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2006 NFL Draft Grades: Overall Team Value and Efficiency Ratings

Welcome back for Part 2 of my series on draft grading. Yesterday, I introduced an objective, stat-based system for evaluating draft picks that involves comparing their actual career performances vs. an estimate of the career performances we should have expected given the selection at which they were drafted. Although the potential applications of this system are numerous, the most obvious ones involve evaluating entire draft classes. Today, I'm going to look back at the 2006 NFL Draft, and grade each team based on 2 stats I talked about yesterday:

  1. Value Above Expectation (VAE)
  2. Return on Investment (ROI)

Just to remind everyone how the system works, what I do is first calculate a draft pick's Career Approximate Value per Year (AV/Yr). For example, J.J. Stokes amassed a Career AV of 41 over a 9-year career, which translates to 4.56 AV/Yr. Next, I calculate a draft pick's Expected AV/Yr (Exp AV/Yr) by plugging his pick number into the equation:

Exp AV/Yr = 7.82 - 1.29*ln(Pick)

For instance, J.J. Stokes was the 10th pick in the 1995 NFL Draft, so 7.82 - 1.29*ln(10) = 4.85 Exp AV/Yr.

Once I know a player's AV/Yr and Exp AV/Yr, I can then calculate VAE and ROI.

TEAM VAE

VAE is the simple difference between the player's actual career and his expected career (i.e., VAE = AV/Yr - Exp AV/Yr). If he's outperformed expectations, VAE is positive, and vice versa. Fundamentally, VAE tells you how far above or below expectations that a draft pick performed during his NFL career. For instance, Stokes' VAE was -0.29, meaning he underachieved expectations.

In a team context, the goal of a draft is to maximize VAE with the picks you have at your disposal. Obviously, the more overall value a team gets in the draft, the better. However, the point of VAE in the context of a draft class is to tell us how much total value a team added to their roster above and beyond what was expected given the picks at their disposal. For instance, due to the picks they traded away to acquire Stokes, the 49ers only had 4 picks in the 1995 draft: #s 10, 127, 201, and 238. Based on these pick numbers, the Niners should have gotten a total of 8.16 AV/Yr of career value in that draft. Unfortunately, the actual career value of the 4 players they selected ended up being only 5.31 AV/Yr, meaning the 49ers actually lost 2.85 AV/Yr-worth of value with the selections they made. That's negative team VAE, and it tells us that they did a bad job of maximizing value in the 1995 NFL Draft. If, say, the 49ers would have taken Stokes with the 127th pick instead of the 10th, they would have ended up doing a better job of maximizing value. And if they took him with the 238th pick, even better.

The whole idea here is that - as I'm sure most of you understand in the context of fantasy football drafts - it's not enough to draft good players. What matters more is that you pick players who end up being better than what you'd expect based on where you drafted them. A draft consisting of 7 massively overachieving Tom Bradys is better than one consisting of 7 mildly overachieving Peyton Mannings, and is a lot better than one consisting of 7 mildly underachieving Alex Smiths. The difference between these 3 levels of "adding value in the draft above expectation" is exactly what Team VAE is measuring.

After the jump, I'll explain the ROI concept in English, present Team VAE & Team ROI stats for the 2006 NFL Draft, and go into some detail about the stats for specific teams...

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TEAM ROI

ROI, a statistic similar to VAE, is the simple ratio of actual career performance to expected career performance minus 1 (i.e., ROI = [AV/Yr divided by Exp AV/Yr] - 1), and is expressed as a percentage. If a player has outperformed expectations, ROI is greater than 0%, and vice versa. Akin to its meaning in finance, ROI in an NFL draft context tells you a player's career value relative to the pick value a team invested in selecting him. For instance, Stokes' ROI was -6.1%. As was the case with his VAE, Stokes' ROI means he underachieved expectations. Unlike VAE, however, Stokes' ROI also specifically means the 49ers lost 6.1% - or, alternatively, recovered 93.9% - of the 10th pick's value by selecting Stokes.

