2011 NFL Free Agency Primer: The Quarterback Position And Our San Francisco 49ers
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 10:00 AM PDT
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PrintThe 49ers will have three quarterbacks on the roster when the lock out is lifted. In terms of quantity it would seem they have a full slate at that position. But, what about quality? How confident are you in any of the three leading a winning team?
It is pretty scary when that confidence is directed at a player 12 more losses than wins in his career, Alex Smith. That said, there is a nice amount of optimism in the position heading into the 2011 season. That optimism starts with Jim Harbaugh's ability to develop quarterbacks, which could help Smith moving forward. It continues with the selection of the talented Colin Kaepernick in the 2nd round of April's draft.
This morning I am going to take a look at options for San Francisco as they relate to the quarterback market once free agency begins. I am sure they are going to take a look at a veteran signal caller; lets see the options.
Unrestricted Free Agents
2009 Stats (DNP in 2010) 9 Games, 8 Starts, 56.7 Completion %, 1469 Yards, 5 TD, 6 INT
Analysis: Bulger would be a great backup option for the 49ers, however, it is apparent that he is going to sign a free agent contract with the Arizona Cardinals once the lockout ends. Not to worry, Bulger isn't a starting quarterback in the league anymore, and it seems that he is being brought in by Arizona to "compete" for the starting position. Mediocrity at its absolute finest.
Kerry Collins, Tennessee Titans
2010 Stats: 9 Games, 7 Starts, 1823 Yards, 14 TD, 8 INT
Analysis: Collins seems to redefine age as he seems to get better with age. He has experience leading winning teams and has a history of being a successful starting quarterback in the NFL. This would be the perfect signing for the 49ers. Collins would be able to create a bridge between Alex Smith and the ultra raw, Colin Kaepernick; while competing holding down the backup QB duties.
If Smith falters, San Francisco would be in a position to put Collins in the starting lineup and the offense wouldn't lose a step. I think this is the type of player San Francisco needs to look at. The problem is that Tennessee is going to seriously consider retaining Collins to groom Jake Locker.
Bruce Gradkowski, Oakland Raiders
2010 Stats: 6 Games, 4 Starts, 52.9 Completion %, 1059 Yards, 5 TD, 7 INT
Analysis: Gradkowski doesn't have the greatest arm in the world, but he makes for the perfect backup. He doesn't do anything great, but works the pocket extremely well and is very agile. This is the type of career backup you want on your team. Someone that can come in and provide a boost if the starter goes down. I think San Francisco will take a look at Gradkowski this off-season.
Rex Grossman, Washington Redskins
2010 Stats: 4 Games, 3 Starts, 55.6 Completion %, 884 Yards, 7 TD, 4 INT
Analysis: When is the Rex experiment going to end in the NFL. Shanahan decided to give the former 1st round pick another shot towards the end of the 2010 regular season, and they are looking at retaining his services to compete for the starting spot in 2011. Although Grossman played decently down the stretch, he is NOT a starting quarterback in the NFL. Grossman wouldn't be my first option, but San Francisco may consider him a solid back up option; which is all he will ever be.
Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle Seahawks
2010 Stats: 14 Games, 14 Starts, 3001 Yards, 12 TD, 17 INT
Analysis: A couple months ago it was reported that the 49ers would be interested in Hasselbeck. Now, it appears the long time Seahawk quarterback will return to the Pacific Northwest in 2011. I do think that Hasselbeck would have been a nice stopgap if the 49ers decided not to retain Alex Smith. But, with Smith on board we got the best of the deal over Seattle. Just look at the 2010 stats and you will know what I am talking about.
Tarvaris Jackson, Minnesota Vikings
2010 Stats: 3 Games, 1 Start, 341 Yards, 3 TD, 4 INT
Analysis: Jackson is not an accurate quarterback and it doesn't appear that he will ever be. What Jackson does bring is athletic ability and a strong arm. I think that his skills could be utilized well as a backup quarterback that could play in various formations.
Of course, the 49ers have the more talented CK7 on their roster, and he is the player I would rather see in such formations in 2011.
Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers
2010 Stats: 6 Games, 5 Starts, 55.2 Completion %, 857 Yards, 5 TD, 10 INT
Analysis: Moore had a breakout season in 2009, but fell back to earth last season. Some "cellar dwelling" franchise may decide to bring Moore in as a starting quarterback in 2011, but that won't be the 49ers. Instead, I could easily see us attempting to sign him as a back up.
Rookie Free Agents
Pat Devlin, Delaware
2010 Stats: 68.0 Completion %, 3032 Yards, 22 TD, 3 INT
Analysis: Devlin was one of the most mechanically sound quarterbacks of the entire 2010 draft class. The issue with the former Delaware signal caller is that he played at a small school and doesn't possess the arm strength that many others in the draft did.
That said, it is extremely surprising that other quarterbacks, names not to be mentioned, were drafted and Devlin never had his name called. I wouldn't have a problem with San Francisco signing Devlin as a competitor during training camp and hiding him on their practice squad in 2011.
Franchise Tag
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts
2010 Stats: 16 Stats, 66.3 Completion %, 4700 Yards, 33 TD, 17 INT
Analysis: Do any of us really think that Manning is going anywhere? Well, if you do can I have a little of what your smoking. One of the most successful quarterbacks in modern NFL history, Manning is the heart and soul of an Indianapolis Colts franchise that contends on an annual basis. Even if Manning wasn't given the price heavy franchise tag, he would have re-signed with the Colts this off-season.
Michael Vick, Philadelphia Eagles
2010 Stats: 12 Games, 11 Starts, 62.6 Completion %, 3018 Yards, 21 TD, 6 INT 676 Rush Yards, 9 TD
Analysis: All that Vick's success did in 2010 was reinforce the notion that he was one of the best quarterbacks in the league. No matter your opinion of his off the field issues, this dude is extremely talented.
That said, there is absolutely no way that Vick leave the Eagles this off-season. First, they gave him a franchise tender which means it would cost two 1st round picks to obtain him. Secondly, he seems incredibly happy in Philadelphia, and isn't looking for a change of scenery at this point in his career.
Restricted Free Agents
Dennis Dixon, Pittsburgh Steelers
Contract Situation: Given original round (5th) by the Steelers, which means Pittsburgh will be compensated with a 5th round selection if he signs elsewhere.
