiring attention from law enforcement.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 4, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Dang , i go out to move a few ton's of rock to the backyard and this post blow's up ...( Nice ) ...!!
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Well , a wheelbarrell and my son's helped out alot ...!!
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Grant, some observations ...
First, very well done … well written, and interesting reading.
In the interest of simplicity and nostalgia, I think that all of us (fans and media) like to categorize Harbaugh’s offense as “west coast”. That’s simply trying to put Harbaugh in a box … in fact, I think that Harbaugh’s offense is “Harbaugh’s offense”, which is a derivative from Jack Harbaugh, John Ralston, Bo Schembechler, Lindy Infante, Bill Walsh, et. al. So, I think that we miss the boat when we try to pigeon-hole it.
“So why not draft the quarterback that is best able to run a Schembechler offense?” Maybe because Harbaugh doesn’t run a Schembechler offense.
Now to the subject at hand … Ryan Mallett. Let’s start with what Harbaugh is looking for in a QB and see how Mallett measures up. “Athletic instincts”? Mallett: Somewhere in the middle but nowhere near the top. “Accuracy”? Mallett: Comes and goes; again, somewhere in the middle … maybe better longer rather than short, which doesn’t bode well. “Timing”? Mallett: Sometimes OK, sometimes terrible. “Decision making”? Mallett: Don’t think that he really knows how … tries to use arm strength to make up for bad decisions. "Leadership’? Mallett: No. “Intelligence”? Mallett: Based on Wonderlic, better than Locker and Newton, worse than all other QB prospects. My conclusion: Doesn’t feel like a fit that’s anywhere close.
So let’s look at it from the other side … what does Ryan Mallett, the man-child, bring to the table? A cannon of an arm!! Concrete feet, poor footwork, doesn’t move well … but a cannon of an arm. Haven’t we been there before? Remember Jeff George? The only college QB “arm” that I ever saw that came anywhere close to George was Elway … except that they were totally different in every other possible way. Elway was intelligent, smart, a quick-learner, humble, etc., and George was … well, George. Great arm, but never a decent QB. Mallett seems much more like a Jeff George to me than a John Elway.
Frankly, Mallett scares the hell out of me … I see him as a bust waiting to happen … again, just like Jeff George. But, because of the arm, somebody is going to take a chance on this guy and get burned in the process. I just hope to God that it’s not the Niners; although I’m not too worried because I think that Baalke / Harbaugh are a lot smarter than that. Maybe somebody like the Bungels if they don’t get Cam in the first. Either way, good luck!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Apr 4, 2011 12:43 PM PDT reply actions
Thanks for the props. 2 quick things in response about offensive systems, and Jeff George
FIRST,
You’re totally right about the risks in trying to pigeon-hole offenses. But it is helpful to say “well, he runs a McCarthy scheme” or a “Reid WCO” or whatever. My point with giving the nod to Schembechler was to point out that this was not going to be Bill Walsh’s offense, so it makes sense to say what offense it would resemble more and to suggest that there’s a certain kind of romanticization that’s taking place with the way the media has handled Walsh’s friendship with Harbaugh.
SECOND,
Have you read the Hyde piece? I really think he makes an even more compelling case for Mallett than I can, especially with regard to Mallett’s character. His teammates and coaches have consistently defended him whereas Jeff George’s teammates were…well…more willing to liken him to another insanely talented guy that spent some time in the Bay Area—Rick Barry! (if you’ve really been a fan since 1950, you’ll appreciate the reference, no?).
I can totally understand why Mallett would scare you—he scares me for some of the same reasons. I do think that Mallett could really respond to Harbaugh’s coaching. As strange as it sounds, as polished as Mallett is as a thrower, there’s a lot he could improve in terms of his mechanics. I’m worried that the Niners will end up getting a player with 2nd tier talent out of fear of Mallett’s character concerns and that Harbaugh will invest a ton of effort in him…and that the whole time he’ll be polishing a metaphorical turd, that all the polishing will only reveal just how crappy the original product was to begin with.
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you should read the Hyde article...it's long, too long maybe, so skim it.
Also, watching Mallett more on tape, I think he does have good instincts, he just doesn’t get jumpy when people are around him, doesn’t take off like a lot of guys…he’s a pocket passer. I watched him stand tall with bodies all around him a few times and also anticipate pressure. As Hyde says though, it’s when he anticipates it, makes a plan, then something else goes wrong that he’s concerned. Harbaugh’s past QB’s have said how easy he makes it for them in terms of decision making. It’s black and white, almost.