As was the case with VAE, teams are trying to maximize ROI given the picks at their disposal. However, the way that ROI differs from VAE in a team context is analogous to the way it differs in a player context. Specifically, in addition to knowing the total value a team added with their selections given pick expectations, it's useful to know how efficiently they added it. To understand the distinction, consider that the Colts had a Team VAE of -2.53 AV/Yr in the 1995 NFL Draft, which was very similar to the 49ers' -2.86. However, because the total expectation of IND's 7 picks was nearly double that of SF's 4 picks (14.33 AV/Yr vs. 8.16 AV/Yr), the Colts losing 2.53 AV/Yr was far more efficient than the 49ers losing 2.86 (-11.8% Team ROI for IND vs. -35.0% for SF). In other words, whereas both teams lost similar value in the aggregate, SF's loss represented a 23.2% worse return on their investment. Or, to look at it another way, losing $2 on a $14 bet - although not a good investment overall - is a better investment than losing $2 on an $8 bet, and is a much better investment than losing $2 on a $4 bet. The difference between these 3 levels of "beating value expectation given the size of your pick investment" is exactly what Team ROI is measuring.

THE 2006 NFL DRAFT - OVERALL TEAM AV/Yrs and EXPECTED AV/Yrs

Below are the basic team stats used to calculate Team VAEs and Team ROIs for the 2006 NFL Draft:

Tm

Picks

Tot AV/Yr

Rk

Tot Exp AV/Yr

Rk

ARI

6

14.80

23

14.55

19

ATL

6

8.15

31

9.61

30

BAL

10

26.10

9

17.95

9

BUF

9

28.15

7

18.56

8

CAR

8

21.00

16

14.72

17

CHI

7

22.00

15

12.82

26

CIN

8

17.60

18

14.04

23

CLE

10

19.23

17

19.30

5

DAL

8

11.25

29

14.70

18

DEN

7

36.80

1

14.29

21

DET

7

11.03

30

14.47

20

GB

11

35.85

2

23.89

1

HOU

7

35.80

3

19.77

4

IND

7

29.90

5

11.84

27

JAX

6

24.90

11

11.18

28

KC

7

16.07

21

12.99

25

MIA

5

7.33

32

8.91

31

MIN

7

23.80

13

16.22

13

NE

10

14.77

24

17.87

10

NO

8

35.40

4

17.13

11

NYG

7

14.80

22

13.46

24

NYJ

10

29.00

6

23.26

2

OAK

7

14.65

25

15.38

15

PHI

8

24.80

12

17.05

12

PIT

9

16.25

20

14.97

16

SD

8

23.60

14

14.09

22

SEA

6

13.00

28

10.14

29

SF

9

26.20

8

18.65

7

STL

10

13.08

27

19.24

6

TB

10

14.00

26

15.53

14

TEN

11

25.87

10

20.76

3

WAS

6

16.50

19

8.25

32

NFL

255

671.68

--

495.57

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The Packers and Titans had the most picks in the draft that season, whereas the Dolphins had the fewest. Not surprisingly then, GB and TEN are near the top of the rankings for total expected pick value, and MIA's near the bottom. However, you'll notice that although GB and TEN had the same number of picks, GB's picks were worth slightly more than TEN's (23.89 Exp AV/Yr vs. 20.76). That's because GB had 5 picks in the first 3 rounds (i.e., highly valuable ones), while TEN only had 2. Therefore, although both teams stockpiled picks in the 2006 NFL Draft, the Packers stockpiled picks that were more valuable than the Titans'.

In addition to having the most pick value of any team in that draft, the Packers also ended up taking the 2nd-best group of players. In other words, they invested valuable picks on valuable players. A little later, I'll show you whether that translated into a high-ranking Team ROI. Contrast GB's use of their picks with that of the Broncos, who ended up picking the single best group of players in the 2006 Draft (AV/Yr = 36.80) despite only having 7 picks that were middling in aggregate value (Exp AV/Yr = 14.29).

Focusing in on the Niners, they were near the top of the league in total picks, total value, and total pick value. In other words, they amassed a large number of valuable picks, and turned those picks into valuable players. I guess McNolan wasn't such a disaster after all. Well, at least in the context of the 2006 draft they weren't.

One other thing I'd like to mention before presenting the Team VAEs and Team ROIs is how the 32 NFL teams did as a group in the 2006 Draft. As you can see at the bottom of the table, this was a draft characterized by immense value, to the point where the average NFL team added 5.5 AV/Yr of player value, and got a 35.5% return on their pick investment. An interesting implication of this is that, as I'll show you in a minute, very few teams had really bad drafts in 2006, and their missteps seem to have put them severaly behind the eight ball during subsequent seasons.