2010 Stats: 2 Games, 2 Starts, 68.8 Completion %, 254 Yards 0 TD, 1 INT
Analysis: 5th round pick for a player that has shown tremendous upside in the NFL? I wouldn't mind San Francisco possibly picking up Dixon. First, Dixon has proven he can play as a spot starter as pro. Secondly, he has the talent to transition to a more important role in the offense. This is a type of risk that defines organizations. You can either sit idly by while your opponents pick up these type of players, or you can be ahead of the ball and acquire him yourself.
Now, I understand that many will question that previous statement. But, I rally do think that Dixon has incredible value as a starting quarterback in the NFL. He has the arm strength and athleticism to succeed, and is pretty darn accurate as well. There isn't enough competition when it comes to the quarterback position in the NFL. Dixon could challenge Smith at some point in 2011, and take over if need be. Additionally, he would act like a bridge between Smith and the inexperience CK7. Is a 5th round pick too much to pay for that? Well, you can answer that yourself.
Contract Situation: Given a 7th round tender by the Chicago Bears and will be an restricted free agent.
2010 Stats: 2 Games, 0 Starts, 71.4 Completion %, 54 Yards, 0 TD, 0 INT
Analysis: Really no in-game experience at the NFL level except for a brief showing in the playoffs. However, scouts seem really intrigued by the notion of bringing Hanie in to compete for a starting job. Could it be an overreaction? Of course, but you are not really risking much with a 7th round tender.
This is another player that 49ers could take a look at, however, he doesn't have the playing experience the aforementioned Dennis Dixon has; so, I would be a little weary in getting an experience signal caller to sit between Smith and CK7.
Overview: I am not ready to see David Carr have the opportunity to play in any game for the 49ers this season. The guy is absolutely horrible at playing the quarterback position. I know that sounds a little harsh, but that is the skepticism you get when seeing a player butcher a certain position on the football field.
What does it all mean? Well, the 49ers desperately need to find themselves a veteran back up quarterback behind Alex Smith. There is a few different reasons as to why I come to this conclusion. First. Alex Smith hasn't given us much reason to be confident in his ability to lead a winning team. Secondly, CK7 just isn't ready to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. He was drafted for the future, and there is no reason to rush him into the lineup.
What are the options? You see the options above, and as you can see they are not that great. San Francisco could either venture into the unrestricted market and grab a proven signal caller like Kerry Collins, or they could go to the unproven quality with the likes of Dennis Dixon and Caleb Hanie.
I do understand that there remain trade targets out there at the quarterback position, and I will have a completely separate post in regards to possible trade targets for the 49ers at every position sometime in the near future.
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Matt Leinart…..still young and alot better than Carr. Leinart played a west coast type offence in college. Maybe not west coast in verbage, but WC in design. I don’t think he was given a fair shake last year in AZ. He was 70% in the preseason and Whiz cut him because Fitz was crying like a baby about him.
If Leinart was a Card last year, they would have made the playoffs.
As an unrestricted free agent, I wonder why he gets left off lists like this. Is it on purpose?
He doesn't exactly have the kind of personality Harbaugh goes for in my view.
I just get the sense that he feels entitled. He doesn’t relish competition.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jun 30, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Bruce Gradkowski you have to be kidding me.
The guy has 0 tangibles.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jun 30, 2011 10:25 AM PDT reply actions
Yes agreed. All he has are intangibles. I used to think he was ok but after watching him last year I see he has no arm, accuracy or timing
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jun 30, 2011 11:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Disagree
As mentioned above, he does nothing great, but IS extremely mobile, throws well on the run, gutsy as all hell, and his teammates love him; he makes people around him better. I watched him lead a 4th quarter comeback against the Steelers a couple seasons back, and came off impressed with the dude. Sort of like a fired-up version of Shaun Hill.
Solid backup, between him and Alex, should get CK ready to start his second season
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by lottwasgangsta on Jun 30, 2011 10:38 AM PDT reply actions
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I assume you’re talking about Bruce Gradkowski? Make sure to click the reply button in the future so it’s a bit more clear.
by David Fucillo on Jun 30, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup
Thanks for moderating. The love was for Bruce.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jun 30, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Why do we need a veteran backup?
Cut Carr and if Smith gets injured send in Kaep.
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
by manraj7 on Jun 30, 2011 10:40 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
insurance
what happens if Kaep gets injured or shows he isn’t ready? Then you end up like arizona. It’s safer to have a vet back-up who has a hope of salvaging the season.
We will be taking our lumps sooner or later when he enters the game
at least this way we get it early.
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
Bro , that's what happened to Alex , thrown in the fire and burn baby burn ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
To be fair though, Alex was thrown onto a horrible team,
where-as Kaepernick, if he were thrown in, would be entering a team that has a lot of good pieces in place.
"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer "extortion." The "X" makes it sound cool." - Bender Bending Rodriguez
Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?
Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
this
he wouldn’t have to do too much while Alex was forced to do everything
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
Yeah.
Besides, Kaepernick is wicked awesome. Check the signature, third phrase.
"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer "extortion." The "X" makes it sound cool." - Bender Bending Rodriguez
Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?
Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
its the truth
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
I get what you're saying...
But if we are looking at Kaep as our potential long-term guy, we a) want to start him off right, and b) that involves getting him a couple people he could learn from in the interrim.
Kaep has a lot more physical tools than Gradkowski, but BG somehow gets it done in the NFL. If he could pass some of that onto Colin (who by all accounts is a willing pupil), I think that might better prepare him for a successful career than getting thrown to the lions, a la Matt Stafford. (Seen what I did there?)
Also, depends on how our line is this year…if it’s as beastly as it could be, your strategy might be the better one
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by lottwasgangsta on Jun 30, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
genuinely funny
“thrown to the lions.” LOL!
by Nicholas Cannelora on Jun 30, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Dixon, on the other hand...
A lot of athleticism, but hasn’t played enough to know whether he’s not terribly accurate, or just has been nervous in the limited starts he has gotten.
