Ranking The NFC West: 49ers Comprise Half Of My List
Yesterday, the good folks at Turf Show Times, our resident St. Louis Rams blog, put together a post about the top ten players in the NFC West. This, of course, comes in the wake of Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. ranking the division and coming up with some questionable entrants. Williamson's top five included four 49ers players, and our own Tre9er had a post looking at the 49ers on the list specifically. There's also links to Williamson's six-through-ten and eleven-through-fifteen.
In short, the 49ers on the list included Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, Justin Smith, Aubrayo Franklin and Mike Iupati. The Rams fans over at TST gave the 49ers their due credit for the most part, and even populated them near the top of the list, giving them the credit we all know they deserve. I do agree with them that the Rams probably should have been better represented on the list, but their talk about James Laurinaitis is just crazy at this point. I recognize that he is a great linebacker, he's their Willis, but he's not Willis. They say that he will be on Willis' level soon, and while I obviously can't rule it out ... it's probably not going to happen.
There's no shame in being number two.
That being said, it got me thinking how I'd rank the players in the division if I was to do it. I'm not a big fan of lists when it comes to sports, but I figured I'd take a crack at it just this once. I was going to make a list of honorable mentions, but I've decided to not include them. If anybody wants to know my next five, I'd be happy to post them in the comments but I think ten is always a good list to make, fifteen just seems like a consolation. After the jump, I list them from ten on.
10. Mike Iupati - He's become the best guard in the division after just one season and has been pegged as a future Pro Bowler by ... just about everybody. Iupati is strong, intelligent and also strong. Did I mention strong? The only negative regarding Iupati is the fact that with the state of the 49ers offensive line, defenders key in on him and simply guess that the team is going to run the ball directly behind him. They usually do, and you know what? Iupati delivers regardless.
9. Steven Jackson - I'm of the opinion that this man doesn't get the props he deserves. While I feel like Jackson's merits as a running back do not far exceed those of Frank Gore, he is healthier more often, but he is slowing down. Jackson gets the nine spot, but a season ago he might have been top five or higher. Explosive, impossible to bring down and a penchant for punishing defenders everywhere, Jackson is a force to be reckoned with ... though for how long is anybody's guess.
8. Chris Long - When Long came into the league, he was next to useless and I figured he wasn't going to pan out into anything special. In his second season, he wasn't much better. But last year, he blew up and became a force to be reckoned with. Where I perceived him to be a little lazy and unassuming, he transformed into a guy who made me worry about [insert 49ers quarterback here]'s safety. His sack numbers might not ever be eye-popping, but his stoutness against the run and ability to move east and west make him an asset to the Rams, and a scary bookend to rookie Robert Quinn.
7. Darnell Dockett - A lot of 49ers fans may not like Dockett due to his propensity for obsessing with everything red and gold, but that doesn't detract from his ability as a player. What does detract from his ability as a player is Arizona's 3-4 defense, where he doesn't fit at all, but still manages to worry me every time he's on the field (read as: the entire game). Dockett would be much better in a 4-3, but I'm glad the Cardinals have yet to switch, because I don't want him to be as good as he can be. He's tough, hard-charging and extremely physical, a recipe for disaster to any offensive line. He's also the guy I see falling on top of Frank Gore behind the line of scrimmage every other play.
6. Aubrayo Franklin - We don't know if he'll be re-signed with the team, but I think smart money is that he will. We've got cap space and Vic Fangio needs a suitable nose tackle who's ready to play like ... yesterday. Franklin absolutely blew up in 2009 and was the best nose tackle in the league that year. He fought on every play, he got penetration and stopped the run, he earned the respect and public admiration from linebackers Patrick Willis and Takeo Spikes, and was generally just the guy you wanted in the middle of your line. Any present option in free agency or on the team is a clear step down from Franklin.
5. James Laurinaitis - Like I said earlier, he's their Willis. He's not Willis, though. Fortunately for Rams fans and Laurinaitis himself, you don't have to be Willis to be a great player of Pro Bowl caliber. That's just what he is, he does almost everything well out there and looks good doing it. He's the quarterback of their defense and leads by example. Shedding blockers and making fundamentally sound tackles are his stronger points, with a mention of his ability to take great angles to prevent big plays as well. I don't like him being trusted for too much coverage, but he's ever-improving in that regard and might climb a bit higher on this list with some more developmental time. He'll get a couple Pro Bowls under his belt before it's all said and done.
4. Justin Smith - Relentless, hard-working and brutal, Smith is a constant. He simply is. There's nothing you can do about it, there's nobody (other than Garth DeFelice) you can talk to and get him taken out. From the first defensive snap of the game to the last, Smith will be putting a hurting on offensive linemen, running backs and most deliciously, quarterbacks. He eats them for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I fear that if Smith ever saw Sam Bradford or any other NFC West quarterback in a grocery store, he'd flip out and sack him for a five-yard loss. His "On" switch is permanently stuck in position and he's the kind of player who will be good right up until the day he retires. Criminally underrated.
