NFC West Position Rankings, Quarterbacks: Alex Smith Remains A Mystery
Although the rumors seem to indicate the NFL Lockout might hopefully, maybe, possibly be ending in enough time to get football going on its regular schedule, there is still plenty of dead time until then. I've been chatting with the rest of the NFC West team blogs and we thought it would be fun to put together some rankings of various positions for the division. We did some positional grading a year or two ago, but this is more just about coming up with a basic 1-4 ranking.
We started things off at the quarterback position and you'll be shocked to note that Sam Bradford is ranked the top quarterback by everybody. I realize how stunning that is. In putting together these rankings we didn't make too many significant assumptions, such as a potential Kevin Kolb trade. Rather, the only major assumptions were that Matt Hasselbeck and Alex Smith would re-sign with their respective teams. Here are my rankings, with each blogger after the jump.
1. Sam Bradford
2. Matt Hasselbeck
3. Alex Smith
4. Charlie Whitehurst
5. Derek Anderson/John Skelton
After the jump I've got a quick write-up, along with some snippets of the other guys' comments. Each site is posting these at the same time so we'll have plenty of discussion going around the NFC West.
Sam Bradford is a clear notch ahead of the rest of the division even after only one season in the league. He is officially the most talented QB in the league and was an integral reason the Rams bounced back to almost win the 2010 NFC West. While Matt Hasselbeck might have the greater experience and the playoff victories, the torch has passed among QBs in the NFC West.
On the other hand, Hasselbeck remains the clear number two in the otherwise soft NFC West. While Alex Smith does still have upside, Smith has yet to prove he can consistently perform on the field and win football games for the 49ers. He's shown flashes of brilliance, but they've only been flashes. Until he proves otherwise he remains below even a geriatric Hasselbeck. I am one of the group that thinks Smith could become a serviceable QB under Jim Harbaugh, but until he proves it the assumption will remain against him. In the meantime, Matt Hasselbeck may struggle at times, but he continues to deliver enough to remain in this spot.
As for the Arizona Cardinals? Well, they are consistently mentioned in the Kevin Kolb discussions in part because Derek Anderson and John Skelton are not long term solutions. Anderson has had a few moments of brilliance but not enough to justify much of anything. As for Skelton, he remains a project with questionable upside. Of the three teams in the NFC West, the Cardinals are as likely as any to add a QB whenever free agency/trades pick back up.
Jess Root, Revenge of the Birds:
1. Sam Bradford
2. Matt Hasselbeck
3. Alex Smith
4. John Skelton/Max Hall/Derek Anderson
"... On the back end, it was Alex Smith that ranked ahead of the Derek Anderson/John Skelton tandem of the Arizona Cardinals. Sure, Smith has been disappointing, but he does show flashes of what he could have been. Anderson is what he is. He will make a couple of "wow" throws and then miss the guy that is wide open in the flat and standing still. Skelton never was supposed to see the field and is, even still, a project. There will likely be improvement from the Cardinals quarterback situation just due to a year of the offensive system under their belts.
VanRam, Turf Show Times:
1. Sam Bradford
2. Charlie Whitehurst
3. Matt Hasselbeck
4. Alex Smith
5. Arizona's mess
"Sure, laugh at the Charlie Whitehurst pick, but he beat the Rams in week 17, with the division title on the line. Obviously, the guy's a joke, but it seems like his immediate future holds more potential than Matt Hasselbeck's. It's too bad the Seahawks didn't fix their offensive sooner, while Hasselbeck still had some tread left on his tires. It sounds like he's leaving the division.
Alex Smith? Potential? I want to live in this utopia, a place where Horatio Alger still exists even after six years of dismal to mediocre results. Rams fans used to think the same thing about Marc Bulger. His best bet is to find a new home, a fresh start, but even Peter King seems to think that Smith won't find work anywhere beyond San Francisco. The guy just lacks talent. If he had a history of better decision making, he might have a future as a transitional, game-manager type, but it's too late for him."
Danny Kelly, Field Gulls:
1. Sam Bradford
2. Matt Hasselbeck
3. Alex Smith
4. Charlie Whitehurst
4.5 John Skelton/Max Hall/Derek Anderson
"Hasselbeck has been and still is a great leader for the Seahawks, demonstrated his mettle with a solid performance in the playoffs last season, and is a savvy veteran. His playoff performance and experience makes him still a very dangerous player and he's got enough in the tank to nip at Sam Bradford's heels for the unofficial title of best QB in the NFC West (if he is indeed a part of the NFC West in 2011).
But to do this he simply has to take better care of the football. He's had 34 TDs to 44 Interceptions in the last 3 seasons and his untimely turnovers have often spelled disaster for the Hawks. He's effective when he's calm and lets the game come to him but when he tries to force the ball or carry the team on his back he gets into trouble. If he can limit his turnovers and stay healthy, Matt Hasselbeck can still be very effective.