THE 2006 NFL DRAFT - OVERALL TEAM VAEs

Below is a chart of Team VAEs for the 2006 NFL Draft (click to enlarge...notice the color-coding!!!):

2006_nfl_draft_vaes_medium

By far, the Broncos added the most player value above expectation in 2006. Of their 7 picks, DEN got Pro-Bowl QB Jay Cutler at #11, starting TE Tony Scheffler at #61, Pro-Bowl WR Brandon Marshall at #119 (!!!), Pro Bowl OLB Elvis Dumervil at #121 (!!!), and 4-year starting G Chris Kuper at #161. Not to mention that they used the 130th pick to draft Domenik Hixon, who's gone on to have some decent seasons with the Giants. To put the sickness of DEN's 2006 draft class into perspective, the Lions had nearly an identical amount of total pick value (Exp AV/Yr = 14.47 vs. DEN's 14.29), yet they're 3rd-from-the-bottom in terms of the caliber of players they got with those picks. Seeing how much Mike Shanahan et al. pwned the rest of the league in the 2006 draft, it makes you wonder 2 things:

  1. How did the Broncos not win more from 2006-2008?
  2. Is Josh McDaniels the biggest, talent-destroying, epic-failing, reverse supernova of a personnel manager in NFL history?

OK, maybe that's a little harsh. But, nevertheless, I have an incredible amount of sympathy for Bronco fans now that I see just how much talent McDaniels squandered in his 1+ years with the team. It's like Shanahan struck gold in 2006, and then McDaniels sold it all after seeing a commercial during an episode of Glenn Beck.

On the other end of the VAE spectrum is the Rams, who it seems would have been better off having a bingo caller or Auctioneer Dan from Storage Wars making their selections. Indeed, of STL's ten picks in 2006, only two - 4th-round DE Victor Adeyanju and 7th-round G Mark Setterstrom - exceeded expectations, and even both of those players have already washed out of the league. When arguably the best player you select is children's TV character, Joe "H.R." Klofnstof (or whatever his name is), and you spent a 2nd-round pick on said player, you know you had a bad draft. The Ram's VAE for the 2006 draft bears this out poignantly.

Speaking of the Rams, what you've probably already noticed from the chart is that the cellar-dwelling NFL teams of the late 2000s are all in the Rams' neighborhood. Recall that, thanks in part to their abysmal 2006 draft, STL went on to win a total of 6 games from 2007-2009. Similarly, DET had a winless season in 2008, the Dolphins had a 1-win season in 2007, the Buccaneers had a 3-win season in 2009, the Raiders only won 2 games in 2006, and the Browns had 4-win seasons in both 2006 and 2008. Aside from the Cowboys, Falcons, and Cardinals, whose demises were mostly the result of sudden QB (or QB-on-dog) trauma, and the Patriots, who seem immune to bad drafts, every team with a negative VAE in the 2006 draft ended up being a perennial laughing stock for the next 3-4 seasons.

Now, I don't want to go too far out on a limb in terms of linking VAE to winning because we're only talking about 1 draft here. So, any statements I make linking VAE (or ROI) to winning should be interpreted as mere observations rather than definitive declarations. For instance, here's another observation: 3 of the 4 Conference Championship game participants in 2006 had a Top 8 VAE in the 2006 NFL Draft (Saints, Colts, and Bears).

Indeed, it's tempting to say that these teams probably would not have gotten as far as they did without significant contributions from high-value rookies in their 2006 draft classes. NO's high-powered offense got a big boost from Pick #108, T Jahri Evans, and Pick #252 (!!!), WR Marques Colston, both of whom vastly exceeded expectations. IND seamlessly transitioned from prolific RB Edgerrin James (Pick #4 in 1999) to overachieving RB Joseph Addai (Pick #30 in 2006), and got 14 starts out of Pick #207, S Antoine Bethea, who played a major role in limiting the pass defense's decline during All-Pro S Bob Sanders' 12 games missed due to injury. Finally, it's almost certain that the Bears wouldn't have advanced to Super Bowl XLI without an otherworldly, All-Pro rookie season from PR/KR Devin Hester, whom CHI acquired through grand larseny at the 57th pick.

In terms of the 49ers, the chart shows that our beloved team had a VAE that was slightly above average, with 5 of their 9 picks having exceeded expectations (TE Vernon Davis, OLB Manny Lawson, OLB Parys Haralson, TE Delanie Walker, and DE Melvin Oliver). I'll discuss specific Niner picks over the next few days, so I won't go into too much detail here. However, I do think it's important to point out that SF had the best VAE of any team in their division, and was the only NFC West team to have an above-average VAE in the 2006 NFL Draft.