I’m not touting Mallett here, saying that I think he’s got more football instincts than maybe we give him credit for and that based on what we’ve heard from former players, seen on tape, and believe in our hearts…Harbaugh seems like the kind who could work with the kid and get a lot out of him.
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Tvittah
Remember Dan Marino?
A cannon of an arm!! Concrete feet, poor footwork, doesn’t move well … but a cannon of an arm. Haven’t we been there before?
In addition a quick release and college rumors about drug use and character concerns.
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you almost had me
outstanding article, you really had me envisioning that it could work, BUT
i started thinking out druckenmiller compares to mallet, and how did that work out. to counter my counter, i guess you could argue that after young, the niners were not built at all for a qb like that.
The Druckenmiller comp is exactly what hurts Mallett.
The counter to that, though, is that Druckenmiller primary problem was between his ears and with his accuracy. Mallett has been relatively accurate while still throwing the ball deep down the field—a combination that’s rarely seen; usually a QB is an accurate short thrower or a decently accurate long thrower; in 2010, Mallet threw for 9.4 yards per attempt at a 64% completion rate. His yards per completion was 3rd in the SEC and 5th in the NCAAs at 15.26.
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This is one of the best and least biased write-ups I have ever read on here...Great Job Grantmp
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
Thanks. It was fun to write it—and I’m glad that people are taking the time to read it. I’m glad that people still think it’s reasonable despite the fact that I would NOT want Mallett shagging fly balls or being the 6th man on my basketball team!
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I just thought of a alternate opinion on Harb molding his offense around players he gets
While i do think he will have to tweek a few things, I would mostly predict that he’s gonna make his own “new” offense w/ bits and pieces from everywhere. Everywhere meaning Walsh, Michigan, Stanford, Green Bay, his playing days, and any other scheme that has caught his eye. In this case, it makes more sense to draft players for your style instead of adjusting you style to your players. Players come and go w/ much more frequency then the college game.
When its all said and done i think he’ll do a lil bit of both, with more drafting to his style in the coming years.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
I've jumped ship.
The Hyde piece really convinced me, especially after watching the tape more. While he’s not fleet of foot, Tom Brady isn’t either (5.23 at the 2000 Combine) and it’s worked out for him…not that Mallett is a Brady doppelganger. He’ll need to work on his footwork, since he relies too much on muscling in throws with his arm instead of stepping into them properly.
I think a trade down in the first would be best, perhaps into the 15-20 range depending on who else is on the board. I’ll probably get vilified for this, but we could probably get quite a bit in a trade for #7 if PP is still on the board. I really really doubt Mallett (or any of the quality QBs) will make it to 45. Only ~3 weeks to go!
We don't have Tom Brady's line
and Mallett won’t get a penalty called every time somebody touches him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 4, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I think having a QB that throws the ball on ye makes a huge difference for how talented an offensive line looks.
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ye=*time
A QB that throws the ball on time
Don’t know how that happened.
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Alex get's the ball out quickly because he knows he doesn't have much time.
Look at his sack stats he’s very good at getting the ball out before pressure comes. And with our line that’s a miracle.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 5, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but getting the ball out on time to non-check-down receivers is where Alex struggles.
One thing I remember about Mike Martz’s offense is his hot reads. He wouldn’t check out of a play—he would just say ‘oh, you’re going to send a blitzer from that spot? Fine, I’ll hit you with a quick pass into the area vacated by the blitzer. Be my guest! Blitz!" Greg Cosell, a longtime scout and NFL Films guy said that Mallett had the most responsibility for making these Hot Read passes of any QB in college football, and if you watch the “under pressure” video (linked above), you can see how often Mallett does this against blitzes. That attribute is what may end up offsetting Mallett’s immobility.
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Sorry...PP trumps anyone else draftable at this point.
Now, if PP, Prince, and Miller are all gone by the 7th pick….then, maybe we should look into trading down.
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Niner checklist
1. GM (check)
2. A real head coach (check)
3. A competent coaching staff(check)
4. Two QB's (one to navigate this year, and a franchise QB for the future)
5. IMPROVE THE DANG SECONDARY!!!!!
I do not want Mallett at #7 and I DO want Patrick Petersen at #7.