On the plus side, Harbaugh seems to be good with QB’s, on the downside, Dixon has had Charlie Batch tutoring him for four years, and while he flashes potential, he’s still too much of an unknown quantity to seriously pursue. With as much stability as he has had around him, he hasn’t developed into someone the Niners should seriously pursue
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by lottwasgangsta on Jun 30, 2011 10:43 AM PDT reply actions
I'm not convinced on any of these guys really except Bulger
The guys a former pro bowl level QB and is probably finally healthy after being beaten up for his last few years in St. Louis. I’d take him or Collins and that’s about it. After them, just bring in Devlin or Froman
by 9thevolution on Jun 30, 2011 10:46 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I agree with you that Bulger...
has been impressive in the past. I just don’t think there’s a lot of tread left on the tires, and I’d bet solid money he’s mostly damaged goods.
I also think that Gradkowski could win games for us in spot duty…guy kinda reminds me of Jeff Garcia, and I think his passion for the game is obvious, and might bring out the best in our offense.
And, as reedkrase pointed out, BG wouldn’t have to move :)
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by lottwasgangsta on Jun 30, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Disagree on Bulger...
We’re talking about a back up role, not starter. Regardless of who it is under center, there’s going to be a heavy focus on the run game. With Bulger, I can at least see opening up the passing game a bit. Gradkowski is just not at all impressive for me at this point.
I fully believe that if Bulger was forced to come into a game, he would be able to keep us in position to win, while Gradkowski might let the game slip away. If there’s a longer term injury to Smith, I almost guarantee Kaepernick beats out whoever we get in the first week of practice.
by 9thevolution on Jun 30, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Have you seen Gradkowski play much?
I think you’re really underestimating the guy, but I guess that’s why we’re entitled to disagree.
When one of us gets the front office job for the Niners, we will see whose backup is superior :).
Kaep will be ready in a season, but not now.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jun 30, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Believe me, I was a fan when he came in as a rookie for TB...
I thought he could be a solid QB with some seasoning; however, he has not been very good. Statistically speaking, we are better off with a number of other options at QB.
As for Kaepernick needing a season, I think a lot of people are underestimating his desire and ability to play football. He may not be “ready,” but that doesn’t mean that he won’t be the best bet to go in, and I’m sure he can beat out a re-tread veteran QB who we bring in as a back up. Which essentially means we might as well keep Carr.
by 9thevolution on Jun 30, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Statistically speaking he has played on the Raiders
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
And he's not the only QB who played for piss poor teams
Hell, Grossman had better stats for a Redskins team that is pretty devoid of talent. The Raiders aren’t that bad.
I think the Niners are fine right now at QB.
From all account though, the team is going to persue UDFA QB Adam Froman whenever the lockout ends.
Also we don’t need a QB to “bridge between Smith and Kaep” because that is what Smith is already doing. He’s job description is keeping the seat warm until Kaepernick is ready to start, which probably won’t be till 2012. And if Smith does get injured or is really bad, I’d rather give Kaep the starts over an over-the-hill veteran who probably doesn’t give the team a better chance to win than Kaep.
In 2011, Smith will start until he’s injured or awful, Kaepernick will be the backup and will see some goal-line plays throughout the year, Carr will be the 3rd stringer only playing when Smith AND Kaepernick are unavailable. And Adam Froman will be placed on the practice squad to develop and making the roster in 2012 when both Smith and Carr will leave in Free Agency.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
And Harbamania. And the San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series season.
by Hoopers Judge on Jun 30, 2011 10:51 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I am with you on two out of three,,,,
But the only thing David Carr is going to win in the NFL is the pretty-boy contest. Other than that, I think almost anyone is better as our third QB, and I think Gradkowski is a LOT better.
The only thing Niners fans can agree on about Alex Smith is that he is better than David Carr.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jun 30, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
One thing you have to remember about Carr... is that he had no support here last year.
Coach Sing and his assistants didn’t know how to work with QBs.. so it is possible that Carr will be a better BU QB this year just from working with Harbaugh.
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"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
you have a point
the Carr that impressed in NY was nothing like the guy we saw here last year. there was definitely a lack of preparation when carr played in that carolina game.
i would bet harbaugh is going to have all of his guys prepared….for all games and all situations. and right now, carr has been working in the harbaugh offense through 2 alex camps.
however, it wouldn’t hurt to bring in a 4th guy for some extra camp competition. as long as the price is nice and low.
Get another rook
They don’t need a veteran backup. The 49ers are going to take their lumps this year anyway with learning a new offense and no practice time due to the lockout. May as well develop another young rookie.
My guy is Scott Tolzien. His only drawback is he doesn’t have a big arm for the sideline and deep throws. He’s the most accurate QB in the draft though and I think he’d be a solid QB2.
Devlin, Portis, and Froman are names that get thrown around too.
Actually, I am a bit more optimistic than that...
granted, I was last year too, and look how that panned out, but:
a) I think the players will perform better with a coach they respect more
b) I think Smith might be a little better than last year
c) I think we might actually get a bit of pass rush out of Aldon
d) we still employ Patrick Willis
I think we can win some games this year, build towards a solid future, and having Smith and two rookies screws us if Smith sucks/gets hurt. Plus, I think Gradkowski totally qualifies as a Harbaugh type of player, and could be the most effective QB on our roster THIS season
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by lottwasgangsta on Jun 30, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
6 and 9
I hope they do a lot better than this, but I predict 6 wins. If they had more of a chance to install the new offense and defense, I’d give them a better shot at wins in the first half of the season (like Seahawks, Cowboys, and Bucs) but with the lockout I believe they will suffer.
L – Seahawks (home)
L – Cowboys (home)
W – Bengals (away)
L – Eagles (away)
L – Bucs (home)
L – Lions (away)
W – Browns (home)
W – Redskins (away)
L – Giants (home)
W – Cards (home)
L – Ravens (away)
W – Rams (home)
W – Cards (away)
L – Steelers (home)
L – Seahawks (away)
L – Rams (away)
It seems like I am in the minority here
But, the 49ers need to get a proven back up QB once free agency starts. I really am not prepared to repeat the 2010 season where Smith may struggle and we have to either start David Carr or bring in an inexperience QB to play. That didn’t work too well.
The investment of bringing in the likes of Gradkowski or Collins far outweigh the risks. They are not going to be expensive and would fill in well if Smith falters or gets injured. Also, they wouldn’t block CK7 from coming in on certain situations. Also, I am not prepared to have a rookie start at QB and be rushed. It is an insurance policy in case something happens with Smith.