Alex Smith has the potential to be a good NFL QB, but has yet to prove it. He showed some leadership abilities in certain situations last season, but was unable to provide any consistency for the 49ers and he had to share some playing time with backup Troy Smith. He has probably the best offensive talent around him compared to other teams in NFC West, but failed to capitalize on that and thus comes in as the 3rd best QB in the division."
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A healthy Hasselbeck is better than Bradford.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
I'd put them all on the same line due to their various issues
if they’re all healthy, Hasselbeck is better than the other two
but, what are the chances he’ll be healthy.
by whistlingmountain on Jun 16, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, not very good
My favorite was when he hurt his back running untouched into the endzone.
It wouldn’t surprise me to see Alex at the top of this list by seasons end. Bradford has a big step to make this year. Throwing 5 yard crossing routes to D. A. may not work out so well this year.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
I, too, would put them at the same line for 2012
Bradford in his first year showed the characteristics of a franchise QB. However, coaches have 16 game tapes to prepare for him this off-season. On the other hand, he is not getting the coaching he needs for his sophomore season.Hasselbeck has the experience, although not the health.
by Mood_Indigo on Jun 16, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Call me crazy, but I just do not understand all of the love for Bradford!
He may become a servicable QB in this league, but I just don’t see him becoming a “franchise QB”; I truly believe that Kaepernick will develop into a better overall QB than Bradford. Does Bradford stand out with the Rams? Of course … they don’t really have anything else, what with Jackson being injured and on the downside of his career.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jun 16, 2011 8:45 AM PDT reply actions
They didn't really have WR's either.
But I agree I think he’s getting a free pass because he played pretty decent in his rookie year. But as I mentioned above, they really didn’t ask too much of him.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
No WRs last year, but ...
This year’s Rams draft ( from NFL.Com)
Round 2: TE Lance Kendricks: “the most athletic tight end in the draft …a legitimate vertical threat with the size and speed to stretch the defense … capable blocker.”
Round 3: WR Austin Pettis: " one of the most polished route runners in the draft … will likely compete for a role as a No. 3 receiver in his first season."
Round 4: WR Greg Salas: " highly productive receiver with great hands and outstanding toughness. He should compete for time as a slot receiver in their three- and four-receiver sets."
by OffensiveInterference on Jun 16, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Hendricks could become a legit target for Bradford.
But Pettis and Salas are carbon copies of what the Rams already have at WR. Possession receivers who profile at the slot. There is still no true #1 target for Bradford to develop with. So I’m expecting more of the dink-and-dunk passing attack from last year.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
And Harbamania. And the San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series season.
by Hoopers Judge on Jun 16, 2011 2:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
*Kendricks
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
And Harbamania. And the San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series season.
by Hoopers Judge on Jun 16, 2011 3:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
They may target Plaxico Burress...
If they’re smart they’d go get T.O. for dirt cheap and add Burress, then line Amendola in the slot and let Kendricks take LB’s out of the box for Jackson to run in.
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No Bradford is gonna be a stud
Admittedly we have horrible pass defense and the niners were playing a bit of umbrella but just go back to the Rams-Niners game in SF I swore the niners were going to get dink and dunked all over the field they could not get to the guy before he got the ball out, and regardless of our secondary his WR’s were equally awful thats when I called my brother and said ya were screwed in the next couple years that guy is gonna be good for a long time
Sam Bradford breaks Peyton Manning's rookie completions record
Bradford led the St. Louis Rams to a big victory over the San Francisco 49ers to lead his team to one win away from their first playoff appearance since 2004.
During the contest, Bradford passed Peyton Manning’s 12-year record for completions and prepares to face off with the Seattle Seahawks next week, with the winner taking the NFC West title.
Uh, setting a passing record against the Niners' DBs last year wasn't really a very difficult task.
Against a team that had any real pass defense, dinking and dunking wouldn’t have won the game.
I don’t really dislike Bradford, I think that he’s a nice kid with some real talent, but I just don’t see him as the savior that he is being portrayed as. Potentially good, yes. Potentially great, I don’t think so.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jun 16, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Crazy!
You told me to… plus, I believe it if you actually believe that Bradford is not a franchise QB. He’s going to be the next Peyton Manning. And if you think that Kaep will be better than Bradford, in essence you’re saying that Kaep is the next Tom Brady.
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Uh, no ... I'm simply sayiny, as others have, that Bradford is overrated ...
He may be a starting QB for the Lambs, but that certainly doesn’t make him a “franchise QB” … just like Alex has been a starter but not a franchise QB. Can’t imagine Bradford ever reaching Manning/Brady level, regardless of how long he plays. Are you sure that your feelings about OU aren’t playing into this, Drew?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jun 16, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
franchise QBs
Why don’t you think he’ll be a franchise QB? Of course, that also depends on how one defines a franchise QB.