If we get Petersen at #7, this draft is a win (assuming the team manages to actually turn cards in for the other 11 picks—the team will surely hit on some of them).
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Well , we prolly won't see Harbaugh's true O , until he get's all his personal into place , thinkin' a few year's down the road ...!!
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I think the players he wants on offense are already on the team and fullback and maybe the fourth te will be gotten in this draft.
I think part of the reason harbaugh chose the niners is because of the players already on the team
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Apr 4, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
One more reason Mallett could fit Harbaugh's scheme
Harbaugh’s WCO features a lot of play action and Mallett’s play action is among the best (if not the best) in this QB class.
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There are a couple of plays in I think the 3rd YouTube clip that show his play-action and roll-out skills. He already sells them quite well, and Harbs knows all the tricks of that trade.
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Love the play...
where he hides the ball behind his back, totally fooling the defense, then airs it out. Awesome.
Yeah, that was the one that I was thinking of. Look, look, look...ohwaitIhavetheballrighthere!
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Its because he is so damn big.
The ball could be anywhere. I remember when the camera men just gave up and gave the big view since they got juked out so much.
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I like Mallet’s talent. He, Locker and Kaepernick are the three QBs in this draft I think can make something of themselves at the NFL level (I give Dalton a dark horse chance). Mallets talents fit a successful prototype of the likes of Marino, Fouts or Warner. Big arm, excellent accuracy, quick reads/reaction and ability to muscle throws off the back foot consistently. Like these other QBs he has mobility issues but his talents can overcome the deficiency. Of course toughness is a major factor in these types of QBs and can never really tell until live NFL bullets start hitting them (sorry unless you are Jake Locker or Jay Culter the experience of getting smashed repeatedly down and down isn’t in the college experience to be evaluated).
Of course character is a big issue and yes Mallet has serious character issues. There was link to Arkansas school forum on this website months ago of students giving their in class of accounts of Mallet. Standing up saying who wants to give Ryan Mallet a scantron for the test after entering class late, disheveled, fully expecting to be accommodated and talking about himself in third person shows the utterly unprepared but entitled ego he’s getting killed for in the draft run up. And there were other similar stories on that board.
Character is paramount issue for a QB. Being a QB in the NFL is like being a presidential candidate, you better be damn popular throughout the organization cause everyone is scrutinizing you under a microscope and wanting to know how you can help them. It’s paramount you are friends and/or respected by everyone because any little tiff is going to magnified and will be polarizing (or win two SBs; Roethlisberger exception). The difference between Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George compared to Alex Smith, Jason Campbell and Steve Deberg is character. As a QB, if you cannot get all 52 players, management and fans to buy in than teams won’t employ you. Alex hasn’t had much success but he keeps getting opportunities because people know he’s a stand-up guy and works his tail off. If he doesn’t win the starter spot there is no question he’d embrace the backup role and get everyone else to believe he can fill in when needed. Being an entitled dick like Mallet has been reported being in college will quickly end an NFL QBs career. It’s all going to boil down to his character going forward.
maybe he was just a dick to everyone not on his football team
I don’t know…the Hyde piece suggests that most anyone he’s been involved with has touted his character, defended him to the bitter end.
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Tvittah
I've read Hyde's other articles
His write up on Netwon’s character was a defense instead of a report. He didn’t spend much time at all writing about the laptop incident and what he did write so in-concise and confusing it sounded like a complete mix up with no one to blame. He spent an ostensible amount of timing claiming teammates and coaches raved about Cam’s character and every other contradictory report is overblown maybe fictitious … sounds familiar.
I’ve argued this on Hyde’s other reports. They are in part a PR piece for the Dolphins to sell their fans on players the Fins are heavily considered taking. Past year reports raved about Henne and Odrick (Fins picks). Also notice how detailed those reports are on the Dolphins scouting movements. No way a reporter has that kind of access without some trade back.
good perspective, thanks.
They say you’ll find what you’re looking for…sounds like Hyde was looking for nothing here.
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Tvittah
a teammate is always gonna tout another teammate...that goes for coaches and anybody involved with his team.
Now a guy can be a complete “dick” in every other aspect of his life. I kno plenty of guys that generally weren’t good people but i would never screw em and say it publicly during one of the most important moments of their lives simply because they were also my brothers.
In other words, i wouldn’t read too much into any teammate or coach’s opinion of him right now.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Apr 5, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I can sense that in him...ego, denitely nowhere near humble
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Apr 5, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that Harbaugh is innovative enough in that hear in a couple of years
people will be saying, " he runs a Jim Harbaugh version of the WCO.