Before moving on to Team ROI, let me just make one final point about Team VAE. Because these are objective stats, we can now assign objective draft grades if we so desire. For example, we could give VAEs ranked 1-6 an A, those ranked 7-12 a B, those ranked 27-32 an F, those ranked 21-26 a D, and those ranked 13-20 a C. If we did that, you'd end up with the following objective draft grades according to VAE:

As - DEN, NO, IND, HOU, JAX, GB

Bs - BUF, SD, CHI, WAS, BAL, PHI

Cs - MIN, SF, CAR, NYJ, TEN, CIN, KC, SEA

Ds - NYG, PIT, ARI, CLE, OAK, ATL

Fs - TB, MIA, NE, DET, DAL, STL

THE 2006 NFL DRAFT - OVERALL TEAM ROIs

Below is a chart of Team ROIs for the 2006 NFL Draft (click to enlarge):

2006_nfl_draft_rois_medium

As you can see, the ordering of teams in this chart is very similar to the one for Team VAE. For instance, the Broncos' ROI confirms that, not only did their picks add value above expectation, they more than doubled their pick investment. Similarly, the Rams' ROI confirms that, were the NFL Draft a stock market, STL would have lost their shirts.

Nevertheless, there are subtle differences between the 2 charts that give us some information about how efficiently some teams used their picks. First, remember that STL had 11 picks in 2006. So, in terms of how much bang they got for their buck, I think TS Eliot is instructive: "This is the way the Rams draft, not with a bang but with a whimper." The same can be said about the team that had the fewest picks in the 2006 NFL Draft, MIA. Rather than overcoming that disadvantage, and parlaying their 5 picks into, at the very least, a small profit, they ended up with a -17.7% ROI. So not only did they sacrifice value by trading away picks, they ended up sacrificing even more value with the picks they actually made.

On the other end of the spectrum, we find 2 teams, the Jaguars and Redskins, who succeeded where the Dolphins failed. Specifically, JAX only had 6 picks with a total expectation of 11.18 AV/Yr, but turned that small haul into a group of players representing 24.90 AV/Yr of value, which translates to an ROI of 122.8%! Similarly, WAS earned a 100.0% profit on their 6 picks. What we can say about JAX and WAS in the 2006 draft was that, unlike MIA, when the NFL gave them lemons, they actually made lemonade.

Moving on to the 49ers, we can see that their middle-of-the-road ROI ranking for the 2006 draft was essentially the same as their VAE ranking. Nevertheless, as a measure of drafting efficiency, the Niners' ROI suggests that the front office did a good job of efficiently deploying their 9 picks. I mean, a 40% ROI is nothing to scoff at, even if there were 14 teams that profited more than they did.

Finally, converting Team ROIs into draft grades using the same procedure I used for Team VAE, we arrive at the following:

As - DEN, IND, JAX, NO, WAS, HOU

Bs - CHI, SD, BUF, GB, MIN, PHI

Cs - BAL, CAR, SF, SEA, CIN, NYJ, TEN, KC

Ds - NYG, PIT, ARI, CLE, OAK, TB

Fs - ATL, NE, MIA, DAL, DET, STL

If we compare these grades to the Team VAE grades, we see several differences that represent how Team ROI and Team VAE differ in what they're measuring. For instance, WAS earned a B for adding value above expectation, but adding that value with only 5 picks earned them an A for efficiency. GB, on the other hand, earned an A for adding value above expectation, but because their 11 picks were associated with a high total expectation, they only got a B in terms of ROI.

BOTTOM LINE

So, from today's post, we've learned the following:

  • The Broncos were the clear winner of the 2006 NFL Draft, and, therefore, Josh McDaniels has been rightly maligned for squandering that victory.
  • The Rams were the clear loser of the 2006 NFL Draft, and that might have had something to do with their 6 total wins from 2007-2009.
  • The Jaguars and Redskins turned lemons into lemonade.
  • The Dolphins turned lemons into compost.
  • The 49ers added value and got a good return on investment in the 2006 NFL Draft, but those successes only placed them in the middle of the pack due to how well most teams drafted that year.