You say he’s serviceable because he stands out with the Rams, implying they’re not a good team, which is true. They’re not awful anymore but they’ve got work to do. However, Peyton Manning put up monster numbers for a pretty bad Colts team. I’m not here to say Bradford is the next Manning, but to rule that out after one season seems to go to far in my mind. Bradford put together the third most passing yards by a rookie QB ever. Passing yards are questionable stats but that’s still pretty impressive for a rookie. His 18 touchdowns is tied for sixth most. His 60% completion percentage is fifth best.
Football Outsiders put together a similarity scale for players and here are the top ten most similar single seasons. I don’t think it’s fair to project that he will be a franchise QB after only one season, just like I don’t think it’s fair to say he won’t be a franchise QB after one season where he put up some really impressive numbers with some big question marks in talent.
Most Similar Players for 2010
Rank Player Year
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3 Donovan McNabb 2000
4 Chuck Long 1987
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9 Peyton Manning 1998
10 Jeff George 1991
by David Fucillo on Jun 16, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Bradford put together the third most passing yards by a rookie QB ever
To add… with nobody better than Danny Amendola to throw to.
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well...
And Steven Jackson out of the backfield. He’s a nice little safety valve to have. But I get your point.
by David Fucillo on Jun 16, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Their receiving situation is going to be much improved this year... especially if a guy like Burress (who Spags is already familiar with)
goes to St. Louis.
They got a legit TE in the draft in Kendricks… Gilyard should be healthy, Amendola, Gibson, Avery, possibly Pettis… etc. I think they will be tough for us to beat if we do not push to get some real depth in our secondary. They will just spread the Niners out and Bradford will pick us to pieces like Rodgers did the Steelers in the SB.
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I think that Culliver and Holcomb will be good additions though. I think Tarell Brown could be the fourth or fifth CB on the team after preseason. And one of the two mentioned could very well start.
There’s always hope that a guy like Asomugha could be lured in once free agency hits.
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this is tarrell brown last year on the niners if he makes the team, spencer may be on his way out also.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jun 16, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
which spencer
the good or the bad or the one that forgets to tackle the receiver before yelling at his teammate?
spencer will be another teams will james in a season or two. clements will still be starting
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jun 16, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Clements is going to be 32 in December... that is old for a cornerback.
Especially one without speed.
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bradford is going to be crushed like what patrick willis did to hasselback…. but it might be aldon smith doing the deed this time.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jun 16, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I am 100% sure my feeling are not skewing my interpretation. Go look at me reviews on Trent Williams.
I don’t let that affect my perception.
Just look at what he did with absolutely nobody already as a rookie. Give him a Marvin Harrison and a Reggie Wayne and the same O-line and then you are going to see him rise above what Manning has done in the league.
Course time will tell…so we will revisit this conversation in 3-4 years when he is considered one of the top 3 quarterbacks in the NFL.
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austrialian?
Or cockney maybe? Too many accents for me to decipher.
by David Fucillo on Jun 16, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
throwing him under the bus after one season.
but I do think that alex stats will look better than bradfords this year.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jun 16, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
But to throw Bradford under the bus after an impressive rookie campaign, when he was the best college QB since Manning is kinda ludicrous.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 17, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Bradford is overrated
he was good/very good for a rookie but was average compared to the rest of the starting QBs in the league. I would put him behind Alex Smith and Hasselback. Also I don’t expect much from him this year mostly because he is getting Alexed.
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
I hope he gets Alexed his first 6 years in the league so we can compare
But in reality he may have already gotten franchise bookend tackles. Something Alex STILL doesn’t have.
So Bradford already has a solid line… Ours is still a question mark… Though a much smaller one and one with the potential for a significant improvement.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 16, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
he'd only be getting alexed if they hired
a tight ends coach to be OC and then hired a mad wizard who does things his own way, and then hired a retired coordinator who no one else in the league would dare touch.
by whistlingmountain on Jun 16, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Being alexed doesn't mean it happens just like Alex Smith
Stop ruining my funny
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
oh I know it's all in fun
but I think it’s funny that people talk about him getting different coordinators, and ignore just how different they were. practically polar opposites every year.
didn’t just hurt him, hurt everyone, and resulted in an offense that wasn’t just bad, was excruciating to watch. Even if Bradford continues to play at the mediocre level he finished last year or takes a step back, we know McDaniels won’t put out such an offense. Just as we knew Norv wouldn’t.
by whistlingmountain on Jun 16, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Strictly going off of last year stats.
Alex was the second best qb in the division last year
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best QB in the NFC west according to espn
by Andrew9erfan on Jun 16, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going to say
At least going by QB rating, which has never been a particularly accurate yardstick.
but then I have a reading problem...
by Bob In Beaverton on Jun 16, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Bradford is the no doubt the best in the division.
Hasselbeck would barely be ranked 2nd, just ahead of Alex Smith.
And the Cards are last, whomever they choose to put out there.
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I'd probably put Whitehurst between Smith and the Cards
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