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by Drew Kerr on Apr 4, 2011 11:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully his offense will be that kind of memorable
and not the 2007 49ers OC kind of memorable. Hostler was only memorably bad!
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I am 100% pro Mallett
And love this article. He is unfairly compared to people with whom he shares very little (Drunkenmiller? Srsly you guys? WTB accuracy? Leaf? yeah, totally the same….not) At any rate, I’ve been shouting at the top of my lungs that he does NOT have concrete shoes in the least. The clips you provide show him moving quite well in the pocket and extending busted plays. Until there is evidence to substantiate this drug business, it does not exist. Mallett is rocket man with his arm and has a great head for the game. People need top take off the bias glasses and look again.
If Peterson, Dareus, and Fairley are off the board, I want us to trade back to around 12 ish, pick up a second rounder, and grab Mallett. In a perfect world, he’d be there for our second pick. this is not a perfect world.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
+1
I waited and waited for the evidence of alleged drug use to surface. None has. At this point, I’m inclined to say it doesn’t exist.
Mallett DOES have lead boots IMO, but that isn’t really a take away from him… just that he’s not a running threat, and is not especially agile, particularly compared to his draft peers like Locker, Newton, and Kaepernick.
Trading back into the 11-15 range is perfect. #7 is too soon, and we can get an extra pick for our troubles by trading back.
A great head for the game... Til its on the line
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 6, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Alex?
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
Alex generally plays better when he has to lead a comeback
If we could get him to play every game like he did the 2nd half of the Texans, The last few drives of the Eagles game and the last drive of the Saints game he’d throw 40 TDs and 15 Ints
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 7, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll inform the D to give up 21 points.
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I'm sure the secondary already knows to do their part.
Just tell them not to fumble the game clinching interception after Alex outplays Matt Ryan again.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 8, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Alright sounds like a plan.
Although they may not agree to the last part.
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Blaine Gabbert for QB 2011!
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Alex Smith mistake all over again!
Draft EVERYONE!
Tvittah
by Tre9er on Apr 7, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
yeah, ole blaine
won some huge games last year, eh?
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
by Arkie49er on Apr 7, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Which big games did Mallett win by not choking with it on the line?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 7, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The Alabama game is the one everybody points to.
Threw a basically game-ending interception. I remember watching Mallett the whole game and marveling at his ability to throw the ball deep down the field accurately. That was the first time I’d seen him and after the game I couldn’t decide which impression to believe — the “holy crap, what an arm” or “oof, that was a terrible interception.”
Best case scenario for the top 6 picks:
1Car Dareus, 2Den Fairley, 3Buf Newton: 4Cin Jones 5Ari Gabbert 6Cle Bowers
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I'm very slow in reading and writing.
I’m very dumb.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
We are taking bets
What will be completed first?
a) manraj7’s Jake Locker feature
b) chickmagnet’s 1st Round QB History feature for the past 10 years.
c) the federal budget
d) the lockout
e) Singletary is a head coach again
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
by goatfather on Apr 7, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
you're not supposed to respond to my attempt at humor
practically.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
ok my post is almost done. Going to email it to NJ or Fooch to see if they can read it to to see if it is worthy of a fanpost.
If not I may have to do more research.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
is it really that short?
unless it’s short enough that it could be a simple comment in the draft thread, you’re probably fine.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Its currently 982 words still have to write about the pocket accuracy and his running ability.
So it should be close to 1500.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I also want to email them about my english. It isn’t very good.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
dude.
that is EASILY long enough for a FanPost. I think the system sets the FanPost minimum at 75 words…
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
hmm
he said “may have to do more research”.
i took that to mean maybe he hadn’t analyzed it thouroughly enough for a FanPost.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I meant quality not quantity. Anyone can write 214770 words but doesn't mean its good.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
That's hilarious.
I wrote this article up in 2 hours.
Best case scenario for the top 6 picks:
1Car Dareus, 2Den Fairley, 3Buf Newton: 4Cin Jones 5Ari Gabbert 6Cle Bowers
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Didn't I say I was slow
English is not my strong suit. If this was a math problem it would be done. But no you guys like the fanpost in english. With analysis. Greedy people you are.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
I'm looking forward to it, in any case.