3. Vernon Davis - It's crazy how much a good portion of us wanted Davis gone after a couple seasons of mediocrity. A recent comparison would be Vernon Gholston, who is now (apparently) a lost cause, despite his freakish athleticism and adoration of pain. Davis wasn't much but a big play here and there and a lot of hot air to fill the gaps where more big plays should have been. His ability to separate with his athleticism was topped only by his ability to not catch a football when it was thrown perfectly to him. Something happened with Mike Singletary (yes, there are good things that came of Singletary's time in San Francisco) and Davis exploded onto the scene. He started working even harder than before (he was always a workout warrior) and spent as much time catching passes after practice as we heard guys like Jerry Rice and Isaac Bruce doing. Davis tied a tight end touchdown record and is a fantastic blocker to go along with it. He should be scary in the offense of Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman.
2. Larry Fitzgerald - It really feels like 1a and 1b with these two, they're both just so ... fantastic. The scary thing is, I don't consider Fitzgerald the best receiver in the league, but he's right there and is, at the very least, arguable in regards to that number one spot. While I personally have Andre Johnson above him, his hands and agility are the best out there. His ability to go up and make any catch is matched only by the raw power and physicality of Johnson. While the .gif image of Fitzgerald watching the Super Bowl get away from him remains one of my favorite things to watch to this day, I have to give the man my respect and major props.
1. Patrick Willis - The best linebacker in the league, let alone the best middle linebacker, Willis is so very fitting as Kenny Powers' Vice President of Carnage. He can cover any tight end in the league and hang with many receivers, I've seen him play both zone and man-to-man well, despite his size. His freakish athleticism is unmatched among middle linebackers and his strength and ferocity is among the best. Willis can cover, make any tackle, catch up to any running back, shed any blocker and pick off any quarterback. Patrick Willis is a weapon developed by the government to be awesome and make other players feel bad about themselves for not being Patrick Willis. You guys shouldn't worry about it, nobody but Patrick Willis is Patrick Willis.
So there you have it, folks. Numbers one-and-two are so close it hurt. I had Fitzgerald in first, and then I switched it to Willis, that's how close it is. There's a step down after those two, but it's definitely not a big one. For people who are wondering why Jackson is on the list and not Gore, that's just how it goes when you're hurt as much as Gore is. I think the two are comparable, and Gore certainly does some things better, but I feel like Jackson is the better player, if he's got anything left.
That all being said, I didn't notice until the end that there are no Seattle Seahawks on this list. I mean, I do think they're a good team and they won this sorry division last season, but I really don't see that being because of any one player, they really did their best to lose plenty of games like the rest of us. I would have to say that Brandon Mebane would be my highest rated Seahawks player, with guys like Lofa Tatupu and Chris Clemons being honorable mentions. I also think Mike Williams has the potential to continue to progress and be something special. So no offense Seahawks fans.
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I don't think jackson deserves to be on this list.
Especially if Frank Gore is not. Frank gore averages more YPC and Yards per Catch. I’m not sure about blocking but I’m sure you could find that on Football Outsiders.
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by manraj7 on Jul 11, 2011 8:38 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Although I personally think Steven Jackson will be a hall of famer when he retires and have been a huge fan over the years, but,
I entirely agree. Steven Jackson was horrible last season in comparison to his previous seasons. He averaged 3.8 ypc, and regularly failed to break tackles like he used to be able to. Didn’t show the initial burst he used to have, and has clearly slown down. Based on last season, Gore will imo have a greater contribution next season and should be ranked higher. I don’t have Jackson rated as a top 10 back in the league anymore either.
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Gore and Jackson have similar career stats they aren't making the HOF
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by manraj7 on Jul 11, 2011 9:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Good thing you switched Willis and Fitz , as there might of been an uprising of histaria through the masses ...!!
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The longest run of Steven Jacksons career is only 59 yards! I used to use that and a few other things as my argument for Frank being the better back. However, at this point it’s hard to argue because while I feel that Frank is potentially a lot better, his potentially will likely not be realized as he has such a hard time finishing up a year. It’s scary to think that he was close to his 5th straight 1,000 yard rushing season and would have probably ended up with 2,000+ all purpose yards…and in that case EVERYBODY would have been talking about him. He would probably have ended up with a really nice ranking on the players list of top 100. But he got injured and because of that his talent doesn’t mean nearly as much to the writers and industry gurus. So sad =/
It is unfortunate that Gore appears the be breaking down. I don’t think you can put him ahead of Jackson. Jackson just completed his 6th straight 1000+ season on mostly abysmal teams. Jackson’s best all purposed yardage season are 2334, 1738 & 1624 (2011) compared to Gore’s bests of 2180, 1538 and 1526. Jackson also has 5 less fumbles with more than 500 more touches.