Listen, I want to make the playoffs in 2011; and I think we can. However, anything happens to Smith and we are screwed with Carr or a raw QB starting.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 12:21 PM PDT reply actions
Collins will demand high $$$
have you tried to buy a drink in SF? ain’t cheap.
Unless it;'s Vick
Unless it’s Vick, Smith can be as good as any other free agent QB on the list. I’m leaving Payton off because he probably doesn’t have that many good years left anyway and it would not be worth the investment.
You're kidding right???
Peyton Manning practically makes this team a SB contender on day 1. Our defense, special teams and running game is all better than Indy. Manning makes no name receivers look like stars, so I’d say getting Manning for 5 years would be worth a ridiculous investment.
by 9thevolution on Jun 30, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
truth
I would trade 2 firsts for Peyton. #dynasty
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
Thinkin ' you wouldn't say that if Sing was still the coach ...!!
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no, not kidding
yes, you might get 2 years but you’re also getting a 35 year old with a questionable neck and will have to pay him $100m over 5 years. You have a new QB, with new coaching, learning a new system, so I doubt you get to the SB in year 1 anyway. I’d only spend that money if I was a team that had already been to the playoffs last year. The 49ers couldn’t win a weak division and couldn’t get by the Panthers. I think that was mostly coaching too, but Manning is not the way I would want to build from here.
Manning has not missed a game in his career and takes less hits than anyone in the league
He will break Favre’s starting streak, meaning that you have 5 years of him playing without missing a game. Manning is also not Nate Davis, so you can take the “he has to learn a new playbook” idea and toss it out the window. He’s a first-ballot Hall of Famer, so I don’t see how you wouldn’t want him leading your team.
None of this matters because it won’t happen, but to say that Peyton Manning is not worth the investment it would take to bring him here for the next 5 years is absolutely ridiculous. You don’t even need an offensive coordinator if Manning is on your team because he can do it himself.
Trade a late round pick for Josh Johnson
Only person on that list worth getting is Marc Bulger. Under no situation should Carr be on the squad.
by asmithisaverage on Jun 30, 2011 12:28 PM PDT reply actions
Agreed
Johnson has untapped potential, and is a product of the harbaugh qb factory. He’s everything CK7 is, with NFL experience under his belt. If smith stinks it up, we have a viable option to play ahead of Kaep (not just to give Kaep time to develop, but also to keep the locker room morale up). If the vets feel that we’ve become a team in development, we’ll see many diva’s emerge asking for trades. Even if A Smith does well, he may still be supplanted by Johnson next year, while continuing to develop Kaep.
Well...someone had to say it.
by gorgeousb82 on Jun 30, 2011 4:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Johnson potential has been tapped , and it was Freeman whom was doing the tapping and said take a sit bro ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Agreed
Johnson has untapped potential, and is a product of the harbaugh qb factory. He’s everything CK7 is, with NFL experience under his belt. If smith stinks it up, we have a viable option to play ahead of Kaep (not just to give Kaep time to develop, but also to keep the locker room morale up). If the vets feel that we’ve become a team in development, we’ll see many diva’s emerge asking for trades. Even if A Smith does well, he may still be supplanted by Johnson next year, while continuing to develop Kaep.
Well...someone had to say it.
by gorgeousb82 on Jun 30, 2011 4:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Who cares about 3rd string QB's?
It’s going to be Alex Smith and if that doesn’t work out it’s going to be Colin Kaepernick despite the fans that don’t want him to play year one.
Not everyone is like Alex Smith. Some quarterbacks actually are able to do quite well in the rookie seasons contrary to popular belief.
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CK7
shouldn’t be a back up in 2011, he should be the 3rd stringer. So, it is extremely important that the 49ers get a player that can step in for Smith immediately if something happens.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't really see why either...
NFL is a results NOW league. Somehow I doubt Kaepernick is going to be on the bench if Smith is hurt, regardless of getting another veteran. Various rookies come into the NFL from a spread-type system and produce results quickly.
Besides, we actually have a coaching staff that knows what they’re doing for a change. I’m pretty sure we can safely put Kaepernick into the game full time and not see anything horrific happen.
by 9thevolution on Jun 30, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Hate to burst your bubble there but he's not going to be 3rd string, he's just not.
So it doesn’t matter what ‘should’ or ’shouldn’t’ happen. There is a reality and reality is that he’s going to be 2nd string…at the very least.
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The 49ers were trying to move up in to the back end of the 1st Round to get him.
You don’t do that and then place him as your 3rd stringer. That’s honestly silly to think that he would be considered as a 3rd stringer, rookie or not.
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Rookie QB is a different type of 2nd string
Rookie QBs rarely do well, outside of Dan Marino and Greg Cook even the best rookie QBs post ratings in the 70s and rarely have winning records. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=list/rookieqbs
A good back up should be able to post a QB rating in the low 80s, and some QBs are able to post higher ratings until other teams figure them out, like troy smith.
A good 3rd/2nd string vet is important to take the pressure of Kaep. If Alex goes down in week one and Kaep hasn’t shown himself to be ready, you can put the vet QB in until it’s worth taking the risk with Kaep.
Matt Ryan
Peyton Manning
Joe Flacco
Josh Freeman
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Sam Bradford
Ben Roethlisberger
etc…
Nobody knew if they would be good but they all started Week 1 as rookies. It CAN be done, and it CAN be done successfully. I don’t think 3rd string quarterbacks matter. How often do they get in the game. I just see this entire conversation as pointless.
It’s going to be:
1. Smith
2. Kaepernick
3. Carr
That’s it. Period. Case closed. Unless of course Kaepernick smokes Smith in competition and takes the starting position before week 1.
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Why would Carr be the third string?
Might as well get a young guy in there that can pay dividends later on by trading for draft picks, like a Kolb or Whitehurst. We have guys that have the ability of finding and developing talent in QBs. It makes sense to have a farm system of QBs rather than having Carr on the bench wasting time and space.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jun 30, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
You lost me at Whitehurst... Kolb isn't coming to SF.
But if you meant bringing in an undrafted free agent then I can maybe see your point.
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lol I don't want Whitehurst or Kolb on the 49ers.