Tomorrow, I'll focus in on the top of the 2006 NFL Draft by presenting each team's VAE and ROI for only the first 2 rounds, and using this actual-vs.-expectation framework to identify specific players who we can objectively label as draft busts.

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ummm.....

Am I mistaken, or did you just describe Peyton Manning as a mildly overachieving first overall pick, and Alex Smith as a mildly underachieving first overall pick?

After Further Review.........

The Bears Still Suck

by smackwaterjack on May 10, 2011 1:48 PM PDT reply actions  

nice catch...

here’s why:

tom brady at pick #199 has exceeded expectation by about 10 AV/Yr
peyton manning at pick #1 has exceeded expectation by about 5 AV/Yr
alex smith at pick #1 has fallen short of expectation by about 4 AV/Yr

obviously, manning’s one of the best ever. it’s just that, at the #1 pick, you’re supposed to get one of the best ever. at the #199 pick, you’re supposed to get a training camp body. and, for all of his faults, smith’s underachievement is basically equal to manning’s overachievement as a #1 pick.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on May 10, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's explaining how VAE works.

Tom Brady is more valuable because he over achieved expectations as a 6th round pick while a 1st overall pick in Manning is not as valuable because he’s supposed to be great as a 1st round pick. Alex Smith is a starter in the NFL so while he hasn’t destroyed any passing records, he is in the middle of the pack when it comes to QB ratings, hence only mildly under achieving! This isn’t based on how good they turn out to be, but rather how good they are compared to what was expected.

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by afrikabamboodle on May 10, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand the emphasis on value relative to expected value.....

but with that said, using the adverb “mildly” is an injustice to the canyon that is the value chasm between both of those players…..

Obviously Tom Brady’s value/expected value is a lot greater than Manning’s, and I understand why you would choose those players as your example to articulate your point (it’s a perfect example; two players with arguably comparable success who began with expectations at opposite ends of the spectrum = advantage Brady/Patriots). My point is (and I will concede that it is a trivial point and irrelevant to the discussion) that to call Manning “mildly” above average (for a 1st overall pick) and Smith “mildly” below average (for the same reference) is hard to swallow. What do you think Manning’s retrospective/hindsight trade value is? Five 1st round picks? 3 1st Overall Picks? I effing HATE Peyton Manning but the dude is more than “mildly” overacheiving. Yeah, you’re supposed to get a great player at number 1, but you’re not supposed to get one of the greatest of all time. Meanwhile, Alex Smith has been benched numerous times in favor of guys off the scrap heap (undrafted Shaun Hill, 6th rounders JTO and Troy Smith). What is Alex Smith’s retrospective trade value? No way you could get better than a 4th for him in 2005, knowing what his production would turn out to be. He’s a straight up bust. He’s got a worse career passer rating than Tim Couch. The only reason he’s lasted so long as a starter is because over the 49er investment in him, and the lack of a better alternative…

Descriptive language is subjective in the first place, so technically you can’t even be considered wrong, it just sounded a little silly to me. You can call one of them "mildly --acheiving, and the other “significantly --acheiving,” but they can’t both be “mildly --acheiving”; there is just wayyyyyyyyyyyy too much between the two players. Personally, i would say that Peyton Manning is a significantly overacheiving 1st overall pick, and Alex Smith is a significantly underacheiving 1st overall pick.

Ultimately, I was just picking a nit with you, and it has nothing to do with the overall discussion.

After Further Review.........

The Bears Still Suck

by smackwaterjack on May 10, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

i could...

respond to this in 100 different ways, but i’d rather just chalk it all up to nit-picking so that this comment thread isn’t highjacked with alex smith talk. after all, as howtheyscored intuited yestereday, there’s a reason i choose to start with 2006 rather than 2005.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on May 10, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow excellent work!

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by afrikabamboodle on May 10, 2011 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

haha...

i’d say thanks, but you put in a .gif from what i think is the most overrated movie in cinema history (if i’m correctly ID’ing it as citizen kane).

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on May 10, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

lmao I just typed in slow clapping gif and this is what came up :P

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by afrikabamboodle on May 10, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Citizen Kane

Not to get too off track with this but I agree that it’s overrated…wildly so.

by David Fucillo on May 10, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

4 out of 5 stars. This is better for the community thread.

by mcwagner on May 10, 2011 4:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Here's the way my brain works ...