Really surprises me to not see one Seahawk on the list.
They won the division last year.
I am pretty sure Lofa belongs in there somewhere…even if later on the list.
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No... he played all 16 last year. It was the year before that, that he missed like 11 games.
I would put him on there over Laurinaitis. He plays all over the field opposed to Laurinaitis playing mostly in the box.
Lofa is more like a poor man’s Patrick Willis and Laurinaitis is more like a poor man’s Brian Urlacher. I think if I was chosing between a healthy Tatupu and Laurinaitis, it’s an easy pick for me.
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Vernon Davis had a better year than Tony Gonzalez last year, and yet the latter made the Pro Bowl. Sorry, but those are one of the most useless things when describing talent. I think Laurinaitis is better than Lofa at this point.
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Not when one has been there and the other has not scratched the surface.
Not just any shmoe makes the pro bowl. Not saying that is what Laurinaitis is but Tatupu is bu far a better well rounded player. He does everything. Laurinaitis still has work to do to get to that level.
Of course that is just my personal perception.
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I don’t think Lofa is at that level anymore, that’s my point. Laurinaitis is better at this stage in the game and will continue to get better.
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More pass deflections, same amount of turnovers with less defensive help up front. I just got through watching that last game between the two teams on NFLN Replay this morning and Tatupu stood out way more than Laurinaitis. By A LOT.
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I cannot express how much I disagree with you. I wouldn’t change a thing on this list, the only person who stands a chance of not making it is, of course, number ten … and even then, Lofa wouldn’t be the guy. It’d be a Seahawk, Clemons, but not Lofa.
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Okay.
Noted. You think Lofa is not worthy even though he’s a 3x Pro Bowler. Got it.
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Noted. You think Lofa is not worthy even though he’s a 3x Pro Bowler. Got it.
Not sure what else to say after this:
I’m OK with that.
I like my list, as it happens
Is there a more appropriate way to respond? How would you have responded had the tables been turned? I am not being sarcastic; I’d seriously like to know because I don’t feel that I was at all out of line for my comment. I was simply restating how you apparently feel.
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Drew the conversation is over and I removed the posts criticizing your attitude.
I understand your stance and thoroughly disagree with it on all levels.
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Rather than discuss why you feel that Laurinaitis is better than Tatupu with specific examples?
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Yeah. I already said as much as I can or have time to right now.
But to recap …
I listed the things he does well, and I acknowledged that Lofa has been great. I also said I don’t think Lofa will regain his form and thought he had a bad year. That’s really all I have to offer on this at the moment. You’ll make a comment saying you disagree, he either never lost his form or he’ll get it back, and Laurinaitis himself had a down year. We said that already!
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Let me ask you this as a side note to the conversation...
What were your thoughts of Tatupu before his injury a year and a half ago?
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He was one of my favorite players in the NFC West.
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Do you think he did not play to form in the following games last year?
Week 1 – SF
Week 3 – SD
Week 8 – OAK
Week 9 – NYG
Week 12 – KC
Week 13 – CAR
Week 15 – ATL
Week 16 – TAM
Week 17 – STL
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I couldn’t tell you off the top of my head.
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I think Laurinaitis is great in the box.
He gets a boat load of tackles.
I just think Tatupu see’s the field better and therefore does a lot more in terms of being well-rounded. And that is the only difference I have.
I mean you cannot argue the pass deflections and Fumbles forced.
I don’t want to change your opinion. I am obviously not going to. But you cannot just dismiss me in a conversation when I am bringing legit points to the table.
Agian, I apologize if you think anywhere I was trying to be snarky because that wasn’t the case. I could have worded it differently quite possibly but you were basically being dismissive with point I was trying to bring up rather than contesting them with you own. I did read your analysis of him above, so don’t think I didn’t.
I just think there is room for Tatupu up there. Even if it meant moving the Niners rookie left guard to 11. He didn’t play perfect afterall. There were times in the pass game where he struggled significantly. I think he WILL be one of, if not the best guard in the NFL. But not yet.
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Drew I don’t ever mean to start garbage with you, I’ve just had my fill of snark for the time being and I didn’t want to get into a pissing contest. I can’t be positive that’s where it was going, and I’m sorry if I misjudged, but apparently I was far and away in the wrong, judging by the email telling me how irresponsible I am from Fooch.
Either way, I agree that there might be room for Lofa there. As it stands, it’s just one of those feelings … and like I did say, if anybody is in question, it’s Iupati at ten, and I admit that if I moved anyone, it would be ten. I still think it would be Mebane, but I’m not saying the Seahawks have this huge, awful roster … I’m sure you can find comments on here with me talking about Tatupu admirably before today.
