NN 49ers Draft Bust Community Vote: Developing A Pool Of Players
by David Fucillo on Jun 1, 2011 4:00 PM PDT
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PrintIn the weeks leading up to the NFL Draft, I provided a rundown of my view of the top ten 49ers draft busts and successes since 1990. There was plenty of disagreement over my choices so I thought we could come up with a ranking of busts based on a community vote. We'll use the same voting system we use for our Community Big Board, so you'll vote from a pool of 25 players, going one through five, six through ten, etc. I'm thinking we'll go either top ten or top twenty.
We're doing this now because after that Florida Danny will put together his own look at draft busts based on a more statistical approach. It could be interesting to see how the two results compare given our perceptions of certain players.
For now I've posted the top ten list I came up with after the jump. I'd like to use this post to come up with a pool of players. Given popular demand I'll include Alex Smith in the poll and let people vote as they will. For now though, please provide any additional names (players drafted since 1990) you can think of that you'd qualify as a bust. Doesn't have to be a guy you view as the top bust, but sufficiently likely to get some votes. I'll get the poll going tomorrow once we come up with some more names.
49ers Top 10 NFL Draft Busts
1. Jim Druckenmiller, Quarterback - 1997 NFL Draft
2. J.J. Stokes, Wide Receiver - 1995 NFL Draft
3. Rashaun Woods, Wide Receiver - 2004 NFL Draft
4. Mike Rumph, Cornerback - 2002 NFL Draft
5. Kentwan Balmer, Defensive End - 2008 NFL Draft
6. Todd Kelly, Outside Linebacker - 1993 NFL Draft
7. Kwame Harris, Offensive Tackle - 2003 NFL Draft
8. Dexter Carter, Running Back - 1990 NFL Draft
9. Reggie McGrew, Defensive Tackle - 1999 NFL Draft
10. Dana Hall, Free Safety - 1992 NFL Draft
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Second rate management
means second rate teams. This includes coaching, of course.
WOW that is TEN real BUMS there!
Jim Drunken Raper was certainly a monumental bust. I personally believe that their should be room on this list for Alex Smith. For a #1 overall pick, he has been mediocre to poor at best. The thought that we could have had and should have had Aaron Rodgers (local product, better conference, overall obvious better pick) turns my stomach. That was the worst mistake this franchise has made in the last 10 years. I put much of that blame on Mikey NoWin. Stupid mistake that has cost this franchise any semblance of decent production at the QB position for many years now. If Smith start this year, it will be another lost season down the drain. Just cant win with a mediocre to poor QB. That is the one position you have to have solid contributions from, and Smith is anything but solid.
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
Would our view of Rodgers be the same
if he had dealt with as chaotic of a coaching history as Alex?
The way I look at it, if we had drafted Rodgers, we would have put him in the same position as we put Smith (the throw into the fire situation) with just as bad of a supporting cast. He most likely would have struggled, like Alex did, he might not have struggled to the same extent, but he definitely would have not put up great numbers. So then, a new OC would most likely have been brought in, and so would have begun another season of Rodgers learning a play book… Truth be told, I don’t think Aaron Rodgers would look even remotely as good as he is now if we had drafted him. Cause you have to also look at what he actually experienced as a rookie, which was much more nurturing and gave him a better chance to succeed.
If you believe all 1st round QBs are equal.
The Chargers must have really f-d up Ryan Leaf.
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
Yup not all created equal
Rodgers would have been concussed out of the league by now.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 2, 2011 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Keith DeLong
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Jun 3, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought we went over this already
some of us seriously questioned why you had JJ Stokes listed at #2. I made a rational case as to why a STARTER is considered a bust even taking into consideration what it cost the Niners to pick him. Floridadanny agreed with me and you admitted to a very SUBJECTIVE analysis…siting something about “expectations”.
Which is why we're doing a community vote now:
The 2nd sentence: “There was plenty of disagreement over my choices so I thought we could come up with a ranking of busts based on a community vote.”
Other kids may be sayin' hi-ho, but The Gooch just says yo.
it's still purely subjective
without a reasonable agreement of perimeters and analysis in regards to draft pick value and player production value (which I believe floridadanny or another poster attempted to derive from stats).
by allforfunnplay on Jun 1, 2011 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm taking Alex Smith off the list for consideration
A first overall pick for a quarterback to be average is not really a bad bust. The way he busted was the time taken waiting for him to wake up and turn into something he isn’t. It was not Alex’s fault that they never had a plan B to the position or how he was mishandled.
Dude
Michael Vick spent some odd years in prison for his crime…. he came back and tore teams up. I guarantee he couldn’t train that hard in prison.
Alex just doesn’t have the skill. He is average, I like the man but let’s cut the bs and excuses we make for him.
by 49erfannm on Jun 1, 2011 7:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
sure, but as the biggest busts...