I mean Whitehurst was drafted by the Chargers and then they traded him for a second round pick seasons later, and it will be the same deal with Kolb. This new staff should build a farm system of QBs that they will develop and they will have greater value a few years later, as opposed to having a deadweight QB on the roster (Carr) with no current or future value.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jun 30, 2011 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
an UDFA that is trained and shows promise can not only give us future draft picks but will also be cheaper on the payroll. UDFA> CARR
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Forget the QBs..i really want to see Alex Smith play at least ONE full season..
Qbs tend to have ups and downs and if Alex is struggling let him struggle, he gets more experience as a starter and well..we get a high first round pick..feeling Lucky anybody?
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Forgetting
about his injury history. Not to drum it home, but I am not satisfied with CK7’s inexperience or Carr inability to play the position.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to be rude...
But what makes you think for a second that we would take Luck after getting Kaepernick this year? Harbaugh has taken his QB of the future and it is not Luck. Harbaugh will never coach Luck again in his career; bet on it.
by 9thevolution on Jun 30, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Harbaugh made Luck, not the other way around.
Pretty sure he has the potential to do the same with Colin.
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No we wouldn't
unless CK7 proves that he is a re-invention of Jimmy Clausen, which he won’t. There are too many solid players at other positions towards the top of the 2012 draft for the 49ers to consider Luck.
CK7 is our future quarterback and that is pretty obvious. If Harbaugh was holding out hope of drafting Luck in 2012 the 49ers would have bypassed on CK7 and not wasted a 2nd and 4th on his services.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
disagree
if we end up picking first, it will mean that:
a) Alex has tanked – and is thus out of the door
b) CK has had some game time – and probably not been too hot. this would create an element of doubt over his future prospect – and Luck is an absolute stud QB – impossible to pass him up.
I think there is a danger that we get attached to the image of CK as being a great prospect – when in reality not many were plumping for him before the draft and the figures are not great reading in terms of second round hit rates on QBs
Sorry but this is laughable....
Do you really beleive that Luck is going to be the #1 QB in a year? I’ll bet money that he is #3 at best; and that is just QBs, it doesn’t include the players at other positions that will be ranked higher. Barkley and Jones will both be ranked higher come April next year.
I really, really doubt our brand new GM is going to give up on his first QB draft pick after one year. Even if we tank and CK isn’t that good as a rookie, Jed and Trent are going to tell Harbaugh to suck it up and make him a better QB.
I really, really doubt our brand new GM is going to give up on his first QB draft pick after one year.
Good point. They haven’t given up on the one we picked in 2005 yet either.
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Why are we looking for a "back up"
Lets get the best QB available and then as the coach said throw the balls out on the field and let them all fight it out and start the best one, we could go into the season with Smith as backup. CK7 has more time in preparing for next season !! What about Palmer ?
Voted Other since Kaepernick will be backing up Smith.
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by Drew Kerr on Jun 30, 2011 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Not sold on that idea
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter if you're sold or not...that's the reality of it.
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I take that back...
the other reality is that Kaep could smoke Smith and be the starter heading in to week 1.
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We're talking about Colin Kaepernick (2nd nearly 1st Round selection), not Nate (5th Round) 'not going to be in the league anymore' Davis
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We're talking about the 6th QB taken in the draft
passed on in the first round by the team that picked him up. He’s not someone you can bank on starting or even being a solid backup early in the season.
Yes. He. Is... but you're entitled to your opinion.
You won’t convince me otherwise and I think you are in a very small majority that thinks that he is not capable.
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I agree.. He is the QB that Harbaugh wanted
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Let's completely ignore that Harbaugh has good instinct in his player evals...
Let’s completely ignore that there would’ve been no Andrew Luck, Toby Gerhart, Shane Skov without Harbaugh.
Let’s completely ignore that out of any other quarterback in last year’s draft, that Kaepernick was the only one that the 49ers (and Harbaugh) wanted to move up to get.
Let’s just completely ignore all of it and say Kaep is a ‘developmental’ quarterback. Aren’t all quarterbacks by the way? Saying that he is not pro-ready is just being naive and closed-minded.
He may or may not start. He may win the starting job. He may ride the pine for a year. But one thing that I find really humorous is how ANYONE could possibly think he belongs 3rd on the depth chart (or that he actually will be) when the 49ers were going to chose him in the 1st over any other QB in the draft.
They could’ve moved up to get Gabbert, Locker, Dalton, etc… but they didn’t. They targeted Kaep and got him.
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by Drew Kerr on Jun 30, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
But look at those 6
Is there a single one of them that you would have taken instead of Kaepernick?
Newton — Ran the ball 50% of the time and had a one key offense. Doubt he’ll ever be able to make pro reads.
Gabbert — Dink and dunker who performed closer to Robert Griffin than Landry Jones.
Ponder — Has linguini for an arm thanks to a botched medical diagnosis. No telling if he’ll ever be the QB he was before the injury, and even that wasn’t spectacular.
Locker — Pig in a poke. Spent 4 years running for his life. No idea what you are getting.
Dalton — Only one close, but was propped up by a defense that was #1 in scoring defense, #1 against the pass, and #5 against the run.
Kap is and was a better prospect than the lot of them… but when you play for Nevada you don’t get the hype.
I’m not saying he’ll be ready to start, but the reasoning of “6th QB taken” in this overhyped class is very poor.
I like it
cut Carr and save that money
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Kaep backs up Smith
1. Smith
2. Kaep
3. No one
Free up about 3m in cap space.
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Ok I lied it will free up 2.375m
$1m dead money hit due to signing bonus
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No way
the 49ers need to have three capable quarterbacks on the roster. Unless, you have a starting quarterback that isn’t injury prone and plays every snap.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
They need to have it?
There is a rule that says we need three QBs? Economically if we keep 3 QBs we should keep Carr. Unless you can find a QB that would play for like than 2m.
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less than*
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They will have 4 QB's in camp but more than likely it will be a UDFA that competes with Carr.
If Carr gets beat out, it’s not going to be by Gradowski or Kerry Collins or any FA unless they’re willing to sign for league minimum.
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I hope the UDFA wins
then we can cut Carr. If he gets signed for around 408k than we will still free up about 2m in cap space.
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Yeah, that’s Trent Baalke’s job with consultation from Harbaugh… I’d rather not think about it and give myself a headache.