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Alright James. That is a fair comment.
Moving forward, I just hope to not have ‘pissing contests’ with you in a difference of opinion. I am pretty sure both of us are more than capable of conversing productively about any given topic.
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If there was going to be another offensive linemen, it should have been Saffold, not Okung. The latter sucked last year.
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He wasn’t anything special last year.
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Clearly we were watching different players.
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I believe I addressed that they won this sorry division last year.
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Yes you did.
You also said that Mebane was the best player on that defense when he was banged up all year only had 31 tackles with one sack.
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Mebane is the best player on that defense. I don't expect Lofa to get back into things.
I expect Mebane too. And the bit up there where I said Clemons, I meant Mebane.
I would change nothing about this list and you’re not going much to convince me otherwise. My point about the Seahawks making it due to a team effort stands.
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Well
We are staring at opposite sides of a wall because you will do nothing to convince me that a two year guy is better than seasoned (Pro Bowl) vet. On the field Tatupu was in on nearly every play. Laurinaitis had issues in coverage against tight ends and others.
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I'm OK with that.
I like my list, as it happens.
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Laurinaitis
Just because it sounds like a disease and he is on the Rams.
So, stop the bickering James is right LOL
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 11, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
This is disgusting
If the team that won the division has no players on this list, and a team that went 6-10 had five. What the heck?
By the way, I completely agree with the list. But, kinda felt like throwing up in my mouth when I realized what the standings looked like last season.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 11, 2011 1:37 PM PDT reply actions
coaching
good coaching hides bad talent and bad coaching hides great talent.
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I know man. Still doesn’t make me feel any better. With this talent we should have owned the freaking division. It is still absolutely sickening to me.
The one positive is that we have a much improved coaching staff. Still, a little sick over the list
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 11, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
At the very least, we have more qualified coaching staff. In the same way that a promising rookie quarterback is more qualified than the certified bust. Hopefully they pan out.
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We have multiple
assistants that are more qualified than Singletary when he took over.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 11, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I know. Singletary wasn’t qualified at all.
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You add
a capable coaching staff to the most talented team in the division and that usually equals favorites. I know this has been an ongoing projection from major news outlets over the last four seasons or so.
However, there is a different aura about it. Wouldn’t you agree?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 11, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
There is, but who knows? We’re all quite a bit biased. Harbaugh is coming from the college ranks, which was the point of what I meant. Even then, he’s more qualified than Singletary … but you don’t have to be as bad as Singletary to squander a golden opportunity.
I do have faith, though.
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The thing with Harbaugh and other college coaches is that he didn't exactly come from a powerhouse team like Alabama.
Stanford sucked when he came in and he made it into what it is right now. I hope he works out for us and we can finally win the division.
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Agreed
I look back on last year, and I realize the pre-season optimism wasn’t unfounded. We had a strong roster, and were building on a prior year that seemed to be going only in the right direction. On a lot of fronts, the team underachieved badly last year. I am still, actually, a bit surprised by how poorly we performed.
One can argue we don’t have quality journeymen after our starters, but with that many stellar players, we at least should have been able to win our last two games, and make the playoff berth
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by lottwasgangsta on Jul 11, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Quick question is this just for the past year or for their entire career?
Well I made a list
10. Frank Gore
9. Rodger Saffold
8. Mike Iupati
7. Darnell Dockett
6. James Hall
5. Franklin
4. Vernon Davis
3. Justin Smith
2. Larry Fitzgerald
1. Patrick Willis
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In the now, definitely not career.
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Ahh ok
why didn’t James Hall not make the list?
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I'm actually wondering why he didn't make any list.
I always thought he was the better DE on the Rams but it seems that Long is getting more credit.
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Hall – 11.0 Sacks, 55 Tackles, 6 FF, 1 PD
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He's Howie Long's son?
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I had no idea.
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And you call yourself a sports junkie...
Tsk tsk. Hall and Long are both good players. That defense as a whole, actually, is going to be nasty this year.
I gotta throw this out there; Iupati. Like him. All the talent in the world. Huge and strong, even by the standards of the NFL. Plays too high. Still has some technique issues to work on.
I think he’ll have ’em fixed, and be the best guard in our division real soon, and likely the best one in the NFL not named Hutchinson or Evans in a year, but it might be a bit early to coronate him. Thoughts?
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by lottwasgangsta on Jul 11, 2011 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on last season alone and who I think will have the biggest impact on their team next season (if they remain on the team):
1) P Willis
2) Larry Fitzgerald
3) Justin Smith
4) Vernon Davis
5) Chris Long
6) Darnell Dockett
7) Brandon Mebane
8) Mike Iupati
9) Aubrayo Franklin
10) James Laurinatis
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs in 2012, hopefully! :)

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