The front office did a better-than-average job of drafting …
But, the team’s results (in terms of wins) was worse than average …
So, resources provided aren’t being effectively utilized … uhhh,
What does that say about the coaching being applied (or not, as the case may be)?

by 49erFanSince1950 on May 10, 2011 2:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Wait wait wait wait..

You do understand that the career AV statistic has little to nothing to do with the individual player performances right?

If you read the methodology they take the total team performance and divide it up with ratios (which are more fudge factor than statistical analysis) and assign so much of the points to the whole offensive line, so many to the skill positions, so many to the front 7, so many to the secondary, and so forth.

And the key is.. each player in those groups gets awarded an equal number of points with only exceptions being for skill position players like running backs with a high number of carries.

So again, you are doing quite alot of calculation, but the data that you are calculating against doesn’t mean what you are using it to mean.

GIGO.

by Ougadas on May 10, 2011 3:37 PM PDT reply actions  

obviously...

i know this. i’m trying as much as i can to use the word “value” instead of “performance.” with a non-technical crowd here, i’m going to be a little less worried about interchanging them, though. AV is extrapolated from team performance, so it’s a crude measure of player value given his team’s performance. given the context i’m talking about here, i.e., the value teams extract from a draft, i don’t think it’s a stretch at all to use AV as a measure of value.

not to mention, as i’ve said many times before on here, AV’s limitations are self-evident. i mean, it doesn’t take a genius to realize that there’s no such thing in football analysis as a precise grade that’s applicable to all positions and all eras. as i indeed have read the methods behind AV, i’m pretty familiar with the fact that doug was simply applying bill james’ AV idea to football. it’s called “approximate” value for a reason, and is just a way to be able to give a ballpark estimation of a player’s value for the sake of being able to do things like i’m doing here, i.e., comparing players across position and time.

finally, despite all of its limitations, it’s manifestly true that AV does one hell of a job of estimating player value. if it was “garbage in,” there’s no way in the world that 88% of its variation could be explained by an orderly progression of picks. i mean, the probability of that result being due to chance is astronomical. let me put it to you this way, if i were writing up a study to submit to a journal somewhere, i’d have absolutely no problem providing plenty of evidence supporting the reliability and validity of AV as a measure of “how good a player is/was.”

but, by all means, feel free to keep throwing around the GIGO thing.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on May 10, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

You've got me all wrong.

I’m not saying you haven’t found a link. I’m saying you think you are measuring player value and comparing it against draft order. I’m saying that the multitude of fudge factors that PFR developed to make their model fit reality have in fact made it into a measure of playing time, which is heavily influenced by draft order.

I’d wager if you want a really strong correlation, do a regression on playing time and AV, where you normalize AV to account for the different “total team points” that will differ from team to team.

I’m saying congratulations, you’ve found a very strong link between draft order and draft order.

by Ougadas on May 10, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

you're saying...

i’m making the following circular argument…

1. being picked higher is related to playing more.
2. playing more is related to higher AV.
3. higher AV is related to being picked higher.
4. therefore, being picked higher is related to being picked higher.

the problems here are (a) that you’re omitting practically the entire purpose and process of the nfl draft, which are to accurately identify, evaluate, and allocate talent, and (b) you’re omitting nearly the entirety of NFL reality, which is that the coaches allocate the playing time. the reason why players are being picked higher is because they’re more talented. and the reason why players play more is because their coaches think they’re more talented. sure, higher picks get the benefit of the doubt in terms of initial playing time. but, except for perhaps the very top of the draft, where the scale of the team’s financial investment makes it prohibitive to keep super-high picks on the bench, coaches have proven over the course of NFL history that they’re under no obligation to play any player because he was picked higher. furthermore, they’ve proven over time that they’re more than willing to play a player even though he was picked lower, so long as that player proves himself to be more talented than the players ahead of him on the depth chart. not to mention that coaches have proven that they have no problem benching a high pick very quickly simply because they’ve shown themselves to be worse than the player(s) (who could have been picked anywhere in the draft) below them on the depth chart.

all of this is just to say that, perhaps in the very, very short term, and at the very, very top of the draft, draft order has a high influence on playing time. in the long-term, and after the top of the draft, i’d argue that draft order is orders of magnitude less influential than talent. i mean, sure larry fitzgerald got thrust into the starting lineup immediately, but it’s almost self-evident that the balance of his amazing career is due to his talent. dennis green and ken wisenhunt didn’t keep him in the starting lineup after his first few games because they were beholden to the #3. i’m thinking that it was because he’s damn good. saying that the next 100 games of his career, and the AV attached to that career, is simply due to the #3 is ridiculous on its face.