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That 2m can do a lot for us
1.67% of our cap space is reserved for a guy that may never touch the field. In fact he may never see an active roster.
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Dang , your getting kinda tight with Uncle Jed's money aren't you ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
its not the amount of money we're spending its how we spend it.
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we don't need 3 people
what are the odds that two QBs will injured in 1 game?
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It's happened before... wasn't Caleb Hanie the 3rd stringer for the Bears?
He had to play in a playoff game.
Like I said, if there is someone else that can play QB at the NFL level that happens to line up at RB or WR or something like that, then it’s okay. Otherwise, it’s probably not the best idea to carry only 2.
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Crabtree played QB in highschool does that count?
Also other than that game when else did it happen? I just don’t want to waste cap space that we can use to sign players that I want. Does it have to be a vet or can we have two rookie QBs?
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Well , what about Baas , i've seen him hike about 49 yds over Alex's head ,that has to count for something ...!!
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Thinkin you can hike a pass ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Well if we drafted Mallett he could never hike it over his head.
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I thought he was like 6'8
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oh so 2 inches
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How tall is Mallett 6' 10" ...!!
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He'd have to be 7'10" at least to catch shotgun snaps from Baas
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This is true , he only missed the uprights by a few inch's ...!!
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He should have mooned the defense.
…and sent a Hail Mary to the end zone between his legs.
To start the season Hanie was a 3rd stringer....
Then they sent out their 2nd stringer against the Giants and he got injured about 3 plays later. In the playoffs, Martz decided it’s better not to trot out an over the hill QB against Clay Matthews.
Either way, I don’t support the 2 rostered QB route, regardless of whether or not the 3rd guy ever plays.
Hanie entered the NFC Championship Game as an emergency quarterback in the third quarter after starter Jay Cutler went to the locker room with a second degree sprain of his MCL and second-stringer Todd Collins left with a shoulder injury, leading the Bears to a touchdown in his first series on the field.
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Drew we know you have a man crush on CK7
LOL, I like him too. But, it is unreasonable to expect him to be anywhere near able to perform at the level that is needed as a rookie. That is putting your chips on a losing deck if you ask me. He will end up being a very solid quarterback in the NFL, it just won’t be in 2011.
We should release David “why am I a football player” Carr, and acquire a veteran to bridge between Smith and CK7.
Above you said “the reality of the situation”. Where did you read that? Has Harbaugh said CK7 will be the primary backup to Smith? I don’t think so. He said that there will be a nice level of competition in training camp. Would you want him to say anything else?
It doesn’t matter who is going to be the best quarterback out of this class in 2011. Harbaugh was looking to the future, not 2011, when drafting CK7.
I am not prepared to make the same mistake we made with Smith in rushing a QB to the starting position.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
But, it is unreasonable to expect him to be anywhere near able to perform at the level that is needed as a rookie
Says who? You? From Harbaugh’s interview on the 32 in 32, it doesn’t sound like he is negating the possibility.
Where did you read that? Has Harbaugh said CK7 will be the primary backup to Smith?
It’s pretty much simple math and common sense.
I am not prepared to make the same mistake we made with Smith in rushing a QB to the starting position.
Well you don’t get a say-so as a fan… thank God. And guess what? Not every quarterback is going to have the same results as Alex Smith. Hopefully Harbaugh will stick around for a few seasons. At least I’d like to hope so.
I’m not going to argue the point anymore… I just think that it’s pretty ridiculous to assume that the 36th overall pick is going to be 3rd on any depth chart. They wanted him in the 1st round… is it that hard to comprehend that?
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32 in 32 Video
He goes on to say that he hopes Smith will ‘compete’ for the starting job thereafter talking Kaepernick up. Sounds like Kaep’s got a chance to start if he does well enough.
That 3rd string crap is just nuts though.
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That is your opinion Drew, nothing more, nothing less.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
That 3rd string crap is just nuts though.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
A crystal ball?
For someone to say that it is nuts to assume that an unproven quarterback will not be the primary quarterback to another unproven quarterback is nuts in my opinion.
Do you want to win the NFC West this season? If so, we need to have someone that has performed at an NFL level backing Smith up.
To me, it is that simple.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Go find me a few quarterbacks that have been drafted top 40
that have been 3rd stringers and I will go find a crapload more in the top 40 that have been 2nd stringers, at the least… then we’ll talk.
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Let me rephrase
a 3rd stringer the year after he was drafted in the top 40.
I don’t think you realize how unrealistic you sound when you say he will be 3rd string.
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When was the last time
we had a pro-longed NFL lockout that disabled a rookies ability to take part in mini-camps and OTA’s?
Please, answer that one for me Drew. This situation is completely different.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Every 49er is in the same boat with that one pal.
They all have to learn a new system, a new playbook, and their coaches tendencies.
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And
It is no different of a curve for a rookie than a veteran? Are you serious with that? Of course, the curve is going to be greater for any rookie.
How many different playbooks has CK7 needed to learn since Pop Warner? How many has Smith needed to learn over the last five seasons? There is the difference!!!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not the deciding factor.
The deciding factor is who does what on the field.
If Kaep is a complete idiot like Nate Davis was (which we all know he is not) then I think he will be just fine in learning the playbook.
Andrew Luck did it at Stanford as a freshman, what makes you so sure that Kaep couldn’t in his NFL ‘freshman’ year?
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Actually Luck RS
also Kaep only has a 40 something on his wonderlic he could’ve done better.
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its not perfect
its like getting a 2200 on the SAT sure its good but you can do better. Tell me when he gets a perfect.
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I'm serial btw
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lol
but seriously he did fine but could’ve done better
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don't take me out of context
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horrible drew horrible
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well...
I think that last comparison is kind of weak, but if you want to go there:
Luck sat out his first year and won the starting job as a redshirt freshman.
by David Fucillo on Jun 30, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
comparison
Just a hard comparison of the top to bottom defensive talent level in college football and the top to bottom defensive talent level in the NFL. It’s a cute turn of phrase but that’s, all in my opinion.
by David Fucillo on Jun 30, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
But we are solely talking about 'learning a playbook'
Not playing on the field. If you are speaking in terms of ‘learning on the field’ then you may have a point there.