Best case scenario for the top 6 picks:
1Car Dareus, 2Den Fairley, 3Buf Newton: 4Cin Jones 5Ari Gabbert 6Cle Bowers
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For Seattle
don’t want him anywhere near SF
A thought....
Lets take Alex Smith, and inject him into this draft class. How does he compare in your opinions? I realize this question is going to be near impossible to answer, but just try to look at the guy as a player coming out of college, with his college stats. Compare that with what we have in this class. Where do you put him? Compare him to Gabbert, Mallett, Ponder, Newton, That other dude everyone on the west coast loves….
I might be inclined to call Alex Smith a good fit, in those circumstances. Mobile, accurate passer. Smart, stand up guy.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
Alex Smith's stats would dwarf Gabbert's
As would his win percentage. The two are fairly comparable in that neither played in a pro style system, neither has a rocket for an arm, both are good, mobility-wise, both are very intelligent. But in terms of college production, there’s no comparison.
Best case scenario for the top 6 picks:
1Car Dareus, 2Den Fairley, 3Buf Newton: 4Cin Jones 5Ari Gabbert 6Cle Bowers
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As to the guys I'd take over Smith
I’d take Smith over Gabbert and Newton.
I’d consider Ponder, Mallet, Locker, and Stanzi over Smith.
But that’s not just stats. But it is my “getting old” memory of Smith out of college compared with what I’ve watched of this years crop.
I watched some footage of Smith in his Utah Bowl game.
He looked solid. Really good athleticism, mobility, pretty good reads, good arm. But by now, he’s broken.
Best case scenario for the top 6 picks:
1Car Dareus, 2Den Fairley, 3Buf Newton: 4Cin Jones 5Ari Gabbert 6Cle Bowers
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He looked really good in game 17 of the 2010 season
And 2011 will be the first year the 49ers have an OLine worth standing behind since 2003.
Maybe he can be fixed.
Ummm, hello--that was against...lemme check...the Arizona Tankers--er...Cardinals!
Full disclosure, Smith is probably the best option for the 2011 Niners given that we’ll probably have a short offseason. But I’m still not convinced that Smith could really resurrect his career in San Fransisco.
Best case scenario for the top 6 picks:
1Car Dareus, 2Den Fairley, 3Buf Newton: 4Cin Jones 5Ari Gabbert 6Cle Bowers
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by grantmp on Apr 8, 2011 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How anyone can consider Ponder over anyone is beyond me.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I know.
We don’t hold that against you.
by Ougadas on Apr 7, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Clever.
But after a preseason of watching him, and once he gets cut from whichever team “thinks” he is worth what they draft him as… then I won’t hold it against anyone who “thinks” highly of him.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I can honestly say I'd take Mallett over smith
I can’t say that about any other QB here. Gabbert, Newton, Locker…None of them really have anything OVER Smith. Mallett has the arm. He’s a gun slinger. I could see an arguement for Newton, except that Smith was the first prototypical Urban QB, the mold that Newton is in. What do any of these guys offer that Smith doesn’t? Other than the gun slinger, I’m not seein it. So if not the gunslinger, I’d say stick with Smith. And I don’t like Alex Smith at all.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
Okay, I just had to remove an entire string of comments from this thread.
Let’s be more repectful people.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Break out the BAN HAMMER

Best case scenario for the top 6 picks:
1Car Dareus, 2Den Fairley, 3Buf Newton: 4Cin Jones 5Ari Gabbert 6Cle Bowers
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A cat picture?
Don’t worry, Fooch gave us very clear instructions on how to handle this.
Stand on the red X please.
X
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
It's a target.
X marks the spot…where the ban hammer falls‼ Bwahahahaha‼
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
sure.
From now on, when I ban people, I’ll tell them to think of it as a hug from the ban hammer.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I think they would be more open to it.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
wow, I just barely noticed the typo.
respectful, not repectful.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
just wait until they sit on the bench the first year
while Alex Smith gets booed by our retarded fans. That ought to help his confidence.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
If the niners have Mallett drop to them in the 2nd they'd be insane not to draft him
I’ve felt all along he’s going to be the best QB in this draft and I will stand by that until proven otherwise
People not named Drew K say that
Ponder is the most pro ready QB in the draft, but I think Mallett is right there.
Best case scenario for the top 6 picks:
1Car Dareus, 2Den Fairley, 3Buf Newton: 4Cin Jones 5Ari Gabbert 6Cle Bowers
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