i know you’re going to cry foul about another, but please tell me how “high pick = more playing time” fits when marques colston, the 4th to last pick in the draft, started for NO from day 1? that’s an extreme case, so how about the slew of 1st-3rd rounders who initially sat? or other later-round picks who started from day 1, or ever started for that matter? clearly, except for perhaps the very highest of picks, the coach’s decision-making is driving playing time much more than the draft order. and to the extent that draft order is influencing playing time, it’s because NFL teams are spending resources to accurately slot players in the draft according to their talent.

to suggest that talent-evaluation and coaching should be subordinated to a simple math game of increasing pick numbers is to deny most of NFL reality. it’s one of those statistics-are-everything football arguments that people often accuse me of making; which, I might add, is pretty ironic.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on May 10, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You should know better

than to use outlier examples to try to prove the point as solitary examples. You know good and well that on the whole the 4th pick gets way more playing time than the 4th to last pick — both in practice time and game time.

Colston is one of the very few 7th round picks to ever start in week one of his first season. The 4th picks start in week 1 far more often than not.

Bringing up Colston like he has statistical meaning in the big picture is fallacious and I’m not going to let you slide on it just because you preface your fallacy with “you’re probably going to cry foul”.

The reason I’m right is the failure threshold. A 1st to 3rd round pick that doesn’t work out gets YEARS of additional time on average before coaches give up on him than a 6th or 7th round pick. And he’ll accumulate AV by simply being in the lineup where a 6th or 7th round guy will not.

And the primary difference between his AV and a guy like Fitzgerald are his position being weighted differently and the fudge factor for voted pro bowls and all pro.

Further, lower round picks that get a high number of starts for other reasons — such as the player is merely mediocre but injuries or free agency or the team simply using it’s draft capital for more pressing needs keeps him in the lineup — he accumulates the same percentage of his teams point value in AV as a much more talented player at his position as long as that player doesn’t get voted for as an All-Pro or Pro Bowler.

But I’m not saying that you are making a circular argument. I’m saying you are comparing two variables and working on the assumption that they are independent when they are not.

But I’m not telling you that you have to take my word for it. I’m not saying that I’m a better source than the guys at PFR. I’m also not saying that I’m smarter than you with this critique, because I honestly think it’s the other way around. But I have seen something that you are missing, and not wanting to see.

I’m telling you that if you run a correlation on AV and playing time while normalizing the Total Team Points that get distributed and looking at it position by position, you are going to find that AV is hugely a function of playing time.

On average a 4 year non pro bowl guard in Philly is going to have very similar if not identical AV to a 4 year no pro bowl guard in San Diego when you start the teams out with the same number of points to distribute.

If you do the same with playing time and draft order, you’ll find the same.

Don’t trust me and don’t believe me.

Run the tests and see for yourself.

by Ougadas on May 11, 2011 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

also...

i defy you to list any AV-based statements i made in the post that are wildly contrary to what either a more subjective or more stat-analysis-based opinion would be. i mean, have you SEEN STL’s 2006 draft, DEN’s? GB’s? the fact that my AV-based calculations are so in-line with what your average fan would say is actually a methodological strength, not a weakness. personally, i’d be more likely to share your concern if i was coming up with totally out-there AV-based results, and then claiming that those “obviously contrary to reality” findings were somehow the reality we should all be convinced to believe.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on May 10, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

aaand...

two more things:

1. although i didn’t think it was necessary to bring up in front of a non-technical audience, the fact that AV is inextricably tied to team performance is actually a major reason i’m so hesitant to make declarative statements regarding the relationship between VAE and winning or ROI and winning.

2. as i said (and linked to) in yesterday’s post, chase @ PFR basically did almost the exact same av-based analysis i reported yesterday. in fact, he did it in the context of estimating the value of every pick in the draft, albeit vis-a-vis the draft trade value chart. furthermore, i also linked to doug @ PFR’s av-based posts detailing “the best draft classes ever.” now, if the developers and primary custody holders of AV seem to have no problem with draft-based applications of their statistic, am i to assume that you have a better grasp of what AV is than they do, and therefore defer to you? i mean, they don’t think AV should be considered “garbage in” in this context, but who cares what they think, right?

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on May 10, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

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