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learning playbook
Gotcha. I lost track of where this conversation was going a while back so I’m just going to step back from it. Got really involved really quickly.
by David Fucillo on Jun 30, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
But still, even if both have learned the playbook top to bottom, there’s no guarantee that Smith would be better than Kaepernick from the get-go because he has ‘NFL experience’.
I can’t validate that statement either. You got a guy like Sam Bradford versus Brodie Croyle, you can’t exactly say that Croyle would be better or have an advantage because he has been in the NFL longer.
It’s really a case by case situation.
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Ya Harbaugh has never said that Smith gets the job
Its always been a comp.
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From my original post
First. Alex Smith hasn’t given us much reason to be confident in his ability to lead a winning team. Secondly, CK7 just isn’t ready to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. He was drafted for the future, and there is no reason to rush him into the lineup.
3rd string? Competition man.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
This is pointless… you believe one of those guys on your list is going to be brought in and that is not Harbaugh’s line of thinking. He has clearly stated that he thinks Alex Smith can be a winning QB in the league several times and drafted Kaepernick (who they feel was a steal at 36)…. but you are saying if you were him (which you are clearly not) would bring in someone else to contradict everything you have stated in this offseason.
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Seriously?
As of right now the ONLY options Harbaugh has is Smith, CK7 and Carr because of the lockout.
Do you expect him to say anything else?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, seriously. Drop dead serious as dick cancer serious.
Have you not been paying attention the the things that Harbaugh has been boldly stating to the world?
Smith is not an option to Harbaugh… he is a free agent. He’s not said one thing about Carr. So actually, in reality he only has Kaep and Carr.
He didn’t go out and start saying the things he said about Alex (which was illegal, btw) about Kerry Collins, Gradowski, Dixon, or any of those other guys you have up there on your list.
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Really
you are going to play this card?
Smith is not an option to Harbaugh… he is a free agent.
Have you not been paying attention to “Camp Alex”. Of course, he is an option. If he isn’t, than the 49ers have more problems than we can address on this site. Handing the playbook over to a quarterback that isn’t an option and may go somewhere else= Insanity
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh boy... you missed the ship.
Point is that he could have stated the things he stated about ANY OTHER GUY you have on your list there but he didn’t….he said those things about Smith.
Get it that time?
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Why would he?
Smith was the only sure bet to be on the 49ers in 2011?
Why undermine the likely starter for your team?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure bet?
Do you remember Alex’s comments proceeding last years season?
More importantly, nobody thought he would be back pre-Harbaugh. It wasn’t until Harbaugh that anyone thought Alex would be back. Harbaugh violated the rules…. he was not “likely” until the lockout and he wasn’t “likely” before Harbaugh adopted him… illegally.
If he was going to go out there in the media and say anything about any free agent, why did he chose Smith?
In any case, there was nothing “likely” and still isn’t about Smith starting. We haven’t even got to the preseason yet. The coaches haven’t even seen what they have to work with yet. Alex is not signed to a deal yet. Yet… you are already stating that the Niners need to bring in a free agent or a veteran via trade to compete for the starting job?
That…. is… not …. a…… REALITY.
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That is my opinion.
Of course it IS NOT A Reality.
Drew, I respect you as a writer, so I am going to stop this right here and play moderator for our little contest here.
I hope you are right and look forward to see it playing out once the preseason starts.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Your not going to argue the point anymore, but you just did
It isn’t common sense to believe that CK7 will be the primary backup to Alex Smith. I understand that Harbaugh isn’t negating the situation, but it is safe to assume he is keeping all options open.
Well you don’t get a say-so as a fan
Maybe I should restate that. If I am Harbaugh, I am not ready to make the same mistake that was made with Alex Smith. Are you disputing the fact that rushing Smith (who was the #1 overall pick) wasn’t a mistake?
I have no doubt that CK7 is going to be a capable quarterback in the NFL, but it won’t be in 2011. The lockout, the issues with scheme and playbook and the fact that he is still raw leads me to that conclusion.
I’m not going to argue the point anymore… I just think that it’s pretty ridiculous to assume that the 36th overall pick is going to be 3rd on any depth chart.
First off, that is pretty much arguing your point after you said you weren’t. Secondly, that isn’t ridiculous at all. The 49ers need a proven player to take over in case Smith goes down. CK7 isn’t prepared to lead the offense at this point.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you disputing the fact that rushing Smith (who was the #1 overall pick) wasn’t a mistake?
Nope. But consider the factors and add some context to his situation. Totally different. Alex had nobody on that 2005 team to help him out. 2011 Niners have a pretty darn good supporting cast to help build a new QB’s confidence. Even Mike Lombardi said he would consider starting Kaep over Smith. He referenced the situation over in Tampa with Morris and Freeman. Personally, I think Kaep is better than Freeman right out of the gate.
Secondly, that isn’t ridiculous at all.
Yes it is and I can’t wait to reference this post come week 1.
The 49ers need a proven player to take over in case Smith goes down. CK7 isn’t prepared to lead the offense at this point.
Without seeing him take one snap in the NFL… good call.
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Are you looking to win the division?
Dude played at Nevada last season, he has not had the benefit of a OTA"s, mini-camps, speaking with coaches etc….
Is “Camp Alex” enough of an off-season program for you to assume that he is ready to play in a moments notice?
Without seeing him take one snap in the NFL… good call.
He hasn’t taken a snap in the NFL, that is my precise point. Geez!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude played at Nevada last season, he has not had the benefit of a OTA"s, mini-camps, speaking with coaches etc…
Alex Smith has a new playbook to learn…again.
Colin Kaepernick has a new playbook to learn.
Colin Kaepernick did quite well against high ranked teams and led his team to be ranked #15 in the nation for the very first time. He broke not one, but two D1 records… sure sounds like a guy not ready to start to me (/sarcasm)
He hasn’t taken a snap in the NFL, that is my precise point. Geez!
Neither did Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Matt Freeman, Mark Sanchez, Sam Bradford, etc… Geez!!!
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Josh Freeman, Not Matt
And, they all head a full off-season to prepare.
Alex Smith has a new playbook to learn…again.
Colin Kaepernick has a new playbook to learn
So your attempting to compare the two learning curves? That is madness
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
So your attempting to compare the two learning curves? That is madness
I don’t get what you are saying here… Are you saying that because Smith has been in the NFL he will be able to absorb the new playbook better than Kaep?