Only guy I could possibly see on the list that was better was J.J. Stokes and I think Alex was better than Stokes and didn’t cost us anything.
Aw, I like J.J… he was one of my fan favorites.
by 49erfannm on Jun 1, 2011 8:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I feel he has cost this franchise a lot actually
I agree that not having a good plan B is bad coaching, but the faith (and therefore expectation) put into Alex by this organization up to this point has led to quite a few failing years.
I think that is where the confusion is in this thread. There are no guidelines for picking, or exactly what to consider as a bust. Is it most detrimental starter to the teams success? Is it expectation compared to results? Is it college performance compared to NFL performance?
I forgot to explain my previous heading
Any rational team would have replaced him a couple years ago or at least delegated him to a back-up role. Instead, his “flashes” of good play encouraged our team to stick with him as starter and continue to give us Ls instead of Ws. If he wouldn’t have continued to be a burden on the franchise, I might say he wasn’t a bust, just was put in a bad situation. As it is though, I feel he has a hugely negative impact on this team, and as a #1 QBOTF prospect, there is no way he cannot be labeled a bust. And I would say he should be on the list primarily because I cannot think of another player (with the exception of T.O., who was highly productive) who has had as detrimental an impact on our team.
Wait
Are you making the argument Alex remains on the team because the franchise continually failed to implement a backup or alternative plan at QB illogically for years? Blasphemy!
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
Oh, was I not supposed to say that?
I haven’t been on much this off season, so I am not sure about all the arguments and dead horses that have been beaten since the end of last season. I do know that any other team would have benched Alex mid-game week 2, unless they too had no alternate. We played him for 6 weeks before doing so, with continuously poor play.
I think Alex would be a great second string QB. But unfortunately, he has been in a first string role. He can’t give you 30 min of good play (or 28 min for that matter, as that was O time of possession last season). Anyway, I think a bust must be defined by expectation of performance vs actual performance. Maybe even dollars invested vs performance. In either of those, Alex is a bust.
Bro , i guarantee you have no clue about prison unless you've been there ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
What are you talking about? I’ve been to jail twice… I don’t see how you connect your dots.
He doesn’t have a playbook or a team in prison to practice with.
What is your problem?
by 49erfannm on Jun 1, 2011 8:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I've never been to jail
Doesn’t look fun so I’ll keep it that way. Even in “Ernest Goes To Jail” it looks rough
I got a DWI once…. then I broke probation and had to go in for 72 hours. It wasn’t too bad. They separate people by severity of crime.
by 49erfannm on Jun 1, 2011 9:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't mean to be rude but..
72 hours doesn’t sound like enough to comment on conditions (then you have to factor in the variety of different prison conditions depending on the prison, cell block, e.t.c.). also when you say that you’ve been to jail twice, the image it invokes is two stays of at least a couple months, not 72 hours. does my stay of 24 hours give me the write to say I’ve been to jail now? and on that note (I’m just curious now) was this a jail or prison, b/c those are two very different things. After writing this I see I am coming off as a jackass but I hope you get what I’m getting at.
by AHR on Jun 2, 2011 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions
When you're celebrity athlete in jail you have all the time in the world
Vick wasn’t busy watching his butt 24/7 in jail he was busy working out.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 2, 2011 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions
The strange thing with Vick
Was that being physically prepared was never an issue for him.
Being mentally prepared to play the QB position was always his issue.
he is a starter so that puts him in the top tier of all quarterbacks. Of the starters half are better than him and half are worst. Give or take a few guys either way depending on your views on him. I would say that average is a fairly accurate description. In the NFC West he is above average.
I think this website needs another poll
Which fan base is more delusional these days?
A) Niners Nation
B) Raiders Nation
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
A
I’ve been looking for any statistic to support him being average. Couldn’t find them. He is in the bottom half. Too much Kool Aid around here. He could replace JJ Stokes or Dana Hall and be 10
by mcwagner on Jun 2, 2011 10:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's a stretch to call him average
I’ll buy the the NaBust argument but I wish he has played at an average level. He’s mostly played below average.
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
JJ Stokes doesn't belong here
Which is why so many people objected the first time around. I believe you even said that you would have made him #1 if it hadn’t been for Drunkenmiller.
He played for the 49ers for 8 years, had 327 receptions for an average of 12.7 yards and 30 touchdowns.
Expectations were too high for him. Your fault not his.
Hopefully I'm not too late
Glenn Coffee (2009)
Kentwan Balmer (2008)
Ahmed Plummer (2000)
and maybe William Floyd (1994) – though since his knee injury was a contributing factor, I’m not sure about this one.
Coffee looked good
Don’t think he can really be labeled a bust. More disappointment at his decision to “retire.”
plummer was ok until his second contract
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Jun 3, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
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