If so, I would say that is madness.
I’d also elaborate as to say there is no way to tell that. The results on the field are what is going to matter. Whoever can execute them better on the field is what will speak miles ahead of anything else.
Alex Smith is no further ahead than Kaepernick. They both have playbooks and I am sure they both are studying their butts off. When they get on the field, whoever produces better is going to be the guy.
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It seems like you are taking this as a personal attack against CK7
which it isn’t. I was and am extremely excited that the 49ers were able to acquire his services in the draft. I love his potential and the talent he has.
However, I am not on the same page as you in regards to his readiness to play the game.
I honestly hope that I am wrong in regards to this; nothing would make me more happy.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not personal...
It’s just that you are not thinking clearly if you honestly believe anything you stated in your article above.
I couldn’t care less about who starts between Kaep and Smith. I just think it is absurd to think that a 36th overall selection is going to be drafted that high and stuck at 3rd on the depth chart. It’s just not reality.
All I care about is the 49ers winning games and if it’s Kaep, then it is, if it’s Smith then it’s Smith… either way, it will be one of those two in 2011. That’s it.
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Did you read the article?
That optimism starts with Jim Harbaugh’s ability to develop quarterbacks, which could help Smith moving forward. It continues with the selection of the talented Colin Kaepernick in the 2nd round of April’s draft.
Secondly, CK7 just isn’t ready to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. He was drafted for the future, and there is no reason to rush him into the lineup.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Did I Say
in certain terms that CK7 would be the 3rd string quarterback? No.
I stated my lack of confidence in him being the primary back up to Alex Smith.
I really don’t see the issue with that point of view Drew. I am looking for the 49ers to win the division and their best bet is to find a PROVEN backup to sit between Smith and CK7.
Now, CK7 can prove me wrong during training camp, and I would absolutely love that. Some of these veterans won’t be signed until the preseason begins, so their is a window to evaluate CK7 in real game situations.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
in certain terms that CK7 would be the 3rd string quarterback? No.
Yes. You did right here…
Do you not see how contradicting you are?
Here lemme show you since you can’t see it even though you just posted it…
I stated my lack of confidence in him being the primary back up to Alex Smith.
But answer me this, have you seen either of them play in 2011?
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It’s pretty much simple math and common sense
I think you forgot to carry the one…
Well you don’t get a say as a fan…
Neither do you thank God but what does that matter for the purposes of this discussion. Fan’s can and should express their opinions.
Okay.
Opinion vs. Reality… you’re absolutely right. People can have an opinion no matter how far-fetched it is.
Hey guess what, I think Joe Montana should try and make a comeback because he would be able to lead this team to another SB. Ridiculous statement vs. reality.
See how that works?
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I am totally sure that you bothered to read the entire string of threaded comments too, right?
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No Question Kaep's #2
Why such a discussion? Any chance that he’s #3 would have to be based on the presumption that a proven vet’s coming in.
Not that I’m offering this as proof, just wanted to share the beauty of a kaepernick pass. It’s great to hear that he’s showing some nice stuff in AC2. Check the pass at the :33 mark. On target, spiralicious, and coated in hot sauce. He’s not dumb enough to be a nate davis, and he’s getting a great shot – being mentored and coached by Alex/Harb.
He’ll be fine.
That is my assumption
read the article please. My assumption is that we are going to bring in a proven quarterback to backup Alex., If not, I would rather have CK7 in the game than Carr; absolutely no question about that.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jun 30, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
makes sense
i didn’t gather your premise, exactly, from reading the post. but yea, there are some FA’s that come in as a number 2…and some (if not most) that aren’t likely to be a clear starter over Kaep/Carr. Most of the guys on this list don’t have enough ‘stuff’ to warrant a prohibitive stance towards Kaep.
Frankly, the niners are going to have to really dump some money into the QB sitch if Alex> Kaep> Carr is as unsavory as you assume. Carr proved to backup Manning with some decent results back in NY (under a competent staff). Most of the guys in this list aren’t much better than Carr. The ones that are will come way to pricey. I think their money is better spent elsewhere in this FA.
Kaep needs to see the field at some point, since he’s showing to have great tangibles- as a #3, he’ll probably not see the field. So, why put your investment out of the reach of proper evaluation? If he plays, and sucks, then you know that the QB position is one of need when you hit Draft/FA next season.
Which one of those guys would want to be a back up to Alex Smith?
I think that is the more important question here. I’d argue virtually none of the ones on that list above.
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all of them!
one of the better chances to start in the NFL. as nice as alex is, he’d probably buy a gift for the guy who unseats him…
As far as I know Kerry Collins could start in Tennessee where he is familiar with already. Why at his age would he come back up Alex Smith.
The question was back up Alex Smith. And why would any one take the chance of coming over when Harbaugh as talked up Smith as much as he has? Just don’t see it.
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And why would they do it...
When most of them want to start, and when most of them will be wanting much more than a 1 to 2 year contract.
Do you think the 49ers front office is going to be willing to pay out a fat contract to one of the aforementioned candidates?
Particularly knowing that they are going to have to pay Kaepernick and Smith decent money at the position to keep them? Financially it doesn’t make sense. Especially since it will free up more money to go out and splurge in free agency for positions at possibly cornerback, center, and some help in the front seven.
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Not a chance
Like you say, it not only doesn’t make any football sense, it doesn’t make any financial sense either.
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If Kaepernick has a strong training camp I think it’s entirely reasonable he ends up as the backup heading into 2011. I don’t know if that’ll happen and can’t say he will or won’t with any sort of confidence. But I definitely think it’s possible. Whatever happens I think the 49ers head into the season with some combination of Smith, Kaepernick and Carr on the roster. I think they’ll add an undrafted rookie QB (or maybe two) but I don’t think they bring in a veteran free agent.
So, in essence you are saying the best chance Kaepernick has is to be only the back up?
Or do you think it’s possible that he could start by week 1?
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Sure it’s possible. I was focusing more on the context of this particular post. I’ve said in other posts he could win the job. Not that I think it will necessarily happen. I honestly have no idea at this point and won’t until we get a look at him in a more structured environment at training camp. Given the fact that Smith has never been able to completely secure the starting job over six years, it’s possible CK could do enough to force himself into the starting lineup.
by David Fucillo on Jun 30, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
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